Calzaghe and Kessler questions.

[Clearly Cool]

Haven't been around for ages so im a little behind on the discussions.

1. Out of all of Calzaghes opponents, who resembled Kessler the most (stylewise)? And how did Calzaghe beat them?

2. What do you think the best tactic is for beating Calzaghe? He has a very interesting style and it poses pretty interesting problems for his opponents.

3. Do you think that Kessler is a bit of an unknown quantity going into this fight? I've only really been following his career since Mundine fight, and he has always used the same style (coz it works).

Never really seen him (or Calzaghe for that matter) in much trouble and in fact neither are used to losing so could be interesting to see one (or both) of them dig deep.

Thanks to anyone who replies.

[China_hand_Joe]

Haven't been around for ages so im a little behind on the discussions.

1. Out of all of Calzaghes opponents, who resembled Kessler the most (stylewise)? And how did Calzaghe beat them? Mario Veit is arguably the closest thing Kessler Calzaghe has faced. A tall fighter with a solid jab and similar enough style to Kessler (quite upright). However Veit is slower than Mikkel, easier to hurt and generally inferior. Calzaghe TKO'd him in 1 and 6 rounds.

2. What do you think the best tactic is for beating Calzaghe? He has a very interesting style and it poses pretty interesting problems for his opponents. If you are going to beat Calzaghe, you are going to do it with the lead right. Reids used an aggressive lead right to great effect against Joe, Eubank landed a few nice ones in the 12th round against Joe, even Sakio Bika managed to land a few. The Bika and Reid fights are generally accepted as off days - but the slight weakness is there none-the-less. Reid and Eubanks have a superior lead right hand to Kessler who prefers the 1-2 left-right. His lead right isn't as sneaky as that of Eubank or as aggressive as that of Reid. Kessler's lead right simply won't be good enough is Calzaghe is focuses. Mikkel's best bet therefore might be to feint with his left a lot, but I'm not sure even then whether Mikkel with his fairly upright stance will be able to use the right to great effect against Calzaghe.

3. Do you think that Kessler is a bit of an unknown quantity going into this fight? I've only really been following his career since Mundine fight, and he has always used the same style (coz it works). He will be somewhat of an unknown quantity to any non-hardcore fans. No casual fans in Britain know anything about him. But I think most if not all of his fights have been televised - so there is no way he will be an unknown quanity to Enzo and Joe Calzaghe which is all that really matters.
Never really seen him (or Calzaghe for that matter) in much trouble and in fact neither are used to losing so could be interesting to see one (or both) of them dig deep. Nobody in boxing has a bigger heart than Joe Calzaghe once he is in the ring. Critics actually say his heart is too big for his own good, which they claimed would be his undoing when Lacy would bring him into a brawl. Watch the Mitchell fight where Calzaghe gets off the canvas to immediately knock down, then TKO his former world champion opponent. The Reid fight is another where Calzaghe shoed his heart, things not going entirely his way, taking some big shots but dug in and got the result out. Mikkels has never been in trouble so far as I know, but I seriously doubt his heart is weak anyway - his last fight where he couldn't KO his opponent showed some degree of toughess.

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[PrideOfWales]

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Some good answers there China_hand_Joe. It's generally accepted that this fight will reveal more about Kessler than Calzaghe. As you alluded to, Calzaghe's heart is tremendous once inside the ring - the problem has sometimes been getting him there. The Mitchell fight is probably my favourite Calzaghe fight for excitement because Joe was seriously in trouble. But the way he got up off the canvas was brilliant. If you've not seen this fight too cool, I suggest it's worth the effort of finding it somewhere on the internet.

[PeterNielsen70]

Some good answers there China_hand_Joe. It's generally accepted that this fight will reveal more about Kessler than Calzaghe. As you alluded to, Calzaghe's heart is tremendous once inside the ring - the problem has sometimes been getting him there. The Mitchell fight is probably my favourite Calzaghe fight for excitement because Joe was seriously in trouble. But the way he got up off the canvas was brilliant. If you've not seen this fight too cool, I suggest it's worth the effort of finding it somewhere on the internet.

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[rendog67]

china hand are you welsh yourself?

[haavard]

Gosh, look at the replays. 90 percent of Calzaghe's punches lands with him using the inside of the gloves!!!!!

I wonder why any referee have not EVER warned him about that.

But then again all of these fights have been in UK with WBO in charge. And you don't touch the hometown fighter in those kind of setups.

This will most likely be the biggest disadvantage for Mikkel Kessler.

PS: Also I don't like to see Calzaghe hit the opponents neck when clinching. He does it all the time. Just like Nigel Benn did against Gerald McClelland. And that almost killed McClelland.

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler's only real chances lie in either Calzaghe's reflexes having significantly fading or Calzaghe breaking both his hands early in the fight

[haavard]

You can still slap like Calzaghe does with broken hands.

So all in all, Kessler just have to keep the distance. If Calzaghe once again-again is allowed to throw these inside-of-the-glove punches, then Kessler should avoid being caught on the inside.

[Decebal]

Nobody in boxing has a bigger heart than Joe Calzaghe once he is in the ring. Critics actually say his heart is too big for his own good, which they claimed would be his undoing when Lacy would bring him into a brawl. Watch the Mitchell fight where Calzaghe gets off the canvas to immediately knock down, then TKO his former world champion opponent. The Reid fight is another where Calzaghe shoed his heart, things not going entirely his way, taking some big shots but dug in and got the result out. Mikkels has never been in trouble so far as I know, but I seriously doubt his heart is weak anyway - his last fight where he couldn't KO his opponent showed some degree of toughess.


How compliant of your keyboard to allow you to type "fullstops" for the longer posts! Oh, I forgot! You copied and pasted them, right?:yep

Good post BTW, CHJ!:)

[China_hand_Joe]

How compliant of your keyboard to allow you to type "fullstops" for the longer posts! Oh, I forgot! You copied and pasted them, right?:yepYes, I only had to copy and paste the fullstops, nothing else as I avoided the ened for paragraphing by answering within the quote box -fullstop- Usually I need to c&p paragraphing too -fullstop- However I did have to c&p the fullstops in the blue font, otherwise the writing kept switching back to white after each fullstop -fullstop-

[Decebal]

Yes, I only had to copy and paste the fullstops, nothing else as I avoided the ened for paragraphing by answering within the quote box -fullstop- Usually I need to c&p paragraphing too -fullstop- However I did have to c&p the fullstops in the blue font, otherwise the writing kept switching back to white after each fullstop -fullstop-

So why don't you start copying and pasting the "." from now on then? It takes as much effort as copy-pasting the "-fullstop-" and certainly less than writing " -fullstop-":hey ...you will only have to type out the "-question mark-" and "-exclamation-" mark! ...Glad to see that your "-comma-" key works!:yep

[China_hand_Joe]

So why don't you start copying and pasting the "." from now on then? It takes as much effort as copy-pasting the "-fullstop-" and certainly less than writing " -fullstop-":hey ...you will only have to type out the "-question mark-" and "-exclamation-" mark! ...Glad to see that your "-comma-" key works!:yepI currently have a URL copied and I have become so adept now at typing "-fullstop-" it it the quickest was to go about things -fullstop-

[Decebal]

I currently have a URL copied and I have become so adept now at typing "-fullstop-" it it the quickest was to go about things -fullstop-

:rofl

[PrideOfWales]

:rofl

That's a great picture of Joe in your avatar Decebal. Are you backing Joe now not Kessler -question mark-

[Decebal]

That's a great picture of Joe in your avatar Decebal. Are you backing Joe now not Kessler -question mark-

I was always 50/50 on both, in terms of which one I would back, perhaps just slightly favouring Kessler, who seemed a nicer guy! Also, I thought Kessler would win; now I don't anymore. Now, I am more impressed with JC as a man (morally) too, which is very important to me. So on the whole, I will be supporting JC, yes -exclamation mark-

[PrideOfWales]

-exclamation mark- is copyright C_h_J

I'm glad you're supporting Joe Calzaghe Decebal. Tell me, will you be attending the bout in person?

[Decebal]

-exclamation mark- is copyright C_h_J

I'm glad you're supporting Joe Calzaghe Decebal. Tell me, will you be attending the bout in person?

...Let him sue my ass - exclamation mark -:D

...if the price of tickets is still within my grasp by the time I put together the money, yes!:yep

[PrideOfWales]

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Thank you for the link PeterNielsen70, but it seems to be taking ages to load. Anyone else have this problem?

I can't believe all those fights have disappeared from youtube! What a crock of shit!

[PrideOfWales]

...Let him sue my ass!:D

...if the price of tickets is still within my grasp by the time I put together the money, yes - exclamation mark -:yep

I'll lend you a fiver, my wallet is brimming after a day at the nags yesterday!

[China_hand_Joe]

Amsterdam has brainwashed Decebal to his way of thinking -fullstop-

[Decebal]

I'll lend you a fiver, my wallet is brimming after a day at the nags yesterday!

:lol: very generous, but it's OK, I have the money; I just haven't bought the tickets yet!;)

[Decebal]

Amsterdam has brainwashed Decebal to his way of thinking -fullstop-

tis true; my brain is like putty under Amsterdam's Brancusi - like hands!

[China_hand_Joe]

tis true; my brain is like putty under Amsterdam's Brancusi - like hands!Partly because you are his alias -questionmark-

[Decebal]

Partly because you are his alias -questionmark-

Partly so, yes!:D He is the strong, intelligent, successful "act"; I am the Danny deVito "act", without the laughs.

[Smazz20]

I was always 50/50 on both, in terms of which one I would back, perhaps just slightly favouring Kessler, who seemed a nicer guy! Also, I thought Kessler would win; now I don't anymore. Now, I am more impressed with JC as a man (morally) too, which is very important to me. So on the whole, I will be supporting JC, yes -exclamation mark-

My god!! Your supposed to be a man of principles and as soon as Deram and Danepug trun their backs, you no longer support Kessler:nono

Muuauauhahah. Welcome to the dark side:!:

[Decebal]

My god!! Your supposed to be a man of principles and as soon as Deram and Danepug trun their backs, you no longer support Kessler:nono

Muuauauhahah. Welcome to the dark side:!:

If they bully me as much as Masterdam has, I might have to go back to supporting Kessler!:|

[China_hand_Joe]

Amsterdam is a manipulator of the highest order -fullstop-

[Smazz20]

If they bully me as much as Masterdam has, I might have to go back to supporting Kessler!:|

Poor man. If they keep it up, you'll be turn in two before Nov.3:lol:

Masterdam??:rofl

[Decebal]

Poor man. If they keep it up, you'll be turn in two before Nov.3:lol:

Masterdam??:rofl

It's a battle between good and evil allright! I just don't think my soul is worth all that hassle! Can't they flip a coin for it or something?:think

[Decebal]

Amsterdam is a manipulator of the highest order -fullstop-

Yes, and he does it whilst seemingly keeping his hands clean, too!:yep