Tonight confirms Pacman beat a 'Shot' Morales

[PowerPuncher]

Morales looked so much slower than the fighter I used to know. His snap in his punches was gone. His workrate was vastly diminished and he completely faded in the second half of the fight.

This to me confirms that Pac was able to beat Morales the second time because Morales had lost his stamina and sharpness and Pac was able to take advantage.

Shot is a too strong word but Morales has been fading fast probably since the third Barrera fight. His first win against Pacman was his last roll of the dice despite being a little faded. A year later against Raheem and in the Pacman rematch his legs and sharpness were diminished.

I had Morales beating Diaz by a round but in his prime he would have won every round against this C Class paper champ thats so easy to hit.

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[rendog67]

I think pac has a lot to do with the reason morales is now shot

[puga_ni_nana]

I think pac has a lot to do with the reason morales is now shot

:good

[doknochrisan]

I agree w/ you. Pac clipped Erik's wings in Fights 2 & 3. Barrera follows next.

True

[princedigital]

A shot Morales was no secret :)

[achillesthegreat]

PAC definitely beat a Morales on the slide but he did the only thing he could do and he beat him twice brutally.

[ChampionsForever]

Morales was past hes best in all 3 fights and Pac was and is in he's prime, an arguement can be made that Erik showed in their 1st fight that he could have beaten him prime for prime.

[Chert]

well, this "shot" morales should've won this fight and become a 4-division champ. it's those damn judges that should be shot.

[Smazz20]

Morales was on the slide before the first Pac fight. A bit like Jones and Tarver.

[PowerPuncher]

I agree w/ you. Pac clipped Erik's wings in Fights 2 & 3. Barrera follows next.

He couldnt clip his wings in Fight 1. But Morales wings were clipped against Raheem before Pac2! He'd visibly lost something. How exactly did Pac take away Morales handspeed and stamina? :huh

[Chert]

even when erik won the first fight w/ pac, he was never the same after that. erik made the mistake of going southpaw and trading w/ pac in that fateful 12th round where erik was visibly hurt, staggered and almost kd'd. erik probably absorbed too many powerful pac straight lefts to the head and body in that winning effort, particularly in the 12th and that told in his latter fights. i guess raheem was just the beneficiary of this.

[Shotgun]

The last time the "real" Morales showed up was the first Pacquaio fight. That was his last hurrah as an elite fighter

[PH|LLA]

Pacquiao also beat Morales cause he's a better fighter

[PacDbest]

It only confirms how Powerful Pac is!! Morales retired with only Pac was able to Knockdown & stopped him.

[Stinky gloves]

Morales was on the slide before the first Pac fight. A bit like Jones and Tarver.

Morals = Jones
PAC = Milk Dude Tarver

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jack]

It's kinda hard to figure out who is the better fighter in their prime. Morales beat Pacquiao clearly in their first fight, but he was faded. Pacquiao, however, was far too reliant on his left hand and may not have reached his technical peak yet. He is steadily getting better. Him beating Morales twice could be put down to Pac gettnig better and Morales getting worse.

Morales in his prime vs. Pacquiao now would be a very hard fight to pick. I don't think any of the three fights prove who would win, if both were at their best.

[johnco]

Morales was past hes best in all 3 fights and Pac was and is in he's prime, an arguement can be made that Erik showed in their 1st fight that he could have beaten him prime for prime.

this is a retard who has a pacman whooped your heroes ass syndrome :yep:yep

[KhanB]

Raheem gets no credit at all for beating Morales. Its like you guys are mad that Erik lost to Raheem. Raheem even wobbled him good once and hes not even a power puncher. By the time Morales fought Pac in the rematch his legs were gone.

[DoumB]

this is a retard who has a pacman whooped your heroes ass syndrome :yep:yep

:patsch look dont get too offended, take out pac's sack of your mouth and try to speak more clearly

[johnco]

:patsch look dont get too offended, take out pac's sack of your mouth and try to speak more clearly

why will i get offended dumb if a former 106 pounder made MAB, JMM, EM KISSED THE CANVASS 10 TIMES OR MORE in front of the world??? :lol::lol::lol::good
NO WAY :hey:hey:hey

[boxbox]

The last time the "real" Morales showed up was the first Pacquaio fight. That was his last hurrah as an elite fighter


typical excuse:blood...how come morales made a fool of that champion just now?

[Shotgun]

typical excuse:blood...how come morales made a fool of that champion just now?
What "champion"? David Diaz is a paper champ who Morales would have defeated with one hand behind his back in his prime

You want to watch a fighter go from good to shot in a span of 3 fights, watch Morales-Pac I, Morales-Raheem, Morales-Pac II

In Morales-Pac I, Morales was winning comfortable enough that in the 12th round he switched to southpaw and dared Pacquaio to knock him out, and he couldn't do it. That was the last time you saw Morales fighting on a high level. He looked like shit against Raheem in his very next fight but Pacquaio fanatics claim that Morales wasn't faded or shot in the second fight. Yeah right :lol:

[JMotrain]

Yes Morales was shot, you could actually see it in the third fight with Barrera.

[Chert]

if we always have to go to these "faded" or "shot" arguments all the time, then elite fighters like pac and hatton will never get the proper credit they deserve. they fight the people in front of them and there is always the possibility for them to lose and get hurt in the process.

we just watch the fights. it is them who are risking their very lives in that ring. it is therefore a great disservice to these fighters if we always try to belittle their efforts and accomplishments by resorting to these "shot" and "faded" arguments. that's just plain hating and there is no place for that in this very dangerous sport.

[Shotgun]

if we always have to go to these "faded" or "shot" arguments all the time, then elite fighters like pac and hatton will never get the proper credit they deserve

Well, the problem for Pac is that we saw him in the ring with a fading, but still top level version of Morales, and he lost without controversy. Pacquaio fans have a world of excuses for that but anyone with a functioning set of eyes can see that the Morales that was in against Raheem and against Pac in II and III was not the same man who was in there in the first Pac fight. And the Morales in the first Pac fight was not even a prime Morales, he was fading

[Chert]

Well, the problem for Pac is that we saw him in the ring with a fading, but still top level version of Morales, and he lost without controversy. Pacquaio fans have a world of excuses for that but anyone with a functioning set of eyes can see that the Morales that was in against Raheem and against Pac in II and III was not the same man who was in there in the first Pac fight. And the Morales in the first Pac fight was not even a prime Morales, he was fading
hmm... i guess you didn't get the essence of my post then.

[Chert]

Raheem really bashed up Morales , he was never the same since

you're giving the light-punching raheem too much credit. pac certainly hit erik with much harder shots in their first fight especially in the 12th even though pac lost that one.

[Chert]

no way Raheem bashed him thoroughly totalyy one sided for 12 long hard rounds
it was a schooling... not a bashing. even though he won, the first pac fight probably took a lot out of erik and raheem was just the beneficiary of this in their subsequent fight.

[Shotgun]

hmm... i guess you didn't get the essence of my post then.

No, I got it. But the difference between Hatton and Pac is that Hatton didn't fight previous versions of Castillo to see what the diffrence would've been

You brought Hatton up. How would Hatton's win over Tszyu look if he'd fought and lost to Tszyu a year earlier? Probably not as good

That's the problem Manny faces. He already lost to Morales. He already lost to a past his prime Morales. So many people won't give him credit for beating the shot version. If Pacquaio had beaten a faded version of Morales but hadn't lost to the fresher version, he'd get more credit for beating EM. But it's hard to give that much credit to him for beating up a faded/shot fighter who already beat him clean when he wasn't so faded