Your Top 5 Classic Dream Matches (+ your picks...)

[WhataRock]

5. Jose Napoles vs Aaron Pryor @ 140..I wanna say Napoles will win this but I kind of cant even picture it right now. Not sure the Hawk lets him fight a pace he is comfortable with and one of the biggest punchers ever at the weight against Napoles skin could spell disaster. Extremely interesting matchup for me.


4. Jeff Fenech vs Fighting Harada @ 122..Intense fight, maybe the weight favours Fenech to much but would be an awesome battle. I think Harada is all around better, I would certainly favour him at 118 but maybe this kind of evens it up a bit.


3. SRR vs Emile Griffith @ 147 or 154..both were proven at welter and both were proven at middle, I dont know if 154 would be any better but doesnt matter really. SRR just a little to quick and powerful but would be a tough fight for him.

2. Ruben Olivares vs Wilfredo Gomez @ 122..Gomez by KO in an absolute life shortening war.


1. Roberto Duran vs Julio Cesar Chavez @ 135..IMO the ultimate matchup at lightweight. Just would be war against two of the best inside fighters to lace them up there. Duran knows to much here, takes a clear but very hard fought decision.

Feel free to critique my matches and picks aswell.

[Loewe]

1. B-Hop - MMH = over 15 rounds a tactical war which would end with both fighters ending up beaten man. It´s not important who wins in this one but the fight itself would be the greatest in mw history.

2. Walker - Ray Leonard @147 = a bit similar to Duran-Leonard I but Walker closes the show and KOs SRL in the 10th with a bodyshot.

3. Scholz - Giardello = The tricky, tough southpaw Scholz against the possibly best technician at mw ever would be a tactical fight. Scholz was only defeated two times in his career: one time against Charles Humez in a fight he had to lose to get a shot at Humez Euro mw title which he won by stoppage and once against Harold Johnson in his only worldchampionship fight when he was already past his prime and above his best weight, giving Johnson a tough fight. Their common opponent is Peter Müller who won and lost to Giardello but got beaten three times easily by Scholz. I pick Scholz` southpaw style beeing a bit too tricky for Giardello winning him a close UD.

4. Griffith - Leonard @147 = Both were very complete fighters and I expect the fight to change from boxing to slugging back to boxing. I think Griffith stepping up his workrate in the championship rounds wins him the fight in a close one.

5. Duran - Chavez @135 = Duran at his best wins an UD in maybe the best lightweight fight ever. Chavez chin and underrated defence keeps him in the fight but it would be quite evident that he´s not up there with Duran. 10 to 5 rounds for the Panamanian.

[Jbuz]

Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Roberto Duran @ 135 - a styles clash that would make for an epic fight. Shit I just realised this was already mentioned. :twisted:

Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson.

Marvin Hagler vs. Sugar Ray Robinson @ 160.

Salvador Sanchez vs. Erik Morales @ 126.

Manny Pacquiao vs. Alexis Arguello @ 130.

It's all about the fireworks. :good

[JohnThomas1]

Here's my 5 for today

Muhammad Ali vs Joe Louis

Who's the greatest? Superb contrast of styles, Ali's flair and natural genius vs Joe's more methodical but supremely efficient weaponry. Totally different personalities too. One for the ages.

Ali UD15

Carlos Monzon vs Bernard Hopkins

One for the thinking fan. A real chessmatch this, between two of the great thinkers and adaptors. Hopkins, more technically perfect but Monzon with pure effectiveness. This bout would ebb and flow as both search for the higher ground. Hopkins would flurry early and take the lead against the slower starting Monzon before Carlos puts forth his own brand of brilliance. The last rounds would decide this.

Hopkins SD15

Sugar Ray Robinson vs Sugar Ray Leonard

There's enough sugar in this one to contract diabetes just watching! Robinson if anything has underrated speed here, whilst Leonard's true power is often overlooked. I like
Robinson's power and body attack to help him greatly here in a tight tussle.

SRR UD15

Roberto Duran vs Henry Armstrong

What an incredible matchup. This would be one of the great fights of all time, guaranteed. Can Duran gain enough breathing space to impose his superior boxing skills? How does Armstrong handle walking into Duran's formidable arsenal of power and accuracy again and again in his attempts to make this a chest to chest affair? Who is definitely the better inside fighter? Will either wilt more than the other in the late rounds due to the frenetic pace?

I'm not calling this one.

Sandy Saddler vs Jeff Fenech

Don't believe for a minute Fenech can't match up at this level. Two of the dirtiest fighters going, this bout would be a war. Fenech's intensity and savagery would have Saddler digging deep. Saddler's pure power and ability, despite being tall, to fight on the inside makes him the favourite here.

There's 5 that came into my head today.

[fists of fury]

Rocky Marciano v Joe Frazier

Anyone care to call it?

Stanley Ketchel v Harry Greb

An absolute foul-filled war.

Thomas Hearns v Sugar Ray Robinson

Bombs away!

Wilfredo Gomez v Jeff Fenech (Jnr. Featherweight)

Predictions?

Brian Mitchell v Azumah Nelson (Jnr. Lightweight)

Could have happened, but didn't.

[WhataRock]

Thomas Hearns v Sugar Ray Robinson

Bombs away!

Wow..what a fight. Hearns most certainly could outbox SRR for a period of time but it would be like Leonard-HearnsI, possibly earlier I reckon.

Wilfredo Gomez v Jeff Fenech (Jnr. Featherweight)

Gomez takes it but not to many Id pick over Jeff at 122. It would be war


Azumah-Mitchell...need to think about that one. I do regard Nelson better but 130 was more Mitchell's weight. But then again Nelson was awesome there..I dont know..will sleep on that one for now.

[teeto]

Great fights everyone, i dont really know what mine would be, though i think i could come up with some.

Good just reading some of these interesting ones though.

[teeto]

The Robinson-Hearns one comes up every now and again as we know well. I could never pick Tommy to win that one personally, ive always felt this way. Woudl be a tremendous one though.

I think Frazier-Marciano could be amazing, oh my!

All the Hopkins picks would be interesting, so hard to pick the top middles against each other, as they were all so prolific at what THEY did best.

Saddler-Fenech is a war, a war, but i would be picking Sandy by stoppage, you cant go to the monster like that!

[Minotauro]

1. Julio Cesar Chavez vs Henry Armstrong at 135lbs
I used to favour Chavez but see it as a closer fight now could go either way.

2. Roberto Duran vs Ike Williams at 135lbs
I would favour Duran slightly.

3. Eder Jofre vs Ruben Olivares at 118lbs
Toss up between the best bantamweights in my opinion. If I had to pick it would be Olivares.

4. Mickey Walker vs Joe Walcott at 147lbs
Again could go either way I prefer Walcott but what these two guys did seems almost unbelievable today.

5. Archie Moore vs Michael Spinks at 175lbs
Maybe Moore although I would be confident picking either.

[McGrain]

Some wicked fights in this thread!

Burley and Robinson box a draw

Louis beats Ali by KO

Roy Jones beats Ezzard Charles on points

Midget Wolgst beats Jimmy Wilde on points

Ricard Lopez beats Michel Carbajal on points.


That's the five for today!

[teeto]

Some wicked fights in this thread!

Burley and Robinson box a draw

I fukin knew you'd say that!:lol:

[McGrain]

:lol:

[teeto]

I remember someone (not sure who) posted that they would like to see Whitaker-Mayweather to see Floyd well and truly get schooled once and for all. The post made me very interested in it.

[Minotauro]

[quote=McGrain]Some wicked fights in this thread!

Roy Jones beats Ezzard Charles on points

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Blasphemy:!:

[McGrain]

I know, I know...and at 175, too :p


Incidently, do you think it's okay to pick Roy to beat Ezzard at 160?

[teeto]

[quote=McGrain]Some wicked fights in this thread!

Roy Jones beats Ezzard Charles on points

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Blasphemy:!:
Off with his head!

Kidding, its a tough one.

[teeto]

I know, I know...and at 175, too :p


Incidently, do you think it's okay to pick Roy to beat Ezzard at 160?
Hard to say, we could always just go down the route of 'the green 160 Charles gets beat by the super-talented 160 Roy'. But its very difficult to say in reality.

Any opinion on the Floyd-Whitaker one? Ive never seen Floyd in with someone like that so i really dont know, but that may be one of the reasons i'd pick Pea.

[teeto]

bump

[teeto]

how the hell do i post photos? It never works for me, think im doing something wrong.

[teeto]

Anyway!

Dempsey-Marciano- the world sits back, takes a deep breath, and watches...

Duran-Whitaker- its just that i rate these as the best lightweights ever in terms of h2h, and the best deserve to fight the best.

Lamotta-Fulmer- standing on a penny

Burley-Leonard- how interesting would this great, great fight be?

Gomez-Morales- two warriors.....



These were just really off the top of my head after the first two, just thought i'd contribute rather than talk shit!

[natonic]

1.) Salvador Sanchez - Eusebio Pedroza. I usually pick Sanchez but waffle on this one often. For one fight I think it's pick'em. For a series, I'd give Sanchez the edge due to adaptability.
2.) Jeff Chandler - Lupe Pintor. I'll take Chandler by the most narrow margin.
3.) Eddie Mustafa Muhammed - Matthew Saad Muhammed. I'll take Eddie by late stoppage.
4.) Alexis Arguello - JC Chavez at 130. Chavez wins this at 135, but I'd give a slight edge to Arguello at 130. I think Arguello was just a bit quicker than he was at 135
5.) Carlos Monzon - Marvin Hagler. I'd give Monzon a slight edge based on consistent scoring with that piston jab.

[Joe E]

1. Heavy: Corbett - Tunney. A purists bout.
2. Lt.Heavy: Charles - Jones. Lets settle this once and for all.
3. Middle: Graziano - B Hop. Fun while it lasts.
4. Welter: Zivic - Whitaker: This one is for Sweet Pea. Whitaker dosn't know whether to shit or go blind in this one.
5. Lt. Weight: Leonard - Armstrong: Benny could box or brawl and we all know Armstrong.

[McGrain]

how the hell do i post photos? It never works for me, think im doing something wrong.

You got a photobucket account?

[teeto]

No?? any advice??

[McGrain]

No?? any advice??

Get a photobucket account! That's the only way i know how to do it. If you get one, PM me, and i'll talk you through posting a pick.

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[Minotauro]

I know, I know...and at 175, too :p


Incidently, do you think it's okay to pick Roy to beat Ezzard at 160?

I never really thought about how they would match up at 160, both guts were yet to hit there peak. I'll have to get back to you on this one.

[RockyJim]

Marciano vs. Ali...
Marciano vs. Dempsey...
Hagler.vs SSR...
Hearns vs. SSR...
Ali vs. Tyson...

[ryan8331]

bobby chacon vs arturo gatti

tommy hearns vs mike mccallum

roberto duran vs henry armstrong

charley burley vs srr

ricardo lopez vs jimmy wilde

[Sweet Pea]

5. Jose Napoles vs Aaron Pryor @ 140..I wanna say Napoles will win this but I kind of cant even picture it right now. Not sure the Hawk lets him fight a pace he is comfortable with and one of the biggest punchers ever at the weight against Napoles skin could spell disaster. Extremely interesting matchup for me.Something to note about Napoles. He was far from one-dimensional as far as the pace he could fight at, he was very capable of firing it out with the best of them. He just had more dimensions to his game, and his ring generalship was so good that he was often able to keep the fight at his set pace. He'd more than likely land the cleaner shots on the much wilder, off balance Pryor, though in a bang out Pryor would definitely have the ability to bust Napoles's face up. Very tough fight to call for me as well.

[heehoo]

Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Charlie Burley

Ray Leonard vs. Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

Alexis "El Flaco Explosivo" Arguello vs. Salvador "Chava" Sanchez

Jack "The Manassa Mauler" Dempsey vs. Harry Wills

John L. "The Boston Strong Boy" Sullivan vs. Peter Jackson

[TommyV]

5. Jose Napoles vs Aaron Pryor @ 140..I wanna say Napoles will win this but I kind of cant even picture it right now. Not sure the Hawk lets him fight a pace he is comfortable with and one of the biggest punchers ever at the weight against Napoles skin could spell disaster. Extremely interesting matchup for me.

Superb match-up. Can Napoles, with his smooth style, handle Pryor's pressure? Both have power, Pryor had a great chin though, I don't think 'Mantequilla' would KO him. I take Pryor by stoppage on cuts, around 10. Pryor TKO10 Napoles.

4. Jeff Fenech vs Fighting Harada @ 122..Intense fight, maybe the weight favours Fenech to much but would be an awesome battle. I think Harada is all around better, I would certainly favour him at 118 but maybe this kind of evens it up a bit. Harada UD Fenech


Another interesting match-up. I'll take Harada on the basis that his bouncy, high volume punching style - always throwing the jab, always circling - once helped him upset the great Eder Jofre. I think he would outpoint the tough Fenech. Harada UD Fenech.

3. SRR vs Emile Griffith @ 147 or 154..both were proven at welter and both were proven at middle, I dont know if 154 would be any better but doesnt matter really. SRR just a little to quick and powerful but would be a tough fight for him.

This would be a tough fight for Sugar Ray. While he was the quicker fighter, Griffith was quick himself, he was alert and had a bit of power. Leonard had a very good chin though, I think Griffith would have to outpoint him, which against Leonard, is very, very difficult. Leonard UD Griffith.

2. Ruben Olivares vs Wilfredo Gomez @ 122..Gomez by KO in an absolute life shortening war.

Wow. What an absolute war this fight would be. Both pack a huge punch, both were a bit susceptible to getting knocked out. It depends entirely who gives in first. Both the same size aswell, I take Gomez, I feel he was slightly the bigger puncher, and probably had the better chin. Could go either way though. It ends fairly early for me. Gomez KO5 Olivares

1. Roberto Duran vs Julio Cesar Chavez @ 135..IMO the ultimate matchup at lightweight. Just would be war against two of the best inside fighters to lace them up there. Duran knows to much here, takes a clear but very hard fought decision.

Another war. Close in terms of power and durability. I feel Duran's crudeness, superior inside-fighting ability would be the key. I don't feel he stops Chavez, but he gives and takes some good shots on his way to a decision. Duran UD Chavez.

All excellent choices. :good

[booradley]

Danny "Little Red" Lopez vs Manny Pacquio at 126: Somebody leaves the ring on a stretcher.

[Bill Butcher]

I wont use the same fighter twice.....


5. Robinson v Hagler

SRRs long range boxing & speed + his ability to hang with Marvin inside enable him to take this one by close UD, as long as we are talking the pre Turpin SRR then he would be just too good a fighter all round IMO but certainly no mismatch, what a war -
Robinson W15 UD Hagler.


4. Marciano v Frazier

Order a phone booth for this bloodbath, after falling behind early, I think the extra weight advantage in Fraziers favour comes into play in the last 3 or 4 rds & he pulls out a super close decision, inside war all the way -
Frazier W15 SD Marciano.


3. Duran v Whitaker

Just to solve many many ESB arguments & determine the best LWT ever, I feel Durans power & Pea`s lack of power will be the ultimate deciding point, especially thru 15 rds, I expect Pea to have a slight edge from the outside but Duran will be right there with him landing harder but once inside, as underrated as Pea is inside I still expect Duran to bully him & land the much more telling blows -
Duran W15 UD Whitaker.


2. Morales v Hamed

If not for Naz calling out MAB, this would have happened.
Depends how Erik fights, if he boxes, he wins about 8-4 or 9-3, if he fights, we get a crazy ass bloody fight likely ending in a TKO. I`ll assume Morales will box while fighting in spells much like vs Pac the 1st time -
Morales W12 UD Hamed.


1. Pryor v Chavez

My fav used to be Duran/Chavez but its been done too many times.
This is to decide the best ever 140 lber & I see Chavez handling Pryors outside game quite well but still dropping most early rds due to fighting at a more controlled pace but slowly getting inside & pulling himself just about level by rd 12, I see JCC soaking up Pryors head shots easier than I see Pryor taking JCCs body shots in the championship rds, both are tough as nails but Chavez just keeps coming to close the show in 1 of the ATG fights -
Chavez W15 UD Pryor


There is many more but thread rules are thread rules.

[WhataRock]

Ill replay to yours Butch because its closer

I actually think Hagler would be a very hard style matchup for SRR. He was the natural middleweight, his defensive ability and chin sorta negate Robinson's fight changing power and I think Hagler is quick enough to hang with Robinson's speed.
In a trilogy Id take Hagler to tought out the first...Robinson to edge to next two.

I would give the edge to Frazier but he would need to fight one of his tactically best fights to deal with the raw aggression and durability of Marciano. Frazier at his best takes it clearly but with a few bumps and bruises for his trouble, anything less then his best Marciano may well capitlize.

Duran via split decision over Sweet Pea..As you said Butch, power will pay a key role in how the rounds play out. I honestly see this being so competitive that the scores vary by quite wide margins, as the judges battle to decide whether Duran's aggression is worth more than Sweet Pea's smooth defence and counter punching.

In a word Morales...Hamed is always a massive punchers chance but against a warrior with extreme ring intelligence like Morales I think he mentally implodes and just fights to survive with the odd bomb getting through as he attempts to turn the tide with one punch.

Maybe its against all reason but Ive gotta go with Pryor there in a close one. I think Chavez was less destructive at jnr welter then he was at 130-135 and if its a physical fight, there is very few who match Pryor at this weight.
Chavez is technically more proficient in many ways but I think the Hawk just jumps him with his strength and power, and despite a late surge from Chavez holds on to bag the win. I cant help but think how hard Pryor did it against Arguello but I just feel he can take this one.


Another one I wanted to mention is

Roy Jones vs M Spinks @ 175....I have always picked Spinks here but speed kills, and Roy knew how to use his. There is no reason to think that Roy cant hit Spinks more then he gets hit, just by fighting conservatively and getting the fight into a one shot shootout.
I still always go with Spinks, I just think he is naturally the better fighter at 175 but a real hard fought match this one.

[McGrain]

ricardo lopez vs jimmy wilde

:shock:

[McGrain]

Man, I think Burley-Robinson is the most common pick in this thread.

Word up!

[WhataRock]

Something to note about Napoles. He was far from one-dimensional as far as the pace he could fight at, he was very capable of firing it out with the best of them. He just had more dimensions to his game, and his ring generalship was so good that he was often able to keep the fight at his set pace. He'd more than likely land the cleaner shots on the much wilder, off balance Pryor, though in a bang out Pryor would definitely have the ability to bust Napoles's face up. Very tough fight to call for me as well.

Call me crazy but when I watch Jose Napoles I see the combination of two boxing cultures.

The athletic, fluid style of Cuba mixed with the blood & guts uncompromising approach of the Mexicans.

By the time he was in his prime he seemed to have smoothly combined both to almost have an answer for anything.

[fists of fury]

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Nice! :good

[TBooze]

I would match Sammy Langford with Charley Burley at 160; the ultimate offence verses defence match-up.

Henry Armstrong verses Sandy Saddler in a fun fight at 130.

Ray Robinson verses Ray Leonard at 147.

Benny Leonard verses Roberto Duran to see who was King of the 135lbers.

And Finally how about Terry McGovern verses Jeff Fenech at 118?

[stonerose]

Tyson v Ali Ali UD

Benn v Calzaghe Calzaghe UD

Jones Jnr v Mclellan Jones by TKO but would have a few scares

SRR v Hagler SRR UD but very close. not SRR best weight

Duran v Mayweather Duran by KO .

[teeto]

Nice! :good
Thanks!

[Jersey Joe]

Holmes vs Louis

Jones vs Charles

Robinson vs Leonard

Floyd Mayweather vs Duran

Pacquiao vs Salvador Sanchez