If Couture beats Gonzaga...

[cross_trainer]

...then the winner of Fedor-Couture will be the greatest of all time. Both of them have top 3/5 resumes, and winning the undisputed heavyweight MMA championship would mean that they are also the first MMA fighter to be literally the best in the world.

[SweetScienceFan]

Agreed. Also, I would like to add that Couture would have a much greater chance of beating Fedor than most people would like to believe. Whether or not Couture gets past the young Gonzaga, who is a bad match up for him, I could definitely see Couture taking Fedor down in the Cage and controlling him. I could also see him winning by stoppage due to cuts by elbows.

[AJAX]

I don't think he'll get by Gonzaga anyhow, I agree it's a bad matchup, a bigger with great ground skills, will be tough for Randy to get an advantage.

[ufoalf]

I'm sorry but i dont think he has a chance against Fedor. I'll be more suprised if he beats Gonzaga than i was when he beat Sylvia. Couture is good but far from greatest ever or even this decade.

[Dostoevsky]

Couture won't beat Gonzaga.
Doesn't have a chance imo.

[Beebs]

Agreed. Also, I would like to add that Couture would have a much greater chance of beating Fedor than most people would like to believe. Whether or not Couture gets past the young Gonzaga, who is a bad match up for him, I could definitely see Couture taking Fedor down in the Cage and controlling him. I could also see him winning by stoppage due to cuts by elbows.

Pretty much my exact thoughts.

And yes, I believe Couture would overtake Fedor as the GOAT if he wins both.

[jimmie]

Couture won't beat Gonzaga.
Doesn't have a chance imo.

Couture doesnt have a chance havent I heard this like 8 times already :deal

[Amsterdam]

Couture doesnt have a chance havent I heard this like 8 times already :deal

We'll have a Vbookie event for it, I think Gonzaga will win rather easily.

[jimmie]

We'll have a Vbookie event for it, I think Gonzaga will win rather easily.

Ok but im just saying ive heard this alot over the years Rizzo,Sylvia,Ortiz,Belfort,Randleman,Liddell even Maurice Smith people thought was pound his ass. This will be though so cause Gonzagas a savage hes a strong guy with good takedowns and striking and obviously his ground game is all around very good but if Randy wants a takedown he will more then likley get it.

[Amsterdam]

Ok but im just saying ive heard this alot over the years Rizzo,Sylvia,Ortiz,Belfort,Randleman,Liddell even Maurice Smith people thought was pound his ass. This will be though so cause Gonzagas a savage hes a strong guy with good takedowns and striking and obviously his ground game is all around very good but if Randy wants a takedown he will more then likley get it.

I'm not overrating Gonzaga in this scenerio or not giving Randy enough credit, it's just that Gonzaga is a big natural HW who's athletic and has all of the qualities that you listed.

I do think Cro Cop fully prepared would defeat Gonzaga rather easily, but Gonzaga has more than enough to beat a 44 year old Couture who's coming off of a good win, but over a very poor opponent in my opinion.

Even though Gonzaga's 1 loss is by KO, he looks like the type that takes a good shot.

[AJAX]

Couture doesnt have a chance havent I heard this like 8 times already :deal

are you betting on Couture Jim Bo?:cool:

[ufoalf]

This is what bewilders me about people's opinion about Couture. I know he's had some accomplishments and great fights but man, the guy is 44 y.o and beat Sylvia. If he was as fresh as he was against Rizzo and with as much experience as now than yea, he would beat Gonzaga and be a very solid contender to go against Fedor.
I wish him to prove me wrong though. Being a champ at 44 and if he whoops Gonzaga that'll be something very special and i will be glad to have lived during his career.

[USMCGixxer6]

Pretty much my exact thoughts.

And yes, I believe Couture would overtake Fedor as the GOAT if he wins both.


how so?

a man who has had some nice wins, some big wins, but some big losses, 8 of them in only what 23 fights? and he would be the greatest of all time?

So when say Boise State went undefeated and beat OU, they are now a better program than OU?

I dont believe that.

BUt I like randy and would be rooting for him to do it. Although I think GG beats him.

[USMCGixxer6]

This is what bewilders me about people's opinion about Couture. I know he's had some accomplishments and great fights but man, the guy is 44 y.o and beat Sylvia. If he was as fresh as he was against Rizzo and with as much experience as now than yea, he would beat Gonzaga and be a very solid contender to go against Fedor.
I wish him to prove me wrong though. Being a champ at 44 and if he whoops Gonzaga that'll be something very special and i will be glad to have lived during his career.

amen

[jimmie]

how so?

a man who has had some nice wins, some big wins, but some big losses, 8 of them in only what 23 fights? and he would be the greatest of all time?

So when say Boise State went undefeated and beat OU, they are now a better program than OU?

I dont believe that.

BUt I like randy and would be rooting for him to do it. Although I think GG beats him.

So fucking what he has 8 losses its actually 7 I have a hard time calling the 2nd Vitor Belfort fight a loss. Usually when about 20 of ur 23 fights are agianst the top guys in the sport your bound to have some losses occasionally lets not turn MMA in Boxing where a guy losses some fights and his Legacy is turned to shit.

[jimmie]

Also im in agreement with SweetScience Couture COULD beat Fedor. The Cage is pretty forigen to Fedor and Couture knows exactly how to use it. If Couture gets the postion in the clinch agianst the fence he will get the takedown somehow throws,sweeps whatever. Fedor has proven to bleed alittle and Coutures short elbows are made to open up cuts. A Couture stoppage could happen for sure.

[Amsterdam]

So fucking what he has 8 losses its actually 7 I have a hard time calling the 2nd Vitor Belfort fight a loss. Usually when about 20 of ur 23 fights are agianst the top guys in the sport your bound to have some losses occasionally lets not turn MMA in Boxing where a guy losses some fights and his Legacy is turned to shit.

Yeah, I agree with this, Couture has some black spot losses but also some very quality wins, he deserves a top 5 ranking. However, he is also overrated by some and this is because Couture is the definition of a class act and a sportsman, as well as a good guy, it's hard to not like him personally and when he succeeds, his fans are extremely pleased.

Even if he defeats Gonzaga and then Fedor, I would still rank Fedor over him in terms of all around legacy, that's all I am saying.

Some of Couture's fans are over the top, the over the top overrating personally makes me crazy and I start to underrate a guy whom is otherwise an honourable warrior.... but nothing tops Amir Khan's hype train for making me crazy.

[Amsterdam]

Also im in agreement with SweetScience Couture COULD beat Fedor. The Cage is pretty forigen to Fedor and Couture knows exactly how to use it. If Couture gets the postion in the clinch agianst the fence he will get the takedown somehow throws,sweeps whatever. Fedor has proven to bleed alittle and Coutures short elbows are made to open up cuts. A Couture stoppage could happen for sure.

Yes, I give him a shot, a good one and I'd run a bet for good measure because of the cage transition. But I also take this in knowing that Fedor would have owned him horribly in the ring set up, this relates to my post above in terms of rankings also.

[jimmie]

Yeah, I agree with this, Couture has some black spot losses but also some very quality wins, he deserves a top 5 ranking. However, he is also overrated by some and this is because Couture is the definition of a class act and a sportsman, as well as a good guy, it's hard to not like him personally and when he succeeds, his fans are extremely pleased.

Even if he defeats Gonzaga and then Fedor, I would still rank Fedor over him in terms of all around legacy, that's all I am saying.

Some of Couture's fans are over the top, the over the top overrating personally makes me crazy and I start to underrate a guy whom is otherwise an honourable warrior.... but nothing tops Amir Khan's hype train for making me crazy.

Im a huge Couture fan my freind but I myself dont think im one of the overtop fans that you have mentioned and I know exactly who your talking about. I think every big name fighter has those kinds of fans especially Cro Cop.

[Amsterdam]

Im a huge Couture fan my freind but I myself dont think im one of the overtop fans that you have mentioned and I know exactly who your talking about. I think every big name fighter has those kinds of fans especially Cro Cop.

Oh, you know it mate. Cro Cop definitley was not at his best vs. Gonzaga, but they seek to give Gonzaga no credit for what he did, which was a slow paced fight up until the fantastic KO, but one that he controlled and dominated, save for Cro Cop landing a good kick to the side.

Cro Cop is a marketable guy also.

I happened to meet Gonzaga 2 months ago the local BJJ school where he was in for grappling seminar, he's a good guy, I'm pulling for him in this next fight.

[USMCGixxer6]

So fucking what he has 8 losses its actually 7 I have a hard time calling the 2nd Vitor Belfort fight a loss. Usually when about 20 of ur 23 fights are agianst the top guys in the sport your bound to have some losses occasionally lets not turn MMA in Boxing where a guy losses some fights and his Legacy is turned to shit.

thats debatable, still an L though. Just like Fedor still technically has an L. Point being though how can you be the GOAT if you have 2 losses to a guy who is not even close to being the GOAT. See what im saying? Top 5 guy maybe, GOAT no.

[Beebs]

yeah it will be 8 soon, sorry about that. I was getting ahead of myself. Point being how can you be the GOAT if you have 2 losses to a guy who is not even close to being the GOAT. See what im saying? Top 5 guy maybe, GOAT no.

If you have a nearly equal level of wins as the current GOAT, then beat him, how does that make the current GOAT greater than you?

[USMCGixxer6]

If you have a nearly equal level of wins as the current GOAT, then beat him, how does that make the current GOAT greater than you?

see its tricky, i agree.

MMAth isnt the answer sometimes.

Lets say Randy gets by GG and then does beat Fedor and then he retires. Would you rate him over Fedor? Lets say FEdor retired after the fight too.

I wouldnt, Randy hasnt beaten Mirko or Big Nog and still has a lot more Ls than Fedor would have.

It is all objective, there is no WRONG choice really. Just my logic on it.

[Beebs]

see its tricky, i agree.

MMAth isnt the answer sometimes.

Lets say Randy gets by GG and then does beat Fedor and then he retires. Would you rate him over Fedor? Lets say FEdor retired after the fight too.

I wouldnt, Randy hasnt beaten Mirko or Big Nog and still has a lot more Ls than Fedor would have.

It is all objective, there is no WRONG choice really. Just my logic on it.


Not Nog and CroCop, but Gonzaga, Rizzo, Liddell, Vitor, Ortiz, and Randleman. And Fedor.

[ufoalf]

Not Nog and CroCop, but Gonzaga, Rizzo, Liddell, Vitor, Ortiz, and Randleman. And Fedor.

Yea, but his wins counteract with flaired loses. For me, in the scenerio mentioned above, Fedor would still be GOAT(beh) in major part that he has beat any style out there. He did it with 1 lame(at best) loss. This being MMA such record today is obviously very tough. especially when your level of competetion is mostly from high to top.

Though beating Fedor at such age would be a lifetime achievement. Age is pretty much the only argument i see to be made for Couture for GOAT. Than again Foreman has had insane accomplishment at mid40's, i dont hear anyone ever call him GOAT.

[jimmie]

thats debatable, still an L though. Just like Fedor still technically has an L. Point being though how can you be the GOAT if you have 2 losses to a guy who is not even close to being the GOAT. See what im saying? Top 5 guy maybe, GOAT no.

Yeah god forgive Randy for losing to such a bum whos never beaten anybody like Chuck :patsch Please you fucking moron we all know Fedor is the GOAT but for 2nd ATG Chuck Liddell has a solid case for it although personally I dont rank him that high.

[cross_trainer]

I would rate Randy the GOAT. Why?

* He just beat the PRIDE champion, becoming the first unified champion. By definition, he rose through a deeper talent pool (best in PRIDE and the UFC) than any champion in history...including Fedor.

* Won a UFC tournament, the heavyweight championship multiple times, and the lightheavyweight championship. Did most of it when he was in his late 40's.

* Beat the previous GOAT head-to-head when Fedor was in his prime and Randy was old as the hills.

* Sometimes defeated larger opponents.



Even allowing for his losses, Couture has a greater win record and greater longevity than anybody in the game....Fedor's nearly undefeated record is impressive, but then so is Marciano's--and we don't rate Marciano as #1. A Couture victory would be as if Moore had defeated Ali.

[Dostoevsky]

A Couture victory would be as if Moore had defeated Ali.

Infact it would be better, as Ali was relatively unknown back then, not in his prime and not considered the greatest fighter of all time.

[jimmie]

I would rate Randy the GOAT. Why?

* He just beat the PRIDE champion, becoming the first unified champion. By definition, he rose through a deeper talent pool (best in PRIDE and the UFC) than any champion in history...including Fedor.

* Won a UFC tournament, the heavyweight championship multiple times, and the lightheavyweight championship. Did most of it when he was in his late 40's.

* Beat the previous GOAT head-to-head when Fedor was in his prime and Randy was old as the hills.

* Sometimes defeated larger opponents.



Even allowing for his losses, Couture has a greater win record and greater longevity than anybody in the game....Fedor's nearly undefeated record is impressive, but then so is Marciano's--and we don't rate Marciano as #1. A Couture victory would be as if Moore had defeated Ali.

Also add in the number of guys he has beaten that will end up in the Hall of Fame or were former World Champions in Randleman,Ortiz,Maurce Smith,Tim Sylvia,Liddell,Horn,Rizzo,Fedor thats a good list.

[cross_trainer]

I was just reading somewhere that Couture can beat Fedor.. How???

Odds are he can't. But this is a "what if" scenario.

[Amsterdam]

Odds are he can't. But this is a "what if" scenario.

That avatar is scary my friend...:yep

[SweetScienceFan]

You guys have to take into account the fact that Couture has grown with the times. He would be considered possibly the greatest of all time, because of his great wins, and great accomplishments. People are looking too deep into his losses. Randy came into the MMA world as just a wrestler with some small boxing experience. So, we can't just ake all of his losses and act like they define him. With each loss or win, he grows, learns and gets better. At 44 years old, still fighting the best and being Heavyweight Champion of the biggest MMA organization in the World is already just amazing. Imagine if Couture was able to get into MMA at 20 years old, and grew with the times to hit his prime technically and physically in his 20's? Can you imagine what a prime years Randy, with the sort of mind that he has would be able to do? In other words, we are talking about an old man who is so gifted that even at 44 years old he is still learning and beating the top fighters out there. If he were able to beat a Prime Fedor at that age, he would be the best ever.

[cross_trainer]

That avatar is scary my friend...:yep
:lol:

Sullivan's opponents commented that his most intimidating characteristics were lifeless looking black eyes...the moustache may look a little eccentric, but I imagine that John L. wasn't a pretty customer when he was angry.

[ufoalf]

You guys have to take into account the fact that Couture has grown with the times. He would be considered possibly the greatest of all time, because of his great wins, and great accomplishments. People are looking too deep into his losses. Randy came into the MMA world as just a wrestler with some small boxing experience. So, we can't just ake all of his losses and act like they define him. With each loss or win, he grows, learns and gets better. At 44 years old, still fighting the best and being Heavyweight Champion of the biggest MMA organization in the World is already just amazing. Imagine if Couture was able to get into MMA at 20 years old, and grew with the times to hit his prime technically and physically in his 20's? Can you imagine what a prime years Randy, with the sort of mind that he has would be able to do? In other words, we are talking about an old man who is so gifted that even at 44 years old he is still learning and beating the top fighters out there. If he were able to beat a Prime Fedor at that age, he would be the best ever.

You can't overlook loses. You don't become a champion by losing. The reason he's been fighting top competition most of his career is because he's been given a chance to.
We'll have better success if we decide common grounds of what characteristics define GOAT.

[SweetScienceFan]

You can't overlook loses. You don't become a champion by losing. The reason he's been fighting top competition most of his career is because he's been given a chance to.
We'll have better success if we decide common grounds of what characteristics define GOAT.
Randy has been the two time Light Heavyweight Champion, and the three time Heavyweight Champion. I don't think that the "you don't become a champion by losing" phrase fits too well in this discussion.

[cross_trainer]

You can't overlook loses. You don't become a champion by losing. The reason he's been fighting top competition most of his career is because he's been given a chance to.
We'll have better success if we decide common grounds of what characteristics define GOAT.

Some of the criteria is subjective from person to person. I, for instance, like ABC belts--theoretically, they mean that you've proved yourself the best fighter in the talent pool that the ABC belt represents. Hence the importance I place on Pancrase, for instance. Tournament wins are also quite important--they show a diverse ability to fight at a moment's notice. Multiple weightclass victories help as well. And of course, quality of opposition. Age is another mitigating circumstance.

SweetScienceFan is right when he says that Couture can be considered "green" in a couple of his early defeats. They can't be excused, but they're at least more understandable in that light. And despite his losses, he did manage to win belts in multiple weight classes, multiple times, often when very old, AND won a tournament, AND beat the GOAT. If he beats Fedor, he will fulfill all of the criteria listed.

[Amsterdam]

:lol:

Sullivan's opponents commented that his most intimidating characteristics were lifeless looking black eyes...the moustache may look a little eccentric, but I imagine that John L. wasn't a pretty customer when he was angry.

Sullivan was a bad man...

[SweetScienceFan]

Not only would Couture have an amazing resume with wins over Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort, Kevin Randleman, Maurice Harris, Pedro Rizzo, Tim Sylvia, and Fedor Emelianenko, among others... it would be the fact that he beat them all when they were considered at the best in the career.

Vitor Belfort was labeled "the phenom", and was just melting through his competition in MMA before Couture shocked the world by dominating and stopping the undefeated Belfort.

Maurice Smith was at the high point of his career. He was the UFC Champion, and had just beat Mark Coleman and stopped Tank Abbott when Couture beat him.

Kevin Randleman was the UFC Champion and at the high point of his career as well. He was taking the UFC by storm with wins over Maurice Smith, a highly disputed loss to Bas Rutten where he controlled Bas for most of the fight, and wins over Pete Williams, and Pedro Rizzo when he ran into Couture and Couture beat him for the title as well.

Pedro Rizzo was 11-1 with wins over Coleman, Abbott, Severn, and had just knocked out Josh Barnett when Couture beat him in back to back fights. Directly after Couture beat him Rizzo went on in his next fight to knock out Andre Arovski. Definetly the high point in Rizzo's career as well.

Chuck Liddell was on an absolute terror on a 10 fight win streak (the longest of his career) with wins over Monson, Randleman, Mezger, Belfort, and Babalu during that streak. Couture was 2 weeks away from being 40 years old, and completely dominated Liddell.

Tito Ortiz was the longest reigning UFC Champion in history. Was extremely dominant and considered a sure thing by a lot of people to wax the 40 year old Couture. Randy dominated and completely outclassed Tito for every minute of every round of their fight.

Tim Sylvia was also a dominant UFC Champion, like it or not. Was also definitely at the high point of his career. 23-2 with wins over the likes of Ricco Rodriquez, Mike Whitehead, Cabbage, Wes Sims, Silva, back to back wins over Arlovski and then a dominant win over Monson. Randy came out of retirement and absolutely dominated the man who was much larger than himself. Dominated Sylvia for every minute of every round of their fight as well. On their feet, and on the ground.


Now, if he was to also defeat Fedor as Fedor is at this point in time, that would simply be amazing, and yes he would go down as the greatest ever. Especially considering that he would have also had to beat Gabriel Gonzaga at the height of his career, coming off of a devastating knockout win over Cro-Cop as well.

[cross_trainer]

Sullivan was a bad man...

:nod

[USMCGixxer6]

Not Nog and CroCop, but Gonzaga, Rizzo, Liddell, Vitor, Ortiz, and Randleman. And Fedor.



Fedor beat Coleman and Randleman as well, as well as Bablu.

A loss to Randy doesnt make Randy GOAT.

[USMCGixxer6]

Not only would Couture have an amazing resume with wins over Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort, Kevin Randleman, Maurice Harris, Pedro Rizzo, Tim Sylvia, and Fedor Emelianenko, among others... it would be the fact that he beat them all when they were considered at the best in the career.

Vitor Belfort was labeled "the phenom", and was just melting through his competition in MMA before Couture shocked the world by dominating and stopping the undefeated Belfort.

Maurice Smith was at the high point of his career. He was the UFC Champion, and had just beat Mark Coleman and stopped Tank Abbott when Couture beat him.

Kevin Randleman was the UFC Champion and at the high point of his career as well. He was taking the UFC by storm with wins over Maurice Smith, a highly disputed loss to Bas Rutten where he controlled Bas for most of the fight, and wins over Pete Williams, and Pedro Rizzo when he ran into Couture and Couture beat him for the title as well.

Pedro Rizzo was 11-1 with wins over Coleman, Abbott, Severn, and had just knocked out Josh Barnett when Couture beat him in back to back fights. Directly after Couture beat him Rizzo went on in his next fight to knock out Andre Arovski. Definetly the high point in Rizzo's career as well.

Chuck Liddell was on an absolute terror on a 10 fight win streak (the longest of his career) with wins over Monson, Randleman, Mezger, Belfort, and Babalu during that streak. Couture was 2 weeks away from being 40 years old, and completely dominated Liddell.

Tito Ortiz was the longest reigning UFC Champion in history. Was extremely dominant and considered a sure thing by a lot of people to wax the 40 year old Couture. Randy dominated and completely outclassed Tito for every minute of every round of their fight.

Tim Sylvia was also a dominant UFC Champion, like it or not. Was also definitely at the high point of his career. 23-2 with wins over the likes of Ricco Rodriquez, Mike Whitehead, Cabbage, Wes Sims, Silva, back to back wins over Arlovski and then a dominant win over Monson. Randy came out of retirement and absolutely dominated the man who was much larger than himself. Dominated Sylvia for every minute of every round of their fight as well. On their feet, and on the ground.


Now, if he was to also defeat Fedor as Fedor is at this point in time, that would simply be amazing, and yes he would go down as the greatest ever. Especially considering that he would have also had to beat Gabriel Gonzaga at the height of his career, coming off of a devastating knockout win over Cro-Cop as well.


Gonzaga was 1 big win, and you are assuming he is going to be a real threat for years to come. We dont know that.

[SweetScienceFan]

Gonzaga was 1 big win, and you are assuming he is going to be a real threat for years to come. We dont know that.
I must not have made my post very clear if that is all that you got out of it. I thought that it was pretty well stated. I certainly wasn't basing that post around a win over Gonzaga.

[ufoalf]

Not only would Couture have an amazing resume with wins over Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort, Kevin Randleman, Maurice Harris, Pedro Rizzo, Tim Sylvia, and Fedor Emelianenko, among others... it would be the fact that he beat them all when they were considered at the best in the career.

Vitor Belfort was labeled "the phenom", and was just melting through his competition in MMA before Couture shocked the world by dominating and stopping the undefeated Belfort.

Maurice Smith was at the high point of his career. He was the UFC Champion, and had just beat Mark Coleman and stopped Tank Abbott when Couture beat him.

Kevin Randleman was the UFC Champion and at the high point of his career as well. He was taking the UFC by storm with wins over Maurice Smith, a highly disputed loss to Bas Rutten where he controlled Bas for most of the fight, and wins over Pete Williams, and Pedro Rizzo when he ran into Couture and Couture beat him for the title as well.

Pedro Rizzo was 11-1 with wins over Coleman, Abbott, Severn, and had just knocked out Josh Barnett when Couture beat him in back to back fights. Directly after Couture beat him Rizzo went on in his next fight to knock out Andre Arovski. Definetly the high point in Rizzo's career as well.

Chuck Liddell was on an absolute terror on a 10 fight win streak (the longest of his career) with wins over Monson, Randleman, Mezger, Belfort, and Babalu during that streak. Couture was 2 weeks away from being 40 years old, and completely dominated Liddell.

Tito Ortiz was the longest reigning UFC Champion in history. Was extremely dominant and considered a sure thing by a lot of people to wax the 40 year old Couture. Randy dominated and completely outclassed Tito for every minute of every round of their fight.

Tim Sylvia was also a dominant UFC Champion, like it or not. Was also definitely at the high point of his career. 23-2 with wins over the likes of Ricco Rodriquez, Mike Whitehead, Cabbage, Wes Sims, Silva, back to back wins over Arlovski and then a dominant win over Monson. Randy came out of retirement and absolutely dominated the man who was much larger than himself. Dominated Sylvia for every minute of every round of their fight as well. On their feet, and on the ground.


Now, if he was to also defeat Fedor as Fedor is at this point in time, that would simply be amazing, and yes he would go down as the greatest ever. Especially considering that he would have also had to beat Gabriel Gonzaga at the height of his career, coming off of a devastating knockout win over Cro-Cop as well.

Like I've previously stated Randy's great wins are countered by his loses. What IS Randy's prime? For every highlight of his career he has loses. He's a solid fighter who fought great competition but he never went beyond the point of being great fighter to be considered GOAT.
Couture is not dominant wether u like it or not. With the scenerio in discussion its hard to come to conclusion. But i dont think Couture would be GOAT, i just think it cripples Fedor's GOAT resume.

My criteria for MMA GOAT would be dominance of top competition of different type of fighters showing versatility in that dominance.

[USMCGixxer6]

I must not have made my post very clear if that is all that you got out of it. I thought that it was pretty well stated. I certainly wasn't basing that post around a win over Gonzaga.

I know you werent, and it was a good post, but read the post above mine, ufoalf makes a damn good case

[SweetScienceFan]

Like I've previously stated Randy's great wins are countered by his loses. What IS Randy's prime? For every highlight of his career he has loses. He's a solid fighter who fought great competition but he never went beyond the point of being great fighter to be considered GOAT.
Couture is not dominant wether u like it or not. With the scenerio in discussion its hard to come to conclusion. But i dont think Couture would be GOAT, i just think it cripples Fedor's GOAT resume.

My criteria for MMA GOAT would be dominance of top competition of different type of fighters showing versatility in that dominance.
The point is that all fighters have losses, and if Fedor (the only top ATG worthy guy who that can be argued for) loses to Couture, it would shed light on the fact that maybe Fedor was so dominant, because of the quality of his opposition? His greatest wins are against Nog, and Cro-Cop. Cro-Cop has already been knocked out by a UFC up and comer, and NOG looked awful in his debut, almost getting knocked out himself. So, maybe the myth surrounding Pride having the greater fighters would simply be busted wide open even more? Fedor is awesome, and has a great resume, however we are dealing in the hypothetical situation that he comes over and loses to Couture.

[ufoalf]

Well, Pride's heavyweight being better is no myth. You don't really have to see the fights between UFC and Pride(EDIT*) to understand that. Myth is the part where its "better by a landslide".

In Nog's defense its kind of weird he came back from retirement. The guy is half blind. I'm glad i get to see him fight again but his performance isn't going to be top notch.

In that hypothetical situation, like i said, i think it hinders Fedor's chances to be GOAT a lot more than it gives Couture credit to be GOAT. There ARE other people who can be called GOAT :).

[BewareofDawg]

Also Nog had a bad performance against a former Pride Heavyweight.