View Full Version : Hatton is ducking Malignaggi
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 11:59 AM
And it is the smart thing to do. He is fighting PBF to avoid PM. I would have done the same.
Think about it. PBF and PM have some serious boxing skills. Very similar. If PBF schools Hatton like a lot o people say he will, then PM could also beat him, though not in the same fashion as PBF would but could still beat him.
So why in hell would he rather risk a 10M plus fight with PBF by fighting a guy that presents similar chalenges stylewise while making only about 3M and risking his biggest payday ever?
Hatton is a smart man. I am not saying he is afraid of him, just that they made a smart move. If Hatton thought he would beat PM easily, he would have fought him first, trust me.
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 12:01 PM
BTW, if PM was fighting at 147 now and was the mandatory for Cotto, he would rather fight PBF than a rematch with PM, for the same reasons. I think Cotto's camp took the PM fight thinking it would be an easier task.
Smith
08-05-2007, 12:04 PM
hahaha shut up
Sheehan
08-05-2007, 12:04 PM
And it is the smart thing to do. He is fighting PBF to avoid PM. I would have done the same.
Think about it. PBF and PM have some serious boxing skills. Very similar. If PBF schools Hatton like a lot o people say he will, then PM could also beat him, though not in the same fashion as PBF would but could still beat him.
So why in hell would he rather risk a 10M plus fight with PBF by fighting a guy that presents similar chalenges stylewise while making only about 3M and risking his biggest payday ever?
Hatton is a smart man. I am not saying he is afraid of him, just that they made a smart move. If Hatton thought he would beat PM easily, he would have fought him first, trust me.
you have a strange way of looking at things :-(
Smazz20
08-05-2007, 12:05 PM
You would of said the same if Hatton signed to fight Witter instead of Mayweather. Get off Paulie's nutsack.
King Dan
08-05-2007, 12:05 PM
Hatton unmercifully mauls and slaughters Malignaggi.
audio101
08-05-2007, 12:06 PM
I think you might have way to much time on your hands..:patsch
rendog67
08-05-2007, 12:07 PM
is this a joke anyone in boxing at any weight would relish a chance to fight floyd for money and legacy
jlrivera81
08-05-2007, 12:08 PM
that's one of the dumbest things i've heard. who ducks an easier opponent to take on arguably the top pound for pound fighter in the world? i dont think you can consider that ducking. not only is it a better business move, but it's a great move for his legacy if he were to win, whereas beating malignalli wouldnt do much for his legacy.
Muchmoore
08-05-2007, 12:10 PM
Yeah he's ducking Zoolander by fighting the undefeated number 1 p4p in the world. Makes sense I can see the logic in that :lol:
rendog67
08-05-2007, 12:13 PM
this is one of the dumbest posts ive ever read and must be a joke
BigReg
08-05-2007, 12:13 PM
I think what he's saying is that Malignaggi and Floyd both present stylistic matchup problems for him. However, he'll fight Floyd because it would represent a career high payday, and people wouldn't knock Hatton for losing the fight. If Hatton were to fight Malignaggi, it would be for far less money, and being that people would expect him to win, his reputation would take a hit if he were to lose.
rendog67
08-05-2007, 12:15 PM
it has been quoted that the PBF fight has been over a year in the making so if this is a serious post i do not think he is ducking and if hatton wins he may well take this fight in the future if it makes sense.
Smith
08-05-2007, 12:20 PM
Though Paulie is a slick and skilled boxer, i would not want to see what Hatton would do to him in the ring. It would be brutal
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 12:30 PM
I think what he's saying is that Malignaggi and Floyd both present stylistic matchup problems for him. However, he'll fight Floyd because it would represent a career high payday, and people wouldn't knock Hatton for losing the fight. If Hatton were to fight Malignaggi, it would be for far less money, and being that people would expect him to win, his reputation would take a hit if he were to lose.
Thank you vey much. ALl the Hatton manlove dont let some people in here read a post with reason.
1. Hatton is not afraid of PM
2. PM and PBF fight very similar, they both have extremelly fast hands and movement (legs)
3. Even though Hatton has a lot better chance in beating PM than PBF, the dfference in payday does not warrant fighting PM first risking the 10 to 15 million he will make fighting PBF.
If I was Hatton's promoter I would have done the same thing. Take the harder fight and secure enough money to retire if you want.
You guys get ratteled up because I used the work "ducking". If I said he chose PBF, you guys wuld not think it was a dumb post. So I chose the word "duck" for a reason, and it worked :p
And I am a Cotto fan, and if it was Cotto in Hatton's shoes right now I would have the same reasoning. Cotto took on PM, thinking it would be an easier fight. People in here talk a lot about the Judah fight with Cotto, but PM won more rounds vs Cotto. Cotto only beat him by like 2 or 3 rounds at the most.
Cotto would have an easier time vs Torres in a rematch than against PM. Vs Torres, Cotto made mistakes that cost him, almost his title. Against PM he didnt make mistakes, its just that PM is tht good. Maybe 2 years from now, you guys will agree with me.
HECDAWG
08-05-2007, 12:51 PM
Hatton would beat the highlights out Malignaggi's hair.
Stinky gloves
08-05-2007, 12:52 PM
You right and Hatton is ducking Margarito too, the most avoided man in the planet!
You know Cotto will duck Margarito too by fighting Mosley.
chewy 22
08-05-2007, 12:57 PM
if PM had that same hidiously biased referee in the Ndou fight then hes got a chance, however, if he keeps trash talking Hatton, he'll never get him, just out of spite Hatton wont fight him
warrior85
08-05-2007, 01:17 PM
And it is the smart thing to do. He is fighting PBF to avoid PM. I would have done the same.
Think about it. PBF and PM have some serious boxing skills. Very similar. If PBF schools Hatton like a lot o people say he will, then PM could also beat him, though not in the same fashion as PBF would but could still beat him.
So why in hell would he rather risk a 10M plus fight with PBF by fighting a guy that presents similar chalenges stylewise while making only about 3M and risking his biggest payday ever?
Hatton is a smart man. I am not saying he is afraid of him, just that they made a smart move. If Hatton thought he would beat PM easily, he would have fought him first, trust me.
haha thats funny.
Brickhaus
08-05-2007, 01:24 PM
Are you retarded?
Alo2006
08-05-2007, 01:26 PM
And it is the smart thing to do. He is fighting PBF to avoid PM. I would have done the same.
Think about it. PBF and PM have some serious boxing skills. Very similar. If PBF schools Hatton like a lot o people say he will, then PM could also beat him, though not in the same fashion as PBF would but could still beat him.
So why in hell would he rather risk a 10M plus fight with PBF by fighting a guy that presents similar chalenges stylewise while making only about 3M and risking his biggest payday ever?
Hatton is a smart man. I am not saying he is afraid of him, just that they made a smart move. If Hatton thought he would beat PM easily, he would have fought him first, trust me.
:patsch I'm not a Hatton fan at all, but how can u say he's ducking Malignaggi, when he's fighting a more dangerous fight with Mayweather. So are u saying Malignaggi is better than Mayweather? This is irresponsible thinking at best. :-(
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 01:40 PM
:patsch I'm not a Hatton fan at all, but how can u say he's ducking Malignaggi, when he's fighting a more dangerous fight with Mayweather. So are u saying Malignaggi is better than Mayweather? This is irresponsible thinking at best. :-(
Dude, no.
PBF is A LOT better than PM. Hatton is fighting a way more dangerous fight for him by fighting PBF instead of PM.
SO?
My statement still holds true. He is ducking PM because he can lose that fight. He can lose both fights. He has like a 100% more chance of beating PM than beating PBF, yes. But he choses to fight PBF because he knows PM can UD him, and if that hapenned, he would not make over 10 million fighting PBF. As a matter of fact, if he fought PM and won, it wouldnt make his fight against PBF any more atractive.
It is a smart desicion on his part. Im not putting him down for it. You guys are funny. Atacking me for saying the truth like if i was talking against Hatton, Im not.
Brickhaus
08-05-2007, 01:42 PM
It's just not ducking, period, when you take on a better fighter for more money. PERIOD.
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 01:46 PM
It's just not ducking, period, when you take on a better fighter for more money. PERIOD.
Well the negative conception in boxing of the word "ducking" has all of you rateled up. He chose to fight PBF because PM is a dangerous fight that he can lose making not even half what he will make now. PBF is a more dangerous fight for him, (I think Hatton has a chance in there BTW) but with the amount of $ he will make, its a risk worth taking, unlike PM.
grayggr
08-05-2007, 01:59 PM
Well the negative conception in boxing of the word "ducking" has all of you rateled up. He chose to fight PBF because PM is a dangerous fight that he can lose making not even half what he will make now. PBF is a more dangerous fight for him, (I think Hatton has a chance in there BTW) but with the amount of $ he will make, its a risk worth taking, unlike PM.
Stop trying to explain your reasoning regarding 'ducking', the upshot is you lost all respect by indicating Paulie would beat Hatton. That in itself is the problem.
Lampley
08-05-2007, 02:04 PM
This is one of the more amusing troll attempts on the board lately.
You see, Tu Papa, when you say that Hatton's camp made a good decision to bypass Paulie for Floyd, you imply that against some other -- presumably easier -- opponent, Hatton's people actually would have turned down a fight against Mayweather to take on that guy first.
That is a patently ludicrous suggestion.
By the same logic, Kessler is ducking Sakio Bika to fight Calzaghe, and Pavlik is ducking Sergio Mora to fight Taylor. How these matchups compare is immaterial. The point is that Calzaghe, Taylor and Mayweather are the destination opponents for their division, in terms of legacy and (far more importantly) money, and fighting them trumps all else.
You can't seriously believe what you've posted. I hope.
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 02:31 PM
Stop trying to explain your reasoning regarding 'ducking', the upshot is you lost all respect by indicating Paulie would beat Hatton. That in itself is the problem.
I think PM beats Hatton, yes. And you say I lost respect for that? :rofl :rofl
Your respect? HAHAHAHA keep it.
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 02:33 PM
This is one of the more amusing troll attempts on the board lately.
You see, Tu Papa, when you say that Hatton's camp made a good decision to bypass Paulie for Floyd, you imply that against some other -- presumably easier -- opponent, Hatton's people actually would have turned down a fight against Mayweather to take on that guy first.
You are right. That is what I think. If there was another big money fight for him, which he would be sure of winning, he would take it instead of fighting PBF.
Lampley
08-05-2007, 02:39 PM
You are right. That is what I think. If there was another big money fight for him, which he would be sure of winning, he would take it instead of fighting PBF.
You realize that such a move would defy precedent, logic and all of that, right? Hatton's people would need a sanity check to turn down the fight against Floyd. Rejecting the bigger money and bigger fame fight for a lesser light is the epitome of ducking. Taking the fight now for Hatton is the obvious, correct thing to do, at least in terms of payday and legacy.
What you assert is extremely bold -- you might say, ludicrous -- and you'll pardon me if I don't find your "Trust me" to be very compelling evidence that it's actually the case.
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 02:42 PM
You realize that such a move would defy precedent, logic and all of that, right? Hatton's people would need a sanity check to turn down the fight against Floyd. Rejecting the bigger money and bigger fame fight for a lesser light is the epitome of ducking. Taking the fight now for Hatton is the obvious, correct thing to do, at least in terms of payday and legacy.
What you assert is extremely bold -- you might say, ludicrous -- and you'll pardon me if I don't find your "Trust me" to be very compelling evidence that it's actually the case.
Hmmm. Well said. Good points, unlike some other kids in here that cant discuss anything without the "You are dumb, end of argument"
Lampley
08-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Hmmm. Well said. Good points, unlike some other kids in here that cant discuss anything without the "You are dumb, end of argument"
Fair enough. I'm genuinely curious why you believe this to be the case. I know Ricky backed off the fight previously, but he's at the shit-or-get-off-the-pot point in his career, and he has to take it this time. If he turned it down, the catcalling would be merciless.
I agree Paulie is a tough fight for anyone, but I think Cotto and Hatton are too physical for him, and they'd exploit his lack of power.
s0lace
08-05-2007, 03:32 PM
First post to the board (long time lurker) and already I'm gonna have to put my flame suit on...
but I agree with Tu Papa, and not because I'm a PM "nuthugger," although I am a fan of his-
I think "ducking" might be the wrong word to use, but Hatton's definitely taking the "smarter" fight in PBF.
Simply put, Hatton has MORE to lose and LESS to gain by fighting PM (a guy who presents a similar boxing style to PBF, albeit a lot less potent- and who is definitely very dangerous and could beat him). If he wins, so what? He was supposed to, it doesn't make him more attractive to PBF or any of the big names, and the payday will be considerably less. AND what if he loses? He probably NEVER gets that shot against PBF.
Now turn it around...
Hatton has MORE to gain and LESS to lose by fighting PBF right now. If he loses, so what? He was supposed to. Even if he DOES lose, he still gets a huge payday! If he (by some miracle) wins the fight, then that sets up a super huge rematch payday for him in the future and establishes his legacy in boxing...
In sum, why would Hatton EVER want to fight PM right now (a fight he could certainly lose and ruin the prime/twilight, whatever you think he's in, of his career), instead of PBF?
LeedsLad
08-05-2007, 03:33 PM
Hatton must be the first fighter in history to take on the #1 P4P fighter in the world and still get accused of ducking:lol::lol::lol:
Bazooka
08-05-2007, 03:36 PM
What the fuck ever Pauli cant punch his way through a wet paper bag
s0lace
08-05-2007, 03:40 PM
What the fuck ever Pauli cant punch his way through a wet paper bag
:lol: That's true, but there's a chance he could UD Hatton
Beebs
08-05-2007, 03:42 PM
Hatton would put Malignaggi on a fucking stretcher.
LeedsLad
08-05-2007, 03:42 PM
Hatton would put a beating on Paulie just like Cotto did.
Maxmomer
08-05-2007, 03:44 PM
You are dumb, end of argument.
the mean machine
08-05-2007, 03:55 PM
Hatton must be the first fighter in history to take on the #1 P4P fighter in the world and still get accused of ducking:lol::lol::lol:
Apparently according to the logic of the original poster, you must face 20 fighters at the same time, so you don't get accused of ducking.
Either that or he does not know the meaning of ducking.
David UK
08-05-2007, 04:28 PM
You are right. That is what I think. If there was another big money fight for him, which he would be sure of winning, he would take it instead of fighting PBF.
Ever heard of the expression 'when in a hole, stop digging'?
Your embarrassment is complete!!:scaredas:
Lampley
08-05-2007, 04:32 PM
First post to the board (long time lurker) and already I'm gonna have to put my flame suit on...
.....
In sum, why would Hatton EVER want to fight PM right now (a fight he could certainly lose and ruin the prime/twilight, whatever you think he's in, of his career), instead of PBF?
All that may be true, but to me it sounds like a Sky is Blue argument. Why in the world would Hatton even consider fighting someone other than Floyd?
We might as well discuss why Pavlik should opt for Taylor instead of Mora. I don't understand why any analysis is required -- it's stating the obvious.
s0lace
08-05-2007, 04:38 PM
All that may be true, but to me it sounds like a Sky is Blue argument. Why in the world would Hatton even consider fighting someone other than Floyd?
We might as well discuss why Pavlik should opt for Taylor instead of Mora. I don't understand why any analysis is required -- it's stating the obvious.
Right, and some can misconstrue/that that to mean that to be he's (whether it's hatton, or pavlik) "ducking" another fighter, regardless of if it's true. The fact of the matter is, we will never know what's going on in Hatton's head, so it's useless to 'argue' about it.
The real question here is when will PBF give Williams, Cotto, or SSM a shot? Instead of continuing to fight the big paydays that he knows he can win : )
BigReg
08-05-2007, 04:39 PM
All that may be true, but to me it sounds like a Sky is Blue argument. Why in the world would Hatton even consider fighting someone other than Floyd?
We might as well discuss why Pavlik should opt for Taylor instead of Mora. I don't understand why any analysis is required -- it's stating the obvious.
Oscar De La Hoya
Lampley
08-05-2007, 04:41 PM
Oscar De La Hoya
Touche. I guess I'm just thinking of who's available at the present time.
grayggr
08-05-2007, 04:54 PM
I think PM beats Hatton, yes. And you say I lost respect for that? :rofl :rofl
Your respect? HAHAHAHA keep it.
I will.
Hatton is a league above the Magic Man. 'Trust Me'.
Tu papa
08-05-2007, 04:58 PM
First post to the board (long time lurker) and already I'm gonna have to put my flame suit on...
but I agree with Tu Papa, and not because I'm a PM "nuthugger," although I am a fan of his-
I think "ducking" might be the wrong word to use, but Hatton's definitely taking the "smarter" fight in PBF.
Simply put, Hatton has MORE to lose and LESS to gain by fighting PM (a guy who presents a similar boxing style to PBF, albeit a lot less potent- and who is definitely very dangerous and could beat him). If he wins, so what? He was supposed to, it doesn't make him more attractive to PBF or any of the big names, and the payday will be considerably less. AND what if he loses? He probably NEVER gets that shot against PBF.
Now turn it around...
Hatton has MORE to gain and LESS to lose by fighting PBF right now. If he loses, so what? He was supposed to. Even if he DOES lose, he still gets a huge payday! If he (by some miracle) wins the fight, then that sets up a super huge rematch payday for him in the future and establishes his legacy in boxing...
In sum, why would Hatton EVER want to fight PM right now (a fight he could certainly lose and ruin the prime/twilight, whatever you think he's in, of his career), instead of PBF?
Thank you. This is exactly my point.
And yes, I would bet on PM to UD Hatton. Would get great odds too.
s0lace
08-05-2007, 05:03 PM
And yes, I would bet on PM to UD Hatton. Would get great odds too.
You might get your wish someday, what happens with PBF UD's Hatton? Hatton will need someone to fight.... unless he retires (doubt it)... so PM could become a real posibility (assuming he wins his TBA fall fight, which he should). That is, unless he decides to duck PM again ;)
rustyj
08-05-2007, 05:46 PM
No fuckin way. Paulie left the ring against cotto lookin less handsome. Afta he leaves it with Ricky, he'll be lookin like sumfin ricky shits out afta one of his drink and kebab binges.
Hatton needs to start ducking Ronald Mc Donald and the Burger King instead, they do more damage to him than Malignaggi ever will.
Toopretty
08-05-2007, 05:52 PM
I give hatton the nod against paulie but paulie can beat him. Paulie went all the way with cotto and cotto is more of a beast then hatton. If Paulie went 12 with cotto he has nothing at all to fear from hatton. Though paulie looks like zoolander, he is a tough mother fucker that aint going down from no hatton shots. Paulie just doesnt have the punch to get hattons respect but could for sure box his ass up.
Toopretty
08-05-2007, 05:54 PM
Hold up...All this dumb ass talk about what Hatton would do b/c Cotto did it. Cotto hits way fucking harder then hatton. Hatton cannot even punch at 147 and Cotto is demolishing guys up there. WOW
the mean machine
08-05-2007, 05:54 PM
When you fight a guy who's considered the best fighter in the world, no matter who he could have faced instead, you can't call it ducking.
the_churn
08-05-2007, 06:09 PM
Can you imagine how much Hatton would be mocked for taking on yet another feather fist right now if he took a fight with PM? I know I would be doing it.
Hold up...All this dumb ass talk about what Hatton would do b/c Cotto did it. Cotto hits way fucking harder then hatton. Hatton cannot even punch at 147 and Cotto is demolishing guys up there. WOW
malignaggi fights at 140 and hatton is a beast and the man at 140. it's debatable who would win at 140 between hatton and cotto, but hatton batters malignaggi.
igotJUIC3
08-05-2007, 06:50 PM
this is out right stupidity to say this man is ducking Malignaggi.....i dont even like Hatton but the man is fighting the number 1 p4p fighter and is in for a huge fight.......hell he even had ODh after him.....he has way better fights then some young gun calling him out....please...maybe after the PBF fight if he takes a lesser opponent then maybe ducking but right now....that would be the dumbest remark to say.
knockout
08-05-2007, 06:52 PM
Maybe he ducking him because he wants to fight the best.:patsch
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