Pacman fans are the worst( his nuthuggers)

[DoumB]

Do these guys understand that before Pac VS morales triology that Erik was actualy a lot better? they cant stand the fact that their boy lost to a fading Erik and beat him twice when he was clearly shot, hell look at the raheem fight, raheem completly ridiculised erik and he sure aint not elite fighter(hes a good fighter tho) and u have those ridiculous claims on how pac is the only one to ever drop Morales and dominate him, hey guys time to wake up, morales as been shot since the first Morales Pac fight, the fight with raheem is all u need to see, it was b4 Pac-Morales 2.


:patsch

[Circa]

erik?

[PJ]

erik?

Hindi...


Sa'an ang nuthuggers ng Pacquiao?

[DoumB]

erik?

? I think if uve been here long enough u no I'm not a biased fan of either Pac or morales, I just cant stand their hypocrisy

[Circa]

? I think if uve been here long enough u no I'm not a biased fan of either Pac or morales, I just cant stand their hypocrisy

erik?

[DoumB]

erik?

Manny?

[Circa]

Manny?

erik?

[johnco]

hell no.

pac just dismantled eric. it was not expected because many thought eric was too good. in reality, pac made the good morales amateurish. PAC IS JUST TOO GOOD FOR EM. bottomline pac dismantled em and made him fade away :good

[kg0208]

hell no.

pac just dismantled eric. it was not expected because many thought eric was too good. in reality, pac made the good morales amateurish. PAC IS JUST TOO GOOD FOR EM. bottomline pac dismantled em and made him fade away :good

So how do you account for the Raheem fight BEFORE Pacman beat him?

BTW, Barrera has more to do with Morales fading and vice versa. Pacman contributed, but Barrera fought him 3 times before Pacman did.

[Boom_Boom]

I like turtles

[ravtrav]

I Believe Morales Was Shot In The Second Fight. But You Can't Discredit Pac For The Tko.

[johnco]

So how do you account for the Raheem fight BEFORE Pacman beat him?

BTW, Barrera has more to do with Morales fading and vice versa. Pacman contributed, but Barrera fought him 3 times before Pacman did.

so how do you account em going to heavier weight when he fought raheem? that is not even his teritory!!!

mab has some contribution to em. but mab wins over em is UD. it is not a thorough destruction. pac destroyed em. NOT A "THANK YOU" UD :-(:-(

so in reality, em just met a caliber of a bulldozer. pac made him fade away. :yep:deal

[kg0208]

so how do you account em going to heavier weight when he fought raheem? that is not even his teritory!!!

mab has some contribution to em. but mab wins over em is UD. it is not a thorough destruction. pac destroyed em. NOT A "THANK YOU" UD :-(:-(

so in reality, em just met a caliber of a bulldozer. pac made him fade away. :yep:deal

LMAO....MAB and Morales were involved in BRUTAL fights with each other. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Morales moved up to fight Raheem because he can barely make 130...he can barely make 135. His body hasn't been the same for a while. Actually, his moving up only validates my point even more.

Point is, he lost before Pacman beat him. 2 of his last 3 fights before Pacman beat him. You guys need to stay consistant.

[PH|LLA]

Stupid thread. Yesterday a shot morales moved up to 135 for the first time and took on a title holder and lost a very close fight that could've gone either way. Pacquiao decimated him in 10, then 3 rounds, and is the only fighter to ever knock Morales down.

Also don't forget that in the first fight, Pacquiao lost by 1 round and suffered a big cut on his forehead due to a headbutt.

Pacquiao gets no respect for his accomplishments. The Morales he beat was better than the Morales we saw yesterday fight a close fight against a 135 title holder.

[rr94]

hell no.

pac just dismantled eric. it was not expected because many thought eric was too good. in reality, pac made the good morales amateurish. PAC IS JUST TOO GOOD FOR EM. bottomline pac dismantled em and made him fade away :good

and now pac is going to "dismantle" a shot barerra when he SHOULD be fighting Marquez...EM was shot before first Pac fight, and it was downhill from there. First Pac fight EM won, i didnt see him dismantled, but he still was not nearly as sharp as the first two Barerra fights.

[Bazooka]

Do these guys understand that before Pac VS morales triology that Erik was actualy a lot better? they cant stand the fact that their boy lost to a fading Erik and beat him twice when he was clearly shot, hell look at the raheem fight, raheem completly ridiculised erik and he sure aint not elite fighter(hes a good fighter tho) and u have those ridiculous claims on how pac is the only one to ever drop Morales and dominate him, hey guys time to wake up, morales as been shot since the first Morales Pac fight, the fight with raheem is all u need to see, it was b4 Pac-Morales 2.


:patsch


They aint no fucking different than you Klitschko nuthuggers infact Pacquiao fans have a right to act the way they do, lets be straight atleast Pacquiao is fighting the best out there when is the last time either Klitschko has done that?

[rr94]

I Believe Morales Was Shot In The Second Fight. But You Can't Discredit Pac For The Tko.

you're not biased...its not like you have Pac pic in your avatar or nothin...Pac nuthuggers are the worst.

[rr94]

Paraan pacquiao ay isa ng ang talunin , siya paluin sigla at bariles at maging dapat pagpitaganan dahil sa kagagawan pagayon kumuha mula sa puno ito.

speak english.

[Lance_Uppercut]

They may be bad, but you can add PimpC and Bigtime9 to the list as well....

[kg0208]

So what's your point, KG? Are you saying we should invalidate that win because Morales is shot? Or should we qualify the win of Pac or loss w/ Morales w/ an asterisk which says "*Morales already shot."

IMO, regardless whether Morales was shot or not, a win is a win which recognized by ranking body as such.

My point is within the context of this thread. What is the point of Pacman's fans coming into the thread and saying he wasn't shot? The context of the thread.

Did I say his win doesn't count? No....and for the record, I believe Morales was faded when he lost to MAB the 2nd time AND when he beat Pacman. He just put in a great effort.

[rr94]

Stupid thread. Yesterday a shot morales moved up to 135 for the first time and took on a title holder and lost a very close fight that could've gone either way. Pacquiao decimated him in 10, then 3 rounds, and is the only fighter to ever knock Morales down.

Also don't forget that in the first fight, Pacquiao lost by 1 round and suffered a big cut on his forehead due to a headbutt.

Pacquiao gets no respect for his accomplishments. The Morales he beat was better than the Morales we saw yesterday fight a close fight against a 135 title holder.

diaz is a joke, and he only took the fight because he wanted a title from someone whom posed no real problems. He would have been KO'd by the other 2 Diaz's or Casamayor...the real champs...

[ravtrav]

you're not biased...its not like you have Pac pic in your avatar or nothin...Pac nuthuggers are the worst.WHAT PART OF THAT MADE ME A NUTHUGGER:huh MORALES' CHIN WASN'T SHOT

[rr94]

They aint no fucking different than you Klitschko nuthuggers infact Pacquiao fans have a right to act the way they do, lets be straight atleast Pacquiao is fighting the best out there when is the last time either Klitschko has done that?

i don't really consider:

solis the best.
a shot Morales (Who even Freddie Roach before the rubbermatch said was shot) coming off a loss the Raheem the best.
and now a shot Barerra(coming off a loss) the best...

and if he was so great for boxing, tell him next time to not sign two contracts and throw his career in limbo, and then go run for an election he was going to lose.

wheres the Guzman fight and Marquez rematch?

[johnco]

LMAO....MAB and Morales were involved in BRUTAL fights with each other. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Morales moved up to fight Raheem because he can barely make 130...he can barely make 135. His body hasn't been the same for a while. Actually, his moving up only validates my point even more.

Point is, he lost before Pacman beat him. 2 of his last 3 fights before Pacman beat him. You guys need to stay consistant.

you are getting so dumb i cant stop laughing. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
first of all there is no denying mab-em trilogy was a brutal one. correct! :good
secondly, your excuse of em moving up is hohum. if he really wants to stay at 135, then after the lost he should have stayed there because you said hes better in that weight :hey

thirdly, em didnt kissed the canvass before. even the great mab couldnt do it. :yep and you know who did it for him :deal

point is.... em met a guy who is just too good for him. he made him fade away.

and of course an amateur pacquiao whooped the prime MAB :good
if you know where this thread is going, then you should have figured out that pacquiao whooped a prime mab and made em kissed the canvass for the first time. pacquiao is just too good for them :deal

[rr94]

Are you putting down Morales for taking this fight w/ Diaz? Diaz therefore is a revelation because he put up a good fight and won. :good

no, im saying, against an ELITE fighter Erik would have lost. He is shot.

He did great, i feel he won, but i feel he has been shot. He lost 5 of his last 6. Sorry buddy, thats a shot fighter.

[rr94]

you are getting so dumb i cant stop laughing. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
first of all there is no denying mab-em trilogy was a brutal one. correct! :good
secondly, your excuse of em moving up is hohum. if he really wants to stay at 135, then after the lost he should have stayed there because you said hes better in that weight :hey

thirdly, em didnt kissed the canvass before. even the great mab couldnt do it. :yep and you know who did it for him :deal

point is.... em met a guy who is just too good for him. he made him fade away.

and of course an amateur pacquiao whooped the prime MAB :good
if you know where this thread is going, then you should have figured out that pacquiao whooped a prime mab and made em kissed the canvass for the first time. pacquiao is just too good for them :deal

Barerra fight i give credit for (the first one, not this new garbage ducking Marquez and Guzman). But, training camp was disturbed by the fire, and MAB looked not properly conditioned, i still give PAc credit for it. But i think you smoked too many cigarettes as a baby not to recognize that the reflexes, precision, movement, and snap in Morales' punches drastically reduced after 3rd MAB fight. Pacquiao got outpointed by a past-prime Morales, and then KO'd a shot Morales, twice.

[rr94]

What will you say the same thing to Marquez if Pac beat him next time? Btw, boxing is about money. Barrera-Pacman fight will definitely bring in more money that Marquez-Pacman fight. Marquez is not a big draw.

If Pac beats Marquez i give him all the respect and credit in the world.

Ya know what, i'll shut my mouth if he fights Guzman and Marquez in his next two fights. Win or Lose.

I just bet it's more likely he signs two more contracts with two different promoters, runs for another election, and then fights Humberto Soto to "get revenge for his brother" oohhhh ahhhhh who gives a shit.

But on a serious note, those two fights, and i respect Pac a little more like his nuthuggers, but im not too high on him. I was high on him before the EM trilogy and Solis fights.

[DoumB]

This is addressed to the dumb threadstarter, I suppose. :lol::lol::lol:

U call ME dumb? I think you should ask about your credibility in here b4 calling me dumb, the point of the thread is to prove how hypocrite pac man fans are, u see Pac is a great fighter no denying this, but when the fight with morales is mentionned u hear those lame comments on how PAC destroyed em and that he made him hit the canvas, what u dont get is that u can CLEARLY see EM fading in between the first and second fights and that is badly fading, even between the 3rd fight with MAB, prime example are the fight with raheem.

If thats being dumb then I guess I clearly dont no wich world u live in.

[rr94]

Definitely, Erik would have lost and he lost the fight w/ second rate Diaz, didn't he? He took the fight because of legacy. He did his best but it was not enough to impress the judges which by the way one of which was a Mexican.
I believe 135 is not the ideal weight division he should fight in.

He can barely make 130 anymore. Remeber the Pac rubbermatch? The fitness guru's and all that. His body can make and fight at the weight, he can;t take the shots. He said it himself.

A more polished fighter would have finished him. Casamayor, Juan Diaz, or Julio Diaz. The fight was for legacy, yes, but he cherrypicked a paper champ. Casamayor is the real champ, he was stripped, he is the linear champ...and a fuck load harder to beat.

[johnco]

Barerra fight i give credit for (the first one, not this new garbage ducking Marquez and Guzman). But, training camp was disturbed by the fire, and MAB looked not properly conditioned, i still give PAc credit for it. But i think you smoked too many cigarettes as a baby not to recognize that the reflexes, precision, movement, and snap in Morales' punches drastically reduced after 3rd MAB fight. Pacquiao got outpointed by a past-prime Morales, and then KO'd a shot Morales, twice.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::patsch:patsch:patsch

so was the their a fire in the gym too?? or mab was training on top of the trees? :lol: if mab was training on top of the trees and his ass was burned, then ill take your excuse :good
1 eyed pac got outpointed definitely. nothing special. but PACQUAIO made em kissed the canvass for the first time in his career. pac is just too good i guess. and for the smoking. i dont smoke. emphysema is not cool. i do just appreciate the art :good

[acb]

Wow! Barrera earned another asterisk for his loss w/ Pac. Therefore in Boxrec, his loss w/ Pac should be qualified w/ an asterisk (*LOSS - Forest Fire).
Same w/ Morales record in Boxrec : *LOSS - Morales is already shot.

Excuses... excuses....

And wasnt it you that said Pac lost a fight early in his career due to his socks not fitting or something like that?

[rr94]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::patsch:patsch:patsch

so was the their a fire in the gym too?? or mab was training on top of the trees? :lol: if mab was training on top of the trees and his ass was burned, then ill take your excuse :good
1 eyed pac got outpointed definitely. nothing special. but PACQUAIO made em kissed the canvass for the first time in his career. pac is just too good i guess. and for the smoking. i dont smoke. emphysema is not cool. i do just appreciate the art :good

smoking comment = your avatar

fire = relocation took a week off the camp

and i said i gave Pac credit for that win.

Now lets address his other opponents afterwards:
Oscar Larios (coming off a loss)
Jorge Solis (opponent b4 Pac was 9-3)
Hector Velazquez (42-10-2 and never won a title)
3K Battery (who??? havent heard of him before or after)
Erik Morales (beat him once, lost twice, was shot the whole time)
Marquez (a DRAW, with 2-3 extra points from 3 1st round KD's...meaning Marquez figured him out and outboxed him, and Pac STILL hasn't made the rematch)

Pacquiao is the GREATEST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rr94]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::patsch:patsch:patsch

so was the their a fire in the gym too?? or mab was training on top of the trees? :lol: if mab was training on top of the trees and his ass was burned, then ill take your excuse :good
1 eyed pac got outpointed definitely. nothing special. but PACQUAIO made em kissed the canvass for the first time in his career. pac is just too good i guess. and for the smoking. i dont smoke. emphysema is not cool. i do just appreciate the art :good

smoking comment = your avatar

fire = relocation took a week off the camp

and i said i gave Pac credit for that win.

Now lets address his other opponents afterwards:
Oscar Larios (coming off a loss)
Jorge Solis (opponent b4 Pac was 9-3)
Hector Velazquez (42-10-2 and never won a title)
3K Battery (who??? havent heard of him before or after)
Erik Morales (beat him once, lost twice, was shot the whole time)
Marquez (a DRAW, with 2-3 extra points from 3 1st round KD's...meaning Marquez figured him out and outboxed him, and Pac STILL hasn't made the rematch)

Pacquiao is the GREATEST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rr94]

Pac nuthuggers....officially worse than Floyd nuthuggers....i guess this thread proved the point.

[DoumB]

Pac nuthuggers....officially worse than Floyd nuthuggers....i guess this thread proved the point.

exactly

[DoumB]

That you are dumb by posting this thread is my opinion. Offering excuses for Morales who was clearly beaten by Pac is testimonial of my assessment of you. If he is shot, why did the boxing authorities allowed him to box in the first place. If he was fading boxer, is that the fault of Pac or his fans. In boxing, what counts is the results, not excuses for a boxer's loss. So what if we mentioned that Pac detroyed EM and made him hit the canvass the first time? Isn't the truth? A painful one at that.

that is where u dont get it, i do not make excuse for EM, his fans can do it but i only point to you guys the truth, wich u cant seem to handle very well

[DoumB]

Doumb Thread= Dumb :D Thread

well that wasnt really funny u no:huh

[The Game]

will every one stop using the words nuthuggers

[rr94]

funny how nobody jumped in to defend the credibility of all of Pac's opponents after Marquez bout....

[rr94]

will every one stop using the words nuthuggers
NUTHUGGGERRRRRR
NUTHUGGGERRRRRR
NUTHUGGGERRRRRR
NUTHUGGGERRRRRR
NUTHUGGGERRRRRR
NUTHUGGGERRRRRR

nuthugger.

[DoumB]

They aint no fucking different than you Klitschko nuthuggers infact Pacquiao fans have a right to act the way they do, lets be straight atleast Pacquiao is fighting the best out there when is the last time either Klitschko has done that?

huh, now im a klitshcko nuthugger?:huh wtf is this shit now:rofl

and if u wanna discusss their quality opponent just start a thread, if u think wlad could fight better fighters or no I do not realy care

[rr94]

huh, now im a klitshcko nuthugger?:huh wtf is this shit now:rofl

and if u wanna discusss their quality opponent just start a thread, if u think wlad could fight better fighters or no I do not realy care

yeah that dude was an idiot. Klitschko is the BEST heavy in the world, his competition and win streak over that level of comp is better than anyone in the division. Peter, Brock, Byrd....all top 10 heavies when they fought (or champions in Byrd's case, who was the longest reigning champ at the time).

[DoumB]

Your opinion actually does not matter. It's the results that count which are recorded by boxing authorities. If it is a win, it's a win... loss a loss. No qualification whether the boxer is shot or not. I do hope you understand this.

yep and I never questionned that, I only pointed out the fact that EM was shot, is it that hard to understand, and u can say what u want about those wins but dont expect ppl to think those were THAT much impressive wins,(in fact I think the fact that Manny stopped him in 3 is kinda impressive tho)

[rr94]

Your opinion actually does not matter. It's the results that count which are recorded by boxing authorities. If it is a win, it's a win... loss a loss. No qualification whether the boxer is shot or not. I do hope you understand this.

5 out of 6 fights are losses. He's shot. I dont need Bert Sugar to tell me that, and if you do, your an idiot.

[DoumB]

who's that guy in your avatar that you're nuthugging? is that gatti? :D

how old r u?

[rr94]

who's that guy in your avatar that you're nuthugging? is that gatti? :D

wtf? just die.

[DoumB]

Does it matter?

actualy if ur older then 16 it does.

[rr94]

So, you're Klitschko nuthugger after all and you think you're the BEST NUTHUGGER in town?:lol::lol::lol:

no, i dont even like klitschko, im just proving a point. You realize you just sound dumber the more you reply. And you only reply to my posts that don't bury your boy in shit because i'm right.

[rr94]

we're down to one last nuthugger, domngo, who doesnt even mention Pac because all his points were shot down and he's left making stupid comments about nothing related to the post.

[H .]

we're down to one last nuthugger, domngo, who doesnt even mention Pac because all his points were shot down and he's left making stupid comments about nothing related to the post.

what else is new.

...but hey, where's all the hate coming from? why take away from pacman now? he won't lose any time soon. i won't bet against him.

[kg0208]

if he really wants to stay at 135, then after the lost he should have stayed there because you said hes better in that weight :hey
Learn to read kid. I said Morales could barely make 130...then I said he could also barely make 135. No where did I say that he was better at 135.

The MAB trilogy took alot out of Morales and Barrera. Period, end of discussion. MAB couldn't make him kiss the canvas? So....MAB is not some dynamite puncher. So what was your point?

[Bazooka]

huh, now im a klitshcko nuthugger?:huh wtf is this shit now:rofl

and if u wanna discusss their quality opponent just start a thread, if u think wlad could fight better fighters or no I do not realy care

Nope didnt say that I said that Klitschko nuthuggers are far worse, yes you can state that a fading Morales beat Manny, TRUE, However he had to sneak in teh Winnings gloves in the contract to get it done, while at the same time take the fight with Pacquiao when he had all sorts of trouble going on behind the scenes, such as Murad ripping him off, new promoters left and right trying to sign the kid it was too much they barley found out about the gloves days before the fight, and beleive me that alone is really what made the difference in the fight, Had Manny used Reyes gloves Morales would have been on his ass.
Morales BTW only won the fight by a single round its not like he dominated Manny.

[rr94]

You just praised him to high heavens, dude. You better make up your mind. So how do you define a nuthugger then?

I pointed out he's the CONSENSUS best Heavy in the world.

A nuthugger is a FAN who regardless of legit critcism, ignores the criticism instead of using logic defending their fighter or accepting that more questions must be answered in the future to appropriately defend the criticism.

In your case, you are a Pac nutnugger. You're still on this thread resorting to random bullshit posts and are not logically defending your man-crush Pacman. He's fighting Barerra, coming off a loss. He fought Larios and Morales 1 coming off losses. Velasquez 42-10-2. Solis's opponent before Pac was 9-3. He couldn't beat Marquez after 3 1st round KD's. And Morales has proven shot, and if nothing else this thread has done, has proven Morales was shot after last MAB fight...and he still beat Pac once.

Keep huggin on them nuts, or accept he needs to beat Marquez and Guzman he regain credibility.

He fucked his fans signed two contracts, and running for mayor. You guys should be pissed. But u keep on hugging...

[rr94]

And you're point is?

Can we change the records or at least modify it w/ your assertion that Morales and Barrera were washed up.

nope, records stay the same. Its not black and white, historians reveal the elements of the bouts, the state of the fighters, and the significance of the fights. How long have u been a fan of this sport? and if it were all about records, why isn't MArciano the consensus #1 heavy of all time???? yep...you're an idiot. and a nuthugger....u wanted a definition, read back a page ur blind ass prolly missed it.

[kg0208]

And you're point is?

Can we change the records or at least modify it w/ your assertion that Morales and Barrera were washed up.
Try reading the conversation and you will see what context it is in.

Don't act like you are being objective....if you don't want these statements made then stop your Pinoy pals from saying that Morales was in his prime before the fight with Pacman.

It's always funny to watch you ask these questions ONLY to people in the thread who are not big supporters of Pacman.

[Bazooka]

he needs to beat Marquez and Guzman he regain credibility.

...

Who has Marquez or Guzman really beat that can be considered on the same level as guys like Morales, and Barrera? Honestly who have those two really beat?
To be honest with you Manny did beat Marquez, one judge feel asleep at the wheel in that fight by not scoring the first round correctly that is a fact you cant even deny, but again I ask who did these two beat and what makes them so special that Manny must fight and beat them to get any credibility?

[rr94]

Stop your crying Domgo. Try reading the conversation and you will see what context it is in.

Don't act like you are being objective....if you don't want these statements made then stop your Pinoy pals from saying that Morales was in his prime before the fight with Pacman.

It's always funny to watch you ask these questions ONLY to people in the thread who are not big supporters of Pacman.


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

he's the only nuthugger left...

[rr94]

Who has Marquez or Guzman really beat that can be considered on the same level as guys like Morales, and Barrera? Honestly who have those two really beat?
To be honest with you Manny did beat Marquez, one judge feel asleep at the wheel in that fight by not scoring the first round correctly that is a fact you cant even deny, but again I ask who did these two beat and what makes them so special that Manny must fight and beat them to get any credibility?

who did:

SOLIS
VELASQUEZ
3K BATTERY
LARIOS

beat to fight pacquiao....LARIOS AND MORALES WERE COMING OFF LOSSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bazooka]

who did:

SOLIS
VELASQUEZ
3K BATTERY
LARIOS

beat to fight pacquiao....LARIOS AND MORALES WERE COMING OFF LOSSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Larios and Morales were more accomplished that Guzman thats for sure, and he already fougth Marquez and beat him really so I dont see your point.
plus didnt Marquez fight with Barrera in a very very close fight even getting dropped by MAB? and after that he should get a shot at Manny P? get fucking real

[rr94]

Who has Marquez or Guzman really beat that can be considered on the same level as guys like Morales, and Barrera? Honestly who have those two really beat?
To be honest with you Manny did beat Marquez, one judge feel asleep at the wheel in that fight by not scoring the first round correctly that is a fact you cant even deny, but again I ask who did these two beat and what makes them so special that Manny must fight and beat them to get any credibility?

GUZMAN = undefeated, great defensive technique and footwork, soild pop in punches. Roach himself said he may be the biggest threat to Pac, and Pac aint ready for him.

MARQUEZ = HE DREW PAC AFTER BEING KD's 3 times!!!!!!!!! He outboxed him, and looks better than ever...AND HE BEAT BARERRA, WHO PAC IS FIGHTING INSTEAD!!!!!!

[Bazooka]

GUZMAN = undefeated, great defensive technique and footwork, soild pop in punches. Roach himself said he may be the biggest threat to Pac, and Pac aint ready for him.

MARQUEZ = HE DREW PAC AFTER BEING KD's 3 times!!!!!!!!! He outboxed him, and looks better than ever...AND HE BEAT BARERRA, WHO PAC IS FIGHTING INSTEAD!!!!!!

So what if he is undefeated who gives a fuck, I asked you who he beat?

and about Marquez he only got a draw because of a Major scoring error in Round 1 you cant deny this fact, Had the judge did his job correctly there would be no draw you and I both know this.

[kg0208]

So Larios and Morales were more accomplished that Guzman thats for sure, and he already fougth Marquez and beat him really so I dont see your point.
plus didnt Marquez fight with Barrera in a very very close fight even getting dropped by MAB? and after that he should get a shot at Manny P? get fucking real

Last I checked....that fight is controversial in more than one way. Many think, enough to make a valid argument, that Marquez beat Pacman. You can't just state Pacman beat Marquez as a fact....the fact is it was a draw. He beat MAB. Marquez certainly deserves a rematch with Pacman.

[rr94]

So Larios and Morales were more accomplished that Guzman thats for sure, and he already fougth Marquez and beat him really so I dont see your point.
plus didnt Marquez fight with Barrera in a very very close fight even getting dropped by MAB? and after that he should get a shot at Manny P? get fucking real

Larios more credible than Guzman? You're an idiot.

Morales...he was shot. And is shot. And if you read the first 4 pages of this thread, i thoroughly outlined that. Go read up, come back, and make a valid point. You're starting to look dumb.

[rr94]

So what if he is undefeated who gives a fuck, I asked you who he beat?

and about Marquez he only got a draw because of a Major scoring error in Round 1 you cant deny this fact, Had the judge did his job correctly there would be no draw you and I both know this.

Yeah, but u can't deny instead of rematching Pac fought a bunch of cans and shot fighters. And instead of fighting the winner of Marquez-Barerra, he's fighting the loser.

[Bazooka]

Larios more credible than Guzman? You're an idiot.

Morales...he was shot. And is shot. And if you read the first 4 pages of this thread, i thoroughly outlined that. Go read up, come back, and make a valid point. You're starting to look dumb.

How many world titles Did Larios win vs how many did Guzman win? you cant count the WBO remember.
about your Manny is fighting the loser arguement hey how many title shots did Zab Judah get after lossing? Thank you, but besides that, that isnt the case many thought Barrera won that fight

[kg0208]

How many world titles Did Larios win vs how many did Guzman win? you cant count the WBO remember.
about your Manny is fighting the loser arguement hey how many title shots did Zab Judah get after lossing? Thank you, but besides that, that isnt the case many thought Barrera won that fight

See you can't do that Bazooka. You can't ignore the official outcome for MAB-JMM and say many thought MAB won without mentioning that many thought JMM beat Pacman even without the scoring error. That's not consistant.

And Larios won more titles than Guzman. But 2 weight classes below. He jumped 2 full weight classes to fight Pacman. If he was only coming up one...sure. But not two. Still a decent win, but it is not better than beating Guzman at this point, or even Valero.

[kg0208]

You're barking at the wrong tree. Why don't you go to Arum who promotes Pac's fight? Why don't you Golden Boy for choosing Barrera not Marquez?
Can you something about it? If you can't, better shut your fucking mouth up.

Then I don't want to hear you talk about anybody else comp again. According to you, Manny has no say in his competition. So then no one else does either.

[rr94]

Your points are well taken, dude. But sorry they don't actually count. As I have said results count in the record books of the boxing authorities and ranking bodies. If they did not consider results, they would not have chosen Pac #2 P4P boxer (Ring Magazine). Between you (an unknown quantity) and Ring Mag (the bible of boxing), it is obvious who people will believe in. As one poster here, you can only rant and speculate in this forum. But at the end of the day, nothing will change. Pacquiao is still at the top. If he keeps on winning, he will still be at the top no matter how you put him down.

i said earlier...okay, follow me now, dont get lost....

IF HE FIGHTS GUZMAN, AND MARQUEZ....win or lose...i give him props.

Barerra fight is a joke. He should be fighting the winner of Marquez/Barerra, not the loser.

He is #2 P4P, yes. Not disputing that, never did.

The point of this thread was: PAC NUTHUGGERS ARE THE MOST OBNOXIOUS....you present points that their man isnt what they think he is, he's not some god fighting the best out there, they change the subject over and over again and twist the shit and deny it.

Maybe history wont say "Pac fought a shot morales, and once lost to him" and maybe it wont say "Larios and Morales were coming off losses" and maybe "It wont say WHO THE FUCK is 3K Battery???"....but you know it, and as one of his fans you should demand he fights the best, and not be swindled into buying PPV's against bums just because u want to see Pacman buzzsaw through a tomato can.

Guzman can outbox him, so can Marquez. THEY CAN, not saying THEY WILL. But you keep arguing and arguing and don't accept those facts. That makes u a nuthugger.

[H .]

nope, records stay the same. Its not black and white, historians reveal the elements of the bouts, the state of the fighters, and the significance of the fights. How long have u been a fan of this sport? and if it were all about records, why isn't MArciano the consensus #1 heavy of all time???? yep...you're an idiot. and a nuthugger....u wanted a definition, read back a page ur blind ass prolly missed it.

that's beautiful. this should be used for vitali-lennox threads when someone says that the result is all that matters.

[rr94]

You're barking at the wrong tree. Why don't you go to Arum who promotes Pac's fight? Why don't you Golden Boy for choosing Barrera not Marquez?
Can you something about it? If you can't, better shut your fucking mouth up.

Arum or Golden Boy?

I cant remeber. He signed two contracts and screwed his fans out of great fights for the past year. Yet you still hang onto his nuts like he's the GOAT. That my friend = nuthugger.

[rr94]

that's beautiful. this should be used for vitali-lennox threads when someone says that the result is all that matters.

see, and this guy isn't a nuthugger, he just sees it as it is.

:o)

thanx bro.

[Bazooka]

See you can't do that Bazooka. You can't ignore the official outcome for MAB-JMM and say many thought MAB won without mentioning that many thought JMM beat Pacman even without the scoring error. That's not consistant.

And Larios won more titles than Guzman. But 2 weight classes below. He jumped 2 full weight classes to fight Pacman. If he was only coming up one...sure. But not two. Still a decent win, but it is not better than beating Guzman at this point, or even Valero.

Good point in checking me on official out comes, But the Scoring error is more valid than the MAB beat Marquez, to be honest I had JMM well ahead in that fight but most of you here didnt.
Guzman might have done something two weight classes below but that was it, he hasnt done anything lately and to me he doesnt deserve a shot, he should stand in line.

[DoumB]

Your points are well taken, dude. But sorry they don't actually count. As I have said results count in the record books of the boxing authorities and ranking bodies. If they did not consider results, they would not have chosen Pac #2 P4P boxer (Ring Magazine). Between you (an unknown quantity) and Ring Mag (the bible of boxing), it is obvious who people will believe in. As one poster here, you can only rant and speculate in this forum. But at the end of the day, nothing will change. Pacquiao is still at the top. If he keeps on winning, he will still be at the top no matter how you put him down.

no one in here questionned that, Look at the title of the thread and the last 6 pages we discussed, we simply said Morales was shot and u keep spinning around it trying to put your bullshit, u either stop it or argu it with some credible points.

[kg0208]

Good point in checking me on official out comes, But the Scoring error is more valid than the MAB beat Marquez, to be honest I had JMM well ahead in that fight but most of you here didnt.
Guzman might have done something two weight classes below but that was it, he hasnt done anything lately and to me he doesnt deserve a shot, he should stand in line.

Guzman is a champion at 130 though. And Larios only did something 2 weight classes below. He jumped alot to fight Pacman. Remember, Guzman just beat the guy that Marquez is about to fight.

I have no doubt that Pacman is capable of winning these fights. But just like you are about PBF, let him actually DO it.

[kg0208]

Wrong scoring was admitted fact not speculation like a MAB win.

It certainly is. But then it as close enough that 1 point made it a draw. So there should be a rematch.

[rr94]

If you're not more of an idiot, where can you find in the boxing history books, where a loss of boxer is qualified w/ excuses like forest fire, no physical conditioning, etc. Was the loss of Ali to Frazier qualified because he had personal problems w/ dodging draft? I think you're plain stupid.

what boxing history books??????????
The writers: Teddy Atlas, Bert Sugar???

Documentaries???

They all feature THE ELEMENTS LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT!!!!

The mindstate, everything! If Barerra beats Pac, the reasoning will be his training camp and conditioning. Everyone writes off fighters when they win under surrounding circumstances. Floyd whooped Diego b/c of the jailtime he was possibly going to serve, etc. It's the nature of the game. For the 3rd time by a 3rd party, how old are you?????

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY of the game. If a prime Marciano beat a PRIME Louis, it would have been a bigger accomplishment. If Pac beat Barerra with a full-camp, it would have been a bigger accomplishment. Keep nuthugging buddy, everyone in this forum has outgunned, outsmarted, and outhought you. And you're still here fighting for your fighter without any logical defense. Instead of your fighter, you're trying to attack me. The problem is, i'm still right, and you're still wrong.

AND FOR THE 50th TIME!!!!!!!! I GIVE PAC CREDIT FOR A GREAT WIN OVER BARERRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT THAT U ARE TOO IGNORANT TO ACCEPT AS A FACTOR IN THE FIGHT. THATS WHAT BOXING FANS DO, THEY CONTEMPLATE THE WHAT IF'S AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE FIGHT.

[H .]

what boxing history books??????????
The writers: Teddy Atlas, Bert Sugar???

Documentaries???

They all feature THE ELEMENTS LEADING UP TO THE FIGHT!!!!

The mindstate, everything! If Barerra beats Pac, the reasoning will be his training camp and conditioning. Everyone writes off fighters when they win under surrounding circumstances. Floyd whooped Diego b/c of the jailtime he was possibly going to serve, etc. It's the nature of the game. For the 3rd time by a 3rd party, how old are you?????

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY of the game. If a prime Marciano beat a PRIME Louis, it would have been a bigger accomplishment. If Pac beat Barerra with a full-camp, it would have been a bigger accomplishment. Keep nuthugging buddy, everyone in this forum has outgunned, outsmarted, and outhought you. And you're still here fighting for your fighter without any logical defense. Instead of your fighter, you're trying to attack me. The problem is, i'm still right, and you're still wrong.

AND FOR THE 50th TIME!!!!!!!! I GIVE PAC CREDIT FOR A GREAT WIN OVER BARERRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT THAT U ARE TOO IGNORANT TO ACCEPT AS A FACTOR IN THE FIGHT. THATS WHAT BOXING FANS DO, THEY CONTEMPLATE THE WHAT IF'S AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE FIGHT.

:yep

[rr94]

the difference between me and domngo.

DOMNGO = PAC FAN

RR94 = BOXING FAN

Boxing fans contemplate these things and take more into consideration in terms of outside influences surrounding the fight, and ask questions, pose "what-if's"....

PAC FANS hug on the nuts of their hero without logical reason when presented with not so pleasing facts.

[rr94]

These are opinion writers, dimwit. As such their opinions cannot be accepted as gospel truth. I'm talking about history books on boxing.
Did you graduate in high school?

You give credit... but not full credit because his camp was not full camp. Don't call yourself a boxing fan. You're a stupid boxing fan.
\
NAME ONE "HISTORY BOOK" on boxing.

i have over 50 books on boxing, none of them are history books. And the most esteemed writers/historian in BOXING HISTORY is BERT SUGAR. I have all of his books. And the Ring Magazine is the "bible of boxing" for a reason.

If it matters, I graduated college before u graduated high school.

And you're a stupid Pac fan.

[DoumB]

These are opinion writers, dimwit. As such their opinions cannot be accepted as gospel truth. I'm talking about history books on boxing.
Did you graduate in high school?

You give credit... but not full credit because his camp was not full camp. Don't call yourself a boxing fan. You're a stupid boxing fan.

dude you should just stop it here, I expected some of u to show up but didnt u notice ur th elastt one trying to defend on something that as been approved by almost everyone except a few of u....

an advice.. quit it

[DoumB]

Your avatar is surely appropriate for a loser like you. My advice to Gatti and you: QUIT NOW! :lol::lol::lol:

now I'm a looser? wow man ur pretty pathetic resorting to those kinds of childish insults, continu mate ur doing us a favor by ridiculisiing yourself

[DoumB]

I can't find that word in my dictionary, dumb!

Try: Ridiculing..... no such word as ridiculizing :D

sorry english isnt my first language but I think u got the point didnt u?

[Stinky gloves]

sorry english isnt my first language but I think u got the point didnt u?

You still hopping Domngo will get your point? :patsch

He is blind nuthugger, when he is loosing any logical
arguments he is referreing to your spelling and grammar errors.
That makes him thinks he is still in the game :lol:

[DoumB]

No wonder you're dumb in your threads. English is not my first language either.
That means, I'm smarter than you. :lol:

iuf u would be smarter then i was u would had found something logical to counter my opinion. U didnt cause ur blinded by your love for pac

[DoumB]

You still hopping Domngo will get your point? :patsch

He is blind nuthugger, when he is loosing any logical
arguments he is referreing to your spelling and grammar errors.
That makes him thinks he is still in the game :lol:

I didnt no he could become a complete asshole, I mean I knew he was a huge fan but when he started called me names like looser or dumbass or whatever cause he couldnt agree with is kinda sad, I mean I didnt attacked him or anyone I just pointed out simple facts that annoy most posters here..

[Morrissey]

Do these guys understand that before Pac VS morales triology that Erik was actualy a lot better? they cant stand the fact that their boy lost to a fading Erik and beat him twice when he was clearly shot, hell look at the raheem fight, raheem completly ridiculised erik and he sure aint not elite fighter(hes a good fighter tho) and u have those ridiculous claims on how pac is the only one to ever drop Morales and dominate him, hey guys time to wake up, morales as been shot since the first Morales Pac fight, the fight with raheem is all u need to see, it was b4 Pac-Morales 2.

:patsch

Those were impressive wins, against a HOFer long to be considered to have a great chin and an elite boxer, that is why many boxing fans and the media pushed him up in their P2P list.

And yes, people can say he was the only one who dropped and dominated him, like he really did. WHo else can you say dominated him in an impressive fashion?

Yes, he might be fading, but don't think he was an easy target for anyone in his division then, much more an easy one to put in a canvass.

There might be some nuthuggers for Pac, but come on, you can count them in your one hand. And right now, as he is the no.2 P4P list, give them space under the sun to wallow in Pac's peak as a boxer.

[DoumB]

Until somebody beat PAC we will not go away..

Anyway keep praying coz PAc aint getting beaten, unless Floyd comes down to 130.

The Truth.

Dont get me wrong, pac is a beast right now, what I poited out is the hypocrisy of his biggest fans

[Morrissey]

go to youtube and wathc any video with mexican boxers, or boxers period, its sick, just sick

Have no time to really explore youtube, but I can somehow see your point there.

[Morrissey]

I meant the comments on the videos, its sickening

Yes, saw already some of them.

[DoumB]

Dont get mad at fans, they have the right to be delusional especially when their fighter wins. You'll always get your chance if their boy loses. And eventually you'll get them one way or the other

Now, theres a flipside to that(De Niro in Heat) if their boy keeps on winning, then you're the one that'll look foolish. Just like now.

The opposite of a hugger is a hater. Dont be a hater especailly if youre hatin on Floyd or Pac, coz these guys might not lose for a while. They're the wrong fans to hate. Pick something easier for yerself like a Darchinyan fan.

With fighters like PBF or PAC, you might be in for a long wait so chill.

dude If u think I'm a hater of either pac or mayweather u will be proven wrong big time, ask any one in there ull see I gave everyfighter (exception of toney) their credits, I'm not a hater

[DoumB]

You are a hater of Pac fans. I'll give you an advice, you go against them and Pac keeps mowing opposition down

then you might have a stroke by the time its all over.

lol what u dont get is everyone is kinda tired of their delusions of grandeur, Its great to support a fighter but sometimes u have to be more credible

[DoumB]

Yes you have to be more credible. Who in 130 and below can beat Pac "right now"..

Sure you will say this can, he can , this guy , that guy

Go to Vegas, make some money for yourself because there is no 130 or below fighter in this entire planet that will not be a significant underdog to PAC.

:patsch dude did u read my posts? it was refered to the Morales Fights, of course manny is the best right now at those weights no denying this, see this is actualy what I pointed out in this thread, some of u simply dont accept anything negativ about pac, its just impossible for u to understand

[BigReg]

Yes you have to be more credible. Who in 130 and below can beat Pac "right now"..

Sure you will say this can, he can , this guy , that guy

Go to Vegas, make some money for yourself because there is no 130 or below fighter in this entire planet that will not be a significant underdog to PAC.

What do you consider a significant underdog to be? Personally, I don't think Marquez would be a significant underdog, and I think Guzman beats him(I wouldn't be surprised if he was a significant underdog though)

[DoumB]

Then I must have just read your later post my bad.

To be fair, Erik schooled PAC is the first fight. Not destroyed but schooled. Pac came in there thinking he was going to bash another crude fighter in Erik :lol: :lol: He needed that lost.

its ok man I was like wtf this was so much off topic ahah:good

[Ared]

I don't get it either... Why take away from a fighter because of his fans? True, we may spout illogical nonsense (I don't however) but the fact is, Pacman beat Erik Morales... Whether shot or not that is an achievement.... It's like saying Holyfield never really beat Tyson because Tyson was already shot then.... In the records though, Holy still holds the win over Tyson, shot Tyson nonwithstanding. And Holy gets respect for that... So why not Pac?

[Thread Stealer]

Do these Klitschko huggers understand that Vitali LOST his fights against the best fighters he faced? That part of being a boxer and athlete is being durable, not merely winning rounds? Face it, Lewis showed up in poor condition, even Vitali said Lewis was not in good shape, and Lewis still cut him up and won. The last time Lewis showed up undertrained, Hasim "the Son of Oleg" Rahman laid him out. They can't stand the fact that The Ring made some questionable decisions in making Vitali the champion at heavyweight, and that Vitali's best wins were over two out-of-shape contenders, and a fringe contender who fell 100x against Riddick Bowe. Wladimir is a good fighter, but a part-time golfer stretched him out, and he gassed out against Lamon. No excuses, he whupped him in the rematch, but there was no green man drugging Wlad. Brewster was the better man in the first fight.


Do these Oscarsexuals understand that De La Hoya faced only one world class lightweight during his stay @ 135? Do they understand that he was very fortunate not only to win the welterweight title against a fading Whitaker who looked terrible in his previous 3 fights, but also the Quartey fight in which he spent numerous rounds staring at Quartey and getting outjabbed? Do they not realize that the Trinidad fight was indeed close, despite what Jim Lampley goes crazy over? They can't stand the fact that Mosley beat their boy twice, and the rematch was indeed close and could have gone either way, and this was when Mosley hadn't won a fight in 2 years and appeared to have lost his confidence. Face it, he also got a gift against Sturm, and lost to a smaller man in Mayweather, and had way more time to adapt to the weights than Mosley and still lost to him twice.



Agreed.

[Thread Stealer]

Doumb you should never ever ever speak on the subject of nuthuggery.....never.

Mike Tyson should preach about treating women with respect, Evander Holyfield should go to schools promoting safe sex, and Tyson should also teach a course about money management.

[blackstrider]

Pacquiao is the GREATEST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]


I agree!:good Thanks dude!

[blackstrider]

i said earlier...okay, follow me now, dont get lost....

IF HE FIGHTS GUZMAN, AND MARQUEZ....win or lose...i give him props.

Barerra fight is a joke. He should be fighting the winner of Marquez/Barerra, not the loser.

He is #2 P4P, yes. Not disputing that, never did.

The point of this thread was: PAC NUTHUGGERS ARE THE MOST OBNOXIOUS....you present points that their man isnt what they think he is, he's not some god fighting the best out there, they change the subject over and over again and twist the shit and deny it.

Maybe history wont say "Pac fought a shot morales, and once lost to him" and maybe it wont say "Larios and Morales were coming off losses" and maybe "It wont say WHO THE FUCK is 3K Battery???"....but you know it, and as one of his fans you should demand he fights the best, and not be swindled into buying PPV's against bums just because u want to see Pacman buzzsaw through a tomato can.

Guzman can outbox him, so can Marquez. THEY CAN, not saying THEY WILL. But you keep arguing and arguing and don't accept those facts. That makes u a nuthugger.

who gives a shit if u dnt give props to pacman? who do u think u r anyway? :yep

[the_what]

Doumb you should never ever ever speak on the subject of nuthuggery.....never.

:lol:

[kg0208]

If you're not dumb, why focus on the fans and not on the fighters? Surely, posting negative comments will attract negative comments like honey to killer bees. If you know your boxing as you claimed you do, why don't you write solely on the exploits of the boxers. Remember, it's the boxers who create stories not the inconsequential fans.

Writing about the fighter attracts his fans. Then you have to deal with them. So even doing as you suggested will not solve that issue.

Not everything Pacman has done is positive or astonishing. When that is pointed out, his fans seem to go off the deep end. And then you have to deal with them.

[djrock247]

erik?

No. Erik's got much more respect for Pac than this assclown.

[stillafan]

PAcs got some cool fans on here that actually make legit arguments and are not biased, but most pac fans on here have minimal boxing knowlege...and only know about Pacquiao...boxing did exist before pacquiao...and will go on after him as well.....earth to Pac nuthuggers...HE WILL RETIRE ONE DAY!!...just like Chavez, Just like Erik morales, ....they all hangup the gloves one day

[puga_ni_nana]

Paraan pacquiao ay isa ng ang talunin , siya paluin sigla at bariles at maging dapat pagpitaganan dahil sa kagagawan pagayon kumuha mula sa puno ito.


ano po ang ibig sabihin nito? :D

trans: what are you trying to say here? :D

[kg0208]

I would just wanted to ignore you but I've got an advice that will make you feel better and save you time writing unnecessary posts: IGNORE THEM!

Then you do the same. Take your own advice. Ignore me, ignore whomever. No skin off anyones back right?

[kg0208]

Do you admitting of nuthugging? If you do, I'll ignore you after this post. :hi:

Are you calling me a nuthugger or a hater? We back to namecalling again? Can you not present an actual argument? :think

[boxbox]

Question: Who do you guys think is worse? Bigtime9 for his love of PBF or Johnco and PacDbest for their love of Pac? Who is worse?


would be funny if you made a poll:rofl

[kg0208]

Oh, did I call you as such? Read my post again. I asked you if you admit to being a nuthugger coz if you do, I'll take my advice of ignoring you. Got it?

Well this post is much better written. Reading your post, it sounds like you were ignoring me, but decided to NOT ignore me to give me advice.

[retriever]

Is it Pac's fault or his fans, if Erik suddenly got shot after he won against Pac in that first fight? The point is: can you not give Pac credit for beating a future HOF-er convincingly twice?


good point:good

[KO Boxing]

I've actually been quite ignorant of how bad some of them have actually become...

Sure, Manny is a very very good fighter. No. 2 p4p in the world today. Great wars. All action....

But come on!

[SugarShane_24]

This never really doesn't end doesn't it?


Let's just put a lot of things this way,

For EM, he's not the force he was when he weighed 122. But still formidable and has a lot more experience as his career progressed. He also aged a bit with all the tough fights he had.


For Pac, he still has a lot of deficiency skillwise. He improved and made more use of his right hand, had better head movement and his power have settled at 130. We saw the difference it made on the second and third fight with Pac.


Raheem or no Raheem, shouldn't credit be given to Pac for making adjustments getting the job done? The fact that he is a guy who started out at jr. fly has just stopped a multi-division champ who is definitely bigger, and has never been KO'd before or since. Not even a bullish lightweight like David Diaz managed to floor him.


That's the bottom line.

[Marciano Frazier]

It seems most everyone thinks the fans of a fighter they're not a fan of are the worst.

[dodong]

It seems most everyone thinks the fans of a fighter they're not a fan of are the worst.
:good
With the pretense of being objective, neither a hater or a nuthugger.

[koko of phil]

Filipino commentators are the worst nuthuggers of them all

No, only they simply have confidence and guts to say what they know, unlike anyone out there who pretends to be a newbie or makin a new account just to say something.

[retriever]

manboo gets owned lol