Calling all Pac Fans That Hate Excuses for Barrera and Morrales

[acb]

Some of the Pac fans here on this forum hate the excuses offered up by Barrera and Morrales fans, for example that Barrera had a bad camp or that Morrales was shot in the 2nd and 3rd fights. I dont blame them because Pac beat the man in front of him and deserves credit for what he did.

But if you guys dont like excuses, dont make them yourselves for Pac losses. :deal

I have read in the last 24 hours from Domingo for example, that Pac wore the wrong socks and had blisters, and I just read from Johnco that Pac lost the 1st Morrales fight due to a headbut. The headbutt excuss especially is ridiculous, give EM his credit. Headbutts and cuts are as old as boxing itself. :deal

[DoumB]

Some of the Pac fans here on this forum hate the excuses offered up by Barrera and Morrales fans, for example that Barrera had a bad camp or that Morrales was shot in the 2nd and 3rd fights. I dont blame them because Pac beat the man in front of him and deserves credit for what he did.

But if you guys dont like excuses, dont make them yourselves for Pac losses. :deal

I have read in the last 24 hours from Domingo for example, that Pac wore the wrong socks and had blisters, and I just read from Johnco that Pac lost the 1st Morrales fight due to a headbut. The headbutt excuss especially is ridiculous, give EM his credit. Headbutts and cuts are as old as boxing itself. :deal

u wont get much logic with those guys.

[acb]

u wont get much logic with those guys.

I just dont like the contradictions. If Barrera and Morrales were prime, and beaten fair and square, then Pacs losses or draws should merit zero excuses also. Its got to be one way or the other, but they can have it both ways. :nono

[LeedsLad]

I dont think EM was too bad for the 2nd fight, Pac's power just caught up with him. The 3rd fight it was fairly clear Morales was drained/shot. Barrera wasnt out of prime, but Pac was a no name then and i think MAB took him lightly. Not saying MAB would have won had he prepared properly, but it would have been more competitive.

You can't fault Pac though, even though these guys are not in their prime they are still the best in the 130 division i think.

[PH|LLA]

EVERYONE uses Morales being shot as an excuse to his losses, while the cut that was caused by a headbutt is barely ever heard of, even though the fight still ended up within 1 round.

Also a bad camp is just about the worst excuse you can use. I mean that was a prime Barrera fighting a very green Pacquiao and he got demolished.

By the way i don't hate the excuses for Barrera and Morales but I hate the double standards. The gloves meant nothing, but Morales was shot in the second fight? Anything to take credit away from Pac. In the end Pacquiao proved that he is a better fighter

[Bazooka]

Some of the Pac fans here on this forum hate the excuses offered up by Barrera and Morrales fans, for example that Barrera had a bad camp or that Morrales was shot in the 2nd and 3rd fights. I dont blame them because Pac beat the man in front of him and deserves credit for what he did.

But if you guys dont like excuses, dont make them yourselves for Pac losses. :deal

I have read in the last 24 hours from Domingo for example, that Pac wore the wrong socks and had blisters, and I just read from Johnco that Pac lost the 1st Morrales fight due to a headbut. The headbutt excuss especially is ridiculous, give EM his credit. Headbutts and cuts are as old as boxing itself. :deal

THe headbutt in all honesty did Manny more good than bad in that fight, he began to fight harder after the cut, BTW EM gets credit yes but he only won that fight because of the gloves that is the truth.

[acb]

EVERYONE uses Morales being shot as an excuse to his losses, while the cut that was caused by a headbutt is barely ever heard of, even though the fight still ended up within 1 round

Also a bad camp is just about the worst excuse you can use. I mean that was a prime Barrera fighting a very green Pacquiao and he got demolished.

So are you also saying EM won the 1st because of the headbutt?

[acb]

I dont think EM was too bad for the 2nd fight, Pac's power just caught up with him. The 3rd fight it was fairly clear Morales was drained/shot. Barrera wasnt out of prime, but Pac was a no name then and i think MAB took him lightly. Not saying MAB would have won had he prepared properly, but it would have been more competitive.

You can't fault Pac though, even though these guys are not in their prime they are still the best in the 130 division i think.

Good post.

[Bazooka]

EM won becuase he and Arum snuck the Winnings brand gloves in the contract taking advantage of a stupid promoter manager that Manny had at the time (Murad)

[kg0208]

EM won becuase he and Arum snuck the Winnings brand gloves in the contract taking advantage of a stupid promoter manager that Manny had at the time (Murad)

If Manny had a stupid promoter, that is Manny's fault.

[Bazooka]

If Manny had a stupid promoter, that is Manny's fault.

To an extent yes, and during the training camp for that fight they were trying to get out of the contract with Murad, I was there during this time and let me tell you Murad had people going to the gym fucking with Freddy, just to be a ass, he had people there basicly to keep an eye on Manny to make sure he didnt sign with Finkel or Shaw or any other promoter they really were trying to bully this kid going into this fight.

He did have alot of distractions going on, heading into this fight they did not find out about the gloves until days before the fight, that would throw any fighter off, Winnings gloves suck they really do unless you have hand problems but at the end of the day yes part of its Mannys fault for having a shit bag promoter, but then again is it really? people in this sport are snakes they act like they care about you and your future but they dont and suddenly how people change when big money gets involved

[kg0208]

To an extent yes, and during the training camp for that fight they were trying to get out of the contract with Murad, I was there during this time and let me tell you Murad had people going to the gym fucking with Freddy, just to be a ass, he had people there basicly to keep an eye on Manny to make sure he didnt sign with Finkel or Shaw or any other promoter they really were trying to bully this kid going into this fight.

He did have alot of distractions going on, heading into this fight they did not find out about the gloves until days before the fight, that would throw any fighter off, Winnings gloves suck they really do unless you have hand problems but at the end of the day yes part of its Mannys fault for having a shit bag promoter, but then again is it really? people in this sport are snakes they act like they care about you and your future but they dont and suddenly how people change when big money gets involved

You always say that fighters have a different perspective. I don't fight, so I won't argue that. But RJJ doing the commentary on that fight when Merchant and Lampley are talking about the gloves says that the gloves will have very little impact. He should still be able to generate his power through technique. Jones said that, not me.

And if distractions are an excuse for Manny....and I think they are valid to a degree, then they are valid for MAB before his fight with Pacman.

[acb]

EM won becuase he and Arum snuck the Winnings brand gloves in the contract taking advantage of a stupid promoter manager that Manny had at the time (Murad)

He beats Manny on this night with any gloves. He fought a smart fight, used a jab, placed the right hand to the body on a consistant basis, and measured Manny and countered him after Manny finished his shots while backing him up. He was just the better fighter, as Manny was in the 2nd and 3rd fights.

[Bazooka]

You always say that fighters have a different perspective. I don't fight, so I won't argue that. But RJJ doing the commentary on that fight when Merchant and Lampley are talking about the gloves says that the gloves will have very little impact. He should still be able to generate his power through technique. Jones said that, not me.

And if distractions are an excuse for Manny....and I think they are valid to a degree, then they are valid for MAB before his fight with Pacman.


I dont ever recall Jones using Winnings brand gloves, do yourself a favor go out and buy a pair of both and try them both out you will see and feel that the Reyes gloves do have more impact on them, while the winnings brand is a cushioned type of impact, they do less damage this is the truth.
what the fuck would Roy Jones know about those gloves he has never fought with them

[Bazooka]

He beats Manny on this night with any gloves. He fought a smart fight, used a jab, placed the right hand to the body on a consistant basis, and measured Manny and countered him after Manny finished his shots while backing him up. He was just the better fighter, as Manny was in the 2nd and 3rd fights.

He did fight smart no doubt, but give Manny his reyes gloves and see if Eriks body holds up with the same performance manny had that night, i bet it doesnt. I bet those same shots break Erik down by the 10th round comes along.

[kg0208]

I dont ever recall Jones using Winnings brand gloves, do yourself a favor go out and buy a pair of both and try them both out you will see and feel that the Reyes gloves do have more impact on them, while the winnings brand is a cushioned type of impact, they do less damage this is the truth.
what the fuck would Roy Jones know about those gloves he has never fought with them

How in the world do you know what gloves Jones fought with? He could have sparred in them, he could have fought in them before he was a big name. Are you claiming that you know every fight Jones fought in and the gloves he was wearing?

My point is, you say boxers have a different perspective. Jones is certainly that.

[DoumB]

I dont ever recall Jones using Winnings brand gloves, do yourself a favor go out and buy a pair of both and try them both out you will see and feel that the Reyes gloves do have more impact on them, while the winnings brand is a cushioned type of impact, they do less damage this is the truth.
what the fuck would Roy Jones know about those gloves he has never fought with them

I had, and its kinda true to an extend but saying he lost cause of it is exxagerating.

[acb]

He did fight smart no doubt, but give Manny his reyes gloves and see if Eriks body holds up with the same performance manny had that night, i bet it doesnt. I bet those same shots break Erik down by the 10th round comes along.

But I doubt he would fight the same way either. I mean if he felt the harder punches, I know he doesnt pull that same shit he pulled in the 12th round for example. Its impossible to know, really. I dont remember Manny going to the body too much in the 1st fight either. He did in the 2nd and 3rd fights along with using his right hand more and it really improved his game.

[DoumB]

Actually, I don't need to offer excuses because in actually Pac won over Marquez if not for the scoring error. We are only discussing some aspects of the fights which are verifiable and justifiably w/ basis which without them, it could have turned more favorably w/ Pac. Like the Winning gloves which Pac is not accustomed to. He proved himself right when he knocked out Morales twice w/ Reyes gloves. Had he used that gloves in the first fight, the results would have been different. F

For discussion's purposes, it really depends on the "excuses" mentioned. Camp fire? Barrera could transfer to another camp, couldn't he? W/ Morales's Daddy was not my trainer? This was ruled out that it was not a big factor.

dude we dont even need to prove you wrong, you do it by yourself,
you contradict yourself in your same post,

first u say we can only verify proven facts and results and then u say with the reyes gloves pav would proly had one, ur soooo much biased its horrible, I hate when u cant even have conversation with a poster cause his love for a fighter is blinding him,

your desesparate man.

[acb]

Actually, I don't need to offer excuses because in actually Pac won over Marquez if not for the scoring error. We are only discussing some aspects of the fights which are verifiable and justifiably w/ basis which without them, it could have turned more favorably w/ Pac. Like the Winning gloves which Pac is not accustomed to. He proved himself right when he knocked out Morales twice w/ Reyes gloves. Had he used that gloves in the first fight, the results would have been different. F

For discussion's purposes, it really depends on the "excuses" mentioned. Camp fire? Barrera could transfer to another camp, couldn't he? W/ Morales's Daddy was not my trainer? This was ruled out that it was not a big factor.

This is exactly what Im talking about.

So you take the position that if the gloves were different, Pac wins the first fight. Others say Pac was headbutted. You guys just refuse to give EM the credit he deserves for beating Pac fair and square, while bitching and whining when people dont give Pac his credit. Fucking pathetic. :dead

Oh and what about the sock excuse? Care to eloborate about on that?

And his loss to Torrecampo? Im sure you have an excuse for that too.

I have defended Pac many times on this site. Barrera is my favorite fighter. Just last night I posed that the fire excuse was bullshit and that Pac was the better man. He deserves the full credit for his win, as does Morrales for his first win against Pac. :deal

[Scorpion]

i give pac full credit for beating barrera and morales full credit for beating pac but pac vs morales 2 shouldn`t have ever happened cus erik was beaten by zahir raheem before the fight.BTW gloves have little effect IMO. And the reason i lost a little respect for pacman after the marquez fight is cus of all the excuses he make but its understandable.the excuses for the marquez fight was that the medic took too much blood from him for the examination and the morales excuses were the socks, gloves and headbutt.

[Scorpion]

i give pac full credit for beating barrera:good and morales full credit for beating pac:good but pac vs morales 2 shouldn`t have ever happened:nono cus erik was beaten by zahir raheem before the fight.BTW gloves have little effect IMO. And the reason i lost a little respect for pacman after the marquez fight is cus of all the excuses he make but its understandable.the excuses for the marquez fight was that the medic took too much blood from him for the examination and the morales excuses were the socks, gloves and headbutt.:patsch