if ricky K Os malinaggi

[sstevelcfc]

just a thought,if ricky hatton knocks malinaggi out (witch i think will happen ) and then beats pacman do you think he will get any respect on here from the americans

[GazOC]

Depends how Pac does against Oscar, if Pac gets flattened and then steps back down to 140 and loses to Hatton people will say "So what?"

[ribbue t]

just a thought,if ricky hatton knocks malinaggi out (witch i think will happen ) and then beats pacman do you think he will get any respect on here from the americans

hahaha lol, of course not. they'll think of something....malinaggi had no power, had never beaten anyone of note, only just scraped a couple of decisions again club fighters prior to fighting hatton, overhyped etc etc....pacman was above his best weight, had problems due to his weight fluctuating so much, should have beaten Hatton if the ref didnt allow them to hold, couldn't sparr properly because of such and such etc etc... Thats the thing about boxing, fans can talk themselves into believing anything, rather than being objective.

[dwilson]

Obviously if he does something to deserve respect, it will be given.

[MightyLondoner]

Hattons already earnt my respect!

[dwilson]

He has earnt just about everyones respect. It is the fact he is a big time charlie that pisses people off.

[GazOC]

The flashy cunt needs to tone it down it a bit.

[steelem]

earnt my respect 4-5 years ago

[BIG WORM]

ricky should KO malignaggi, if he dont he should retire

[stittyb]

I'll be both surprised and impressed if Hatton KO's Malignaggi, especially considering Cotto couldn't do it! That said i already respect Hatton alot

[SouthpawSlayer]

what if

[KCD]

I think he would still struggle for recognition over here in the UK.

It seems to me to be a popular theme over the last year to rubbish Hatton in any way what so ever.

[KCD]

:lol: Loving the Avatar Baileys-Tune:lol:

Now that is one ugly mofo.

[El Cepillo]

just a thought,if ricky hatton knocks malinaggi out (witch i think will happen ) and then beats pacman do you think he will get any respect on here from the americans

hatton gets decent respect from a lot of of americans in gf

but at the end of the day his resume is very average

if he beats paulie and more importantly pac

then yeah, he will get major respect from everyone

but really, who gives a fuck, if some people respect him and some people dont

[pijo]

ricky should KO malignaggi, if he dont he should retire
I don't know why, but I can't stop laughing at your avatar.:lol: :lol:

[sstevelcfc]

Who has Malignaggi beaten?

His claim to fame was a brutal, one-sided loss to Miguel Cotto. That's his best performance: a gallant losing battle with Cotto's fists.

Ricky has respect for beating Tyszu, becoming the most famous British boxer in the world, being involved in one of the biggest fights of all time and being a UK success in the US.

He loses respect for doing very little between Tyszu and Mayweather to really beggar acclaim, wittering on about how he's just one o' us common folk and acting like a big girl with his former trainer.ime not saying malinaggi is a big scalp but rickys still got to beat him
on the other hand pac would be a big scalp regardless of how he does against de la hoya just wondered what people thought

[sstevelcfc]

I think Pac would beat Ricky quite convincingly.not sure if ricky would win either but it is possible
would love to see the fight though
my 2 fave fighters

[GazOC]

I think Pac would beat Ricky quite convincingly.

I'd take Hatton, Pac boxed beautifully in his last fight but hit Diaz, a lightweight, with everything but the kitchen sink and couldn't make much of a dent.

[john b]

I'd take Hatton, Pac boxed beautifully in his last fight but hit Diaz, a lightweight, with everything but the kitchen sink and couldn't make much of a dent.

Spot on and anyway pac, will get manhandled and dominated by hatton especially at 140 because lets face hatton is a animal. I know the Pac fight would be great but I would love to see him in the ring against JMM as that would be more of an intriguing fight as would hatton deal with JMM boxing skills because pac will just wanna rumble.:good

[GazOC]

Were you watching the same fight as me?

He hammered him from beginning till end, cutting him up and then knocking him out in the... 9th was it?

That sounds like making a fairly severe dent in someone. And Ricky isn't as hardy as Diaz is - as evidenced by Ricky getting fairly badly wobbled at Lazcano's hands.
Hatton won't be plodding forward in slow motion asking to be hit. Pac hit Diaz with everything, knowing there was nothing going to be coming back and not being at all pressured or forced to engage when he didn't want to. It was a very good perfomance but no way did his power look at all impressive in that fight, it took him 9 rounds of totally shellacking Diaz to get a stoppage on acclumination of punches.

Hatton gets "fairly badly wobbled" in one fight and all of a sudden the chin that took Zoos shots is being called into question when fighting a 130lber moving up in weight?

I have the fight on DVD, I'll rewatch it but I doubt I'll change my mind.

[john b]

Were you watching the same fight as me?

He hammered him from beginning till end, cutting him up and then knocking him out in the... 9th was it?

That sounds like making a fairly severe dent in someone. And Ricky isn't as hardy as Diaz is - as evidenced by Ricky getting fairly badly wobbled at Lazcano's hands.

Hatton as only be seriously wobbled at WW and thats because he ate to many punches, and are u seriously saying diaz as a better chin than hatton on what evidence.

[sstevelcfc]

Were you watching the same fight as me?

He hammered him from beginning till end, cutting him up and then knocking him out in the... 9th was it?

That sounds like making a fairly severe dent in someone. And Ricky isn't as hardy as Diaz is - as evidenced by Ricky getting fairly badly wobbled at Lazcano's hands.ricky was never in serious trouble against lazcano was in control of the fight from start to finish IMO

[Mike_S]

Of course he would, he already does. Paulie has never been stopped and for me Paquiao will still be PFP #1 even if he loses to Oscar.

[GazOC]

Hattons proved to have a pretty decent chin over the course of his career, he gets stunned/ wobbled over the course of his last fight and now his punch resistance is gone? I know boxing is a fickle business but thats indecent haste to say the least.

[KCD]

Come on guys Pac looked excellent against Diaz, but realistically Diaz was made to order and he is several leagues below Hatton.

The fight will be a good one though if it comes around.

[GazOC]

What fight were you watching - he was clinging on for dear life at one point. Talk about revisionist history. next you'll be saying they only stopped the Mayweather fight to save everyone time before going to the pub.

Now thats revisionist history. Its taken you 15 minutes to go from "fairly badly wobbled" to "hanging on for dear live"

[robpalmer135]

what makes you think hatton can KO mallignaggi?

[GazOC]

what makes you think hatton can KO mallignaggi?

I think a points win is likely but I don't read too much into Cotto not stopping Pauli meaning Hatton won't. Cotto fights in spurts rather than steady pressure and was pretty badly drawn at the weight when they fought.

[TFFP]

I doubt he'll KO Malignaggi.

Fact is, he spends too much time holding, and therefore there is less opportunity for him to land clean punches.

[GazOC]

I doubt he'll KO Malignaggi.

Fact is, he spends too much time holding, and therefore there is less opportunity for him to land clean punches.

What are Hattons punchstats in fights at 140? Lower than average at that weight? I'd be surprised...

[TFFP]

Not as many as people think. Probably around 600 at a guess. For a fighter that is supposed to have a high work-rate at 140 that isn't a big number.

If he threw more punches and hugged less he'd have a great chance of stopping the embarrassing American. But Hatton will clinch, and Malignaggi is the sort of fighter that will be all to happy to engage.

[GazOC]

Maligaggi will HAVE to clinch IMHO, he has no other option. He's not as good at long range as some people seem to thing either, he likes it at medium range and as soon as the gap closes from that he'd have to clinch or he'll be fucked.

[TFFP]

Well, its not exactly like Hatton gives you a choice whether to clinch. He lunges in and then holds. Then either hits whilst holding, or decides to legitimately work an angle for a body shot. That is pretty much Hatton of recent times.

Malignaggi likes a good clinch too, but he's not one to initiate usually. I could see him doing it in this fight though. I expect a boring one unless Mayweather has really rubbed off on him and taught him a jab.

[GazOC]

It'll be a poor spectacle IMHO, but Hatton doesn't need a good jab just a basic one to pump out twice on the way in. It doesn't have to hurt or even land just to close that distance so he get get the hooks in.

[TFFP]

He might not need it, but as a spectacle it will be much more interesting if he's finally been taught how to throw one.

It's a lot easier on the eye to see a guy jab his way in with lateral movement rather than lunge. It would also occupy his opponent and cure some of the need to clinch. He only does that because he's worried about getting hit on the counter. It's a defensive mechanism.

Hence when he was fighting bullshit opponents for his WBU people recognise that as his most exciting period, as he didn't have to worry about what was coming back.

[GazOC]

You mean he looked better against poor opposition but seemed to have more problems as his opponents improved? My my, fancy that, it's a real education posting on here sometimes....;)

[TFFP]

It's not as simple as looking worse performance wise. His style changed for the worse. That is linked to his opponents skill level, but also his inability to throw a jab.

He would have retained his excitement had he ever learnt one, he would also be better able to compete at 147, and I'd probably even cheer him on for those reasons!

[GazOC]

You'd cheer him on? Now I know you're lying!!!

He was a pretty good boxer at a certain level (see Thaxton after the cut in the first round) but maybe he just can't jab with world class boxers so why try?

[TFFP]

Maybe he can, maybe he can't. He's barely tried, I know that. I think he did what he did against Tszyu and used that as his blueprint for the future, rather than going back to his skills he just clinches.

It's water under the bridge at this stage, he's already bored me to tears. I'm just saying, if he could have jabbed a bit more it would have had the knock on effect of less clinches and in turn more excitement for the purist.

[GazOC]

If he'd have jabbed with Zoo he'd have got timed on the way in with a right cross, even I called that one pre-fight. I just think he can't jab with a world class boxer so he doesn't try, "play to strengths" and all that.

[TFFP]

If he can't, he can't. I don't blame anybody for fighting how they need to in order to get the Win, for sure. But that doesn't mean I need to enjoy the style.

But as I said, I don't buy that completely. He fought the perfect fight against Tszyu, Phillips set out the blueprint for him. You don't need to box at all with that guy, he was an outstanding amateur. Just get on his ass like flies round shit.

I think Hatton could have been more flexible with his approach after that. Even I don't think Hatton is so talentless that the limit of his potential is run in and tie up and then look for hooks. Perhaps you underrate him more than me ;)

[GazOC]

Perhaps!!!:lol:;)

["TKO"]

Not as many as people think. Probably around 600 at a guess. For a fighter that is supposed to have a high work-rate at 140 that isn't a big number.

If he threw more punches and hugged less he'd have a great chance of stopping the embarrassing American. But Hatton will clinch, and Malignaggi is the sort of fighter that will be all to happy to engage.

Can't fnd anything for recent fights but Hatton threw 761 versus Collazo.

[sstevelcfc]

what makes you think hatton can KO mallignaggi?i think malinaggi as got nothing to worry hatton ricky will wear him down KO round 10
just because cotto didnt knock him out doesnt mean i think hatton will beat cotto
because i dont
just my opinion we will see november 22

[trotter]

I can't believe I'm agreeing with TFFP on a Hatton discussion.

He doesn't throw as many as people think (but his mauling style drains the opponent anyway). Not got the stats to hand but I was surprised. He's about average for a LWW (from memory).

And he DID adopt the Tszyu blueprint for pretty much every fight since. Which is a big mistake in my book. Maybe with his short arms he can't jab effectively but his impatience, lunging and attacking in straight lines has really limited his scope.

He seems to believe he can and should outmuscle everybody he faces, when sometimes he could simply outwork his opponent instead, grind them down that way, like he did to Philips.

In summary I think he smothers his own work at times, I hope Floyd has got him to tidy it up a bit, he's a better fighter than he has shown post-Tszyu.

[PaddyD1983]

If Floyd has taught him to utilise intelligent pressure and punch selection to open opponents up, then that's great. Do we think Ricky can abandon three years worth of bad habits now though?

This is a big question for me. I have no doubt that Hatton beats Paulie but whether he does it in style depends on whether he can get rid of some of those bad habits. A return to a jab would be a good start as well as some head movement. It would also make it alot easier for Hatton to then land with the hooks he wishes to use so often.

[mattress]

:lol: Loving the Avatar Baileys-Tune:lol:

i was just thinking the same