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David UK
06-21-2007, 02:58 PM
Just seen Bute for the first time against Bika. Very pleased with what I saw. Bute is slow and not heavy handed. Froch is in a different class by a mile. Froch by stoppage within three rounds
Astola
06-21-2007, 03:38 PM
:blood
Bute wide UD.
Agree on this one. Bute is faster than froch and has all the tools.
Besides, Bika is making people look like fuckin amateurs. First Calzaghe and then Bute.
Froch is indeed relying on his power - but that aint good enough against the top dogs at smw.
Decebal
06-21-2007, 03:43 PM
Just seen Bute for the first time against Bika.
David UK, would you be kind enough to suggest where I might see the fight too? Many thanks, mate!:good
achillesthegreat
06-21-2007, 03:52 PM
I managed to catch a bit of the last round! I didn't know it was on. SHIT! This is why boxing is dying in Britain - we either don't know when it is on or it is on at ungodly times i.e. 4.30 in the morning.
Admittingly from what I saw, Froch could beat him. He was just standing in front of Bika letting off readable shots. Frochs foot and head movement, coupled with his heavy and angled shots he could beat Bute.
I only saw a segment of the bout and Bika has always been a tricky cunt.
Decebal
06-21-2007, 03:53 PM
achillesthegreat, where did you see the fight?
achillesthegreat
06-21-2007, 04:02 PM
achillesthegreat, where did you see the fight?
English TV. FiveUS.
Decebal
06-21-2007, 04:04 PM
English TV. FiveUS.
I don't know why, but my freeview doesn't allow me to get FiveUS...:patsch ...live in Yorkshire by the way...:lol:
achillesthegreat
06-21-2007, 04:09 PM
I don't know why, but my freeview doesn't allow me to get FiveUS...:patsch ...live in Yorkshire by the way...:lol:
Then retune the channels. If it doesn't do it for you automatically then you'll need to do it manually.
Snorkel
06-21-2007, 04:16 PM
I just saw it and thought pretty much the same thing. Bika was landing solid shots but ultimately lacked in the power, speed and reach departments necessary to make Bute pay throughout the fight. Against Froch, if Bute neglected the jab like he did for large parts of this fight then he'd be made to pay as Froch crashed in powerful, straight right hands as opposed to Bika's looping punches. I don't think Bute has the power to stop Froch from head hunting in his usual manner either; Bika didn't look hurt at all despite eating a number of flush left hands.
Bute seems like a decent fighter and I haven't seen all his fights, but for my money he's a class below Kessler and JC and maybe Lacy and Froch too.
Freeview does get Five US, so, like has already been advised, you need to rescan for more channels. It's there, definetly.
I thought Bute looked alright, but kinda slow. I'm not suprised with those fucking huge gloves on, though.
Brickhaus
06-21-2007, 04:41 PM
To me, Bute didn't seem to punch particularly hard, be particularly well conditioned, or move particularly quickly. For someone who people have fallen in love with because of his physicality, I just don't see it. He did have more skill than I was expecting though.
David UK
06-21-2007, 05:42 PM
ah man, I hope you are kidding. Bute is slow and Froch by stoppage within 3 rounds? that's ridiculous, thats all I can said.:hi:
Not at all. I was surprised how slow his punches were. And not much power either. I'm not saying he looked terrible, because he showed decent footwork and ringcraft to handle the awkward Bika, but Froch is a murderous puncher and with Bute's slow punches with not much on them, Froch would just walk straight through him. I'm not a wealthy man, but I'd be willing to bet £1000 on a Froch win.
Bika vs Froch is a 50-50 fight. :bart
David UK
06-21-2007, 05:46 PM
David UK, would you be kind enough to suggest where I might see the fight too? Many thanks, mate!:good
US Five. Friday night fights every week 7pm although the day sometimes changes.
PS Next Weds 27th, documentary on Setanta about Tony Booth of Hull
Steve Fox
06-21-2007, 05:48 PM
Bika vs Froch is a 50-50 fight. :bartNo it's not. Are you a JC fan by any chance? Every time Froch gets mentioned the JC faithful come out in there droves quoting nonsense about how shite he is.
No it's not. Are you a JC fan by any chance? Every time Froch gets mentioned the JC faithful come out in there droves quoting nonsense about how shite he is.
no no, i think you'll find its just me. :cool:
Steve Fox
06-21-2007, 05:54 PM
no no, i think you'll find its just me. :cool:he insulted his dad, he's a bum, he's slow, i hope no one gives this loud mouth a shot at a title, errr...he smashed up Joe's car probably, i don't fear for Joe's health if they ever fight, not one bit, did i mention he's a bum, Manfredo KO 'The Adder' in 1 etc, etc, etc.
China_hand_Joe
06-21-2007, 06:00 PM
Froch needs Frank ****** if he is to pull of the greatest illusion in history.
DanePugilist
06-21-2007, 06:11 PM
Froch needs Frank ****** if he is to pull of the greatest illusion in history.Frank ****** the Illusionist - I kind of like the sound of that.
Not at all. I was surprised how slow his punches were. And not much power either. I'm not saying he looked terrible, because he showed decent footwork and ringcraft to handle the awkward Bika, but Froch is a murderous puncher and with Bute's slow punches with not much on them, Froch would just walk straight through him. I'm not a wealthy man, but I'd be willing to bet £1000 on a Froch win.
Thats probably the reason why your not a wealthy man , yes Bute is still quite raw but , frochs defence is absoloutly diabolicle.
Hawks28
06-21-2007, 06:45 PM
Just seen Bute for the first time against Bika. Very pleased with what I saw. Bute is slow and not heavy handed. Froch is in a different class by a mile. Froch by stoppage within three rounds
:lol: :lol: :lol:
New Wind
06-21-2007, 07:19 PM
regardless of who wins, I would pay good money to see that fight.
I hope Bute, but I kinda think that Froch might do it...
Or am I just starting to believe his own hype?
Hmm..
To me, it's a pick 'em fight.
Both would lose to mundine, tho.
Decebal
06-21-2007, 07:33 PM
US Five. Friday night fights every week 7pm although the day sometimes changes.
PS Next Weds 27th, documentary on Setanta about Tony Booth of Hull
Thanks, mate!:good
CASH_718
06-21-2007, 07:35 PM
Froch sucks he's garbage.
PH|LLA
06-21-2007, 07:37 PM
:blood
Decebal
06-21-2007, 07:38 PM
Bute is slow and not heavy handed. Froch is in a different class by a mile. Froch by stoppage within three rounds
Froch looked good against static and limited Sergey...Bute is not static - he has good footwork. He is not limited either. For starters, Froch would not be able to plough straight through him...Froch can punch, but Bute hits back, and from nice angles too! Bute does not have chin problems...the punch that grounded Tatevosyan would probably not have grounded Bute...we'll never know, though. Also, Bute would not have been cornered like that; in fact, he is more likely to do the cornering or...hit Froch hard on the counter with a bodyshot...Bute 112-106 UD.
DoumB
06-21-2007, 07:40 PM
Just seen Bute for the first time against Bika. Very pleased with what I saw. Bute is slow and not heavy handed. Froch is in a different class by a mile. Froch by stoppage within three rounds
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :patsch
Decebal
06-21-2007, 08:03 PM
To me, Bute didn't seem to punch particularly hard, be particularly well conditioned, or move particularly quickly. For someone who people have fallen in love with because of his physicality, I just don't see it.
...and for all that, he won at least 6 rounds against Bika convincingly. I agree, it wasn't particularly entertaining...but he did beat Bika, no doubt about that...and in the last 2 rounds or so...he looked pretty good too...whilst it is true that Bute is a percentage fighter who doesn't pull rabbits out of the bag anymore, he does win them. He would beat Froch and Inkin, and I think, in 6 months or so, he would beat Mundine...Who knows how his career would develop after that...I am looking forward to see him against Mr. Punch in September...then we'll be able to say whether Froch would have a chance or not...
DanePugilist
06-21-2007, 08:08 PM
As I see it - Froch only has a punchers chance.
I have always been impressed with Bute's array of combos. None of the fighters have a great defence though - I just feel Bute is the better boxer.
Sad to say I missed the Bute-Bika fight:S
kadoiron
06-21-2007, 08:09 PM
Bute has proven himself, Froch hasn't at all. There is the difference. Bute has a better record by far! We know Bute is no hype job, still not quite sure about Froch because his only impressive win comes against Tatevosyan which he basically recycled after Bute had already completely dismantled him 2 months earlier. Bute's got all the right to think he is better. Right now I would see Bute win this match-up by UD.
Decebal
06-21-2007, 08:09 PM
also, after watching the fight, I have found a new respect fro Bika...he seems like a nice guy outside... the ring...
Decebal
06-21-2007, 08:15 PM
Froch will go a different route. He has sensibly decided to get some more experience before doing the dangerous fights. He just has to take on Inkin though...there's no running away from that fact. Until he faces Inkin, Froch has to put up with all the ridicule, after his cocky talk...If he beats Inkin, he might get a shot at Bute...
Dunky McCafferty
06-21-2007, 08:38 PM
Seems like I am the only guy who was impressed by Bute!
After a slow start, he dominated the late stages of the fight with a great jab, & sharp left hooks. I think this kid can go all the way.
I cant believe people saying hes slow, I thought his handspeed was excellent. Bute got stronger as the fight went on too, & thats the sign of a special fighter.
Yeah, I was impressed with Bute.
kadoiron
06-21-2007, 09:03 PM
Seems like I am the only guy who was impressed by Bute!
After a slow start, he dominated the late stages of the fight with a great jab, & sharp left hooks. I think this kid can go all the way.
I cant believe people saying hes slow, I thought his handspeed was excellent. Bute got stronger as the fight went on too, & thats the sign of a special fighter.
Yeah, I was impressed with Bute.
don't worry you aren't the only one! His handspeed was awesome and he really displayed his ability to adapt to a fighter's style. He stayed on his game unlike Calzaghe who seemed to get pissed off at some times against Bika. Bute is good and Froch fans love to hate him that's all.
KO Boxing
06-21-2007, 09:44 PM
:lol:
Coming from anyone OTHER than someone from England, this would be a lot more believeable and credible.
I agree Bute is very readable and doesn't have the best head movement... But Froch is plain slow and even more readable!
crashzzz
06-21-2007, 09:55 PM
Plainly put, I haven't seen a boxer at SMW throw a better body punch than Bute...
Against Bika, after reviewing the fight, I don't see how Teddy could have given 3 rounds to Bika (the americain judges saw the fight correctly). Though more actif, his shots were constantly block by Bute, and Bute regularly connected to the body with his counters. I mean, how else would you explain that Bika slowed down so much in the latter rounds? Considering that against Calzaghe (who has great stamina) he even won the last rounds??
That's why I going with Bute by UD
DanePugilist
06-21-2007, 09:57 PM
I just watched this match - Bute kept his hands up alot more than I am used to see.
I don't think he is all to comfortable yet with fighting like that - but in time I think he will used it well with his gifted anticipation - and good overall awareness.
His great array of punches got the better of Bika, and I think it will do the same vs Froch. Froch is slower than Bika, but has longer reach and a bit better precision.
If Bute continues to enhance his defensive skills I have no doubt, he will put on end to Froch, whom I recognize as a rather lazy/(slobby!?) - yet deadly fighter.
Dunky McCafferty
06-21-2007, 10:02 PM
don't worry you aren't the only one! His handspeed was awesome and he really displayed his ability to adapt to a fighter's style. He stayed on his game unlike Calzaghe who seemed to get pissed off at some times against Bika. Bute is good and Froch fans love to hate him that's all.
To be totally honest, I didnt know that Froch fans hated Bute!
I have only seen Bute twice, when he beat my countryman Zane marks & when he beat Bika, & he has impressed me greatly both times.
But I do rate Froch too, hes got a fantastic uppercut that can change a fight in an instant. Froch's main strengths are that uppercut & a granite chin, but Bute IMO is the superior technician who has a bit of everything in his armoury, speed power & a wide range of punches.
So my opinion is completely unbiased, but now I want to see these two prospects get it on, cos of the fan rivalry:yep
I think Froch is chasing Calzaghe however, & I would give Froch a better chance of beating Calzaghe than Bute at this moment in time.
deram
06-21-2007, 11:30 PM
I have seen two of Bute's fights (havent seen teh Bika fight) and I am impressed. I have seen 30 secs of Froch and while he looked quite good, the word on the street seems to be that he rely almost entirely on his power.
Someone with really good power can do that, but mostly it is hard to build an entire career solely on power.
With the limited knowledge I have of Froch in mind, I would go with Bute here. Bute was not slow at all in the fights I have seen (nor was he as fast as a few people claim) - he has decent above average speed. He is technically good and probably less than five can compete in terms of technique with him in MW and SMW. He is a very big SMW and would dwarf Froch as well.
Again, I will need to see more of Froch and hope that the next Froch fight is a good one.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 05:02 AM
I haven't seen the Bute v. Bika fight
...clear your inbox, please!
Bute is a bit more talented than Froch, but neither man will end up on anybody's P4P list when it's all said and done.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 05:41 AM
could you do me the exact same favour, have never seen bute fight so i would really like to see it, and as your an excessice bute fan, you might want to spread the knowledge of your fighter:good
Done! Anyone else, please pm me! I will be glad to help!:good
Decebal
06-22-2007, 05:44 AM
Bute is a bit more talented than Froch, but neither man will end up on anybody's P4P list when it's all said and done.
as things stand, you are right...Bute was disappointing against Bika, save for the last 2-3 rounds. Still, Bika is a difficult customer...By the time Bute figured him out (round 9), there was only going to be one winner. I believe Bute can improve bit by bit, and if he shows the same flexibility and strategic discipline, he can compete against the best. I think he is talented enough...he just needs to work on a couple of things especially his defence. He still has time...there's no rush, but Bute is far from being the finished article yet...
By the way, have you noticed the massive gloves Bute has started to wear? Does it not mean he has decided tight defence is more important than power...?
Froch...I would be surprised if he amounted to more than Berrio...:deal
Strike
06-22-2007, 06:39 AM
I didn't see this fight, but I have seen about 4 other Bute fights and he looked much better than Froch has ever looked.
Bute was faster, threw better combinations and looked a more compact fighter who was not so easy to hit.
That said Froch has been more impressive recently, but I always said if Bute has a good chin, then Bute UD. If not then Froch could certainly stop him.
David UK
06-22-2007, 07:37 AM
In reply to a few of the above-
1) Froch fans have no hate for Bute. Just because we think Froch would win easily doesn't mean we hate Bute,or anyone else for that matter.
2) Yes, I'm a Froch fan, and yes, I'm English. However, that rather pleasing combination(how fortunate I am huh?) doesn't automatically mean that Froch wouldn't win!!
3) Yes, Bute has faced better opponents to date, but again that doesn't automatically mean a Bute win.
China_hand_Joe
06-22-2007, 07:39 AM
Froch isn't a brilliant boxer, he isn't the best at winning rounds. He can be deadly though as someone mentioned earlier. I'd hope Bute would be too smart to walk right into one of Froch's "journeyman killer" uppercuts.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 07:46 AM
In reply to a few of the above-
1) Froch fans have no hate for Bute. Just because we think Froch would win easily doesn't mean we hate Bute,or anyone else for that matter.
2) Yes, I'm a Froch fan, and yes, I'm English. However, that rather pleasing combination(how fortunate I am huh?) doesn't automatically mean that Froch wouldn't win!!
3) Yes, Bute has faced better opponents to date, but again that doesn't automatically mean a Bute win.
:good ...only thing I disagree with is that Froch COULD POSSIBLY win EASILY against Bute...I think that is most unrealistic...and I don't suppose the vast majority of Froch fans would tie that statement to their man's mast...
Decebal
06-22-2007, 07:48 AM
I'd hope Bute would be too smart to walk right into one of Froch's "journeyman killer" uppercuts.
:good Bute is a percentage fighter...he DOES NOT take unnecessary risks...also he is an intelligent fighter...why indeed would he play right into Froch's hands?
The Berrio fight will tell a lot about Froch's chances against Bute, though...we'll wait and see.
Brickhaus
06-22-2007, 10:21 AM
...and for all that, he won at least 6 rounds against Bika convincingly. I agree, it wasn't particularly entertaining...but he did beat Bika, no doubt about that...and in the last 2 rounds or so...he looked pretty good too...whilst it is true that Bute is a percentage fighter who doesn't pull rabbits out of the bag anymore, he does win them. He would beat Froch and Inkin, and I think, in 6 months or so, he would beat Mundine...Who knows how his career would develop after that...I am looking forward to see him against Mr. Punch in September...then we'll be able to say whether Froch would have a chance or not...
I guess so. I just think people are overestimating his natural abilities. He reminds me of a poor man's Jermain Taylor, not that that's a bad thing. With more expereince, he could surpass Taylor, who has regressed anyway. I expect him to beat Berrio, but I feel like he might have trouble against a pressure fighter who's a physical specimen. I have no idea if that's what Froch is, since I haven't seen him other than youtube clips, but watching this fight didn't make me believe (or at least want to believe) that Bute is the next big thing, especially if he has to move up to LHW in the next year or two (he LOOKS like he'll have to, but who knows).
Just seen Bute for the first time against Bika. Very pleased with what I saw. Bute is slow and not heavy handed. Froch is in a different class by a mile. Froch by stoppage within three rounds
Isnt Froch scheduled to take on Adamu in a rematch,or did I get something wrong?
"Forch is in a different class by a mile.Froch by stoppage within three rounds"
Well,I have no clue who would be the victor in a bout between Bute and Froch,but I would like to point out that Froch had a death and life struggle with a medicore African called Adamu who had lost a one-sided fight to Vitaly Tsypko just two weeks before Froch took on that unknown African.
"Forch is in a different class by a mile"??????
Decebal
06-22-2007, 10:43 AM
I guess so. I just think people are overestimating his natural abilities. He reminds me of a poor man's Jermain Taylor, not that that's a bad thing. With more expereince, he could surpass Taylor, who has regressed anyway. I expect him to beat Berrio, but I feel like he might have trouble against a pressure fighter who's a physical specimen. I have no idea if that's what Froch is, since I haven't seen him other than youtube clips, but watching this fight didn't make me believe (or at least want to believe) that Bute is the next big thing, especially if he has to move up to LHW in the next year or two (he LOOKS like he'll have to, but who knows).
Bute has been running on his natural talents so far. It's been enough against Bika and will be enough against Berrio Inkin and Froch. But it won't be enough against Andrade and Mundine, and certainly not against Calzaghe and Kessler, unless he improves. So what's the problem? He will improve...he's only had 20 professional fights and has much to learn. But he had been getting better from fight to fight, and has matched and surpassed better and better fighters. I don't see why that has to stop. Larouche will make sure he's ready for whoever he has to step into the ring with. Bute isn't stupid and can fight a gameplan. He won't take unnecessary risks even against specimens, so he has a good chance. From there, it's "Good luck to him!";)
scorpy
06-22-2007, 11:05 AM
I have seen two of Bute's fights (havent seen teh Bika fight) and I am impressed. I have seen 30 secs of Froch and while he looked quite good, the word on the street seems to be that he rely almost entirely on his power.
Someone with really good power can do that, but mostly it is hard to build an entire career solely on power.
With the limited knowledge I have of Froch in mind, I would go with Bute here. Bute was not slow at all in the fights I have seen (nor was he as fast as a few people claim) - he has decent above average speed. He is technically good and probably less than five can compete in terms of technique with him in MW and SMW. He is a very big SMW and would dwarf Froch as well.
Again, I will need to see more of Froch and hope that the next Froch fight is a good one.
There are loads of Froch clips on youtube :
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Decebal
06-22-2007, 11:54 AM
Does anyone agree that Froch should fight Inkin before thinking about Bute?
China_hand_Joe
06-22-2007, 11:57 AM
Brian Magee was almost level on the cards with Froch when he got stopped...bad signs for Carl. He needs Berrio if he ever wants to win a title.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 11:59 AM
Brian Magee was almost level on the cards with Froch when he got stopped...bad signs for Carl. He needs Berrio if he ever wants to win a title.
Berrio won't have a title for much longer...will he?:think
China_hand_Joe
06-22-2007, 12:01 PM
Probably not.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 12:06 PM
Probably not.
If Froch is the man his fans want him to be he should go for Inkin and stop calling Calzaghe et al. If he beats Inkin, the world will pay attention...Just like they will pay attention to Bute if he beats Berrio and decides to go for an unbeaten Inkin, a Froch that had beaten Inkin, or if he cannot get those two: Beyer/Braehmer (a lesser challenge) or maybe even Andrade/Lacy, before Mundine
Decebal
06-22-2007, 12:29 PM
By the way...I think both Froch and Inkin would gain more in the medium and long term if they fought each other and lost, then if they kept dodging each other, looking for morale boosting wins against journeymen...do you agree?:think
Decebal
06-22-2007, 12:56 PM
Anyone? Froch fans? No?:think
Amsterdam
06-22-2007, 12:58 PM
I'd take Froch if they were to fight now, but Bute will improve and Froch will decline, so the most likely scenerio of Bute/Froch if it happened down the road would be a wide Bute UD.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 01:00 PM
I'd take Froch if they were to fight now, but Bute will improve and Froch will decline, so the most likely scenerio of Bute/Froch if it happened down the road would be a wide Bute UD.
So what should Froch do next, in his next 2 fights, say...?
Do you agree that he should get it on with Inkin, finally?
Amsterdam
06-22-2007, 01:04 PM
So what should Froch do next, in his next 2 fights, say...?
Do you agree that he should get it on with Inkin, finally?
Yes.
Froch KO 5 Inkin.:good
Froch should take Bika, he'd be one to KO Bika finally and then take Inkin.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 01:09 PM
Yes.
Froch KO 5 Inkin.:good
Froch should take Bika, he'd be one to KO Bika finally and then take Inkin.
:happy Froch v. Bika :happy Bika TKO Froch:lol:
:happy Froch v. Inkin :happy Inkin UD:good
Just seen Bute for the first time against Bika. Very pleased with what I saw. Bute is slow and not heavy handed. Froch is in a different class by a mile. Froch by stoppage within three roundsi'll bet you that if they fight that won't happen.
Amsterdam
06-22-2007, 01:12 PM
:happy Froch v. Bika :happy Bika TKO Froch:lol:
:happy Froch v. Inkin :happy Inkin UD:good
Inkin UD would be a possibility, but Bika TKO, no.
Bika lacks the crushing power needed to hurt Froch and would get hit in return by Froch's speed/power combination and get stopped.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 01:15 PM
Inkin UD would be a possibility, but Bika TKO, no.
Bika lacks the crushing power needed to hurt Froch and would get hit in return by Froch's speed/power combination and get stopped.
Yeah, I admit Bika TKO Froch was a bit of a joke! Bika UD wouldn't be, though...:good
DanePugilist
06-22-2007, 01:24 PM
Inkin vs Froch can only result in a KO on either side.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 01:27 PM
Inkin vs Froch can only result in a KO on either side.
sounds even better! Let's get it on!:happy
David UK
06-22-2007, 01:41 PM
By the way...I think both Froch and Inkin would gain more in the medium and long term if they fought each other and lost, then if they kept dodging each other, looking for morale boosting wins against journeymen...do you agree?:think
Yes I agree. I'm very disappointed that Froch's next fight looks like it'll be against Robin Reid. Reid is well past his best and Froch won't gain any credit in beating him, which he undoubtedly will. Froch needs to get a move on, and at least fight for the European title, although he definately ready for the top fellas right now.
boxfan99
06-22-2007, 01:51 PM
:happy Froch v. Bika :happy Bika TKO Froch:lol:
:happy Froch v. Inkin :happy Inkin UD:good
Now I think you are going too far. There is no way I can see Bika beat Froch, Bika is a good spoiler but he doesn't win topfights at SMW, he is simply not technical good enough or strong enough for that matter. I know a lot of people think he was winning against Beyer after the first four rounds, but perhaps these people should consider he was winning against Bute too after the first rounds, I still think Beyer would have won a point decision if it wasn't because of the clash of heads.
Froch vs Inkin is much harder to predict. I guess it will be either Froch by KO or Inkin by decision. If I had to pick, I would pick Froch. They actually met as amateurs where Inkin took a decision after having survived a KD.
Decebal
06-22-2007, 02:04 PM
Now I think you are going too far. There is no way I can see Bika beat Froch
I was joking when I said Bika would TKO Froch, of course...but who knows...maybe Bika could get a decision against Froch...though, you are right, Froch has to be the favourite, to win by KO. The point is, Froch has to get a move on if he doesn't want to slip down the rankings. He has to fight someone at least as good as Bika...Bika is too low down the rankings now, by the way. So it will have to be someone like Beyer/Braehmer, or preferably, Inkin, don't you agree?
I would like to point out that Froch had a death and life struggle with a medicore African called Adamu who had lost a one-sided fight to Vitaly Tsypko just two weeks before Froch took on that unknown African.
"Forch is in a different class by a mile"??????
Well if that's the case then I don't see what the Froch fans are so vociferous about. :-((
Decebal
06-22-2007, 02:47 PM
Well if that's the case then I don't see what the Froch fans are so vociferous about. :-((
I guess they are rightly frustrated because they think their man is good, whilst knowing that he is untested at the highest level. This feeling is enhanced by the fact that Froch seems to display an unwillingness to take risks against top opponents that would allow him to back up his impressive chat...
Froch has two options: he keeps his head down and works his way slowly up the ranks, showing modesty and realism about his chances against the best OR he backs up his high opinion of himself by fighting Inkin/Lacy/Andrade. But he cannot have his cake and eat it too!;)
If you want to have a chance of being taken seriously by Calzaghe and Kessler, you have to take risks...this applies to Froch as much as it applies to Bute. There's no avoiding that, I think...
China_hand_Joe
06-22-2007, 03:06 PM
If Froch wasn't in slow motion he would be brilliant. Powerful and accurate. Calzaghe could possible shut him out. Froch cannot beat a genuinely world class fighter without a KO. It is impossible.
boxfan99
06-22-2007, 03:08 PM
I was joking when I said Bika would TKO Froch, of course...but who knows...maybe Bika could get a decision against Froch...though, you are right, Froch has to be the favourite, to win by KO. The point is, Froch has to get a move on if he doesn't want to slip down the rankings. He has to fight someone at least as good as Bika...Bika is too low down the rankings now, by the way. So it will have to be someone like Beyer/Braehmer, or preferably, Inkin, don't you agree?
Yes, I do.
The problem seems to be that Froch is not keen on travelling or taking risks (and yes I do know he has fought once in US), for instance I remember he called Kessler out some months back and wanted to fight him in Nottingham, I think it was. Then I have to ask, why do Froch think that Kessler should have to fight him in UK for Kesslers titles in a voluntary title defense?:patsch
Decebal
06-22-2007, 03:10 PM
If Froch wasn't in slow motion he would be brilliant. Powerful and accurate. Calzaghe could possible shut him out. Froch cannot beat a genuinely world class fighter without a KO. It is impossible.
Some genuinely world class fighters won't be KO'ed even by a puncher like Froch...
boxfan99
06-22-2007, 03:12 PM
Isnt Froch scheduled to take on Adamu in a rematch,or did I get something wrong?
"Forch is in a different class by a mile.Froch by stoppage within three rounds"
Well,I have no clue who would be the victor in a bout between Bute and Froch,but I would like to point out that Froch had a death and life struggle with a medicore African called Adamu who had lost a one-sided fight to Vitaly Tsypko just two weeks before Froch took on that unknown African.
"Forch is in a different class by a mile"??????
I think that fight has been cancelled???
In the fight against Adamu didn't Froch go down? Or am I misinformed.
teetop
06-22-2007, 03:21 PM
To be totally honest, I didnt know that Froch fans hated Bute!
I have only seen Bute twice, when he beat my countryman Zane marks & when he beat Bika, & he has impressed me greatly both times.
But I do rate Froch too, hes got a fantastic uppercut that can change a fight in an instant. Froch's main strengths are that uppercut & a granite chin, but Bute IMO is the superior technician who has a bit of everything in his armoury, speed power & a wide range of punches.
So my opinion is completely unbiased, but now I want to see these two prospects get it on, cos of the fan rivalry:yep
I think Froch is chasing Calzaghe however, & I would give Froch a better chance of beating Calzaghe than Bute at this moment in time.
Unless calzaghe slows down a full 50% that'll never happen
David UK
06-22-2007, 03:28 PM
I think that fight has been cancelled???
In the fight against Adamu didn't Froch go down? Or am I misinformed.
I was out the country when that fight occured so just about the only one of Froch's fights I haven't seen on tv or live, but I'm 99% sure he hasn't been floored as a pro by anyone. The Adamu score was 116-113 and Froch didn't look at his best. In actual fact that was during a rather flat period for him where he wasn't looking especially good and many thought he'd found his level.He's had nine fights since, and in his last three he's looked devastating
but look at the level he has been fighting at Dave...Dodson is hardly Lucian Bute.
The Tatesovyan performance would have been better if it had not been for the ref...
Froch needs a contender people recognise, Tatesovyan wasnt really a contender more of a guy contenders beat on there way up.
Froch needs Inkin or even dare I say it Sakio Bika, Robin Ried is quite clearly a waste of time!
deram
06-22-2007, 10:05 PM
but look at the level he has been fighting at Dave...Dodson is hardly Lucian Bute.
The Tatesovyan performance would have been better if it had not been for the ref...
Froch needs a contender people recognise, Tatesovyan wasnt really a contender more of a guy contenders beat on there way up.
Froch needs Inkin or even dare I say it Sakio Bika, Robin Ried is quite clearly a waste of time!
True.
I think that fight has been cancelled???
In the fight against Adamu didn't Froch go down? Or am I misinformed.
Yep! He went down against Adamu!
As for Forch vs Inkin I for my part would bet my money on Inkin as he is one of the best counterboxers out there.Inkin doesnt look good whenever he has to chase an opponent or meets a defensive minded foe inside a box ring,but whoever comes at him plays his game,and Inkin can play this kind of game quite well.
Decebal
06-23-2007, 10:20 AM
As for Forch vs Inkin I for my part would bet my money on Inkin as he is one of the best counterboxers out there.Inkin doesnt look good whenever he has to chase an opponent or meets a defensive minded foe inside a box ring,but whoever comes at him plays his game,and Inkin can play this kind of game quite well.
:good
KO Boxing
06-23-2007, 10:23 AM
Yep! He went down against Adamu!
As for Forch vs Inkin I for my part would bet my money on Inkin as he is one of the best counterboxers out there.Inkin doesnt look good whenever he has to chase an opponent or meets a defensive minded foe inside a box ring,but whoever comes at him plays his game,and Inkin can play this kind of game quite well.
So just for fun, who wins out of Mundine and Inkin? For some reason this fight intrigues me, although I doubt it'll ever happen (although Inkin is fighting for a WBA regional belt)
Decebal
06-23-2007, 10:25 AM
So just for fun, who wins out of Mundine and Inkin? For some reason this fight intrigues me, although I doubt it'll ever happen (although Inkin is fighting for a WBA regional belt)
I'd pick Mundine for now...
So just for fun, who wins out of Mundine and Inkin? For some reason this fight intrigues me, although I doubt it'll ever happen (although Inkin is fighting for a WBA regional belt)
Difficult pick,ko boxing! Could go either way! If forced I would probably bet my money on Inkin,but not much.
poink
06-25-2007, 04:10 AM
As I know... there will be Bute against Berrio, and Diaconu against Dawson somewhere in September in Bucharest. This has not been confirmed... but it would be GREATTTTT - I will not miss Bute's 2nd fight in Romania for nothing.
Now about a Bute - Froch match ... I can't go with anyone else but Bute... UD ... but could very easy go the other way if Froch throws just one big power shot when Lucian has the right hand down (like someone else said on this thread before); but if he improves his defense... nothing could go wrong.:happy
Decebal
06-25-2007, 05:17 AM
As I know... there will be Bute against Berrio, and Diaconu against Dawson somewhere in September in Bucharest. This has not been confirmed... but it would be GREATTTTT - I will not miss Bute's 2nd fight in Romania for nothing.
Now about a Bute - Froch match ... I can't go with anyone else but Bute... UD ... but could very easy go the other way if Froch throws just one big power shot when Lucian has the right hand down (like someone else said on this thread before); but if he improves his defense... nothing could go wrong.:happy
Interbox are trying to arrange Bute v. Berrio and Dawson v. Diaconu at the National Stadium in Bucharest, according to Bute and Diaconu's own wish, to fight in front of their many Romanian fans in Romania as well. If they cannot find enough money there, they will happily arrange a massive show back home in Montreal...I'm sure there will be plenty of fans, Canadian, Romanian and Canadian-Romanian, not to mention Québécois (!!) going to watch them there too!:rasta
poink
06-25-2007, 07:50 AM
Decebal... I can see you're a big Bute fan :good... so... just some questions:
1. are you Romanian or something (the nickname made me ask this) ? :)
2. do you know where I can see the bute-bika fight? I “watched” the match at the radio station (was not on TV in Romania) and nothing on Youtube and stuff... I'm dead in the water
Thanks!
poink
06-25-2007, 11:26 AM
thx dude!:happy
Decebal
06-25-2007, 11:27 AM
thx dude!:happy
Not at all!:good
PrideOfWales
05-23-2008, 04:20 PM
I think Froch is chasing Calzaghe however, & I would give Froch a better chance of beating Calzaghe than Bute at this moment in time.
I agree
marting
05-23-2008, 04:32 PM
After hearing all the negatives about Froch I was a little surprised by him in that fight with Rybacki. He didn't look that bad. He's a bit ko obsessed with that stalking thing with his arms cocked. Sort of reminded of Vic Darchinyan.
And we all know what happened to Darchinyan and his murderous punch.
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