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rvk2007
08-06-2007, 12:02 AM
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Calzaghe promises 2,000 punches:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I believe him and won't be surprised if he lands more.
Amsterdam
08-06-2007, 12:14 AM
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Calzaghe promises 2,000 punches:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ever heard of ridiculous statements made in order to hype a fight to the dumb casual fan?
Hmm? Never happens.
But maybe we could all pitch in and help Jaidon get chin implants.:think
Amsterdam
08-06-2007, 12:16 AM
Just a little bit cocky calzaghe he landed 1000 punches on jeff stand straight in front of you lacy and he says kesslers better than lacy and now he reakons he's gonna land 2000 punches he is in for 1 big shock.
Do you really think he's serious, or just doing the usual number of attempting to hype a fight by way of outlandish claims? Floyd Mayweather also said he was coming in to go toe to toe with Oscar, that didn't quite happen...
Then you can cite examples from virtually any other major fight.
dave82
08-06-2007, 12:28 AM
I think he means 2000 slaps!!
Marnoff
08-06-2007, 12:32 AM
I have no doubt he'll have a high punch output. Obviously 2000 is a lot, but it will be very high.
knockout
08-06-2007, 12:43 AM
Will see if he walks the walk. :think
knockout
08-06-2007, 12:56 AM
we shall see. i would like to see him land 1k first on mikkel, than we can worry about the other thousand.I dont think it will go the destance i mean come on you have two big bangers somebody is gettin knockout forget about the 2,000 :yep
boxbox
08-06-2007, 01:05 AM
hey its possible...start throwing punches even when the opponents on the other side.:bbb
Rock0052
08-06-2007, 01:07 AM
hey its possible...start throwing punches even when the opponents on the other side.:bbb
:lol:
dave82
08-06-2007, 02:02 AM
we shall see. i would like to see him land 1k first on mikkel, than we can worry about the other thousand.
Thats exactly right.
KO Boxing
08-06-2007, 02:16 AM
:patsch
Amsterdam
08-06-2007, 02:20 AM
What utter nonsense. Calzaghe will only be throwing like 100 punches a round or some pathetic number like that.
:yep
I'll tell you what MexicanJew, the collective IQ of ESB tonight judging from the reactions in this thread probably would score about 75. Ridiculous.
Taffyy
08-06-2007, 03:34 AM
I think he means 2000 slaps!!
Yep..........Those pucnhes of JC's are rubbish are'nt they.....:patsch .......... Ask Lacy you idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PATSYS
08-06-2007, 03:44 AM
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Calzaghe promises 2,000 punches:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Slight correction. 100 punches and 1900 slaps :yep
Farmboxer
08-06-2007, 04:04 AM
Calzaghe should never be underestimated.
Rollo
08-06-2007, 04:18 AM
Busy night for Joe, especially when you consider that heŽll get knocked out in round 9............:yep
Laydown
08-06-2007, 04:30 AM
Busy night for Joe, especially when you consider that heŽll get knocked out in round 9............:yep
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Vantage_West
08-06-2007, 04:51 AM
Ever heard of ridiculous statements made in order to hype a fight to the dumb casual fan?
Hmm? Never happens.
But maybe we could all pitch in and help Jaidon get chin implants.:think:good
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 04:56 AM
Why is it everytime joe's name come's up i can only think 1 thing....
SAKIO BIKA....
Hope he doesnt have a night like that.
Actually i do.....GO KESSLER...
Vantage_West
08-06-2007, 04:58 AM
Why is it everytime joe's name come's up i can only think 1 thing....
SAKIO BIKA....
Hope he doesnt have a night like that.
Actually i do.....GO KESSLER...he won only losing 3 rounds in the whole fight.....:think very strange
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 05:01 AM
I give Calzaghe not more then 3 rounds against Mikkel Kessler,if he gets to round 6, Kessler got paid to let him go that far.Mikkel Kessler by a big KO. Dont believe me ? wait and see.
so the man who couldn't put glass jaw away mundine, one of sven ottkes limited ko victims is going to smash calzaghe out in 3? :patsch
get off mikkels nuts and realise this is gonna be his toughest fight by a huge distance.
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 05:34 AM
he won only losing 3 rounds in the whole fight.....:think very strange
I happened to be at the fight last year and the fanatical welsh fans were of the same judgement as me that joe really struggled in that bout..
Im aware he won convincingly on the scorecards but they didnt tell the whole story of the bout.
Even the biggest calzaghe nuthugger would admit that a performance like that will end his night in tears against kessler.
Im actually loving the constant hype about calzaghe...
if Kessler happens to lose it would be expected by most BUT if he wins than he would become a INSTANT LEGEND among most nuthuggers on this site..
Im still amazed to how a victory over the overhyped Jeff "WHERE DID THE LEFT HOOK GO" lacy could elevate some1 to automatic legend status...
I know the U.k havent got much great boxers at the moment but come on people...
jyuza
08-06-2007, 05:52 AM
Just a little bit cocky calzaghe he landed 1000 punches on jeff stand straight in front of you lacy and he says kesslers better than lacy and now he reakons he's gonna land 2000 punches he is in for 1 big shock.
1000 punches on Lacy ? You mean 1000 punches thrown right ?
Cause he landed something like 450/500 punches on Lacy (don't remember who counted that in this forum).
Max Molyneux
08-06-2007, 05:55 AM
We will see
Kessler's getting a beating.:deal
DamonD
08-06-2007, 06:08 AM
1000 punches on Lacy ? You mean 1000 punches thrown right ?
Cause he landed something like 450/500 punches on Lacy (don't remember who counted that in this forum).
Did someone did a count here for the fight?
Because I've never believed that 1000+ punches landed crap, that would be 83 landed per round...I could see that for a round or two, but not all 12.
And now Joe's promising to land an average of 166+ shots a round? Almost one per second? At least he's ambitious.
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 06:11 AM
[quote=fluxstuff]
Kessler is not significantly stronger that Joe
Joe did not "struggle" with Bika.
Yes we all believe you..
WANKER.:hi: :hi: :hi:
Leeroy
08-06-2007, 06:23 AM
Calzaghe wont have time to land 2000 punches - Kessler is getting knocked out.
Shake
08-06-2007, 06:30 AM
Joe's just hyping. He doesn't take this statement of his seriously, and nobody here should. Heck, for this day and age, he's keeping it tasteful -- just some teasing without flat-out insulting, degrading, or making light of his opponent.
nrgetic
08-06-2007, 06:40 AM
Calzaghe will need to move a lot in this fight to nullify Kesslers jab. Kessler relies on the jab and if calzaghe can take that out of play then Calzaghe winning on point is probably the most likely outcome but if he tries to mix it he is getting KOed
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 06:40 AM
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Listen, cockface, I know this is complicated but, if you want to disagree with someone, it usually helps if you make a point to do so. Since you made no point, you clearly had none. So like all pointless things, it'd be best if you just fuck off.
What was that Wayne????
Betty Swollocks
08-06-2007, 06:42 AM
bit disappointing from Joe, who should be looking at more like 3500 punches in this fight. Still, he usually does just enough to get the wins, so he feels that 2000 punches is enough to get the job done.
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 06:44 AM
Its aint about qauntity but qaulity of punches...
In this case joe throws 2000 useless punches
Kessler throws 1 and gggoooooodddddnnnniiiiggggghhhhhhhtttttt
Guiseppe Calzaghe ya mug...
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 06:48 AM
kessler doesn't even get close to jeff lacy type power, kessler is not taking calzaghe out, he isn't some one punch ko merchant.
Its aint about qauntity but qaulity of punches...
In this case joe throws 2000 useless punches
Kessler throws 1 and gggoooooodddddnnnniiiiggggghhhhhhhtttttt
Guiseppe Calzaghe ya mug...
There is no way in hell Kessler will stop Calzaghe with just one shot, NO WAY even if he lands a huge punch Calzaghe will take it and fire back.
nrgetic
08-06-2007, 06:49 AM
Bollovks. When did Kessler suddenly become this fearsome puncher?
He's got pop, but we're not talking Gerald Mclellan type punching here - he won't KO Joe: No way.
Its not the punching power that is Kessler's limitation is it his relatively static style so Calzaghe needs to move. Absolute guarantee if Calzaghe doesn't move his only movement will be towards to canvas
jyuza
08-06-2007, 06:51 AM
Did someone did a count here for the fight?
Because I've never believed that 1000+ punches landed crap, that would be 83 landed per round...I could see that for a round or two, but not all 12.
And now Joe's promising to land an average of 166+ shots a round? Almost one per second? At least he's ambitious.
Yeah someone did count the punches landed by Joe in the Lacy fight.
You made a point, throwing 1 punch per second is impossible for Joe throughout 12 rounds let alone landing them all :deal
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 06:58 AM
There is no way in hell Kessler will stop Calzaghe with just one shot, NO WAY even if he lands a huge punch Calzaghe will take it and fire back.
Too be honest none of us know what will happen..All speculation..
Im sick of the talk..I will never comment on this bout again..
GOODBYE...
surreal deal
08-06-2007, 07:15 AM
2000 per round?
nah, maybe1800
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 07:23 AM
He is serious about landing, yes landing 2000 punches - I've heard some legendary plans are being made by Enzo Calzaghe for this fight which will redefine the sport forever -fullstop-
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 07:25 AM
You made a point, throwing 1 punch per second is impossible for Joe throughout 12 rounds let alone landing them all :deal He is likely to exceed one punch per second in November, you won't believe what you are seeing -fullstop-
naked heels
08-06-2007, 07:32 AM
can you imagine if everybody actually did during a fight what they said they was going to do before it !! .....just ask delahoya !
i think what he is getting at is he will be throwing a serious amount of punches,thats not really important,joe doesnt possess devistating power so surely the amount of LANDING punches is going to be the key,the lacy fight being a perfect example....although a close fight on paper it turned out an easy nights work just through physical fitness and punch rate,which surely has to be the same way with kessler...joe can fight at a hard pace for 12 rounds and that is his key to victory whoever the opponent is,what pace he can stay at if he gets caught with 1 or 2 good shots is another matter !
personally i see a similar fight to the lacy one with the same result.
jyuza
08-06-2007, 07:33 AM
He is likely to exceed one punch per second in November, you won't believe what you are seeing -fullstop-
Can't wait for the fight.
K0NPHL1C7
08-06-2007, 07:49 AM
Patty-cake, patty-cake, Bakers man, 2000 punches Joe will not land. 1,000 slaps, no more no less, and Joe C's back lands on the canvas.
K0NPHL1C7
08-06-2007, 07:51 AM
He is likely to exceed one punch per second in November, you won't believe what you are seeing -fullstop-
I doubt we'll see even one punch per round. I wouldn't doubt if his pitter-patter patty-cake bitch slaps land 1/second tough. Not like that's any thing to brag about though.
LeedsLad
08-06-2007, 07:57 AM
"it'll be 2000 slaps" your all so fucking original:lol::lol::lol:
I cant wait till this fight is over, i actually liked Kessler until i realised how moronic some of his fans are. He aint winning this fight
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 08:11 AM
Calzaghe will land in excess of 1500 punches, I guarentee it
dumdane
08-06-2007, 08:14 AM
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how do the danes keep finding these obscure news articles which never make the uk national press.
are the welsh recipricating and have all started ordering the greenland /spitzbergun inuit boxing news
dumdane
08-06-2007, 08:18 AM
Exactly. BIG differense between punches thrown and punches landed.
Against Kessler i expect that difference will be significantly higher than Calzaghe is used to.
Calzaghe doesn't take the cautious road in. He WILL get clocked numerous times going in against Kessler's timing and accuracy. I think he'll fold well before Kessler does.
I don't doubt Calzaghe when he says he'll throw lots in that fight - even if 2000 is a bit optimistic:think
But don't expect him to land anything reflecting the output.
K0NPHL1C7
08-06-2007, 08:18 AM
Calzaghe will land in excess of 1500 punches, I guarentee it
At least you're admitting there's no way in hell he get's the Kayo. Now if we could only get you to admit that he doesn't land punches...
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 08:20 AM
I know 1500 punches sounds ridiculous, but the rules of boxing will need to be changed after the tactics Calzaghe uses in this fight
AllyT
08-06-2007, 08:31 AM
This may not be the outlandish boast many think it is.
Calzaghe was credited by ITV with landing over 1000 punches on Lacy.
His punch rate against Manfrado was 180 per round. If team Calzaghe believe he can keep this work rate up he may well throw around 2000 against a fairly static boxer such as Kessler. Extremely high work rate is the trademark of Enzo Calzaghes boxers and this estimate while ambitious is not out of the question, should the fight go the distance.
I think however, Calzaghe will simply be too much for Kessler who will not go the distance.
K0NPHL1C7
08-06-2007, 08:33 AM
I know 1500 punches sounds ridiculous, but the rules of boxing will need to be changed after the tactics Calzaghe uses in this fight
I agree, they should mimic the scoring system of Olympic boxing, where only effective punches that land at the end of the glove are counted, rather than just anything the fioghter decides to throw in hopes of making it look like he is doing something.
LeedsLad
08-06-2007, 08:36 AM
I agree, they should mimic the scoring system of Olympic boxing, where only effective punches that land at the end of the glove are counted, rather than just anything the fioghter decides to throw in hopes of making it look like he is doing something.
:lol::lol::lol:Its nice you have your excuses ready already. Lacy was cut above both eyes in his corner after the 4th round, all from punches or 'slaps':lol: Not effective??
boxfan99
08-06-2007, 08:44 AM
This may not be the outlandish boast many think it is.
Calzaghe was credited by ITV with landing over 1000 punches on Lacy.
His punch rate against Manfrado was 180 per round. If team Calzaghe believe he can keep this work rate up he may well throw around 2000 against a fairly static boxer such as Kessler. Extremely high work rate is the trademark of Enzo Calzaghes boxers and this estimate while ambitious is not out of the question, should the fight go the distance.
I think however, Calzaghe will simply be too much for Kessler who will not go the distance.
Even if he throws 2000 punches, which he won't, do you actually believe he will land all of them?:nut I am starting to believe/fear that some people would believe him even if he had said 3000 punches.:patsch He is just trying to hype the fight, but the hype certainly brings out the gullible.
achillesthegreat
08-06-2007, 08:46 AM
joe has as good a chance as any.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 08:47 AM
I am starting to believe/fear that some people would believe him even if he had said 3000 punches.:patsch Strange you should say 3000, that is the punchrate Calzaghe has been aiming at in training, although only for 90 second rounds
Gneus7
08-06-2007, 08:49 AM
Calzaghe knows this is his hardest fight ever. He'll come out fighting like he never has before. I guarantee he'll give everything he's got.
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 08:54 AM
This may not be the outlandish boast many think it is.
Calzaghe was credited by ITV with landing over 1000 punches on Lacy.
His punch rate against Manfrado was 180 per round. If team Calzaghe believe he can keep this work rate up he may well throw around 2000 against a fairly static boxer such as Kessler. Extremely high work rate is the trademark of Enzo Calzaghes boxers and this estimate while ambitious is not out of the question, should the fight go the distance.
I think however, Calzaghe will simply be too much for Kessler who will not go the distance.
You mentioned Lacy than Manfready but you missed a bout inbetween.
SAKIO BIKA...
How many he land there..
Its was 9million werent it???
I love it how people keep refeering to his bout with lacy but that is yesterday's news....
And guiseppe Calzaghe is yesterday's hero...
:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :thumbsup
cjk44
08-06-2007, 09:27 AM
straight 1-2 is all that kessler offers add that to poor footwork gives calzaghe a comfortable UD decision.
can believe people are debating that calzaghe gonna land 2000 punches
ozziebattler
08-06-2007, 09:38 AM
straight 1-2 is all that kessler offers add that to poor footwork gives calzaghe a comfortable UD decision.
can believe people are debating that calzaghe gonna land 2000 punches
I cant believe you got that gay avatar...
By the way joe will land 9million punches in 7 and half rounds than become the greatest ever boxer by beating Jeff "WHERE DID THE LEFT HOOK GO"Lacy and Mikkel Kessler..
Your my hero joe...You really are:censored :censored :censored :gun :gun :gun
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 09:53 AM
I cant believe you got that gay avatar...
By the way joe will land 9million punches in 7 and half rounds than become the greatest ever boxer by beating Jeff "WHERE DID THE LEFT HOOK GO"Lacy and Mikkel Kessler..
Your my hero joe...You really are:censored :censored :censored :gun :gun :gun
you're the sort of cunt who if joe wins will simply write kessler off as green and a eurobum just so you can slag off calzaghe some more whilst jerking yourself into a frenzy.
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:12 AM
He is serious about landing, yes landing 2000 punches - I've heard some legendary plans are being made by Enzo Calzaghe for this fight which will redefine the sport forever -fullstop-
Would these plans involve tieing Kessler to the ropes - question mark - -yellow smilie with a puzzled look on its face - Anyway, what is your source - question mark -
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Calzaghe will land in excess of 1500 punches, I guarentee it
-blue smilie with sad look on its face, shaking its head in disappointment - you are already backing down - exclamation mark -
curtis
08-06-2007, 10:20 AM
Well the comment is generating intress
trash talk, ever heard of it ?
:deal
MrMagic
08-06-2007, 10:21 AM
I believe him and won't be surprised if he lands more.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
K0NPHL1C7
08-06-2007, 10:21 AM
:lol::lol::lol:Its nice you have your excuses ready already. Lacy was cut above both eyes in his corner after the 4th round, all from punches or 'slaps':lol: Not effective??
Excuses? For what? I could care less about the fight to be honest, just find it hard to be a fan of a guy who is nothing more than myper-active and relies on "explosive" fits of slapping.
Jeff Lacy was an over-hyped oaf who didn't even belong in the ring, and I said so well before the opening bell. You put me in the ring with a 14-year-old girl and I'll likley make her bleed out her face as well, but what's that prove?
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 10:24 AM
Would these plans involve tieing Kessler to the ropes - question mark - -yellow smilie with a puzzled look on its face - Anyway, what is your source - question mark -There will be a lot of body shots against Kessler - watch the Rees fight to see the kind of body shot
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:26 AM
There will be a lot of body shots against Kessler - watch the Rees fight to see the kind of body shot
I have to admit I thought he was counting only the head shots. Are the body shots included in the 2000?:think
I would, but Calzaghe v. Reid has been taken off youtube by the best promoter in the world.
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 10:31 AM
Oh great, so he doesn't plan on landing a single meaningful punch then? If you're planning on 2,000 in fifty minutes you can't be figuring on exerting yourself too much on any one of them.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 10:32 AM
I have to admit I thought he was counting only the head shots. Are the body shots included in the 2000?:think
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China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 10:33 AM
Oh great, so he doesn't plan on landing a single meaningful punch then? If you're planning on 2,000 in fifty minutes you can't be figuring on exerting yourself too much on any one of them.He'll throw quite a few more than 2000
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:34 AM
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My bad...additional proof, if any was required that I am ignorant AND arrogant!:patsch
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 10:36 AM
Does anyone want a lifetime ban bet regarding Calzaghe landing 1500 punches -questionmark-
MrMagic
08-06-2007, 10:39 AM
Does anyone want a lifetime ban bet regarding Calzaghe landing 1500 punches -questionmark-
Yes I would EASILY take that bet.
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 10:40 AM
He'll throw quite a few more than 2000
Okay. I'm not really concerned about whether he does or doesn't back that claim up. What worries me, is that the human body is only capable of reserving so much energy - and directing all that energy towards ridiculously high output logically means diverting energy from the aggression and power aspect of offense, as in actually sitting down on any punches. If his goal is to make history with his activity level, then clearly he is placing zero emphasis on landing anything significant and damaging. So much for any 'Kessler gets stopped' predictions. And don't talk about accumulation. The type of punches that get you up into that number do not even do accumulative damage.
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:41 AM
I see exactly what you mean, China_hand_Joe! Yes, that looks achievable!:D
Enzo has done an amazing job! Congratulations.
Sometimes, when I watch Rees, he reminds me of JC...
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:43 AM
:old "Do not underestimate the body shot!"
It seems very wise for JC to go to the body; he doesn't want to break his hands too early.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 10:46 AM
As I said, there will be rule changes after this fight - regarding legal techniques and the scoring system
MrMagic
08-06-2007, 10:47 AM
As I said, there will be rule changes after this fight - regarding legal techniques and the scoring system
Are you saying that Calzaghe will LAND 2k punches? Then he have to THROW about 4k and land 50% of those 4k punches..
RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 10:49 AM
Are you saying that Calzaghe will LAND 2k punches? Then he have to THROW about 4k and land 50% of those 4k punches..
RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't be surprised to find the reasoning here is that he will land 2000 of 2500. :lol:
Peter S. A.
08-06-2007, 10:50 AM
Go Kessler.
MrMagic
08-06-2007, 10:51 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to find the reasoning here is that he will land 2000 of 2500. :lol:
Yeah I dunno what the hell these guys are smoking, but I want some :hat
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:53 AM
Are you saying that Calzaghe will LAND 2k punches? Then he have to THROW about 4k and land 50% of those 4k punches..
RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!
No, it's not ridiculous if the flurries of right-left-right-left-right-left punches to the body are conted as 6! And those six will be followed by at least another 2-3 to the head - all within less than 3 seconds! Also, whenever JC will he held, he'll keep on giving those flurries to the body and hitting the temples - another 9 shots!
Question: do these body shots count with the judges? I thought only head shots counted...and JC won't really be aming to do damage with those shots, will he?
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 10:56 AM
Question: do these body shots count with the judges? I thought only head shots counted...and JC won't really be aming to do damage with those shots, will he?Amature boxing body shots aren't much use, pro they are
Decebal
08-06-2007, 10:58 AM
Amature boxing body shots aren't much use, pro they are
yes, but do the judges put as much value on a good body shot as on a good headshot? Also, would those flurries of 6 shots to the body count as much as 6 shots to the head?:blood
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 10:58 AM
CHJ you have not addressed my point that Calzaghe has to be completely throwing the idea of sitting on any of these punches out the window if he's just concentrating on putting on an "omg check out my sustained handspeed" clinic. Don't know about you, but I was expecting more of a war in this fight, and Joe showing off and setting records doesn't generate the same kind of excitement I'd been looking forward to.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 10:59 AM
yes, but do the judges put as much value on a good body shot as on a good headshot? Also, would those flurries of 6 shots to the body count as much as 6 shots to the head?:bloodArm punches to the body aren't that great for scoring
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 11:00 AM
CHJ you have not addressed my point that Calzaghe has to be completely throwing the idea of sitting on any of these punches out the window if he's just concentrating on putting on an "omg check out my sustained handspeed" clinic.Redefining boxing technique and strategy will be enough - who cares about KOing some Dane -questionmark-
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 11:01 AM
Redefining boxing technique and strategy will be enough - who cares about KOing some Dane -questionmark-
he can do that another time. i'd rather he didn't even fight kessler if it isn't going to be rough and physical. :(
hell, he doesn't need an opponent to accomplish this feat. why not just put "Joe vs. The Speedbag" on PPV? :lol:
Decebal
08-06-2007, 11:05 AM
CHJ you have not addressed my point that Calzaghe has to be completely throwing the idea of sitting on any of these punches out the window if he's just concentrating on putting on an "omg check out my sustained handspeed" clinic. Don't know about you, but I was expecting more of a war in this fight, and Joe showing off and setting records doesn't generate the same kind of excitement I'd been looking forward to.
I think Joe will be aiming to do two things:
1. Rees style body-shot flurries accompanied by head shots at the end of the combo, whenever he cannot get inside or when they are holding
2. swarming and drowning Kessler like he did Lacy with his slaps for most of the time
These could lead to a TKO - Kessler is working on his speed, but JC is too - he will even outspeed the previous JC...thus, the punch count.
And that would be exciting!
Decebal
08-06-2007, 11:07 AM
Arm punches to the body aren't that great for scoring
I am sorry, but I still don't get it; are there any kind of punches to the body that DO score, unless they lead to a KD?
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 11:08 AM
Mikkel "The Speedbag" Kessler will be his name from Nov 3rd onwards
Guru_Too_You
08-06-2007, 11:08 AM
Kessler's jab wont allow Calzaghe to get off more than 8-900 punches.
This is a ludicrous statement.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 11:10 AM
I am sorry, but I still don't get it; are there any kind of punches to the body that DO score, unless they lead to a KD?All body shots are worth something, the cleaner and harder the better obviously
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 11:13 AM
I think Joe will be aiming to do two things:
1. Rees style body-shot flurries accompanied by head shots at the end of the combo, whenever he cannot get inside or when they are holding
2. swarming and drowning Kessler like he did Lacy with his slaps for most of the time
These could lead to a TKO - Kessler is working on his speed, but JC is too - he will even outspeed the previous JC...thus, the punch count.
And that would be exciting!
A- speed w/ A+ power beats A++ speed w/ B+ power.
Now obviously I'm not saying Joe doesn't have the potential to throw a hard shot, but if he's going strictly for speed we won't see any of it. Kessler isn't that far behind Joe in speed, and he will be sitting down on a good many of his shots, rest assured.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 11:14 AM
Kessler is going to totally off balance with a punch coming at at him every second of the fight, he won't be able to set himself at all
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 11:17 AM
Kessler is going to totally off balance with a punch coming at at him every second of the fight, he won't be able to set himself at all What is that you've seen of him specifically that makes you so sure Kessler is going to be a helpless ragdoll, moreso than past opponents? Aside from him having a very conventional style.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 11:20 AM
A lack of physical strength
henrik
08-06-2007, 11:20 AM
:patsch ooh my god... then heŽs gotta land about 1000 slaps each round...he will get KOed in 3.
:yikes
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 11:21 AM
What is that you've seen of him specifically that makes you so sure Kessler is going to be a helpless ragdoll, moreso than past opponents? Aside from him having a very conventional style.
there are some out there worried about mikkels ability to handle a swarmer like joe, on the few occasions the timid mundine swarmed kessler he looked very uneasy. this could be a major cause for concern.
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 11:21 AM
A lack of physical strength
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ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 11:22 AM
:patsch ooh my god... then heŽs gotta land about 1000 slaps each round...he will get KOed in 3.
:yikes
go find a new sport. :roll:
Guru_Too_You
08-06-2007, 11:23 AM
there are some out there worried about mikkels ability to handle a swarmer like joe, on the few occasions the timid mundine swarmed kessler he looked very uneasy. this could be a major cause for concern.
Kessler was suffering from well documented back problems at the time of that fight and still handled Mundine very effectively.
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 11:25 AM
Kessler was suffering from well documented back problems at the time of that fight and still handled Mundine very effectively.
i'd also expect calzaghe, bute and froch to handle the glass jawed aussie with ease.
henrik
08-06-2007, 11:26 AM
go find a new sport. :roll:
:blabla :blabla
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 11:28 AM
i'd also expect calzaghe, bute and froch to handle the glass jawed aussie with ease.
how does that prove the conjectural statement that kessler will buckle under pressure?
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 11:31 AM
how does that prove the conjectural statement that kessler will buckle under pressure?
i'm simply pointing out that kessler looked uncomfortable being swarmed by a fairly timid, and very average boxer in mundine, when someone of the aggression and skill of calzaghe does the same it could create new levels of trouble for kessler.
Guru_Too_You
08-06-2007, 11:31 AM
i'd also expect calzaghe, bute and froch to handle the glass jawed aussie with ease.
I agree, but to discredit Mikkel based on that performance is wrong, especially since he just piss pounded a pure pressure fighter with relative ease.
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 11:32 AM
i'm simply pointing out that kessler looked uncomfortable being swarmed by a fairly timid, and very average boxer in mundine, when someone of the aggression and skill of calzaghe does the same it could create new levels of trouble for kessler.
I think it goes without saying that Joe will present more problems than Mikkel's even seen, by a good breadth. I'm not at all willing to say it's a foregone conclusion that he won't be able to handle it, though.
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 11:32 AM
I agree, but to discredit Mikkel based on that performance is wrong, especially since he just piss pounded a pure pressure fighter with relative ease.
those weren't my intentions, it was a good performance a long way from home, with the exception of that one little possible weakness being exposed.
ThePlugInBabies
08-06-2007, 11:33 AM
I think it goes without saying that Joe will present more problems than Mikkel's even seen, by a good breadth. I'm not at all willing to say it's a foregone conclusion that he won't be able to handle it, though.
...and neither did i.
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 11:35 AM
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08-06-2007, 11:37 AM
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This song would get Calzaghe pumped enought to land 20,000 punches!
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 11:42 AM
People saying it is impossible for someone boxing 12 rounds to land 2000 punches are right, but this will not be boxing as anyone of you know it
Decebal
08-06-2007, 11:43 AM
People saying it is impossible for someone boxing 12 rounds to land 2000 punches are right, but this will not be boxing as anyone of you know it
:lol::good
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 12:18 PM
I'm the underdog against Kessler which is fine by me.
Calzaghe thinks he's the underdog? That's not what he's been saying before the fight. He used to say he was the best and that Kessler is just another Lacy and now all of a sudden he's the underdog. Something tells me Calzaghe is ready to lose this fight.Calzaghe was the underdog against Lacy
jecxbox
08-06-2007, 12:27 PM
haha... 2,000 Slaps or not slaps THAT SHIT HURTS!
IntentionalButt
08-06-2007, 12:34 PM
haha... 2,000 Slaps or not slaps THAT SHIT HURTS!
hurting is not the same as damaging. points are scored on effective aggressiveness. :deal
jecxbox
08-06-2007, 12:40 PM
Combinations are damaging though. I don't want to change the topic of the thread but just making a comparison here; I think its safe to say that a prime Tito had the heavier punches than the prime DLH..But both fighters disposed of the same opponents in very similar rounds. Tito could do it with 1 left hook at a time and DLH would do it with 3-4 punch combinations. I think it would be very dumb for Kessler to underestimate Calzaghes punching power cus when you get hit by a flurry of punches the human brain won't like it. Not only that but combinations can really disrupt your whole body movement and just paralyze you. I can't wait to see how each other are going to fight in this one.
jecxbox
08-06-2007, 12:42 PM
"points are scored on effective aggressiveness"
Yea and what happened on Saturday with Morales vs Diaz? Diaz's aggression wasn't what I'd call effective at all.
PolishPummler
08-06-2007, 12:45 PM
Keep in mind that 7 of his slaps actually equal 1 regular punch.
henrik
08-06-2007, 02:53 PM
If you take a look at joe´s last fight against peter manfredo jr.,and watch his combinations that cause the stoppage,it´s on youtube,and you see it in slow motion,I mean NOTHING he,absolutely nothing was shaking manfredo! he landed nothing IMO...watch it for your self...i know that joe c is absolutly MUTCH more than what he showed in that fight,there was altso BIKA...hmmm.not that good IMO.
I think this match is so great because they both got skills,power and punch.
But i altso strongly belive that kessler is mutch more,just wait and see...
he'll really land about 50 punches and 1,950 slaps...
MrMagic
08-06-2007, 03:05 PM
No, it's not ridiculous if the flurries of right-left-right-left-right-left punches to the body are conted as 6! And those six will be followed by at least another 2-3 to the head - all within less than 3 seconds! Also, whenever JC will he held, he'll keep on giving those flurries to the body and hitting the temples - another 9 shots!
Question: do these body shots count with the judges? I thought only head shots counted...and JC won't really be aming to do damage with those shots, will he?
So you're saying he will punch about 4k times? which is about 2punches per second, non stop for 12 rounds, you're fucking delusional thats what you are :rofl
youthmann
08-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Joe is a slapper - that's the fact we all have see his fights. But he is also MUCH more than a slapper - his a brilliant boxer and is very difficult to box.
But, this fight will probably be the end for Joe. Maybe Joe will go the distance, but dahm he will be floored several times. MK beats JC and shows everybody who's the SMW king. I don't even think that JC want's a rematch.
Dahm, can't wait until 3 nov.. But still - lets be fair and say - MAY THE BEST WARRIOR WIN.
Decebal
08-06-2007, 03:09 PM
So you're saying he will punch about 4k times? which is about 2punches per second, non stop for 12 rounds, you're fucking delusional thats what you are :rofl
I am saying he COULD punch IN THIS FASHION over 1000 times; whether these punches would create any real damage or whether they would be just slaps/pats is another matter. How does that sound?
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 03:28 PM
So you're saying he will punch about 4k times? which is about 2punches per second, non stop for 12 rounds, you're fucking delusional thats what you are :roflHe has been achieving simila numbers in sparring recently - not yet for 12 3 minute rounds though
satyriion
08-06-2007, 04:38 PM
What Mario calzaghe says about the 2k punches is true.
But it wil be incredible speed, so fast only the ringside judges will be able to see the landed punches. To the general tv audience it will look like he doesn't land anything. But the ringside judges will see it and make fair and just ruling without pressure from the 60+ italians. Cardiff is a strange name for an italian city.
Mario Calzaghe will be the new emperor. The emperor without clothes.
When he wakes up after 1-2 minutes of utter silence. Slowly regaining his hearing as the first sense, the thunder and roar of the 60+ italians screaming in agony and disappointment of the utter humilation of their hero, will become clearer, aswell as the realisation that he has to open his eyes and face the audience and his destructor and superior man; Kessler.King Kessler
Calzaghe is brave. Brave to end his career with the largest indoorcrowd ever.
C Money
08-06-2007, 05:09 PM
JC is hyping the fight a little here with a 2000 number. It's an admirable number to speak of though not realistic in any sense coming out at 166.66 per round. It's high output at 100 per round and not many reach that ballpark.
Good for Joe aiming high!!! What this translates to in my opinion is he's taking Kessler seriously and preparing to go all out:good
This will be a hell of a fight, and I edge Calzaghe and hearing him speak like that is all good IMO, it shows DRIVE:yep
boxfan99
08-06-2007, 05:25 PM
He has been achieving simila numbers in sparring recently - not yet for 12 3 minute rounds though
China, if you are so sure about Calzaghes superhuman abilities then let's have a bet, you can chose one of the following two bets, depending on which one you feel most confident in winning. Here are the terms:
1
I'll say Calzaghe won't "even" throw 2500 punches in the fight according to CompuBox, and you say that Calzaghe will throw 2500 or more shots according to Compubox.
If the fight is ruled a NC or aTD then we cancel the bet.
Stake: The loser have to leave the forum for 6 months (and that includes aliases).
2
I'll say Calzaghe won't "even" land 1000 punches in the fight according to Compubox, and you say that Calzaghe will land 1000 or more shots according to Compubox.
If the fight is ruled a NC or a TD then we cancel the bet.
Stake: The loser have to leave the forum for 6 months (and that includes aliases).
Well, do we have a bet, China? Or do you not have that much faith in Calzaghe when it comes down to it after all?:D
boxfan99
08-06-2007, 05:35 PM
Christ... imagine people taking a joke so seriously.
Only when you take it too far.;)
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 05:37 PM
I'll draw up a thread now for the punch stat bets
boxfan99
08-06-2007, 05:46 PM
I'll draw up a thread now for the punch stat bets
Just answer the question for once. Do you take my bet or not? Considering how good Calzaghe is in your eyes you will have no problem winning the bet.:yep
China_hand_Joe
08-06-2007, 05:52 PM
Just answer the question for once. Do you take my bet or not? Considering how good Calzaghe is in your eyes you will have no problem winning the bet.:yepThread's up, I have made it so more people can join in
dave82
08-06-2007, 06:30 PM
I think i just found Joe's sparring partners
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