How great was Hector Macho Comhacho?

[Nawfal]

how would you rate this guy in his prime

im thinking he was a decent fighter b grade, good skills, but never had a signature win and lost when he stepped it up.

[Nawfal]

i havent seen him

i only saw him destroy an old srl

thats why i was asking. but those fighters he beat are decent fighters, they arent great names.

[Jens S]

At his best he was ranked no. 2 P-4-P by the Ring Magazine according to another thread.

Jens

[Nawfal]

yeah sweet pea, i know he was fast, had good movement good jab etc. but how comes when he was in his prime he never beat an elite fighter

is he like a zab judah

[Nawfal]

Rosario was elite at the time, and Ramirez was a champ as well, and one of the better LW's of the 80's. He ddominated Ramirez. Zab Judah was nowhere near a prime Camacho. Camacho had the heart to get through a beating and come back to win like he did against Rosario, and Zab could never have schooled someone like Ramirez. Zab is explosive, but didn't have near the speed and couldn't throw a combo anything near like Camacho could. You really needd to get your hands on some young(early to mid 80's) Macho Man.

ok im going to check it out

thanks

[naked heels]

just out of interest why do you fellas think camachos style changed so much after the rosario fight...i was a big fan before this fight but after watching his win against boza edwards i couldnt stand him,he fought 11 of those 12 rounds against boza in total fear,even his own fans were booing him.
saw him when he was over here promoting the terry marsh thing he was just as much of a tosser as he looked !

[naked heels]

what made him think he could go through a boxing career without ever getting hurt...amazes me he got as far as he did if that was the case...that boza edwards fight was an embarrassment

[Sweet Jones]

How much prime Camacho have you seen? This guy was the definition of an A+ fighter in his prime. Phenomenal. And no he didn't lose when he stepped it up. Dominated Bazooka Liom, dominated a top notch fighter in Jose Luiz Ramirez, beat one of the best LW's of the 80's in Edwin Rosario(which is really the bout that changed him to a more defensive fighter), Beat Freddie Roach, Boza Edwards, Howard Davis Jr., and guys like Mancini and Pazienza while past his peak of the early to mid 80's.

The Camacho of early 130 and 135 was probably the quickest boxer ever, period. Dynamite, after Rosario he became decidedly less exciting as he became more of a defensive fighter. Shame too because he was something else in his younger days. Would've loved to see a prime Macho Man vs Floyd at 130 when they were both at their best, would've been a very fast, technical battle.

Co-sign this 100%.

Camacho has absolutely BLAZING hand speed. And even though he wasn’t a power guy, he was one of the first fighters I saw who could actually land a 5-7 punch combo before the other guy could react.

Even though he kinda played himself out, in his prime The Macho Man was a tremendous fighter.

IIRC, the Rosario decision was a little shaky though.

[sweet_scientist]

He lost to Rosario imo, but had that been Zab, he would have been doing the Kentucky Fried Chicken Dance. Hector had a chin and resilience way beyond Zab's.

Camacho's best win is against Ramirez, he shut him out, and Ramirez is a guy who (imo) beat Rosario twice and Alexis Arguello. He also won some rounds off Whitaker, which is no mean feat with a prime Pea. Gave Chavez a decent run for him money as well (Ramirez that is, not Camacho, lol).

[GazOC]

He got hurt for the first time in his career against Rosario, which changed him from an attacking, combo throwing, exciting fighter to a defensive fighter. Shame.

I think also he maybe realized after (during!!) the Rosario fight that he was going to have to a bit more cautious at 135 than he was at 130 and went too far.

BTW I had Camacho winning that fight, poeple remember the twice he was staggered but he quietly put enough 10-9s in the bag to win the fight for me.

[Thread Stealer]

Camacho had amazing speed and decent power in his prime. Before Rosario, he also fought with more aggression. He'll go down as an underachiever since he wasted so much talent, and his opposition @ 130 while decent, wasn't the stiffest, but I think at his peak he's a tough matchup for a lot of great fighters.

I'd make him a slight favorite over PBF @ 130.

He lost to Rosario imo, but had that been Zab, he would have been doing the Kentucky Fried Chicken Dance. Hector had a chin and resilience way beyond Zab's.


Agreed, I had Rosario winning 116-113.

[PATSYS]

He beat an old SRL then he turn into a pussy in his very next fight when he was matched against a young DLH.

[digiram]

He was quick, threw combos, but relied on running for D. Literally running. I couldn't stand this guy.

Also, he relied on dirty tactics all night against Ramirez. Hooking JLR's head with his arm and punching. I was about 6 when I saw that fight and can still remember the Tears for Fears song that come on after it. "Everybody wants to rule the world".

Chavez pounding on his ass was a thing of beauty.

Floyd easily puts a whoopin on him. Floyd's quick, can throw combos, punches with conviction, can counter like a mutha, and has the ability to use movement as well roll off of punches for D.

No question about it, Floyd by TKO. Shouldn't even be a debate.

[brooklyn1550]

He was quick, threw combos, but relied on running for D. Literally running. I couldn't stand this guy.

Also, he relied on dirty tactics all night against Ramirez. Hooking JLR's head with his arm and punching. I was about 6 when I saw that fight and can still remember the Tears for Fears song that come on after it. "Everybody wants to rule the world".

Chavez pounding on his ass was a thing of beauty.

Floyd easily puts a whoopin on him. Floyd's quick, can throw combos, punches with conviction, can counter like a mutha, and has the ability to use movement as well roll off of punches for D.

No question about it, Floyd by TKO. Shouldn't even be a debate.

Floyd TKO Camacho?

[GazOC]

At 130 or 135 Floyd wouldn't stop Camacho, probably not at any other weight either.

[ayala]

at 130-135 he would have beaten mayweather just because of his quickness
and he was also a southpaw

[sues2nd]

How much prime Camacho have you seen? This guy was the definition of an A+ fighter in his prime. Phenomenal. And no he didn't lose when he stepped it up. Dominated Bazooka Liom, dominated a top notch fighter in Jose Luiz Ramirez, beat one of the best LW's of the 80's in Edwin Rosario(which is really the bout that changed him to a more defensive fighter), Beat Freddie Roach, Boza Edwards, Howard Davis Jr., and guys like Mancini and Pazienza while past his peak of the early to mid 80's.

The Camacho of early 130 and 135 was probably the quickest boxer ever, period. Dynamite, after Rosario he became decidedly less exciting as he became more of a defensive fighter. Shame too because he was something else in his younger days. Would've loved to see a prime Macho Man vs Floyd at 130 when they were both at their best, would've been a very fast, technical battle.

Also one of the fastest fighters I have ever seen.

[sweet_scientist]

No question about it, Floyd by TKO. Shouldn't even be a debate.

Yeah, if he went the distance with Chavez, DLH and Tito when past his prime, then there's no doubt about it, Hector gets stopped in his prime by the pot shot king.

[Titan1]

How much prime Camacho have you seen? This guy was the definition of an A+ fighter in his prime. Phenomenal. And no he didn't lose when he stepped it up. Dominated Bazooka Liom, dominated a top notch fighter in Jose Luiz Ramirez, beat one of the best LW's of the 80's in Edwin Rosario(which is really the bout that changed him to a more defensive fighter), Beat Freddie Roach, Boza Edwards, Howard Davis Jr., and guys like Mancini and Pazienza while past his peak of the early to mid 80's.

The Camacho of early 130 and 135 was probably the quickest boxer ever, period. Dynamite, after Rosario he became decidedly less exciting as he became more of a defensive fighter. Shame too because he was something else in his younger days. Would've loved to see a prime Macho Man vs Floyd at 130 when they were both at their best, would've been a very fast, technical battle.


Hector was the man at those weights, though Howard Davis Jr, Ray Leonard, Bernard Taylor, and Meldrick Taylor give him a run for quickness, however.

[istmeno]

How much prime Camacho have you seen? This guy was the definition of an A+ fighter in his prime. Phenomenal. And no he didn't lose when he stepped it up. Dominated Bazooka Liom, dominated a top notch fighter in Jose Luiz Ramirez, beat one of the best LW's of the 80's in Edwin Rosario(which is really the bout that changed him to a more defensive fighter), Beat Freddie Roach, Boza Edwards, Howard Davis Jr., and guys like Mancini and Pazienza while past his peak of the early to mid 80's.

The Camacho of early 130 and 135 was probably the quickest boxer ever, period. Dynamite, after Rosario he became decidedly less exciting as he became more of a defensive fighter. Shame too because he was something else in his younger days. Would've loved to see a prime Macho Man vs Floyd at 130 when they were both at their best, would've been a very fast, technical battle.

you summed it up perfectly. at 130, hector is a nightmare for anyone. he is definitely the fastest fighter i have seen, and put together hellacious combinations at that weight. not pitty pat ones.

unfortunately his bad habits got the better of him. he could have been one of the all time great ones.

[Illmatic]

you summed it up perfectly. at 130, hector is a nightmare for anyone. he is definitely the fastest fighter i have seen, and put together hellacious combinations at that weight. not pitty pat ones.

unfortunately his bad habits got the better of him. he could have been one of the all time great ones.

it was like every other ring mag or ring publication had a story on camacho in the 80s

[Outboxer]

I would love to see footage of this guy in his prime -- the only thing I can remember finding on youtube is that match with Rosario, and we all know what happened to him there. That's all I've seen of him.

[Illmatic]

I would love to see footage of this guy in his prime -- the only thing I can remember finding on youtube is that match with Rosario, and we all know what happened to him there. That's all I've seen of him.

yeah, nothing of his on youtube is flattering

[Asterion]

In greatness clearly Floyd > Camacho.

[istmeno]

In greatness clearly Floyd > Camacho.

actually not. camacho beat a much better class of fighter than pbf. although gifted with great talent, pbf has no true resume to speak of. and no handpicked oponents for 5 titles does not equal a great resumes

[carras]

Camacho was something else, he had the fastest I've ever seen(that includes Taylor), and also had incredible footwork, and a solid rock chin.

BTW There's no way in hell PBF TKO's Hector. but it would've been quite a fight.

[Tu papa]

Camacho's downfall was his outside the ring parties. He was the most undiciplined boxer. I was like 14 years old in his prime and I remember a lot of people talking how they were at the club partying and Camacho was there (always) drunk and high.

[1lehudson]

How much prime Camacho have you seen? This guy was the definition of an A+ fighter in his prime. Phenomenal. And no he didn't lose when he stepped it up. Dominated Bazooka Liom, dominated a top notch fighter in Jose Luiz Ramirez, beat one of the best LW's of the 80's in Edwin Rosario(which is really the bout that changed him to a more defensive fighter), Beat Freddie Roach, Boza Edwards, Howard Davis Jr., and guys like Mancini and Pazienza while past his peak of the early to mid 80's.

The Camacho of early 130 and 135 was probably the quickest boxer ever, period. Dynamite, after Rosario he became decidedly less exciting as he became more of a defensive fighter. Shame too because he was something else in his younger days. Would've loved to see a prime Macho Man vs Floyd at 130 when they were both at their best, would've been a very fast, technical battle.Rosario knocked the fire out of Macho, he fought the rest of his career like a flower girl.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Comacho was one of the first fighters I really hated. Man, I wanted Boom Boom to fuck him up. :twisted:

But there's no denying his talent back in his day.

[freddy-wak]

the round that changed his stlye...
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chavez whooped on both and still gets not cred.....

[freddy-wak]

He beat a 91 version of Camacho, not the phenom of the early to mid 80's. The Camacho he beat is the one everyone hates and rags on, not the guy he used to be. And Chavez does get plenty of credit.

he was the first one to really whoop that ass....i had camacho up vs haugen..

[freddy-wak]

24 yr career and never got ko'd.....

[Sister Sledge]

Camacho should have been an ATG. He had that kind of talent. He was the very personification of the saying "Speed Kills". In his prime before the Rosario fight (which he won), he was on the level of Mayweather and RJJ in terms of talent. Rosario took his heart and ruined a great fighter.

[Vantage_West]

just out of interest why do you fellas think camachos style changed so much after the rosario fight...i was a big fan before this fight but after watching his win against boza edwards i couldnt stand him,he fought 11 of those 12 rounds against boza in total fear,even his own fans were booing him.
saw him when he was over here promoting the terry marsh thing he was just as much of a tosser as he looked !rosario tagged him and he looked out on his feet.and just ran and ran and ran...somthing he was very good at.

it reminds me the forrest-mosley headbutt that changed mosley from this speedy combo throwing destroyer to a pure jab and move boxer.

[Vantage_West]

So what? We're talking a prime Camacho. I think I would possibly favor a 130 Camacho vs the 130 Floyd. Floyd would be facing someone even faster than himself who let his hands go like Floyd even then couldn't. Would've been great to watch.but what about stopping power...

comacho had almost no pop even some light hitters like pernell had some great knockouts and he wanst a powerpuncher at all. but this guy was all lightning and no thunder.

anyways it's still amazing how quick he was at the higher wieghts.

[Vantage_West]

What about stopping power has to do with Camacho not being KO'd by Mayweather? Also, Camacho did have power at 130. No pop? Did you watch a prime Camacho vs Bazooka Limon? No pop?true but power does the damage.floyd is a hard puncher at lightwiehgt and superfeather he was the truth...to say that comacho who even though has faster hand and a faster mover...but floyd is a big puncher at these wieghts. his right hand and left hook i feel will win him the fight.
im not a floyd fan but i think floyd has just as many advantages as comacho.

floyd is taller ,hits harder, a prolific counterpuncher ,has fast hands with a longer reach.

comacho will win some rounds but floyd takes this


oh yea no pop?...:good

[Sister Sledge]

actually not. camacho beat a much better class of fighter than pbf. although gifted with great talent, pbf has no true resume to speak of. and no handpicked oponents for 5 titles does not equal a great resumes

This is a list of some of the fighters that PBF beat.

Genaro Hernandez-tko-8
Angel Manfredy-tko-2
Emanual Augustus-tko-9
Diego Corrales-tko-10
Jesus Chavez-UD
Jose Luis Castillo-UD twice
Chop Chop Corley-UD
Arturo Gatti-tko-6
Sharmba Mitchell-tko-6
Zab Judah-UD-12
Carlos Baldimar-UD-12
Oscar de la Hoya-UD-12

Oh yeah! This is a guy who ducks all of the tough opposition.