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Who take's this great fight?
I willl take this PRIME Morales at any weight.
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Thought's.
stevebhoy87
11-09-2008, 10:47 AM
Gomez would win i think, he could outbox morales and if it got into a fight he could hit harder and more accuratly as well on the inside, gomez at 122 was close to the perfect fighter, quick, accurate, powerful and i don't see many if any beating him there
Sweet Pea
11-09-2008, 10:54 AM
Morales's defensive short-comings would be his downfall against a ring general and master technician like Gomez. Would be a hell of a fight were it a post-Sanchez Gomez vs Morales though, as it would've been more likely to have been a toe to toe boxer-puncher slugfest. A prime Gomez would've outboxed him cleanly IMO though.
Gomez would win i think, he could outbox morales and if it got into a fight he could hit harder and more accuratly as well on the inside, gomez at 122 was close to the perfect fighter, quick, accurate, powerful and i don't see many if any beating him thereWhat about at 126 or 130 where Morales fought?
natonic
11-09-2008, 11:03 AM
I think there are levels of greatness, and although I do think of a prime Morales as a great fighter, Gomez was a level above that in my opinion. Gomez, in his prime at 122, had a full toolbox. He could have won a brawl or he could have chosen to outbox Morales. Gomez had amazing footwork and this would be the huge difference in this fight. I respect that stopping Morales was easier said than done, but I'd take Gomez by late stoppage.
natonic
11-09-2008, 11:12 AM
What about at 126 or 130 where Morales fought?
I'd favor Morales at 126 or above. Gomez wasn't the same above 122 (or after the Sanchez fight).
I think there are levels of greatness, and although I do think of a prime Morales as a great fighter, Gomez was a level above that in my opinion. Gomez, in his prime at 122, had a full toolbox. He could have won a brawl or he could have chosen to outbox Morales. Gomez had amazing footwork and this would be the huge difference in this fight. I respect that stopping Morales was easier said than done, but I'd take Gomez by late stoppage.Dont kown why but i dont think Gomez stop's a PRIME Morales(VERY GREAT CHIN IN HE'S PRIME).
stevebhoy87
11-09-2008, 11:20 AM
What about at 126 or 130 where Morales fought?
I'd favour morales over the post sanchez sanchez version of gomez probably, but it would be tight, a brilliant fight actually
I'd favor Morales at 126 or above. Gomez wasn't the same above 122 (or after the Sanchez fight).Couldn't say it any better glad you read the thread right!!!
Not just post and NOT reading it.
stevebhoy87
11-09-2008, 11:39 AM
Couldn't say it any better glad you read the thread right!!!
Not just post and NOT reading it.
Well how the fuck would it be prime v prime then, both fighters primes where at 122. Gomez was nowhere near the same fighter above 122
Bad_Intentions
11-09-2008, 11:46 AM
122? gomez
above 122? morales.
Well how the fuck would it be prime v prime then, both fighters primes where at 122. Gomez was nowhere near the same fighter above 122:lol::nono
Morales was still prime at 126 and at 130 well just a few fight's with Carlos H,Chavez ect...
My2Sense
11-10-2008, 02:34 AM
I'd favor Gomez under any circumstances, as long as they're equal for both men.
At 126, people forget that Gomez had a very impressive "comeback" win against Juan LaPorte, who was at his own peak and looked to be a pretty damn good fighter at that time.
Gomez wasn't great at 130 obviously, but in Morales he'd be fighting a fellow ex-122 pounder who was past his prime at the weight as well, so I don't think it would be as much a problem as people here think it was.
I think Gomez is actually a bit underrated, partly because his one loss to Sanchez is so memorable that it overshadows much of the rest of his career.
red cobra
11-10-2008, 06:53 AM
Gomez by a 6th round tko. He was too good for anyone in the 122 division, period.
Ted Spoon
11-10-2008, 09:41 AM
With his combination of classy long range boxing, fleet feet and resourcefulness, Morales could provide Gomez with a greater challenge than even Pintor did.
It would be a torrid battle of styles and toughness. Ted Spoon believe that Morales had it in him to tough it out and shred up that face for the win.
natonic
11-10-2008, 09:52 AM
With his combination of classy long range boxing, fleet feet and resourcefulness, Morales could provide Gomez with a greater challenge than even Pintor did.
It would be a torrid battle of styles and toughness. Ted Spoon believe that Morales had it in him to tough it out and shred up that face for the win.
Fleet feet? Are you suggesting Morales had better footwork/fleeter feet than Gomez? I would disagree with that. Gomez had tremendous footwork at 122.
DINAMITA
11-10-2008, 09:52 AM
I like Morales but I think he is often a little overrated on ESB. I would strongly favour Gomez to beat him at any weight. If the fight was a war, Gomez's power would tell at some point. If it was a boxing match, I think Gomez would gradually take control of Morales, outbox him, and edge enough rounds to secure a clear decision.
IMO.
la-califa
11-10-2008, 12:13 PM
If style's make fights, then Morales' style is very simular to the one Sanchez used so effectivly against Gomez. Come foreward strong behind a stiff jab & deliver hard accurate punches. Not come in free swinging as Zarate did, & possibly get countered by a great puncher like Gomez. But like everyone has been stating, the 122 version of Gomez was vastly different from the 126 lb. version.
Minotauro
11-10-2008, 12:49 PM
Gomez by late stoppage he had it all at this weight was a very special fighter.
Ted Spoon
11-10-2008, 07:03 PM
Fleet feet? Are you suggesting Morales had better footwork/fleeter feet than Gomez? I would disagree with that. Gomez had tremendous footwork at 122.
Morales had the range dictating footwork, that springy hop into action, which made you over-reach and mis-judge his sporadic flurries - it is that kind of rhythm that could undo Gomez's hold on the battle.
Whether it actually would is certainly fit for debate.
natonic
11-10-2008, 09:42 PM
Morales had the range dictating footwork, that springy hop into action, which made you over-reach and mis-judge his sporadic flurries - it is that kind of rhythm that could undo Gomez's hold on the battle.
Whether it actually would is certainly fit for debate.
I appreciate the good reply. I'll rewatch some tape of Morales at 122. I think Gomez is the best 122 pounder ever, but I probably underrate Morales a bit. Still doubt he could get Gomez at 122 though ;-).
Sweet Pea
11-10-2008, 09:43 PM
If style's make fights, then Morales' style is very simular to the one Sanchez used so effectivly against Gomez. Come foreward strong behind a stiff jab & deliver hard accurate punches. Not come in free swinging as Zarate did, & possibly get countered by a great puncher like Gomez.I don't think any of that is true regarding the styles of the fighters you just mentioned.
Sweet Pea
11-10-2008, 09:45 PM
Morales had the range dictating footwork, that springy hop into action, which made you over-reach and mis-judge his sporadic flurries - it is that kind of rhythm that could undo Gomez's hold on the battle.
Whether it actually would is certainly fit for debate.Gomez had the far better footwork, and the better defense and range control as well. If Morales were so good in that regard he wouldn't have been tagged flush so often by a near shot Zaragoza.
la-califa
11-11-2008, 08:09 PM
I don't think any of that is true regarding the styles of the fighters you just mentioned. In most of Sanchez' fights he would move around the ring , avoid punches & counter very crisply. While also effectivly going to the body. Against Gomez, Sanchez went on the offensive from the begining, which must have been a shock to Gomez. Sanchez was moving foreward, landing hard punches & had Gomez on the defensive. I'm just stating this is also Morales' style of fighting. He may not have the same results as Sanchez against Gomez. Because Gomez was much sharper at 122.
Sweet Pea
11-11-2008, 09:09 PM
In most of Sanchez' fights he would move around the ring , avoid punches & counter very crisply. While also effectivly going to the body. Against Gomez, Sanchez went on the offensive from the begining, which must have been a shock to Gomez. Sanchez was moving foreward, landing hard punches & had Gomez on the defensive. I'm just stating this is also Morales' style of fighting. He may not have the same results as Sanchez against Gomez. Because Gomez was much sharper at 122.Morales didn't have the defensive or counter-punching capabilities that Sanchez had at any weight. He also wouldn't have the kind of size advantage that Sanchez had were the fight at 122.
Ted Spoon
11-12-2008, 09:44 AM
Gomez had the far better footwork, and the better defense and range control as well. If Morales were so good in that regard he wouldn't have been tagged flush so often by a near shot Zaragoza.
Morales had a 'gappy' defence but bouncing in and out often gave him the upper hand in dictating the flow of the fight. Morales had his minuses but stylistically he was harder to pin down than Barrera, Marquez and Pacquiao.
Gomez was a neat package, but Morales could work angles that he may not be ready for like Pac-man was not in their first fight. It'd be fun.
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