View Full Version : would calzaghe have beaten a prime james toney at 168lb
faisal
11-09-2008, 11:48 AM
i think calzaghe overwhelm toney with his high work rate as good as toney was at 168 he was the type of fighter who relied on single crisp shots and he took his time breaking down opponents i'm not sure if it would work against some 1 of joes calibre. i can see toney covering up along the ropes taking intense fire over 12 rounds, even with toneys defencive skills hes not going to be able to block the majority of shots coming his way.
calzaghe UD12
Beeston Brawler
11-10-2008, 05:17 AM
Yes
Eubank and Benn would as well.
doggyland
11-10-2008, 05:23 AM
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mrbassie
11-10-2008, 05:25 AM
Depends which Toney shows up, Calzaghe would thrash Toney if he was in the kind of condition of for example the Thadzi or Jones fights. If Toney shows up like he did against Barkely or McCallum he wins a close one over Calzaghe on clean punching, outboxes Eubank, tko's Benn.
Beeston you're selling Toney very short. His Record speaks for itself and it's streets ahead of those of the three brits.
Calzaghe beats Toney.
Toney always has been a flatfooted stationary fighter. He relies on his shell more than movement, which makes it easy for Calzaghe to establish a jab and flurry him whilst he covers up. He wouldn't be doing much damage but he'd be winning rounds.
Toney is a great mid range counterpuncher and inside fighter, he'd have his moments too. He's not good from range like people think.
mrbassie
11-10-2008, 05:37 AM
He is brilliant at getting close though and especially at getting his opponent to fight his fight. If Hopkins can make Joe lose his head and brawl then Toney certainly can
Cobbler
11-10-2008, 05:50 AM
Depends which Toney shows up, Calzaghe would thrash Toney if he was in the kind of condition of for example the Thadzi or Jones fights.
I'm not sure it's possible for Toney to show up as out of shape as against Thadzi (where he missed the LHW limit by four pounds on the third weigh) and for the hypothetical fight to be at SMW.
mrbassie
11-10-2008, 05:54 AM
I'm not sure it's possible for Toney to show up as out of shape as against Thadzi (where he missed the LHW limit by four pounds on the third weigh) and for the hypothetical fight to be at SMW.
Was that at light heavy? always thought it was super mid. Ah well live and learn. you get the point anyway (nitpicker).
dwilson
11-10-2008, 06:13 AM
Very good fight prime for prime. I would definetly say that Joe could beat a top version of Toney. Shame we never got to see it. The fight could have gone either way.
achillesthegreat
11-10-2008, 07:06 AM
yes. i used to question jc's ability against skilled defensive guys who could bring him forward and make him miss. he has shown now that he has no problem improvising, adapting and overcoming. jc is too active for toney. he'd do to him what he did to x and rjj. mind you toney v barkley was sensational stuff. activity alone wouldnt do it. it would be the consistency of his work, his smarts, his punches in punches and is complete and utter disdain for losing.
Eubank
11-10-2008, 08:05 AM
Yes
Eubank and Benn would as well.
Too true, this is a reason Toney and his mate Roy ran off to fight at other weights.
Olu G. Rotimi
11-10-2008, 05:56 PM
In my view Toney would have stopped Calzaghe and done a job on him.
mike464
11-10-2008, 06:08 PM
Toney loves it on the ropes. Calzaghe would get him there, throw a high volume of shots with little power on them and Toney would hit him with perfect counters. Calzaghe was dropped by old versions of Jones and Hopkins so I'd expect him to be down several times against a prime Toney, leading to a points loss.
JonOli
11-10-2008, 06:14 PM
Either Toney enjoys all the openings, and counters all night, or Joe's movement gets the better of him.
If I was betting, and the odds were evens I'd put my money on Toney.
JonOli
11-10-2008, 06:16 PM
Too true, this is a reason Toney and his mate Roy ran off to fight at other weights.
Eubank you know fully to well you wanted no part of James.
Diablo
11-10-2008, 06:25 PM
I think Joe would be too fast for Toney, like someone said he was flat footed at times and struggled with slick fast boxers.
Eubank may have won a SD. Probably not.
Benn would hav got stopped by Toney. James takes his best shots and the hard counters take their toll.
Boro chris
11-10-2008, 06:29 PM
I'd narrowly favour Joe over Toney. Toney however would thump Benn and win a close one over Eubank.
BIG WORM
11-11-2008, 10:53 AM
yh i think calzaghes got the adaptability to beat toney, toneys a good counter puncher, it'd be like hopkins fight, but more cleaner puncher
ApatheticLeader
11-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Yes
Eubank and Benn would as well.
Well, Calzaghe would have. Eubank has about a 40% chance. Benn has absolutely no chance.
Olu G. Rotimi
11-13-2008, 04:35 PM
I think Joe would be too fast for Toney, like someone said he was flat footed at times and struggled with slick fast boxers.
Eubank may have won a SD. Probably not.
Benn would hav got stopped by Toney. James takes his best shots and the hard counters take their toll.
Toney has beaten and stopped even faster more awkward southpaws like Michael Nunn 2nd to Nunn who was virtually unbeatable until he ran into Toney.
I have gone back and forth on this match up. But I beleive if Calzaghe was fighting on his best day and Toney was fight on his best day, that joe Calzaghe would get the decision.
JC will have problem and could be hurt in the fight but i am forever amazed by Joes adaptability and with that, his speed and workrate he would get a decision over James Toney.
Calzaghe UD.
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