A European Middleweight Tournament.

[dpw417]

16 participants ( open to suggestions of who to include or exclude)

Marcel Cerdan
Nino Benvenuti
Nigel Benn
Randolph Turpin
Chris Eubank
Arthur Abraham
Sumbu Kalambay
Gustav Scholz
Robert Villemain
Steve Collins
Bert Gilroy
Jock McAvoy
Bob Fitzsimmons
Laurent Dauthille
George Carpentier
Michael Watson

Are you guys interested in a tourney?

[the cobra]

There would be a lot of interesting match-ups if it were to be done.

[Loewe]

16 participants ( open to suggestions of who to include or exclude)

Marcel Cerdan
Nino Benvenuti
Nigel Benn
Randolph Turpin
Chris Eubank
Arthur Abraham
Sumbu Kalambay
Gustav Scholz
Robert Villemain
Steve Collins
Bert Gilroy
Jock McAvoy
Bob Fitzsimmons
Laurent Dauthille
George Carpentier
Michael Watson

Are you guys interested in a tourney?
That´s the first time I see somebody mentioning Bubi outside myself. :happy Great to see that since he´s one of my favourie fighters.

I´d like to add Felix Sturm and Charles Humez who deserve to be on that list. Another one who could be included is Peter Müller who never won something but beat, and lost to, Giardello, beat Joe Miceli and some other American mws - but got also beat easily three times by Scholz.

Would be a good idea also I think that some less-known guys will get kicked out pretty early while beeing at the level of the more known one.

[mcvey]

16 participants ( open to suggestions of who to include or exclude)

Marcel Cerdan
Nino Benvenuti
Nigel Benn
Randolph Turpin
Chris Eubank
Arthur Abraham
Sumbu Kalambay
Gustav Scholz
Robert Villemain
Steve Collins
Bert Gilroy
Jock McAvoy
Bob Fitzsimmons
Laurent Dauthille
George Carpentier
Michael Watson

Are you guys interested in a tourney?
LAZLO PAPP? He beat Leahy and Folledo in European fights.

[Vantage_West]

LAZLO PAPP? He beat Leahy and Folledo in European fights.i agree a very very goo dmidldewieght and possibly a unrevealed legend. but it's like people adding ayala to the likes of hagler,leonard and duran...not out of the realms of belif that ayala could beat duran or hagler (i dont personally but ya never know) but in the be all its clear we never saw him against a top prime champion or contender thus we will never see him when it mattered.

sorry papp is off the list.

[mcvey]

i agree a very very goo dmidldewieght and possibly a unrevealed legend. but it's like people adding ayala to the likes of hagler,leonard and duran...not out of the realms of belif that ayala could beat duran or hagler (i dont personally but ya never know) but in the be all its clear we never saw him against a top prime champion or contender thus we will never see him when it mattered.

sorry papp is off the list.
Fair enough ,through no fault of his own Papp did not get a career defining fight ,politics intervened,he did however beat Harry Scott,who hols a win over Ruben Carter,and he also stopped Mueller ,[a fighter that Loewe wants to include],3 times out of 3.

[la-califa]

Great idea. How about. Rocky Mattioli, Tony Sibson, Alan Minter. Vito Antuofermo. Murray Sutherland, Mikkel Kessler, Joe Calzaghe, Felix Sturm.

[bladerunner]

put Giovanni Manca in there.

[stonerose]

michael watson merits inclusion, as does herol graham

[shommel]

wheres tiberio mitri?

[mattdonnellon]

Graham, Watson, Nonpariel Jack Dempsey,
Dont think Carp's middleweight resume is good eneough.

[la-califa]

michael watson merits inclusion, as does herol graham Watson is already on the list.

[Minotauro]

As mentioned Alan Minter and Vito Antuofermo should be there also you could include George Gardiner I know he won the light heavy title but he has some good win at 160 like Kid Carter(x4), Marvin Hart, Maher (although he was past his best), went 1-1 with Walcott and he even took a green Jack Johnson the distance.

[scartissue]

How about Marcel Thil, Erich Seelig, Pierre Langlois, Kevin Finnegan, Terry Downes, Tom Bogs and Jean Claude Boutier? Len Harvey was also a very good middle before heading to 175. With all these posts, why don't you make it 32 rather than 16?

Scartissue

[dpw417]

What do you guys think of this final field of European middleweights?
Nino Benvenuti
Nigel Benn
Marcel Cerdan
Randy Turpin
George Gardiner
Laslo Papp
Chris Eubank
Arthur Abraham
Steve Collins
Nonpariel Jack Dempsey
Michael Watson
Len Harvey
Bob Fitzsimmons
Sumbu Kalambay
Jock McAvoy
Gustav Scholtz

Some tough decisions trying to trim down the field, tried to include some old, some new, wanted to stay with a 16 boxer field.

[thistle1]

Cerdan, the Nonpariel, Harvey, McAvoy, Gilroy
Benvenuti, and Michael Watson are your best. I woud'd rate Fitzsimmons
at middleweight, he was a light-heavy.

[red cobra]

Jean-Claude Bouttier must be included.

[Luigi1985]

What´s with Lou Bogash? His resume (107 W´s and only 19 L´s including wins over great fighters like Tiger Flowers, Mickey Walker, Tommy Loughran, Mike McTigue, etc.) speaks for itself...