Ten greatest fighters never to win a world title

[McGrain]

10 - Young Stribling
09 - Peter Jackson
08 - Jack Blackburn
07 - Lloyd Marshall
06 - Harry Wills
05 - Holman Williams
04 - Packey McFarland
03 - Jimmy Bivins
02 - Charley Burley
01 - Sam Langford


You got a list?

Do you think that Wills should be above Marshall?

Would you shuffle the order?

Honourable mentions - Kid Norfolk and Eddie Booker.

[rydersonthestorm]

i think herol graham should be up and around there.

[McGrain]

Who would you remove to insert him?

[rydersonthestorm]

out of the guys mentioned o would lose jackson, i do find it hard to judge alot of the very old guys as we have no real evidence of there talents.

[klompton]

Stribling should not be on there and Mike Gibbons should.

[stonerose]

i assume you've left scott welch out by mistake mcgrain ?

[McGrain]

Stribling should not be on there

Boxrec has him winning 257 fights and losing only 15.

He holds wins over Maxie Rosenbloom, Battling Levinsky, Jimmy Delaney, Tommy Loughran, Mike McTigue, some of them more than once.

You don't like his connections? You think these wins weren't on the up and up?

[Unforgiven]

Good list, mcG

I think I'd have Joe Jeanette in my top 10.

[Ted Spoon]

Jim Driscoll cannot be forgotten here.

[DINAMITA]

Audley Harrison.

[mcvey]

Boxrec has him winning 257 fights and losing only 15.

He holds wins over Maxie Rosenbloom, Battling Levinsky, Jimmy Delaney, Tommy Loughran, Mike McTigue, some of them more than once.

You don't like his connections? You think these wins weren't on the up and up?
Stribling's record is more padded than my beer belly he dosn't belong in the company of.
Langford
Jackson
Jeanette
Wills
Burley
Williams
Petrolle
Driscoll
Marshall
Macfarland
Choynsky
Tendler
Mcvey etc.

[McGrain]

Stribling's record is more padded than my beer belly

That's as may be, but he still has multipe wins over true ATG fighters.

[bladerunner]

pretty good list,i just want to mention Bennie Briscoe altough he probably doesnt belong on that list but hes one of my all time favs and if he was at his prime today would destroy todays middleweights.

[mcvey]

That's as may be, but he still has multipe wins over true ATG fighters.
Stribling's wins over great fighters are ,2 over Rosenbloom,very creditable,2over Loughran.one in which he thumbed Loughran,and a loss to Loughran.One win over Levinsky ,who was 35 and on the slide,and two wins over Slattery,again very creditable though he was 10lbs heavier than Slattery in one fight.One win over a 32 year old Mctigue ,and one fixed fight that had the decision reversed.Stribling imo ,was very good but not great.

[ripcity]

Lew Tendler
Joe Choinsky

[marciano1952]

Billy Miske should be mentiond

[mcvey]

Stribling should not be on there and Mike Gibbons should.
I would agree with Gibbons he has a fine resume ,also perhaps Les Darcy?

[Minotauro]

I would put Holman at 3 his resume is probably the second best after Langford on the list. Also Joe Jeanette instead of Young Stribling and Joe Choynski instead of Peter Jackson. Does anyone have any info on the NC between Corbett and Jackson who was doing better at the time it was called off.

[Quickhands21]

pretty good list,i just want to mention Bennie Briscoe altough he probably doesnt belong on that list but hes one of my all time favs and if he was at his prime today would destroy todays middleweights.
True..I coud see Bennie making a top 10 or 15..great fighter not very good

[la-califa]

On a modern note, Bennie Briscoe, Alvaro Lopez, Ruben Castillo, Armando Muniz, Tony Ayala Jr., Ken Norton, Gerry Cooney, James Scott. & Howard Davis Jr.

[Robbi]

I would put Holman at 3 his resume is probably the second best after Langford on the list. Also Joe Jeanette instead of Young Stribling and Joe Choynski instead of Peter Jackson. Does anyone have any info on the NC between Corbett and Jackson who was doing better at the time it was called off.

Corbett. It was said to be a back and forth tussle. Jackson had his moments, but was almost out during the 28th round. I have it on DVD if you want a copy. I wish :good

[mcvey]

On a modern note, Bennie Briscoe, Alvaro Lopez, Ruben Castillo, Armando Muniz, Tony Ayala Jr., Ken Norton, Gerry Cooney, James Scott. & Howard Davis Jr.
For myself ,I have more sympathy for those poor guys who never got a chance at a title shot,several of those mentioned had at least one chance.

[DamonD]

Brian Nielsen.

Wins over Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Ross Puritty, Orlin Norris, Mike 'The Bounty' Hunter, Lionel Butler, Jeremy Williams, Phil Jackson and Peter McNeely.

all past their best and/or heavily overweight at the time, cough cough...

[ribbue t]

Audley Harrison.

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[TommyV]

Jack Dempsey? The Non Pareil one?

Worth a mention anyway. He might of won the MW title actually. Not sure.

[Minotauro]

Corbett. It was said to be a back and forth tussle. Jackson had his moments, but was almost out during the 28th round. I have it on DVD if you want a copy. I wish :good

Cheers, I don't know why but I've never read about this fight.

[MRBILL]

Howard Davis had skills, but no power.... His chin was chinny, also.... Other than that, Davis could box, and he was fast as all hell... Too bad he choked as a pro....:rofl

MR.BILL

Runner up: Razor Ruddock.... Ruddock had bad management, etc.... Had Razor been handled more professionally, he'd been a champion--for a little while....

[mcvey]

Brian Nielsen.

Wins over Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Ross Puritty, Orlin Norris, Mike 'The Bounty' Hunter, Lionel Butler, Jeremy Williams, Phil Jackson and Peter McNeely.

all past their best and/or heavily overweight at the time, cough cough...
Yes Mike Hunter looked more like the" Bounty Eater " when he got into the ring.

[TommyV]

Mark Breland.

Deserves a mention just for his amateur career.

But choked it as a pro.

Absolute waste.

[the cobra]

I think Driscoll should crack the top 10.

[Russell]

Brian Nielsen.

Wins over Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Ross Puritty, Orlin Norris, Mike 'The Bounty' Hunter, Lionel Butler, Jeremy Williams, Phil Jackson and Peter McNeely.

all past their best and/or heavily overweight at the time, cough cough...

Nielson was fat his entire career as well, so we can meet half way and say he was a decent fighter. :lol:

[la-califa]

Howard Davis had skills, but no power.... His chin was chinny, also.... Other than that, Davis could box, and he was fast as all hell... Too bad he choked as a pro....:rofl

MR.BILL

Runner up: Razor Ruddock.... Ruddock had bad management, etc.... Had Razor been handled more professionally, he'd been a champion--for a little while.... If Angelo Dundee took on Leonard and Davis. How much better do you think Davis' career would have turned out?

[McGrain]

IDoes anyone have any info on the NC between Corbett and Jackson who was doing better at the time it was called off.

It was very tight, Corbett was supposedly the fresher of the two at the time it was called to a halt. Certainly Corbett's people were keener that it should be continued than Jackson's were, although both were done in.

Jackson injured his ankle quite badly in the run up to this one and although most say he was alright on the night, his training was supposed to have been badly disrputed.

[SteveO]

Emanuel Augustus (pending until the day he retires)
Jerry Quarry --> personal bias creeping in.

[ripcity]

Mark Breland.

Deserves a mention just for his amateur career.

But choked it as a pro.

Absolute waste.
Brelend might not have lived up to expations but he did win a world tittle (2 I think).

[My2Sense]

Boxrec has him winning 257 fights and losing only 15.

He holds wins over Maxie Rosenbloom, Battling Levinsky, Jimmy Delaney, Tommy Loughran, Mike McTigue, some of them more than once.

You don't like his connections? You think these wins weren't on the up and up? Stribling had his share of title shots and choked. I think there were better fighters that were never given shots in the first place (ie: Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker, Charley Burley).

[McGrain]

Stribling had his share of title shots and choked. I think there were better fighters that were never given shots in the first place (ie: Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker, Charley Burley).

Definitely, and all those guys are above him on the list aside from Booker. Booker probably was more talented than Stribling, but he doesn't have anything like the resume. He was less active (often because of injuries and difficulties finding matches) and tended to get beaten by the best guys he faced. Booker would still be in my 15, I think though.

[Ezzard]

I like the original list but

Driscoll needs to be mentioned

as does

Owen Moran

[mcvey]

10 - Young Stribling
09 - Peter Jackson
08 - Jack Blackburn
07 - Lloyd Marshall
06 - Harry Wills
05 - Holman Williams
04 - Packey McFarland
03 - Jimmy Bivins
02 - Charley Burley
01 - Sam Langford


You got a list?

Do you think that Wills should be above Marshall?

Would you shuffle the order?

Honourable mentions - Kid Norfolk and Eddie Booker.
In no order
Sam Langford
MIke Gibbons
Charley Burley
Jim Driscoll
Holman Williams
Lloyd Marshall
Owen Moran
Billy Petrolle
Packey Macfarland
Joe Jeanette
On the bench, Harry Wills,Peter Jackson

[DamonD]

Yes Mike Hunter looked more like the" Bounty Eater " when he got into the ring.
:lol:

Nielson was fat his entire career as well, so we can meet half way and say he was a decent fighter. :lol:
It all levels out, heh...

[he grant]

Very good list ...

[good right hand]

i was reading about billy petrolle and he was some fighter, deffinetly worth mention among the all time great uncrowned champions like burley, mcfarland and langford.

[My2Sense]

Good calls on Moran and Petrolle.

[klompton]

Boxrec has him winning 257 fights and losing only 15.

He holds wins over Maxie Rosenbloom, Battling Levinsky, Jimmy Delaney, Tommy Loughran, Mike McTigue, some of them more than once.

You don't like his connections? You think these wins weren't on the up and up?

His record is padded, he was protected, he had multiple chances to fight for a title from middleweight to heavyweight but his father kept him out of those fights because he KNEW Strib would lose them (and he did anyway when he finally got his shot). His wins over Rosenbloom were good but his fight with Levinsky was TEN YEARS and a couple of retirements past Levinskys prime. Let me say that again TEN YEARS. His first two fights with Loughran were disputed, particularly the one on the undercard of Greb-Moore. That was called a robbery. Loughran avenged the defeat though. Not sure what you think is so special about Jimmy Delaney. He was a decent contender but not a great fighter by any stretch. McTigue was a bum and a cheese champ who shouldnt have gotten a title shot and shouldnt have won the fight that got him the title. He clearly lost to Siki (I have the film, complete), he clearly didnt deserve it, in fact he was panned by the press here in the US when he got it as hed been a joke before hand. If you go through and look at all the newspaper decisions he lost for simply doing nothing but trying to NOT get KOd you realize how piss poor a champ he was. Its notable that after winning the title he lost decisions or ND to every worthy guy he faced: Walker, Loughran twice, Stribling at least once possibly twice depending on who you listen to, Mickey Walker (yes the LHW champ lost to the welterweight champ) and then lost the title outright to Berlenbach. I just cant prescribe to the McTigue argument. The bottom line is, like I said before, he got more than one shot at more than title and couldnt bring it home. He had several more opportunities for title shots (he was immensely popular) but his parents (who managed him) knew his limitations and turned them down. I wouldnt include him anywhere near the top ten greatest fighters to never win a title.