Prime JC Chavez vs. Manny Pacquiao@130....who wins?? [Archive]

stillafan

08-06-2007, 06:18 PM

I was just referring to handspeed, and yes meldrick was arguably the fastest boxer to ever walk planet earth, and not only would box circles around pac as well....but if you want your power measuring stick....Try Edwin Roasario...one of the hardest hitting lighweights ever....CHAVEZ WALKED RIGHT THROugh HIM....or does your lack of knowlege not know that one.........:lol: :lol: :lol: ...power. speed, ...Chavez gots u covered,,,,,:-((

acb

08-06-2007, 06:26 PM

Will you Pac fans stop with this shit? Goddamn I liked Pac before his goddamn ridiculous fans ruined it for me. Chavez by TKO within 7.

Say it again.

PacDbest

08-06-2007, 06:32 PM

pac too fast???...ughhh,,,,have you ever heard of a fighter by the name of Meldirck Taylor???...

Taylor's speed dominating Chavez the whole fight.

The difference between Pac & Taylor's speed are night & day.

Taylor got speed but no Power. Taylor speed is in spurts, Pac Power & speed are relentless. Taylor got no Chin , Pac's recently was Iron-made.

Plus, Chavez really has no special gifts. His Power & speed is nothing special. He's just over hyped by winning against 60+ cabby drivers. Against elite Chavez really doesn't dominate. We know how Pac dominates elite fighters.

I pick Pac by TKO on cuts. I give Chavez's chin some credit.

acb

08-06-2007, 06:55 PM

Pac is already stretched at 130. The man fought half his fights as a Flyweight and yet you fools are pitting him against Chavez who STARTED AT 130...!!! And I'm reaching???:patsch

Then why did you pick Pac to win?

PacDbest

08-06-2007, 07:03 PM

You realize your opinions hold no merit, right?

Same as when I Pick Donaire againt Dachinyan???

I already gained respect here!!!

PacDbest

08-06-2007, 07:05 PM

Oh hell surpass him just wait. Again at 130 Pac by KO. 135 Chavez wins

Hold your pick at 135 till you see how good Pac turn out to be at 135. What if Pac dominates Diaz, Casa & Katsidis????

Icemmann

08-06-2007, 07:08 PM

Hold your pick at 135 till you see how good Pac turn out to be at 135. What if Pac dominates Diaz, Casa & Katsidis????

That wouldn't mean shit, because Diaz, Casa & Katsidis are not Chavez.

Ramshall1

08-06-2007, 07:12 PM

Did Chavez ever make 130 lb in his prime?

Ramshall1

08-06-2007, 07:18 PM

well he did beat Floyds uncle at this weight.

he didnt just beat him, he abused him like Michael Vick going at a lazy pitbull puppy.

acb

08-06-2007, 07:23 PM

make a POLL!!

A public one please! :yep

psychopath

08-06-2007, 07:50 PM

ravtrav

08-06-2007, 07:58 PM

Will you Pac fans stop with this shit? Goddamn I liked Pac before his goddamn ridiculous fans ruined it for me. Chavez by TKO within 7.STOP WHAT SHIT? YOU SAY JJC BY TKO7 AND I SAY PAC BY KO. who gives a fuck

Ramshall1

08-06-2007, 08:07 PM

Hold your pick at 135 till you see how good Pac turn out to be at 135. What if Pac dominates Diaz, Casa & Katsidis????

I dont see Pac even moving up to 135, no need. . . his best weight is probably 126. No reason for him to move up to 35.

johnco

08-06-2007, 09:39 PM

chavez will get raped im sorry.. better call the forensic expert :good

johnco

08-06-2007, 09:42 PM

We're talking about a matchup at 130, once again, so your arguments are void. Stop twisting it. And no, Pac-man will not surpass JCC by beating past their prime former greats.

who is this guy?? what a dumb fuck!! :lol::lol: wow, you do psychic reading for a living? :lol::lol: pac will rape chavez at 130 :deal:deal

kg0208

08-06-2007, 09:45 PM

who is this guy?? what a dumb fuck!! :lol::lol: wow, you do psychic reading for a living? :lol::lol: pac will rape chavez at 130 :deal:deal

How is he any more psychic than Chimba who stated the opposite first?

This is my issue with you guys. Never objective, never consistant.

johnco

08-06-2007, 09:49 PM

Who am I? I'm the guy you mentioned in post #57 right here. Check it out.

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:lol: Owned?.

yep i mentioned you!! but no way when it comes to pac... :good

i owned your ass even that stinky hair in your armpit because of this..

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OWNED MORON :hi:

johnco

08-06-2007, 09:55 PM

You think my analysis is right on the money on everything else, but when it comes to Pac nobody but you and your Pinoy buddies agree, and you think it's us who are delusional?

And what does Pac beating past his prime Morales(after getting a boxing lesson in the first fight) and Barrera and getting a boxing lesson for 10 rounds against Marquez have to do with him beating a fighter better than all of them in Chavez?
OH PLEASE DONT CRY PEA..... PAC JUST MADE MORALES BEG FOR HIS LIFE :hey
and chavez? what did he proved at 130 ?? :yep you are pitting chavez to a 130 pound per pound number 2. :lol::lol::lol: pac will rape chavez at that weight!!! :yep

kg0208

08-06-2007, 09:55 PM

You think my analysis is right on the money on everything else, but when it comes to Pac nobody but you and your Pinoy buddies agree, and you think it's us who are delusional?

And what does Pac beating past his prime Morales(after getting a boxing lesson in the first fight) and Barrera and getting a boxing lesson for 10 rounds against Marquez have to do with him beating a fighter better than all of them in Chavez? And what is with the lame insults about armpit hair? How lame is that?]

Lets be real here. MAB, Morales, and JMM are not on the Chavez level. They just aren't.

theunderdog

08-06-2007, 10:01 PM

was 130 jcc's peak weight?

johnco

08-06-2007, 10:02 PM

That's what I said.....

and what did the overhyped chavez proved at 130?? :nut:nut:nut

johnco

08-06-2007, 10:03 PM

was 130 jcc's peak weight?

nope... but the nostradamus of esb like sweet pea thinks that chavez will beat pac easily :lol::lol: he makes me laugh :yep:yep

kg0208

08-06-2007, 10:05 PM

That's what I said.....

I know....giving emphasis:deal

kg0208

08-06-2007, 10:07 PM

nope... but the nostradamus of esb like sweet pea thinks that chavez will beat pac easily :lol::lol: he makes me laugh :yep:yep

Chimba made his prediction before Sweet Pea. But I guess you don't notice these things.

Thread Stealer

08-06-2007, 10:09 PM

To inject a little sanity in all these arguements. JCC is in a disadvantage here. JCC started his career at 130 and is not in the peak of his career at that point while Pac peaked at 130, JCC has only about 8 fights at 130.

And that having said I'll pick Pac at 130. :yep

Chavez won about 9 or 10 title fights @ 130. He probably peaked during his short time @ 135 but he had a good number of fights @ 130 (or above the limit in non-title bouts).

johnco

08-06-2007, 10:10 PM

STOP WHAT SHIT? YOU SAY JJC BY TKO7 AND I SAY PAC BY KO. who gives a fuck

i have to say sweet pea knows his thing but when it comes to pac his iq is all time low :good

kg0208

08-06-2007, 10:11 PM

Chavez won about 9 or 10 title fights @ 130. He probably peaked during his short time @ 135 but he had a good number of fights @ 130 (or above the limit in non-title bouts).
Damn....you're right. Chavez won the 130 title in his 4th fight:rasta

Ahhh my mistake. I was gonna say, WOW, thats crazy! But no, there was a 2nd page of fights on Chavez's boxrec page. So he had quite a few fights at 130 or below.

Icemmann

08-06-2007, 10:26 PM

Damn....you're right. Chavez won the 130 title in his 4th fight:rasta

Ahhh my mistake. I was gonna say, WOW, thats crazy! But no, there was a 2nd page of fights on Chavez's boxrec page. So he had quite a few fights at 130 or below.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

DoumB

08-06-2007, 10:51 PM

i have to say sweet pea knows his thing but when it comes to pac his iq is all time low :good

just stfu, concerning Pac u Pinnoys are proly dropping the national IQ of your country when questionned on him.

Sonny Carson

08-06-2007, 10:52 PM

Chavez by KO, Manny can't take body punches that was Chavez's specialty.

41fever

08-06-2007, 10:54 PM

chavez

Chert

08-06-2007, 11:01 PM

chavez was at a different level compared to both erik and mab... i'm a pac fan but i have to admit that pac loses this one.

Icemmann

08-06-2007, 11:01 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: Heck no he had less than 10 fights at that weight. Thats why I said PAC wins!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thread Stealer

08-06-2007, 11:02 PM

Heck no he had less than 10 fights at that weight. Thats why I said PAC wins!

As opposed to the large number of fights that Pac has had @ 130?

kg0208

08-06-2007, 11:06 PM

Heck no he had less than 10 fights at that weight. Thats why I said PAC wins!
He had more title defenses at that weight than Pacman has had fights at 130. Come on man....

boxbox

08-06-2007, 11:08 PM

As opposed to the large number of fights that Pac has had @ 130?

well i dont see him moving up soon...anyways...JCC is another legend youre' all trying to pit mythically against PAC..so if you think a pac win is another crazy thought then expect crazy answers because you already have a fixed answer that you want to get anyways.. so why bother?:-(

psychopath

08-06-2007, 11:10 PM

was 130 jcc's peak weight?

Nah definitely not.

He was just starting to box when he was at 130 and he moved up to 135 after just 8 fights came back down after a couple of fights total 13 fights at that weight.

I'll say JJC Sr peaked when he was at 135/140.

Icemmann

08-06-2007, 11:11 PM

Chert

08-06-2007, 11:12 PM

You admit!!!:huh How would you know he'd lose at 130??

Reserve your judgement a bit later

When PAC disposes of JMM, SSoto, Guzman, Valero a couple of 135ers you wont look good

chavez is mexico's greatest fighter ever and a top 10 ATG. pac may end up as the greatest asian fighter ever but i still think chavez wins this one.

Thread Stealer

08-06-2007, 11:12 PM

Nah definitely not.

He was just starting to box when he was at 130 and he moved up to 135 after just 8 fights came back down after a couple of fights total 13 fights at that weight.

I'll say JJC Sr peaked when he was at 135/140.

Chavez had 40+ pro fights when he won his first world title.....at 130 lbs.

Sure there were a ton of "Tijuana Cab Drivers", but it's not like Chavez was some rookie in the sport.

PATSYS

08-06-2007, 11:13 PM

Pac by KO.

psychopath

08-06-2007, 11:15 PM

Chavez had 40+ pro fights when he won his first world title.....at 130 lbs.

Sure there were a ton of "Tijuana Cab Drivers", but it's not like Chavez was some rookie in the sport.

Nah I'm not saying he was a rookie in the sports . . . all I'm saying is he peaked at the higher weight class not at 130.

Chert

08-06-2007, 11:16 PM

JCC is another legend youre' all trying to pit mythically against PAC..so if you think a pac win is another crazy thought then expect crazy answers because you already have a fixed answer that you want to get anyways.. so why bother?:-(

true. you got a point there.

Thread Stealer

08-06-2007, 11:18 PM

Nah I'm not saying he was a rookie in the sports . . . all I'm saying is he peaked at the higher weight class not at 130.

Chavez's best weight is debatable. Some thought he lost a bit of his power @ 140. But at 130, he had some tough fights like the LaPorte fight which was very close, and the Lockridge one. Besides the Taylor (who was a great young talent) fight, Chavez didn't really have any tough fights @ 140 until Randall in 1994.

Chavez as more dominant @ 135, but then again, he stayed there a shorter time so there's less fights to pick from.

puga_ni_nana

08-06-2007, 11:30 PM

well i dont see him moving up soon...anyways...JCC is another legend youre' all trying to pit mythically against PAC..so if you think a pac win is another crazy thought then expect crazy answers because you already have a fixed answer that you want to get anyways.. so why bother?:-(

yeah i think this sums up all the agenda of these assholes.
"LETS PUT PAC INTO THIS LEGENDS WHO ARE MUCH BIGGER AND IF THEY PICK PAC, LETS SAY THEY ARE DELUSIONAL AND DONT KNOW NOTHING OF BOXING." :patsch

digiram

08-06-2007, 11:40 PM

Chavez by TKO, and it would be ugly. Chavez isn't a boxer that will allow Pac to wind up shots from the outside. He's one of the greatest pressure fighters ever. Uses jabs and head movements to get in side. Once on the inside, he has a variety of attacks that seemlessly finds it's targets. Also, he's a master at landing left hooks on breaks from head to head inside fighting(not ref. initated breaks, btw). Right when you think you're getting a second break from the inside, BAM!!!!!! Left hook on the button.

Also, Chavez is a big time body punchers. Pac was KO by a body blow by a Thai pressure fighter megdeng(wrong spelling). Imagine Chavez similar to that guy with nonstop pressure, but stronger, more skilled, and even better attacks to the body.

I love Pac, but no way do I see him beating a prime Chavez @ 130.

Chavez via TKO everytime.

enzo

08-06-2007, 11:57 PM

theunderdog

08-07-2007, 12:33 AM

yeah i think this sums up all the agenda of these assholes.
"LETS PUT PAC INTO THIS LEGENDS WHO ARE MUCH BIGGER AND IF THEY PICK PAC, LETS SAY THEY ARE DELUSIONAL AND DONT KNOW NOTHING OF BOXING." :patsch

and yet there are some who still picked pac.

boxbox

08-07-2007, 12:45 AM

and yet there are some who still picked pac.

so convenient especially for the haters huh?:-(

4Rounder

08-07-2007, 01:03 AM

JC Chavez by KO inside of 7 rounds. Who are these lunatics kidding?:patsch

Not only was JCC stronger than MAB, EM, and JMM, but a much better boxer as well. Number one pound for pound for a number of years and walked through the shots of hard punchers like nothing.

Chavez usually weight in around 145 max on fight night so its not entirely ridiculous for a prime JCC to be compared against the current 144 lbs Pac at 130.

ko factor

08-07-2007, 01:08 AM

Prime JC Chavez vs. Manny [Only registered and activated users can see links] wins?

Is this when JC Chavez were beating cab drivers vs. Manny Pacquiao beating future HOF fighters?

Absolutely I pick Pacquiao.:good

theunderdog

08-07-2007, 01:12 AM

hooligan

08-07-2007, 01:27 AM

Well noone's seen Pac vs Ali, would you assume just since noon'e seen it that means Pac would KO a prime ALi just cuz he's your boy?

It's called analyzing a matchup. Chavez handles Pac at any weight he fought at.

in all honesty, you can analyze all you want but you really cant tell right?...

unless you saw them fight...

supercali

08-07-2007, 01:42 AM

Here we go again, I don't think the OP can be swayed differently than his preconcieved answer to this mythical thread.

JCC TKO1

Is that what you want to hear?

hooligan

08-07-2007, 01:48 AM

You can never be 100% sure, but that's the point of fantasy matchups, to analyze who(through actual analysis of their styles) would win. You don't just say so and so because you like him more if the other fighter's style is perfectly suited to beat him and back it up with "well you don't know that they never fought, so hah!".

yup cant be 100% sure...so every answer in here is bullshit right?? :yep

boxbox

08-07-2007, 02:19 AM

I said it was about analyzing matchups. Looking at the matchup it should be a clearly better bet to go with Chavez, just as it would be a clearly better bet to go with Ali over Pacquiao, but not that extreme. I see no way Pac beats Chavez, which is why I favor Chavez considerably.

i understand. its like betting...the way you analyze fights, you base all your observations from previous fights and the record books. While for some they favor the underdog to win, against the odds...you may have a strong case to go with you, but undoubtedly, there has been a lot of historic upsets, and in this case, it is not improbable. So it is fair to say that chavez will be the favorite but saying pac dont stand a chance is also bullshit:good

stillafan

08-07-2007, 02:32 AM

Chavez is head and shoulders above Even Morales, Barrea, PAcquiao, and JMM....That was one bad dude in his prime...how do you go 90 fights without even almost touching the canvas......and his defense was not exactly Whitakers, so he ate some leather....Chavez chin was freaklike, his bodywork the best, pressure like no other, he would absolutely Impose his will on Pacquiao and break him down systematically....

carras

08-07-2007, 04:28 AM

JCC walked though EDWIN ROSARIO's(#33 on ring magazine all time punchers list) bombs like they were nothing. Someone please explain to me how is pac going to stop him......

JCC by late KO

enquirer

08-07-2007, 04:38 AM

What is happening....Have you guys seen chavez outside boxrec?
Chavez' first title was at 130 and he fought many of his fights there...
Chavez whipped power puncher rosario and southpaw speedster camacho...He was never really hurt until his 90th fight...
He beat floyds uncle like a dog in two rounds at 130....
Look this chavez guy up.....

KO Boxing

08-07-2007, 04:45 AM

Oh... My... Lord.... :yikes

at the first couple of pages in the thread (couldn't get any further). I was unaware at how big the fandom for a certain fighter had actually gotten.

By the way, Chavez by KO/TKO. When and how wouldn't really matter. At some time before the 12th, and somehow. :yep

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 05:51 AM

chavez is mexico's greatest fighter ever and a top 10 ATG. pac may end up as the greatest asian fighter ever but i still think chavez wins this one.
Chavez is not top 10 ATG.

Chavez is top Mex fighter. But Look what Pac did to the 2 of the top 5 Greatest Mexican Fighters in MAB & EM. I'm sure when Pac's done with JMM, guzman & Soto you'll change your Pick.

blackstrider

08-07-2007, 06:03 AM

theunderdog

08-07-2007, 06:06 AM

most of the time, i dnt agree with some pac huggers but what i dnt understand is some haters giving pac mythical matchups against legends. Its Hard to compare,u all know that they are from decades ago..how would u know who wins?:huh

i suspect some are starting this threads just to piss pacfans. poor pac...he is bashed in between...peace

pac's not being bashed. believe me. this was intended to slap sense into some people. most of the people here like pac as a fighter and hate his entire entourage.

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:19 AM

most of the time, i dnt agree with some pac huggers but what i dnt understand is some haters giving pac mythical matchups against legends. Its Hard to compare,u all know that they are from decades ago..how would u know who wins?:huh

i suspect some are starting this threads just to piss pacfans. poor pac...he is bashed in between...peace

Most of these Pac haters was the One who was saying before that Pac was no Match with MAB & EM & was Proven wrong. Now they're just Playing safe & tryng to Match Pac with any ATGs & pick against Pac.

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:21 AM

pac's not being bashed. believe me. this was intended to slap sense into some people. most of the people here like pac as a fighter and hate his entire entourage.

Same thing when you Bashed me when I Pick Donaire against Vic????

Sister Sledge

08-07-2007, 06:28 AM

Chavez would beat Pac. As good as Pac is, he doesn't have Chavez' chin or physical strength and would be stopped in the later rounds of a barn burner.

theunderdog

08-07-2007, 06:33 AM

Neither MAB or EM are top 5 Mexican ATG's. Top 10, but not top 5. And we already saw what happened when Pac couldn't finish JMM, he got outboxed for 10 rounds. I do expect him to win the rematch with the increasingly fading Marquez though. Let's see him face the other two before we jump to any conclusions.

great answer

blackstrider

08-07-2007, 06:36 AM

I wont be surprised if i read a thread tommorow that says"Marvin Hagler or Hearns VS Pac at 130 who wins?"

:D

jlrivera81

08-07-2007, 07:36 AM

ko factor

08-07-2007, 08:29 AM

As good as PAC is, he is no where near on JCC's level. PAC caught barrera and morales after they had beaten eachother to death practically. He nearly loss to Marquez after dropping him 3 times in round 1. PAC caught Barrera sleeping and caught the world by surprise. But based on the marquez fight, you can see that if you can weather the early storm, PAC is very beatable by a decent boxer/counter puncher. JCC could easily handle anything little PAC has to offer. As one poster mentioned, PAC's speed is nothing compared to meldrick taylor.But that was at 126 when Pac was a left handed happy 1-2 puncher. We are comparing Pac right now at 130 which has improved tremendously under Roach tutelage... he has now develop a devastating right hook, boxing skills(watch the Larios fight) & is concentrating on his defense now by picking his spots using angles, much stronger at 130 & most of all he still has his speed & power.:hey

bumdujour

08-07-2007, 08:31 AM

look, this would be similar to chavez-rosario. chavez chin would easily swallow all pacs bombs then slowly break him down for a 9th round ko.

George W Hedge

08-07-2007, 08:42 AM

Chavez tko rd 11 pacquiao

just to tough & technical for pac.

:good

ko factor

08-07-2007, 08:46 AM

look, this would be similar to chavez-rosario. chavez chin would easily swallow all pacs bombs then slowly break him down for a 9th round ko.Question: Was Chavez chin stronger than Morales chin? Coz I believe Morales chin was stronger IMHO... never been knocked down legitimately until the second Pacman fight & the 3rd fight. Do you think Chavez chin could withstand Pacman non-stop punching based purely on your abovementioned argument?:patsch

bumdujour

08-07-2007, 08:57 AM

Question: Was Chavez chin stronger than Morales chin? Coz I believe Morales chin was stronger IMHO... never been knocked down legitimately until the second Pacman fight & the 3rd fight. Do you think Chavez chin could withstand Pacman non-stop punching based purely on your abovementioned argument?:patsch

rosario punched far harder than pac man. and chavez had no trouble with his power.:yep

and pac man wouldnt be punching non stop. cause trading with chavez is a little different than the kind of power pac man is used to getting hit with.

with that non stop style he would go out by a single bomb in two.

boxbox

08-07-2007, 09:01 AM

Olu G. Rotimi

08-07-2007, 09:07 AM

I would give this to Chavez by KO probably late. How about putting the Great Azumah Nelson into the mix against Pac Man at Featherweight or Junior Lightweight and against the Great Julio Cesar Chavez at Junior Lightweight. This one makes me tingle all over what wars those would have been.

bumdujour

08-07-2007, 09:08 AM

how do we know if pac cant take his punches? seriously...

we cant know for sure. this is a prediction, we can just look at the indications and guess.

pac man was knocked out twice early in his career. so his chin aint perfect. and chavez was a murderous puncher at 130.

boxbox

08-07-2007, 09:10 AM

we cant know for sure. this is a prediction, we can just look at the indications and guess.

pac man was knocked out twice early in his career. so his chin aint perfect. and chavez was a murderous puncher at 130.
those kO's were due to body shots...but yeah...if only they were at the same era, then we'll know. Impossible to tell now.

boxbox

08-07-2007, 09:14 AM

All the more reason to think Chavez KO's him, seeing as he had some of the best body-shots ever.
how about prime PAC? i have yet to see anybody hurt him right now..

ko factor

08-07-2007, 10:48 AM

rosario punched far harder than pac man. and chavez had no trouble with his power.:yep

and pac man wouldnt be punching non stop. cause trading with chavez is a little different than the kind of power pac man is used to getting hit with.

with that non stop style he would go out by a single bomb in two.Oh really? How did you know that Rosario punches harder than Pacman?:nut Pacman power is special, capable of cracking the hardest chins in boxing like what he did to Morales, MAB & Marquez. Nobody had won a fight against Pacman fighting toe to toe w/ him. Pacquiao's body shot is underrated, his conditioning is phenomenal & was never been bullied in the ring yet. Chavez was there to be hit & his style of going forward is perfect for Pacman. Eventually my prediction Chavez will kiss the canvas a couple of times & get stopped due to cuts by eating too many left hands from Pac . :bbb

stillafan

08-07-2007, 12:53 PM

KO factor,ur post is ridiculous!....Chavez rapes Pac at anyweight.....did some of these pac fans watch boxing before pacquiao??

Jason997

08-07-2007, 01:00 PM

Chavez goes cannibal and eats pacman in the ring.

reed_man02

08-07-2007, 01:04 PM

how about prime PAC? i have yet to see anybody hurt him right now..

he hasnt face any top fighters at 130 besides a past it morales, and pacs recent comp isnt even in the same world let alone same level as chavez. just accept that chavez kos pac inside 5 rounds otherwise you look like a lost kid.:yep

ko factor

08-07-2007, 05:25 PM

KO factor,ur post is ridiculous!....Chavez rapes Pac at anyweight.....did some of these pac fans watch boxing before pacquiao??Stillafan support your arguments. How & why?:-(

ko factor

08-07-2007, 05:26 PM

Chavez goes cannibal and eats pacman in the ring.:rofl:rofl:rofl

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:12 PM

KO factor,ur post is ridiculous!....Chavez rapes Pac at anyweight.....did some of these pac fans watch boxing before pacquiao??

I'ved been watching boxing since Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, & Tyson days. Then recently back & watching boxing again Because of Pac.

After tyson, I've been just an occasional Boxing fan & seen just a few fights, Bowe- Holy, DLH- TKO Chavez 1 & 2, DLH Trinidad. These fights didn't make me a Boxing fan again. I didn't see anything special with these fighters. Until I saw Pac-MAB. Pac reminds me why we're Crazy about Boxing during the SRL & Tyson days.

My memory of Chavez was Playing as a Pinata for DLH. Thanks youtube I saw Chavez in his Prime, but still not impressed & saw nothing special. Chavez is too slow for Pac. It will be like Pac MAB demolition.

stillafan

08-07-2007, 06:22 PM

Chaves vs DLH? yeah that was a prime Chaves there buddy!, far from.....you act like your a knowlegable fan and but then you say you were not impressed by an old Chavez?(chavez vs DLH) that wasnt prime chavez everyone knows that.if you knew anything about boxing you would know that that was a slow and old version of what once was.......and read though this thread, the pretty much concensus is that you PAc fanatics dont know shit about boxing.....you probably think he would kill a lion with his bare hands, while they were tied behind his back.....

A Prime CHavez was not even knocked down or beat in close to 90 fights....he beat fast fighters like meldrick Taylor, lethal punchers like Edwin Rosario and Roger mayweather, Slick fighters like hector Camacho....

in his prime...HE wwas a man amongst boys...

Mind Reader

08-07-2007, 06:26 PM

I'ved been watching boxing since Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, & Tyson days. Then recently back & watching boxing again Because of Pac.

After tyson, I've been just an occasional Boxing fan & seen just a few fights, Bowe- Holy, DLH- TKO Chavez 1 & 2, DLH Trinidad. These fights didn't make me a Boxing fan again. I didn't see anything special with these fighters. Until I saw Pac-MAB. Pac reminds me why we're Crazy about Boxing during the SRL & Tyson days.

My memory of Chavez was Playing as a Pinata for DLH. Thanks youtube I saw Chavez in his Prime, but still not impressed & saw nothing special. Chavez is too slow for Pac. It will be like Pac MAB demolition.

:lol: :lol:
Just like Pac and MAB!

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:34 PM

BxN

08-07-2007, 06:37 PM

Ok Ive changed my mind, Pac by murder!

I agree, Pacquiao by first round knockout. Chavez is a bum.

:nut

stillafan

08-07-2007, 06:39 PM

they will also agree, like most knowlegable fans on here...that Chavez would beat Pac in a heart beat......and bet your mortgage that PAc will never hold a candle to Chavez in an ATG category!!!....sad thing is what are you gusy gonna do when pac loses, gets old, or retires????? probably need some sort of counseling......i dont mind debating with unbiased pac fans, but the clowns that think he can beat fighters from Chavez, Sugar ray leaonard, and even Lennox Lewis...and that does sound stupid, but some of those lunatics are on here....its not even worth typing sometimes......

ravtrav

08-07-2007, 06:50 PM

I agree, Pacquiao by first round knockout. Chavez is a bum.

:nut:good WELL SAID

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:59 PM

stillafan

08-07-2007, 07:01 PM

then that didnt apply to you, 8unfortunately for this site...a lot of pac fanatics do think crazy things like that....and most (by far) unbiased knowlegable fans disagree with you on the chavez/pac fight.....

ko factor

09-10-2007, 03:15 PM

I say Pac right now at 130.... Chavez was green at that weight.

freddy-wak

09-10-2007, 03:18 PM

it'll be chapo all over again....

Thread Stealer

09-10-2007, 03:34 PM

I say Pac right now at 130.... Chavez was green at that weight.

Chavez had about 55 pro fights, and nearly ten on the world championship level, but the time he was done with 130.

That's not green.

Guru_Too_You

09-10-2007, 03:54 PM

Chavez via death.

Executioner

09-10-2007, 05:39 PM

Gotdamn..Pac fans drive me INSANE! I used to like Pac because of the fury, speed, the power, excitement and just all around explosiveness but his fans make it very hard for me to like him.

Chavez would seriously brutalize Pac within 9-10 rounds.

freddy-wak

09-10-2007, 05:42 PM

put it this way, if a past his prime erik whooped manny...what do you think a prime chavez will do to him..

kg0208

09-10-2007, 05:44 PM

put it this way, if a past his prime erik whooped manny...what do you think a prime chavez will do to him..

Kinda what I said....but they will tell you Pac move up and dominate from 106. Who else do that.

Executioner

09-10-2007, 05:45 PM

put it this way, if a past his prime erik whooped manny...what do you think a prime chavez will do to him..

Of course, Pac's fans will say "He would've won if not for the headbutt" or the gloves issue. but regardless, if Erik could still beat Pac clearly when he's past his best, a bigger, stronger Chavez would tear Manny a new one

freddy-wak

09-10-2007, 06:07 PM

Of course, Pac's fans will say "He would've won if not for the headbutt" or the gloves issue. but regardless, if Erik could still beat Pac clearly when he's past his best, a bigger, stronger Chavez would tear Manny a new one

for reals...

i mean, it is boxing and sometimes you could never tell..but chavez fought quicker, harder hitting guys who didnt even put a dent in him.......chavez was truly something special....and if he was white or black, they would have him up high....really high

i hate when they say "he's one of the best MEXICAN FIGHTERS ever"......why not just say he was one of the best boxers ever...

ravtrav

09-10-2007, 06:07 PM

Pac By Ko

kg0208

09-10-2007, 06:07 PM

Pac Loses By Ko

:good

ravtrav

09-10-2007, 06:16 PM

:good:lol: You know nothing about boxing cause you got the Undertaker in your avatar:rofl

kg0208

09-10-2007, 06:22 PM

:lol: You know nothing about boxing cause you got the Undertaker in your avatar:rofl

You realize that the Undertaker was the man who carried the American Flag while leading Team Pacquiao to the ring in his 2005 fight with Velazquez? He was in Pacman's entourage....so what does that say about Pacman if by my merely having him as an avatar says I don't know boxing :deal

Now you just look stupid saying that:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Funny....you knew who he was just by looking at him too.

ravtrav

09-10-2007, 06:29 PM

You realize that the Undertaker was the man who carried the American Flag while leading Team Pacquiao to the ring in his 2005 fight with Velazquez? He was in Pacman's entourage....so what does that say about Pacman if by my merely having him as an avatar says I don't know boxing :deal

Now you just look stupid saying that:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Funny....you knew who he was just by looking at him too.Calm down man. I know that the Taker is undefeated at Wrestle Mania:good i was being sarcastic

[Only registered and activated users can see links] Re: Is the UFC gay ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kg0208
No

says the guy with a wwf wrestler in his avatar.
ufc= 2 bouncers hugging for 3 rounds

edit for this blurb:

I find it funny that someone who likes wrestling would be sticking up for ufc....seems wrestling and ufc are the same fanbase: Retards

kg0208

09-10-2007, 06:29 PM

Calm down man. I know that the Taker is undefeated at Wrestle Mania:good
[Only registered and activated users can see links] Re: Is the UFC gay ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kg0208
No

says the guy with a wwf wrestler in his avatar.
ufc= 2 bouncers hugging for 3 rounds

edit for this blurb:

I find it funny that someone who likes wrestling would be sticking up for ufc....seems wrestling and ufc are the same fanbase: Retards
My mistake :good Sarcasm meter was off! My bad....

PacDbest

09-10-2007, 07:24 PM

This was discussed many many times... Still the same results!!!

Pac Fans says Pac Ko Chavez

Pac haters says Chavez KO Pac

Unfortunately there's more Pac Fans than Chavez's

Pac wins by KO!!!

kg0208

09-10-2007, 07:31 PM

This was discussed many many times... Still the same results!!!

Pac Fans says Pac Ko Chavez

Pac haters says Chavez KO Pac

Unfortunately there's more Pac Fans than Chavez's

Pac wins by KO!!!

There lies your biggest issue. Picking someone to beat Pacman doesn't make you a Pac Hater. Or did you miss the posters (including myself) who jumped all over the guy who said Pacman was overrated last week.

Stop seeing only what you want and perhaps you will see more. BTW, more people have picked Chavez to win than Pacman, so I don't know where you came up with your last 2 statements.

ko factor

09-10-2007, 08:12 PM

Bull shit, you have NO CLUE what you're talking about. AT ALL! It was his very best weight.Yeah! Against Tijuana cab drivers!:hi:

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:14 PM

Yeah! Against Tijuana cab drivers!:hi:

Right, cuz all those unknown Asian fighters who never won or fought for anything are so much better.

ko factor

09-10-2007, 08:17 PM

He was winning titles against cab drivers? Must've been pretty good. What does it matter anyway? He proved he could face top comp as it was, and the guy who told him that got owned like a bitch. Watch him fight there, it was definitely his best.The best JCC that I've seen when he was 135 to 140 but at 130 against Pac at this level at 130? I gave Pac the advantage.

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:22 PM

Executioner

09-10-2007, 08:22 PM

PacDBest, you've been raped enough times in this thread. Damn boy, you need to go to bed. :yep

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:23 PM

pac will murder chavez at 130.... those fighters that chavez did beat are class b and c fighters and cabby drivers...they are not worth comparing to number 2 pound per pound pac!!! end of discussion!! :good

And not a single fighter Pacman has beaten at 130 is worth comparing to Chavez. See how that works in reverse :deal

But the subject is closed.....Everyone outside Pacmania ain't drinkin the Kool Aid.

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:25 PM

And not a single fighter Pacman has beaten at 130 is worth comparing to Chavez. See how that works in reverse :deal

But the subject is closed.....Everyone outside Pacmania ain't drinkin the Kool Aid.

yap but pac is number 2 pound per pound :lol: :lol: :lol: how about chavez when he was campaigning at 130??? was he the numero uno or dos? :lol: :lol: case closed!! :good :good

Executioner

09-10-2007, 08:27 PM

Johnco is the same fuckhead that said Manny Pacquiao would make arguello quit

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:28 PM

yap but pac is number 2 pound per pound :lol: :lol: :lol: how about chavez when he was campaigning at 130??? is he the numero uno or dos? :lol: :lol: case closed!! :good :good
Hmmmm....there were no p4p rankings by Ring when Chavez was at 130.

But Chavez had a title:lol::lol::lol::lol: Where's Pacman's?

Oh, and has Ring ever rated Pacman #1 p4p? Chavez was......

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:29 PM

Johnco is the same fuckhead that said Manny Pacquiao would make arguello quit

so retard... didnt arguello quit??? :lol: :lol: he quit before, i dont see any problem him quiting again against the number two pound per pound :nut

ko factor

09-10-2007, 08:29 PM

Well if you think JCC was better at 140 than at 130 you likely just haven't seen any Chavez at 130. Not as slow, facing smaller opposition, bigger in comparison, and a higher workrate even, hard as that is to believe. No way Pacquiao has the advantage. How? In what way?Read my previous analysis : [Only registered and activated users can see links]

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:31 PM

so retard... didnt arguello quit??? :lol: :lol: he quit before, i dont see any problem him quiting again against the number two pound per pound :nut

Yah, but what you see isn't relevant. You keep asking about P4P rankings that didn't exist to validate your statement. That says alot about you.

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:32 PM

Johnco is one of the top 5 worst, stupidest posters on here. He is to PacMan what bigtime9 is to Floyd, what sucks is he actually has his little cronies to back him up, like PacDBest.

worst :huh how did that happen?? all you guys have in here is a big mouth but nothing to brag about?? you want me to show evidence?? :lol: :good :good :good

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:32 PM

Read my previous analysis : [Only registered and activated users can see links]

You can't use speed to beat Chavez. Pac's speed would be nullified by pressure and timing. Pacman can't overwhelm him with speed if Meldrick Taylor couldn't.

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:33 PM

worst :huh how did that happen?? all you guys have in here is a big mouth but nothing to brag about?? you want me to show evidence?? :lol: :good :good :good

We can't brag about anything? You want evidence?

Pacman is fighting MAB, a past his prime fighter he already beat instead of a champion fighter at 130. Brag about that:lol::lol:

ko factor

09-10-2007, 08:34 PM

Funny, I think the same way but in reverse. I think Pac's style is perfect for Chavez. A mover and a boxer is the way to beat Chavez, DEFINITELY not to brawl with him, seeing as he has an amazing chin, and crowds you so as not to let you get off space like Pac Man needs for his speed. Not to mention his debilitating body attack.We agree to disagree coz it's just a fantasy fight, we would never know who will win... both of us just presented our categorical opinions.:good

PH|LLA

09-10-2007, 08:34 PM

Chavez by UD in a grueling war

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:35 PM

Yah, but what you see isn't relevant. You keep asking about P4P rankings that didn't exist to validate your statement. That says alot about you.

all i am asking you kg is that name one fighter that chavez did beat at 130.....that is close enough to be worth mentioning at pacs stature :-(

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:37 PM

all i am asking you kg is that name one fighter that chavez did beat at 130..... is close enough to be worth mentioning at pacs stature :-(
And all I asked you Johnco is that question in reverse.... name one fighter close to Chavez's stature that Pacman has beaten at 130:good

Perhaps you can tell me how Buster Douglas beat Tyson....I mean, he never beat a fighter close in stature to Tyson before or after than fight. :lol::lol:

Your question isn't relevant.

Executioner

09-10-2007, 08:37 PM

Johnco is one of the top 5 worst, stupidest posters on here. He is to PacMan what bigtime9 is to Floyd, what sucks is he actually has his little cronies to back him up, like PacDBest.

:yep :yep

so retard... didnt arguello quit??? :lol: :lol: he quit before, i dont see any problem him quiting again against the number two pound per pound :nut

Wow..fantastic logic there, einstein. I'm impressed. I guess SRR wouldn't have a chance against Floyd cause Floyd is #1 P4P. :nut

ko factor

09-10-2007, 08:38 PM

You can't use speed to beat Chavez. Pac's speed would be nullified by pressure and timing. Pacman can't overwhelm him with speed if Meldrick Taylor couldn't.But Taylor didn't have the relentlessness, the heart & the power of what Pac's possesses, plus that southpaw stance. Pac is a true warrior in a sense that he fights without backing off.

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:38 PM

We can't brag about anything? You want evidence?

Pacman is fighting MAB, a past his prime fighter he already beat instead of a champion fighter at 130. Brag about that:lol::lol:

relax kg, pac will collect $ first then jmm is next.... another legend going down :good

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:39 PM

:yep :yep

Wow..fantastic logic there, einstein. I'm impressed. I guess SRR wouldn't have a chance against Floyd cause Floyd is #1 P4P. :nut

of course pea brain i am smarter than you :yep :yep

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:40 PM

But Taylor didn't have the relentlessness, the heart & the power of what Pac's possesses, plus that southpaw stance. Pac is a true warrior in a sense that he fights without backing up.

Which is why he wouldn't be able to get off as much. Pacman needs space. And no one who has ever fought Chavez was able to brawl with him or fight him up close.

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:40 PM

relax kg, pac will collect $ first then jmm is next.... another legend going down :good

A[Only registered and activated users can see links] that doesn't answer my question. He has been there for 2 years and no title.

JMM BTW, is not a legend or an ATG.

ko factor

09-10-2007, 08:42 PM

Which is why he wouldn't be able to get off as much. Pacman needs space. And no one who has ever fought Chavez was able to brawl with him or fight him up close.Nobody has beaten Pac as well going toe to toe with him.

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:43 PM

:yep :yep

Wow..fantastic logic there, einstein. I'm impressed. I guess SRR wouldn't have a chance against Floyd cause Floyd is #1 P4P. :nut

quiting is different from having a chance in defeating numero uno... :blood evry one has a chance in beating anyone. going to the topic of quiting, pac did it to others why not arguello :yep :yep

Executioner

09-10-2007, 08:44 PM

quiting is different from having a chance in defeating numero uno... :blood evry one has a chance in beating anyone. going to the topic of quiting, pac did it to others why not arguello :yep :yep

cause Arguello was a great technician with a tall frame, uncanny timing and accuracy with deadly knockout punching power.

ravtrav

09-10-2007, 08:45 PM

worst :huh how did that happen?? all you guys have in here is a big mouth but nothing to brag about?? you want me to show evidence?? :lol: :good :good :goodDO IT:lol: :hi:

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:46 PM

DO IT:lol: :hi:
Evidence would only matter if we were fans of the fighters Pacman beat.

I don't care about any of those guys. Neither do most here.....we have other fighters we can brag about if that is the trivial little game that Johnco is playing.

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:46 PM

A[Only registered and activated users can see links] that doesn't answer my question. He has been there for 2 years and no title.

JMM BTW, is not a legend or an ATG.

title is nothing :lol: he could if he wanted too but opted for $$$$. 126 and 130 pounders are open... after mab hell have a title i guarantee you :D :good

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:48 PM

title is nothing :lol: he could if he wanted too but opted for $$$$. 126 and 130 pounders are open... after mab hell have a title i guarantee you :D :good
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Title means nothing...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Say it again!!

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:48 PM

DO IT:lol: :hi:

eventually i will ravtav, relax.... it is not yet red alert :good

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:50 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Title means nothing...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Say it again!!

title is nothing if you got the $$$... lot of fighters right there have the abc but dont have the $$$ :yep to prove my point, pac aint got no title but he is the consensus pound per pound dos :good :good so what happened to those who got the belts??? any recognition for them :-( :-( :good :good

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:52 PM

title is nothing if you got the $$$... lot of fighters right there have the abc but dont have the $$$ :yep to prove my point, pac aint got no title but he is the consensus pound per pound dos :good :good so what happened to those who got the belts??? any recognition for them :-( :-( :good :good

Yup, they are called champions.....perhaps beating good fighters should be the goal. BTW, if this is your viewpoint, never bash PBF again. He has more money and recognition than Pacman so you should have NO problem with that:deal

Titles don't matter:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:53 PM

cause Arguello was a great technician with a tall frame, uncanny timing and accuracy with deadly knockout punching power.

very true....but what if he got caught again by pac and speed up the pedal... game over! same result :happy

ko factor

09-10-2007, 08:53 PM

Taylor was way faster, bigger, stronger, and at 140 had about as much power their as Pac would. Also, he threw way more punches than even Pac could throw.Do you think he was P4P stronger puncher than Pac? He was not a pressure fighter like Pac either.

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:55 PM

Do you think he was P4P stronger puncher than Pac? He was not a pressure fighter like Pac either.

He certainly wasn't. But he was p4p faster and a better boxer. My point is, speed wouldn't help against Chavez. Great defense and boxing skills were needed to beat him until he was old....ala Whitaker.

mbandit

09-10-2007, 08:57 PM

yap but pac is number 2 pound per pound :lol: :lol: :lol: how about chavez when he was campaigning at 130??? was he the numero uno or dos? :lol: :lol: case closed!! :good :good
Well just to let you know Chavez was once p4p #1 for like 3 years,what about pac?And another thing i've noticed is that pac has been hurt by body shots.Heck even Larios hurt him to the body and he was coming up from two weights and does not pack much power.Imagine what Chavez would do who was biger than Larios,was one of the best bodypunchers ever ,had a granite chin,had good boxing skills and very good power.tell me how pac would win?And dont say speed cuz Taylor was one of the fastest boxers to ever walk the earth,Rosario a much bigger puncher than Pacquiao,when Chavez faced him out of his 31 wins 29 were by k.o.He faced slick fighters like Camacho,all these fighters he dominated and they were faster and more powerful than pac and he walked right trhough their punches.So tell me why would it be diffrent with pac?Does pac have more power than Rosario?Faster than Taylor?Tell me how would he beat Chavez?Chavez would take pacs punches,pac would get frustrated,slowly Chavez would go to the body with tunderous shots,he was also a great head hunter,he also had very good head movement,trust me pac is used to being the bully,but in this case Chavez would be the bully.He would cut the ring on Pac and eventually end the fight with a body shot,or the ref would stop it due to all the punishment inflicted on pac.And the reason i am so sure Chavez would win is cuz the kin of fighter that gave him problems where boxers/movers like Taylor(and he still k.o ed him) and Whitaker.Pac is not a boxer/mover type of fighter,now fighters that liked to slug it out like Rosario would get punished and stopped.And pac is like Rosario slugger and puncher.Now you tell me how pac would beat Chavez?

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:57 PM

Yup, they are called champions.....perhaps beating good fighters should be the goal. BTW, if this is your viewpoint, never bash PBF again. He has more money and recognition than Pacman so you should have NO problem with that:deal

Titles don't matter:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

i dont meddle with pbf and hes superior than pac (above 130) :good i
and pbf will always have the money because he is at the heavier weight and american :yep :yep

look, jmm got the belt but pac is still higher than him not only in rankings but moneywise :good :good

johnco

09-10-2007, 08:59 PM

Well just to let you know Chavez was once p4p #1 for like 3 years,what about pac?And another thing i've noticed is that pac has been hurt by body shots.Heck even Larios hurt him to the body and he was coming up from two weights and does not pack much power.Imagine what Chavez would do who was biger than Larios,was one of the best bodypunchers ever ,had a granite chin,had good boxing skills and very good power.tell me how pac would win?And dont say speed cuz Taylor was one of the fastest boxers to ever walk the earth,Rosario a much bigger puncher than Pacquiao,when Chavez faced him out of his 31 wins 29 were by k.o.He faced slick fighters like Camacho,all these fighters he dominated and they were faster and more powerful than pac and he walked right trhough their punches.So tell me why would it be diffrent with pac?Does pac have more power than Rosario?Faster than Taylor?Tell me how would he beat Chavez?Chavez would take pacs punches,pac would get frustrated,slowly Chavez would go to the body with tunderous shots,he was also a great head hunter,he also had very good head movement,trust me pac is used to being the bully,but in this case Chavez would be the bully.He would cut the ring on Pac and eventually end the fight with a body shot,or the ref would stop it due to all the punishment inflicted on pac.And the reason i am so sure Chavez would win is cuz the kin of fighter that gave him problems where boxers/movers like Taylor(and he still k.o ed him) and Whitaker.Pac is not a boxer/mover type of fighter,now fighters that liked to slug it out like Rosario would get punished and stopped.And pac is like Rosario slugger and puncher.Now you tell me how pac would beat Chavez?

first of all you are entitiled to your hallucination this is a democratic site :good secondly, what is being discussed is at 130 NOT ABOVE the weight. if we agree on that then i can explain :good

kg0208

09-10-2007, 08:59 PM

i dont meddle with pbf and hes superior than pac (above 130) :good i
and pbf will always have the money because he is at the heavier weight and american :yep :yep

look, jmm got the belt but pac is still higher than him not only in rankings but moneywise :good :good

Oh those titles matter. And if one of those fighters unify, like Guzman beating Soto and then beats JMM, they will drop Pacman from #1.

johnco

09-10-2007, 09:01 PM

Oh those titles matter. And if one of those fighters unify, like Guzman beating Soto and then beats JMM, they will drop Pacman from #1.

that fast??? hell no. :-( :-( pac will be waiting :good

ko factor

09-10-2007, 09:02 PM

He certainly wasn't. But he was p4p faster and a better boxer. My point is, speed wouldn't help against Chavez. Great defense and boxing skills were needed to beat him until he was old....ala Whitaker.Yeah! But speed, power plus non-stop pressure will.:yep

mbandit

09-10-2007, 09:04 PM

first of all you are entitiled to your hallucination this is a democratic site :good secondly, what is being discussed is at 130 NOT ABOVE the weight. if we agree on that then i can explain :good
What hallucination?If you are talking about Chavez being p4p # 1 it is true,the ring had him # 1 for 3 or 4 years,if you don't beleive me research it and you will see I'm right .And I know we are talking about 130 wich is why I asked you to give me your analysis of how he would beat Chavez.I gave you mine now give me yours.

johnco

09-10-2007, 09:54 PM

He'd get outboxed like he did against JMM before getting KO'd by power he's never felt before, other than of course those nobody bums he got brutally KTFO'd against.:rofl

yep pac got outboxed... but why did jmm kissed the canvass?? :lol: :lol:

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 09:55 PM

yep pac got outboxed... here it is ... :rofl :rofl :rofl

He was outboxed for a majority of that fight. And using more smiley's isn't going change that little factoid child.

johnco

09-10-2007, 09:57 PM

He was outboxed for a majority of that fight. And using more smiley's isn't going change that little factoid child.

yap and kissing the canvass 3 times isnt going to change that too :rofl

johnco

09-10-2007, 09:59 PM

What hallucination?If you are talking about Chavez being p4p # 1 it is true,the ring had him # 1 for 3 or 4 years,if you don't beleive me research it and you will see I'm right .And I know we are talking about 130 wich is why I asked you to give me your analysis of how he would beat Chavez.I gave you mine now give me yours.

sorry i got cut off.... give me the link that chavez was number 1 pound per pound and ill continue :good

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:01 PM

yap and kissing the canvass 3 times isnt going to change that too :rofl

Change what? :huh Make sense please child.

What that shows is Pac was up by fours points after one round. So if he was 4 points up after one round...and the fight was a draw. You do the match. Use your toes too if you must.

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:02 PM

sorry i got cut off.... give me the link that chavez was number 1 pound per pound and ill continue :good

You were probably 2-3 years old then.

johnco

09-10-2007, 10:02 PM

You were probably 2-3 years old then.

and you were 60 then?? :rofl :rofl

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:04 PM

and you were 60 then?? :rofl :rofl

Nope. 16 I think. I'm only 35 noob. Just been watching boxing before you even joined the Pacquiao bandwagon.

johnco

09-10-2007, 10:04 PM

Change what? :huh Make sense please child.

What that shows is Pac was up by fours points after one round. So if he was 4 points up after one round...and the fight was a draw. You do the match. Use your toes too if you must.

and one ref said i am sorry "I MADE AN SCORING ERROR" :rofl :rofl
so jmm salvaging a draw even though pac has busted lefty .. :D :D

johnco

09-10-2007, 10:06 PM

Nope. 16 I think. I'm only 35 noob. Just been watching boxing before you even joined the Pacquiao bandwagon.

good to know.... why not join pac bandwagon... he doesnt bore me :yep
and he terminates his opponents with authority :good you are not convinced by pac?? :huh

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:08 PM

and one ref said i am sorry "I MADE AN SCORING ERROR" :rofl :rofl
so jmm salvaging a draw even though pac has busted lefty .. :D :D

So what? Scoring error aside, it was still THATCLOSE of a fight. And after being up 4 points after one round, JMM BOXED his way to make it that close. If he didn't outbox Pac, why didn't he win by more then 4 points at the end?

Listen child, you just cannot argue that JMM outboxed Pac after the first. Well, of course you can try, but it's just you being a fanboy.

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:10 PM

good to know.... why not join pac bandwagon... he doesnt bore me :yep
and he terminates his opponents with authority :good you are not convinced by pac?? :huh

I am a fan of his, probably was before you. I just don't whorship him like his fanboys do amd go overbord.

johnco

09-10-2007, 10:12 PM

So what? Scoring error aside, it was still THATCLOSE of a fight. And after being up 4 points after one round, JMM BOXED his way to make it that close. If he didn't outbox Pac, why didn't he win by more then 4 points at the end?

Listen child, you just cannot argue that JMM outboxed Pac after the first. Well, of course you can try, but it's just you being a fanboy.

and you can try to be smart but still you are dumb :lol:
the only people who think jmm won is you and you hords of pac haters :yep :yep well it is your mini solace... it is the only thing you can bring about in this forum..i dont blame you :lol: but the judge admitted his mistakes ... it is the truth :good

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:15 PM

and you can try to be smart but still you are dumb :lol:
the only people who think jmm won is you and you hords of pac haters :yep :yep well it is your mini solace... it is the only thing you can bring about in this forum..i dont blame you :lol: but the judge admitted his mistakes ... it is the truth :good
Did I say JMM won? And somehow I am a hater of a boxer I love to watch now? I know you're a nuthugger, but yo don't always have to act like a toddler in a toy store throwing a trantrum now.

See, you know I made a very valid point, and you're ignoring it and acting like a teenybopper fanboy.

Lets go over it again.

Pac up 4 points after one round.
Finished the fight at basically a draw (or a single point Pac win, either way close).
What does that tell you abour rounds 2-12. How do you think they went.

nighthunter

09-10-2007, 10:21 PM

pac KO

johnco

09-10-2007, 10:22 PM

Did I say JMM won? And somehow I am a hater of a boxer I love to watch now? I know you're a nuthugger, but yo don't always have to act like a toddler in a toy store throwing a trantrum now.

See, you know I made a very valid point, and you're ignoring it and acting like a teenybopper fanboy now.

Lets go over it again.

Pac up 4 points after one round.
Finished the fight at basically a draw (or a single point Pac win, either way close).
What does that tell you abour rounds 2-12. How do you think they went.

it was discussed a lot of times lance.. cant remember the exact round but i am giving pac 5 rounds with 1 round even. there is no way jmm will get 7 or more like the way the other judge scored it. way offside. now tell me yours and try not to be sarcastic

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:29 PM

it was discussed a lot of times lance.. cant remember the exact round but i am giving pac 5 rounds with 1 round even. there is no way jmm will get 7 or more like the way the other judge scored it. way offside. now tell me yours and try not to be sarcastic

I was perfectly fine with the draw. Aside from the first round, Pac really didn't do much, and I thought Marquez boxed his way back beautifully.

Anyway, how can anyone take you seriously. You are obvciously a GIANT Pac fan, and don't seem to know much about anyone else. You post like a scorned child, and I doubt you can even really score a fight involving Pac objectively.

dave82

09-10-2007, 10:33 PM

I see this only one way. JCC TKO 9 Manny Pac. Julios body work catches up to Manny in the later rounds.

johnco

09-10-2007, 10:44 PM

I was perfectly fine with the draw. Aside from the first round, Pac really didn't do much, and I thought Marquez boxed his way back beautifully.

there is no denying that jmm fought his way out and outboxed pac.
if not for the first round, pac lost that one. the thing about the scoring is some people scored it so high for jmm which is way off. i guess they have this sentiments because of jmm coming from the 3 kos. imo, jmm getting 10 rounds or more is crazy. the fight was brutal. it is hard to score it when emotions are high :deal

Anyway, how can anyone take you seriously. You are obvciously a GIANT Pac fan, and don't seem to know much about anyone else. You post like a scorned child, and I doubt you can even really score a fight involving Pac objectively.

am a GIANT pac fan... cant deny that. didnt claim to be boxing wizard, i just know the basics...basketball is my passion :good when someone act stupid and doesnt give what is due, then the childish acts come along. otherwise I respect the greats and other posters.. ive seen you post and i respect your opinion even at times we argue... trust me i know how to score. i turned off the volume and play it many times.. just like pac-jmm, if not for the first round, pac lost. esb is about opinion. not every one agrees, but nevertheless boxing is alive and well :bbb

KO Boxing

09-10-2007, 10:47 PM

:scaredas:

This thread is sickening... I am going to try, from now on, to never READ or REPLY to a Pac thread in future (so considering this is my last one, what a damn bad ending)... And it may even extend to his fights. I won't buy any fights, just download them...

Maybe, just maybe, in a few years, these guys will have disappeared (and hate to say it, perhaps even died)...

Lance_Uppercut

09-10-2007, 10:51 PM

am a GIANT pac fan... cant deny that. didnt claim to be boxing wizard, i just know the basics...basketball is my passion :good when someone act stupid and doesnt give what is due, then the childish acts come along. otherwise I respect the greats and other posters.. ive seen you post and i respect your opinion even at times we argue... trust me i know how to score. i turned off the volume and play it many times.. just like pac-jmm, if not for the first round, pac lost. esb is about opinion. not every one agrees, but nevertheless boxing is alive and well :bbb

I stand corrected. :good

For now.:hey

johnco

09-10-2007, 10:53 PM

I stand corrected. :good

For now.:hey

good.... well be at each others face again :smoke

mbandit

09-10-2007, 11:05 PM

sorry i got cut off.... give me the link that chavez was number 1 pound per pound and ill continue :good
Here is the link and that is just for 1990,go down to the page click on annual ratings home and go down on that page and you can see the p4p ratings for the following years or the years before. [Only registered and activated users can see links]'s_Annual_Ratings:_1990

He Hate Me

09-10-2007, 11:09 PM

Stop rushing the kid he's not ready yet.

PATSYS

09-10-2007, 11:13 PM

Pac by KO

mbandit

09-10-2007, 11:20 PM

And for those who say he foyght bums,just go to the 1988 light weight rankings in the link I provided and you will see that he fought all those top lightweights 6 out of ten ranked.And he dominated them not just beat them.Also if you guys check the close weights around like jr welterweight and also the following years you will see all the good top ten fighters he fought and beat.Its like pac fighting Guzman,Soto,Valero,Marquez,Barrios and Barrera and beating them all at 130.Thats what chavez did at 135.

4Rounder

09-10-2007, 11:47 PM

Pac by KO. Really. :good

No, JCC Super Star by KO inside 9.....really.:freddy

mbandit

09-11-2007, 12:02 AM

That's what they all said about Manny's "great" opponents. Nobody 3 categories north and south of Pac's weight category in the history of boxing will be able to handle a prime and focused Manny Pacquiao. Nobody. :smoke
O.k please do explain how pac would beat Chavez?I already did.

mbandit

09-11-2007, 12:26 AM

Manilla Ice. To the extreme. :bbb
O.k:nut

stillafan

09-11-2007, 12:30 AM

pac by Ko??

what the hell....have any of you guys seen a prime Chavez chin?? it was freakin made of Titaninum....for someone to say that Pac Kos Chavez, means they have never seen a prim Chavez....when the hell was Chavez even badly hurt in his prime...his legs never failed him in his prime...he could take pacs punches and walk through them....

Chavez by TKO....at 130, 135, 0r 140.

Damn i guess someone revived my thread!

Lance_Uppercut

09-11-2007, 12:33 AM

Pac by KO. Really. :good

YOu have no way to explain HOW he would do it don't ya. Yeah, "Manilla Ice"... :roll:grow up and TRY top say how he would. I mean, if you even can. :deal

mbandit

09-11-2007, 01:32 AM

sorry i got cut off.... give me the link that chavez was number 1 pound per pound and ill continue :good
Hey I brought you the link.So what do say about that?

kg0208

09-11-2007, 01:59 AM

Yeah! But speed, power plus non-stop pressure will.:yep

Not against the larger stronger fighter. Chavez would be bigger and stronger here.

4Rounder

09-11-2007, 03:13 AM

first of all you are entitiled to your hallucination this is a democratic site :good secondly, what is being discussed is at 130 NOT ABOVE the weight. if we agree on that then i can explain :good

WTF??:patsch

shows you actually don't know shit. Julio Cesar Chavez was the pound for pound king for 3 years.

JCC would take Pac's shots as if they were pad slaps and break him down to a stoppage within 9 rounds. :hi:

boxbox

09-11-2007, 05:14 AM

tough fight! depends on who has stronger work rate on fight night. both hard punchers and can absorb punches pretty well at this weight. i predict a bloody fight with either chavez or pac by a split decision.

George W Hedge

09-11-2007, 07:15 AM

Chavez would walk right through pacquiao & anyone who says different hasnt seen jc fight or are a member of the pacquiao family... full fuking stop.

mbandit

09-11-2007, 01:48 PM

Hey Jhonco I'm still waiting.You said Chavez was never p4p#1 I brought you the link,so what do you say now?

Executioner

09-11-2007, 01:52 PM

Seriously, Pac doesnt have a fuckin chance here. He can't hurt Chavez who has a great chin, he can't outmuscle him cause he's nowhere near as strong so WTF is he going to do? Get up on his toes, jab, move and outbox him that way?:rofl :rofl :rofl

warchild

09-11-2007, 04:50 PM

Chavez cleaned out 130, then moved up and out-slugged perhaps the hardest hitting lightweight of all time in Edwin Rosario, then moved up to 140 and stopped perhaps the fastest fighter P4P of all time in Meldrick Taylor. It would be very difficult for Pacquiao, who fought his first title fight at 112, to beat Chavez.

Chavez by early stoppage.

johnco

09-11-2007, 04:51 PM

Hey Jhonco I'm still waiting.You said Chavez was never p4p#1 I brought you the link,so what do you say now?

i saw it mbandit. good research. number one pitted against number 2.
i still reserve my vote for pac because chavez oppositions were not in the pound per pound rankings :good :good

ravtrav

09-11-2007, 05:11 PM

i saw it mbandit. good research. number one pitted against number 2.
i still reserve my vote for pac because chavez oppositions were not in the pound per pound rankings :good :goodYour up late/early

Pimp C

09-11-2007, 05:13 PM

JCC by mid round TKO.

Minotauro

09-11-2007, 05:28 PM

Chavez the guys chin was unreal he take anything Manny can throw and punish him to the body and eventually take him out in 8.

PacDbest

09-11-2007, 06:20 PM

Chavez the guys chin was unreal he take anything Manny can throw and punish him to the body and eventually take him out in 8.

Isn't Morales Chin was unreal before Pac give his the taste of the canvass????

digiram

09-11-2007, 06:56 PM

Chavez by brutal KO late in the fight.

I might reconsider if Pac were to go up to, say 140 to beat...let's say ahh Junior Witter.

stuistylee

09-11-2007, 09:37 PM

chavez woulda smashed pac...casual sports fans are the only 1's who wld think otherwise

johnco

09-12-2007, 12:10 AM

jcc would get hit, get in, left hook to liver, left upper, straight right and down goes the pacmonster.
glad this fight never happened cause it would had ruined johnco, ratrav and pacdbest lifes forever

nope..... if this fight indeed happened, it will be a national holiday in the philippines and day of mourning in mexico.:yep :yep i guarantee you, if pac did it to mab (MAB is nowhere between JCC BTW) but still a legend, then i dont see any problem pac doing the magic again. :good :good

johnco

09-12-2007, 12:11 AM

Your up late/early

whats up bro... :bbb

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 12:13 AM

i saw it mbandit. good research. number one pitted against number 2.
i still reserve my vote for pac because chavez oppositions were not in the pound per pound rankings :good :good

Is that how you make choices? :patsch By who was P4P?

Why don't you tell us HOW Pac would win. And BTW, saying he was too fast or strong does NOT work.

Either way, it's extremely doubtful you've even seen many JCC fights. But hey, give it a shot.:deal

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 12:13 AM

Isn't Morales Chin was unreal before Pac give his the taste of the canvass????

Yup, and Trevor Berbick was greater then Ali!!:lol::lol:

johnco

09-12-2007, 12:21 AM

Is that how you make choices? :patsch By who was P4P?

Why don't you tell us HOW Pac would win. And BTW, saying he was too fast or strong does NOT work.

Either way, it's extremely doubtful you've even seen many JCC fights. But hey, give it a shot.:deal

hello my friend lance... i will give you reasonable answer since you are diplomatic tonight.

jcc may be a technician, but he loves to go forward and trade when he gets excited. as history says, most fighters who went toe to toe with packy suffered a ko or brutal punishment.dont get me wrong jcc has iron chin, but pacs relentless attack will wear him out. on the other hand if jcc goes to his style of not getting excited and play his pace, then pac will get frustrated which will lead to jcc getting the ud. i would say at 130 it will be 40 to 60 favoring jcc. :deal

kg0208

09-12-2007, 12:22 AM

hello my friend lance... i will give you reasonable answer since you are diplomatic tonight.

jcc may be a technician, but he loves to go forward and trade when he gets excited. as history says, most fighters who went toe to toe with packy suffered a ko or brutal punishment.dont get me wrong jcc has iron chin, but pacs relentless attack will wear him out. on the other hand if jcc goes to his style of not getting excited and play his pace, then pac will get frustrated which will lead to jcc getting the ud. i would say at 130 it will be 40 to 60 favoring jcc. :deal
Well, even if JCC gets excited and goes toe to toe, the history of JCC says he wins as well. Just saying you can't just use Pacman's history there. They both have a history of winning brawls.

johnco

09-12-2007, 12:26 AM

Well, even if JCC gets excited and goes toe to toe, the history of JCC says he wins as well. Just saying you can't just use Pacman's history there. They both have a history of winning brawls.

nope, i will go with my boy. jcc's history with going toe to toe are fighters who were classified as class b and c (althouh it indeed happened at 130 ). and pacs history was phenomenal ( mixture of A, B abd C , although pac is still creating his name at this weight ).. i will give the edge with my boy :good

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 12:26 AM

hello my friend lance... i will give you reasonable answer since you are diplomatic tonight.

jcc may be a technician, but he loves to go forward and trade when he gets excited. as history says, most fighters who went toe to toe with packy suffered a ko or brutal punishment.dont get me wrong jcc has iron chin, but pacs relentless attack will wear him out. on the other hand if jcc goes to his style of not getting excited and play his pace, then pac will get frustrated which will lead to jcc getting the ud. i would say at 130 it will be 40 to 60 favoring jcc. :deal
Most fighters Pac faced, and by most I mean ALL, were NOT Julio Cesar Chavez or in his league. JCC was a VERY hard hitter not to mention one of the best at attacking the body. I seem to recall Pac getting stopped by a body shot.

Either way Pac has not shown anything @ 130 to make you think he competes with Chavez. He split fights w/ a fading Morales. That's about it.

And here's where you say he MADE Morales that way while like that ignoring ALL his previous wars. :patsch

kg0208

09-12-2007, 12:30 AM

nope, i will go with my boy. jcc's history with going toe to toe are fighters who were classified as class b and c (althouh it indeed happened at 130 ). and pacs history was phenomenal ( mixture of A, B abd C , although pac is still creating his name at this weight ).. i will give the edge with my boy :good
Not gonna argue with you. Chavez fought plenty of A class fighters. I would say more than Pacman certainly. Ramirez, Rosario, Taylor, etc.

johnco

09-12-2007, 12:42 AM

Most fighters Pac faced, and by most I mean ALL, were NOT Julio Cesar Chavez or in his league. JCC was a VERY hard hitter not to mention one of the best at attacking the body. I seem to recall Pac getting stopped by a body shot.

Either way Pac has not shown anything @ 130 to make you think he competes with Chavez. He split fights w/ a fading Morales. That's about it.

And here's where you say he MADE Morales that way while like that ignoring ALL his previous wars. :patsch

but most fighters jcc faced at 130, WERE NOT IN PACS LEAGUE EITHER .... jcc was a hard hitter which is true but how about pac?? 3 pound per pound (JMM, EM, MAB) went down more than 10 times. you can argue that other fights didnt happen at 130 and pac didnt prove at 130 yet, but still these are class A fighters being mentioned in the ring magazine. now can you name 3 fighters that jcc defeated at 130 that belongs to the elite?? NONE. you may argue again that pac didnt either at 130, but remember pac is going up and trying to find his niche.
pac got kod when he was 17, a malnourished guy who couldnt even afford a 3 meals a day. look at how pac evolved.. his physique, his stamina, it is totally different now. dont give me the crappy reasoning about em... em fought a head butted pac. em won,no excuse, but please you know that you can see better with two eyes than one. you know that lance ;) and em couldnt even put away a 1 eyed pac... it was even close :deal ...chavez will have a hard time facing pac. he will face a fighter that is far superior to those guys he defeated at 130 :deal

kg0208

09-12-2007, 12:44 AM

but most fighters jcc faced at 130, WERE NOT IN PACS LEAGUE EITHER .... jcc was a hard hitter which is true but how about pac?? 3 pound per pound (JMM, EM, MAB) went down more than 10 times. you can argue that other fights didnt happen at 130 and pac didnt prove at 130 yet, but still these are class A fighters being mentioned in the ring magazine. now can you name 3 fighters that jcc defeated at 130 that belongs to the elite?? NONE. you may argue again that pac didnt either at 130, but remember pac is going up and trying to find his niche.
pac got kod when he was 17, a malnourished guy who couldnt even afford a 3 meals a day. look at how pac evolved.. his physique, his stamina, it is totally different now. dont give me the crappy reasoning about em... em fought a head butted pac. em won,no excuse, but please you know that you can see better with two eyes than one. you know that lance ;) and em couldnt even put away a 1 eyed pac... it was even close :deal ...chavez will have a hard time facing pac. he will face a fighter that is far superior to those guys he defeated at 130 :deal

Remember this. Chavez was a hard hitter at 140 too....Pacman is smaller than Chavez. Pacman will not be the harder puncher in the ring with Chavez who fought all the way to 154.

johnco

09-12-2007, 12:44 AM

Not gonna argue with you. Chavez fought plenty of A class fighters. I would say more than Pacman certainly. Ramirez, Rosario, Taylor, etc.

above 130 jcc history is phenomenal... nothin to argue about that and jcc will smoke pac.

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 12:51 AM

but most fighters jcc faced at 130, WERE NOT IN PACS LEAGUE EITHER .... jcc was a hard hitter which is true but how about pac?? 3 pound per pound (JMM, EM, MAB) went down more than 10 times. you can argue that other fights didnt happen at 130 and pac didnt prove at 130 yet, but still these are class A fighters being mentioned in the ring magazine. now can you name 3 fighters that jcc defeated at 130 that belongs to the elite?? NONE. you may argue again that pac didnt either at 130, but remember pac is going up and trying to find his niche.

What he did to Marquez and Barrera @ 126 or Morales @ 130 is meaningless. We aren't talking about them. All you do is try to talk about P4P or names. You have no clue how this fight would happen. :patsch

pac got kod when he was 17, a malnourished guy who couldnt even afford a 3 meals a day. look at how pac evolved.. his physique, his stamina, it is totally different now. dont give me the crappy reasoning about em... em fought a head butted pac. em won,no excuse, but please you know that you can see better with two eyes than one. you know that lance ;) and em couldnt even put away a 1 eyed pac... it was even close :deal ...chavez will have a hard time facing pac. he will face a fighter that is far superior to those guys he defeated at 130 :deal

You keep saying how Chavez has naver faced anyone like Pac, who at 130 BTW hasn't really proven anything, but please, tell me who Pac beat that was like JCC if that's your logic.

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:06 AM

:nut What he did to Marquez and Barrera @ 126 or Morales @ 130 is meaningless. We aren't talking about them. All you do is try to talk about P4P or names. You have no clue how this fight would happen. :patsch

You keep saying how Chavez has naver faced anyone like Pac, who at 130 BTW hasn't really proven anything, but please, tell me who Pac beat that was like JCC if that's your logic.

i am telling you pound per pound names because it is the measuring stick.. did you get the logic??? let say you are the employer for a IT company and you are interviewing 2 candidates for a particular position. you got jcc and pac. both of them went to the same ivy league school, young and ambitous. but jccs job experience was a hohoom one. his companies are not even in the fortune 500. but here is guy applying linking his name in the top companies... excluding other characteristics, NOW TELL ME WHOM WILL YOU HIRE??? :hey :hey

on the other hand,
what about a guy named mab?? number 3 pound per pound totally destroyed ..... not on the level with JCC (BUT BEFORE PAC TERMINATED HIM, HE WAS CONSIDERED MEXICOS ELITE and compared with the greats..... now you will say he is nowhere to jcc to save your ass :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl ..... tell me who at 130 jcc defeated that is pound per pound and close to pac level???? :deal

reed_man02

09-12-2007, 01:08 AM

brooklyn1550

09-12-2007, 01:09 AM

All these emoticons make me think that johnco is to Manny Pacquiao as bigtime9 is to Floyd Mayweather.

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:09 AM

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
:nut:patsch:!:

i know you are amazed red manure... you are my number 1 fan :lol: :lol:

kg0208

09-12-2007, 01:10 AM

:nut

i am telling you pound per pound names because it is the measuring stick.. did you get the logic??? let say you are the employer for a IT company and you are interviewing 2 candidates for a particular position. you got jcc and pac. both of them went to the same ivy league school, young and ambitous. but jccs job experience was a hohoom one. his companies are not even in the fortune 500. but here is guy applying linking his name in the top companies... excluding other characteristics, NOW TELL ME WHOM WILL YOU HIRE??? :hey :hey

on the other hand,
what about a guy named mab?? number 3 pound per pound totally destroyed ..... not on the level with JCC (BUT BEFORE PAC TERMINATED HIM, HE WAS CONSIDERED MEXICOS ELITE and compared with the greats..... now you will say he is nowhere to jcc to save your ass :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl ..... tell me who at 130 jcc defeated that is pound per pound and close to pac level???? :deal
But by your logic, if you were that company, you would need to look at Pacman's resume at 130. He hasn't beaten a P4P fighter at 130.

You aren't asking your questions right.

You ask who JCC has beaten that is P4P at 130 close to Pacman.

The inverse is who has Pacman has beaten at 130 close to Chavez.

You cannot say Pacman is linked to all these great companies (beaten fighters I presume at 130 is your analogy) because he isn't linked to any at 130. Just a past his best Morales who was not P4P when he beat him. And Morales did beat him.

So if you are going to ask these questions, you need to ask them correctly.

You need to answer the same question your asking in reverse. Who has Pacman beaten that is P4P and is close to JCC's level at 130?

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:15 AM

But by your logic, if you were that company, you would need to look at Pacman's resume at 130. He hasn't beaten a P4P fighter at 130.

You aren't asking your questions right.

You ask who JCC has beaten that is P4P at 130 close to Pacman.

The inverse is who has Pacman has beaten at 130 close to Chavez.

You cannot say Pacman is linked to all these great companies (beaten fighters I presume at 130) because he isn't linked to any at 130. Just a past his best Morales who was not P4P when he beat him. And Morales did beat him.

as i have said he is moving up and doing fine..... and hes number 2 right now.... :good morales won with a head butt :yep :yep and this is part of his resume ...

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

isnt it impressive???

kg0208

09-12-2007, 01:20 AM

as i have said he is moving up and doing fine..... and hes number 2 right now.... :good morales won with a head butt :yep :yep and this is part of his resume ...

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

isnt it impressive???
I am not going to do these games. You know how many fighters have been headbutted? If thats all it takes to beat him, then he is in trouble.

The point is, this is the fundemental problem with your arguing your points. You ask questions, but when asked the inverse of your question, you don't answer it or you respond with something that has nothing to do with the actual topic. Examples:

He is p4p #2 doesn't mean anything to this argument. If it did, I would just point out that once Ring started its P4P rankings in 1989, by 1990 Chavez was #1 and stayed there 3 yrs in a row. You would lose that argument based on that.

You can't talk about people making excuses saying that MAB isn't as good as JCC when before he lost they were comparing them. I would simply point out that you just made an excuse for Pacman losing to Morales that happens in many fights and the fighters get past it. There have also been a # of excuses for his other losses.

Just trying to help you here.

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:21 AM

All these emoticons make me think that johnco is to Manny Pacquiao as bigtime9 is to Floyd Mayweather.

good brooklyn. i am just a happy man because i have the bragging rights ;) ;)

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:25 AM

I am not going to do these games. You know how many fighters have been headbutted? If thats all it takes to beat him, then he is in trouble.

The point is, this is the fundemental problem with your arguing your points. You ask questions, but when asked the inverse of your question, you don't answer it or you ask the wrong one.

He is p4p #2 doesn't mean anything to this argument. If it did, I would just point out that once Ring started its P4P rankings in 1989, by 1990 Chavez was #1 for 3 yrs in a row. You would lose that argument based on that.

You can't talk about people making excuses saying that MAB isn't as good as JCC when before he lost they were comparing them. I would simply point out that you just made an excuse for Pacman losing to Morales that happens in many fights and the fighters get past it. There have also been a # of excuses for his other losses.

Just trying to help you here.

and being number 1 pound per pound but you were busting cabby drivers and class b and c is nothing special.... pac may be number 2 (OR SOME SAY HE"S 1 ;) ) but he is terminating pound per pound fighters like flys :rofl :rofl and as i have said, pac didnt prove anything at 130 "YET" but pac beating THE NAMES below 130 and jcc beating cabby drivers and b and c at 130 ,which is not in pac leagues, is easy to comprehend .. i hope you've been helped :good

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 01:26 AM

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 01:27 AM

All these emoticons make me think that johnco is to Manny Pacquiao as bigtime9 is to Floyd Mayweather.

He absolutley is.

Hey johnco, you know how stupid Bigtime9 comes off right? Well, I got bad news for you child...:yep

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:28 AM

Well then. Mayorga was on the P4P lists for a while. As was Vernon Forrest. I guess that makes them ATG's. :patsch

Johnnyboy, you really are cluless about this sport. And I don't say that to be a jerk, I'm telling you because you just are.

mayorga and forrest.... where are they now?? :D pac is still around and kicking...:good

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 01:30 AM

good brooklyn. i am just a happy man because i have the bragging rights ;) ;)

You have no bragging rioghts child. What have you done to earn any bragging right? Be a nuthugger? :huh Pac is the one in the ring. You're behind a keyboard doing nothing..

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 01:31 AM

mayorga and forrest.... where are they now?? :D pac is still around and kicking...:good

That's not the point. I doubt you even know what I was tlaking about. You are TOO MUCH like Bigtime9. You post what you want, and ignore anything else.

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:36 AM

You have no bragging rioghts child. What have you done to earn any bragging right? Be a nuthugger? :huh Pac is the one in the ring. You're behind a keyboard doing nothing..
no bragging rights??? and why...arent these bragging rights??

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now show me yours???? :deal

kg0208

09-12-2007, 01:41 AM

and being number 1 pound per pound but you are busting cabby drivers and class b and c is more nothing special.... pac may be number 2 (OR SOME SAY HE"S 1 ;) ) but he is terminating pound per pound fighters like flys :rofl :rofl and as i have said, pac didnt prove anything at 130 "YET" but pac beating THE NAMES and jcc beating cabby drivers and b and c at 130 ,which is not in pac leagues, is easy to comprehend .. i hope you've been helped :good

You don't get it. I can pick you apart and all you can do is get mad and pretend you aren't by trying to make jokes. I was trying to honestly help you because you don't seem to get why you and Pacdbest get jumped on constantly. You don't argue actual points.

You can't talk about JCC's competition at 130 since Pacman hasn't beat anyone at 130. One top 10 fighter isn't very good. He isn't terminating P4P fighters. It will get turned against you.

Pacman hasn't beaten anyone on Chavez's level. So you can't use the argument that JCC never beat anyone on Pacman's level without having it thrown back in your face.

You are arguing your opinion against facts.

Here are the facts. BTW, you guys love to use Ring to make points. It will be used against you now.

You are talking about Chavez's competition at 130 being weak?

He beat Lockridge and Mayweather, both Ring champions at that weight with Lockridge being #4 and Mayweather being #3 when he beat them. He beat Martinez, the #3 fighter by Ring when Chavez beat him. He beat LaPorte who was #3 when Chavez beat him. These are not cab drivers....or does Ring rank them?

Now compare Pacman's resume at the same weight.

You can't win this argument.

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 01:41 AM

no bragging rights??? and why...arent these bragging rights??

now show me yours???? :deal

Those are pics of Pacquiao. You had nothing to do with them.

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:43 AM

Those are pics of Pacquiao. You had nothing to do with them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Lance you can be a comedian :lol::lol::lol:

mbandit

09-12-2007, 01:46 AM

and being number 1 pound per pound but you were busting cabby drivers and class b and c is nothing special.... pac may be number 2 (OR SOME SAY HE"S 1 ;) ) but he is terminating pound per pound fighters like flys :rofl :rofl and as i have said, pac didnt prove anything at 130 "YET" but pac beating THE NAMES below 130 and jcc beating cabby drivers and b and c at 130 ,which is not in pac leagues, is easy to comprehend .. i hope you've been helped :good
So I guess Hector Camacho,Meldrick Taylor,Edwin Rosario,Roger Mayweather,Tony Lopez,Jose luis Ramirez,Rocky Lodrigde,And Ruben Castillo were all bums right?Do you know that all those fighters were the best of the best in his divisions when he fought thwm and beat them?Rosario is a hall famer,Camacho will be and so might Ramirez and Lopez.Do you know that Chavez defended his 130 pound title a total of 10 times and his 140 title 13 times.How many times did Pac defend any titles?Just go to the 1988 light weight rankings in the link I provided and you will see that he fought all those top lightweights 6 out of ten ranked.And he dominated them not just beat them.Also if you check the close weights around like jr welterweight and also the following years you will see all the good top ten fighters he fought and beat.So he beat a lot of A+ and A fighters.

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 01:47 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Lance you can be a comedian :lol::lol::lol:

Why? You're way funnier then I am. At least, in a non-intentional fashion.

stillafan

09-12-2007, 01:48 AM

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:48 AM

You can't talk about JCC's competition at 130 since Pacman hasn't beat anyone at 130. One top 10 fighter isn't very good. He isn't terminating P4P fighters. It will get turned against you.

i said pac didnt prove any thing yet at 130. next

Pacman hasn't beaten anyone on Chavez's level. So you can't use the argument that JCC never beat anyone on Pacman's level without having it thrown back in your face.

and do you think jcc faced anyone like pac at 130 :bart:bart:bart next

Here are the facts. BTW, you guys love to use Ring to make points. It will be used against you now.

You are talking about Chavez's competition at 130 being weak?

He beat Lockridge and Mayweather, both Ring champions at that weight with Lockridge being #4 and Mayweather being #3 when he beat them. He beat Martinez, the #3 fighter by Ring when Chavez beat him. He beat LaPorte who was #3 when Chavez beat him. These are not cab drivers....or does Ring rank them?

any NUMBER TWO POUND PER POUND ??? :bart:bart:bart NEXT

Now compare Pacman's resume at the same weight.

i said pac has nothing to do at 130 yet..... :good

You can't win this argument...

why??? pac is better than those jcc defeated at 130 :hi::hi:

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:51 AM

Johnco, what are you gonna do when pac ages and loses..??? are you gonna kill yourself..?? Seriously, talked about having little to no boxing knowledge nor respect from your fellow posters as being a knowlegable fan....I guess Pac can beat King Kong with his left hand broken as well.......every knowlegable fan knows this matchup is bad for pac....not only is Chavez a better boxer, has better Chin, stronger, and bigger than pac....he would literally walk through him at any weight...i think u know this as well, so your pulling your 3rd grade movs and trying to irritate the boxing fans that have COMMON SENSE!..lol...

i will give what is due.... COMMON SENSE bro If you can show pictures just like the one i did then you have the right to have the biggest mouth in this forum... but if you couldnt show any and you have the biggest mouth, then i believe that you are a pretender who knows nothing ... LOL :yep:yep:yep

so whose grade 3 now???? pwned :hey:hey

johnco

09-12-2007, 01:55 AM

So I guess Hector Camacho,Meldrick Taylor,Edwin Rosario,Roger Mayweather,Tony Lopez,Jose luis Ramirez,Rocky Lodrigde,And Ruben Castillo were all bums right?Do you know that all those fighters were the best of the best in his divisions when he fought thwm and beat them?Rosario is a hall famer,Camacho will be and so might Ramirez and Lopez.Do you know that Chavez defended his 130 pound title a total of 10 times and his 140 title 13 times.How many times did Pac defend any titles?Just go to the 1988 light weight rankings in the link I provided and you will see that he fought all those top lightweights 6 out of ten ranked.And he dominated them not just beat them.Also if you check the close weights around like jr welterweight and also the following years you will see all the good top ten fighters he fought and beat.So he beat a lot of A+ and A fighters.

you are going above 130 mbandit.. pac has no business there. chavez would rape pac above 130.

stillafan

09-12-2007, 01:56 AM

so your reasoning is that if someone can show pictures=means they are knowlegable?????????:huh :-( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BRO ARE YOU RETARDED???:lol: :lol: :lol:

showing pics has nothing to do with knowlege, in fact one can argue a corrolation with one making pics on a computer can arguably be a 350 pound computer hacker living his grandmother's garage!..lol....with picks of pacs on the wall...:lol: :lol:

Bro, how do you figure that showing pics, equates to being a knowlegable fan???:hi: :dead :yikes

Lance_Uppercut

09-12-2007, 02:00 AM

you are going above 130 mbandit.. pac has no business there. chavez would rape pac above 130.

Why does he rape him at 135, but LOSE at 130? This is just like the Duran thread moron. All you do is look at boxrec and try to find name you recognize. We all know your type johnny. You're not a boxing fan, and you have no sense of history. When Pac's done, you're done.