Juan Manuel Marquez Rejects Joan Guzman, OKs Rocky Juarez As Sept. 15 Foe!

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Juan Manuel Marquez Rejects Joan Guzman, OKs Rocky Juarez As Sept. 15 Foe!

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This Boxingconfidential story, sure to be copied by other sites within the next 24 hours (remember where you deaf people heard it first, lol), is a sad one for our roving reporter John Chavez. It might make the San Franciscan weep right into his soba noodles and fried tofu.
It won’t be longshot Edwin Valero in the opposite corner against WBC 130-pound champion Juan Manuel Marquez Sept. 15 in Golden Boy’s big Vegas PPV main event.

As revealed exclusively on Boxingconfidential.com Saturday night, at 11:47 pm and 45 seconds, challenger Jorge “La Hienna” was scatched as Marquez’s opponent for medical reasons, perhaps an eye problem or just an iniability to slim down to the super featherweight limt.

Valero, the unbeaten WBA champ, has his own medical licensing problems which is why he is campaigning under the Teiken promotional banner in Japan.

Marquez’s substitute foe is going to be Rocky Juarez. That’s the new situation and Juarez was locked in only after the Marquez handlers adamantly refused to fight undefeated WBO champ Joan Guzman. Manager Jose Nunez pushed hard for the Marquez unification bout but the Marquez camp said no, no no and hell no.

So Guzman and Mexican hardman Humberto Soto will collide on Nov. 17.

Indonesia's Chris John, a complete unknown in America, never got a mention as a substitute for the Argentine tough guy Barrios.



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[Fedor Em]

If this is the case real bad move on JMM's part legacy wise. Guzman is a top 5 fighter at 130, Juarez is not.

[bigtime9]

If this is the case real bad move on JMM's part legacy wise. Guzman is a top 5 fighter at 130, Juarez is not.


he knows guzman would beat his ass...typical cherry picking by marquez.

[Jose FM]

You know i respect Marquez but this is the second fighter that hes rejected to fight. A rematch with Pacquiao, and now Joan Guzman...Whats this guys deal?

[Ramshall1]

Not that big a deal IMO, he's been preparing to face a slugger/brawler type. . . to switch to Guzman this late would be a stupid move on his handlers part.

[a.arthur.h]

Marquez wins easily. I'm not excited in the least about this fight, considering both Valero and Guzman were possibilities, even Chris John. Whatever you think about Valero doesn't change the fact that Juarez is currently the leftovers of Barrerra who Marquez beat. Refusing to fight Guzman as well? :-(

:twisted: Instead of Pacquiao vs Marquez we get Pacquiao vs Barrerra..Barrera who Pac already knocked out, and coming off a loss..I like Barrera but it makes no sense. The Marquez Pacquiao fight would be in much more demand. Valero and Guzman would be much bigger money fights than Juarez as well..

I don't see how Juarez gets this title shot after beating two subpar opponents. Easy win for Marquez, hopefully by KO :verysad. Juarez is just too gunshy as of late.

Disclaimer: I realise what I wrote above sounds very angry and may sound as though I dislike certain fighters. Rest assured it's just my frustration about a horrible matchup that will take place (in my opinion). Apologies to anyone who feels offended by what I've said about certain fighters. Just venting is all, not looking to get into a arguement on how Juarez is worthy of a shot or not (he isn't).

[psychopath]

Juan Manuel Marquez Rejects Joan Guzman, OKs Rocky Juarez As Sept. 15 Foe!

Oh Fuck GBP! Is Juarez destined to be just another LIVE PUNCHING BAG for the rest of GBP's 130 fighters?

Juarez has no chance and besides he has nothing to offer . . . why not fight Guzman . . . for Christ sake!

:patsch :huh :-(

[Jose FM]

Not that big a deal IMO, he's been preparing to face a slugger/brawler type. . . to switch to Guzman this late would be a stupid move on his handlers part.
Its not like Guzman knew this was gonna happen, he hasnt been waiting for Barrios to get injured in order to fight Marquez. Hey, you claim you are the best at a division then prove it! Bottomline is that Juarez is second tier comp. :deal

[PacDbest]

Oh Fuck GBP! Is Juarez destined to be just another LIVE PUNCHING BAG for the rest of GBP's 130 fighters?

Juarez has no chance and besides he has nothing to offer . . . why not fight Guzman . . . for Christ sake!

:patsch :huh :-(

Confirmed: Marquez is the Mexican Chicken.

[Jose FM]

Oh Fuck GBP! Is Juarez destined to be just another LIVE PUNCHING BAG for the rest of GBP's 130 fighters?

Juarez has no chance and besides he has nothing to offer . . . why not fight Guzman . . . for Christ sake!

:patsch :huh :-(
Guzman is a GBP fighter.

[psychopath]

Guzman is a GBP fighter.

I know . . . I know that's why it's gonna be easy for them to arrange that fight if they wanted to. Why Rocky? :fire

[Ramshall1]

Its not like Guzman knew this was gonna happen, he hasnt been waiting for Barrios to get injured in order to fight Marquez. Hey, you claim you are the best at a division then prove it! Bottomline is that Juarez is second tier comp. :deal

JMM is the top dog other than Pac at 130 . . . Guzman is a big enough risk to take on at full notice. . . let alone short notice . . . any manager/promoter worth a damn makes the same move.

Now if you ask wether Guzman shoulda got the fight to begin with, thats a different story and I would agree that he should of got the nod over Barrios.

[Stinky gloves]

Guzman the most feared boxer in the world, Marquez is ducking him, PAc is ducking him,
Barrera is ducking him and Morales is rather retiring than willing to fight him.:smoke

[geppy]

Did they give any reason why Guzman was "rejected" as an opponent?

Pacman was rejected as an opponent as well. Then Marquez went to Asia and lost his belt for a purse of 25,000 , compared to millions he would of made in a Pacman rematch.

[psychopath]

Its not like Guzman knew this was gonna happen, he hasnt been waiting for Barrios to get injured in order to fight Marquez. Hey, you claim you are the best at a division then prove it! Bottomline is that Juarez is second tier comp. :deal

:yep :yep :good

[PacDbest]

Guzman the most feared boxer in the world, Marquez is ducking him, PAc is ducking him,
Barrera is ducking him and Morales is rather retiring than willing to fight him.:smoke

and Guzman Ducks Katsidis.

[ko factor]

It's all business nowadays, Jmm might be thinking that Guzman is a high risk low reward opponent.

[BigReg]

Not that big a deal IMO, he's been preparing to face a slugger/brawler type. . . to switch to Guzman this late would be a stupid move on his handlers part.

Good point. I don't think JMM is scared to fight anyone, it would be a mistake to fight someone,espically one as good as Guzman, who fights a totally different style than the one you've been training for on such short notice.

[Ramshall1]

Good point. I don't think JMM is scared to fight anyone, it would be a mistake to fight someone,espically one as good as Guzman, who fights a totally different style than the one you've been training for on such short notice.

exactly, Juarez is a "fighter" closer to Barrios style than Guzman. . . Guzman is the calibre of fighter you need a full training camp prepairing just for him . . these clowns pretending like they wouldnt do the same if they were Juans manager are either lying or just plain stupid.

[a.arthur.h]

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Disclaimer: The comment above in no way reflects on my respect for fighters who are willing to go through tough battles like the Marquez - Jaca fight. It does however reflect on my opinions of a fighter who has turned down more than one fight against what some would consider equal competition in favor of a lesser fighter.

[psychopath]

Disclaimer: The comment above in no way reflects on my respect for fighters who are willing to go through tough battles like the Marquez - Jaca fight. It does however reflect on my opinions of a fighter who has turned down more than one fight against what some would consider equal competition in favor of a lesser fighter.


Dam bro you just reminded me . . . he turned down a rematch with Pac and a big fight with Morales. :huh :-( :think

[BobDigi5060]

I hate watching Juarez fight.

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New foe for JM Marquez?
By Karl Freitag and Lee Bates
That's the word for September 15 in Las Vegas. WBC super featherweight champion titleholder Juan Manuel Marquez will now likely face Rocky Juarez in the main event on the big Golden Boy Promotions card at the MGM Grand after originally announced challenger Jorge Barrios apparently failed an eye exam. WBO champion Joan Guzman offered to step in to face Marquez, however according to Guzman's manager Jose Nieves, the Marquez camp turned down that fight. Juarez was already slated to face IBF featherweight champion Robert Guerrero on the same card, so the move would now leave Guerrero without an opponent. Guzman, meanwhile, is eyeing a still unsigned November 17 HBO clash against Humberto Soto in a temporary outdoor arena at the Sycuan Resort in San Diego.

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[knockout]

:verysad Damn! wtf Marquez is a fuckin ducker Rocky Juarez is a damn bum.

[johnco]

i wonder what will be the jmm dick riders and pac haters reaction to this.
:think:think:think:lol::lol::lol:

what else is new.. he ducked pac and fought in indonesia and he got malaria :lol::lol::lol::good:good

[roadrunner]

Face it Manuelita Dynamita is afraid of Joana!

[Ramshall1]

:verysad Damn! wtf Marquez is a fuckin ducker Rocky Juarez is a damn bum.

Juarez a bum . . .he went toe to toe with MAB. . .you sir are an idiot.

[Scar]

That's a terrible move, Guzman is a WAAAAY better opponent than Rocky and the fight would've attracted way more.

[Scar]

Juarez a bum . . .he went toe to toe with MAB. . .you sir are an idiot.

Juarez is definitely no bum and I'm surprised someone called him that. Juarez is a solid opponent but he'll get schooled EASILY, a fight with Guzman is way better and a fight I'll stay up to watch, not interested in Marquez/Juarez at all.

[johnco]

i wonder what will......

1. sweet pea
2. el puma
3. red manure
4. guru
5. allblack=choi
6. beware
7. stinky

will say to this development :lol::lol:
i cant wait for them to protect their chicken bf :hey:hey

[Scar]

exactly, Juarez is a "fighter" closer to Barrios style than Guzman. . . Guzman is the calibre of fighter you need a full training camp prepairing just for him . . these clowns pretending like they wouldnt do the same if they were Juans manager are either lying or just plain stupid.

Excellent point, my bad for not considering that.

[knockout]

Juarez a bum . . .he went toe to toe with MAB. . .you sir are an idiot.Moron listen juan could of picked soto,why Juarez.

[psychopath]

New foe for JM Marquez?
By Karl Freitag and Lee Bates
That's the word for September 15 in Las Vegas. WBC super featherweight champion titleholder Juan Manuel Marquez will now likely face Rocky Juarez in the main event on the big Golden Boy Promotions card at the MGM Grand after originally announced challenger Jorge Barrios apparently failed an eye exam. WBO champion Joan Guzman offered to step in to face Marquez, however according to Guzman's manager Jose Nieves, the Marquez camp turned down that fight. Juarez was already slated to face IBF featherweight champion Robert Guerrero on the same card, so the move would now leave Guerrero without an opponent. Guzman, meanwhile, is eyeing a still unsigned November 17 HBO clash against Humberto Soto in a temporary outdoor arena at the Sycuan Resort in San Diego.

Source: fightnews.com

Hey man . . . thanks for sharing that. :yep

Fucki'n JMM does it again . . . anyway Guzman is slated to fight Soto so that would still be a good interesting fight.

I feel sorry for "The ghost". I hope he can find a replacement opposition.

[Ramshall1]

Moron listen juan could of picked soto,why Juarez.

Is Juarez a bum?

[psychopath]

Is Juarez a bum?


Nah he is not. But he is a limited fighter. The first fight with MAB was a good battle . . . the second fight exposed his tentativity when facing fighters who wouldn't just stand and exchange. He will be easily outboxed and countered by JMM.

. . . bottom line a JMM/Juarez fight is NO MATCH.

[knockout]

Is Juarez a bum?yeah a very good one lost to barrera twice,and he stops throwing and eats punches like a damn bag!

[Scar]

Nah he is not. But he is a limited fighter. The first fight with MAB was a good battle . . . the second fight exposed his tentativity when facing fighters who wouldn't just stand and exchange. He will be easily outboxed and countered by JMM.

. . . bottom line a JMM/Juarez fight is NO MATCH.

Even though I don't blame JMM for refusing Guzman because he needs to prepare 100% for him but after this terrible news I'm not watching this card.

[a.arthur.h]

Is Juarez a bum?
He isn't a bum, but in my opinion he isn't near the quality of Guzman, nor does he have anywhere near the drawing power, or excitement. Nor do I think he deserves a title shot over the likes of Guzman, or that he should get a shot at Marquez before a possible rematch with Chris John, which could have been made a while back instead of Barrios.

Pacquiao
Valero
John
Guzman
Morales

Of call those he ends up picking Barrios, and when that doesn't come off he gets Juarez. If he wants to have a complete training camp in order to take on Guzman, then put off fighting for an extra two months or however long he needs, the money he makes will more than make up for it.

[Scar]

yeah a very good one lost to barrera twice,and he stops throwing and eats punches like a damn bag!

First fight was close and I had Juarez winning, the rematch Barrera fought smart and won. Skillwise this is going to be very easy for JMM and he won't get much credit for the win at all.

[Ramshall1]

yeah a very good one lost to barrera twice,and he stops throwing and eats punches like a damn bag!

A "very good bum"? You keep digging yourself deeper in the IDIOT hole.

[Ramshall1]

He isn't a bum, but in my opinion he isn't the quality of Guzman, nor does he have anywhere near the drawing power, or excitement. Nor do I think he deserves a title shot over the likes of Guzman, or that he should get a shot at Marquez before a possible rematch with Chris John, which could have been made a while back instead of Barrios.

Pacquiao
Valero
John
Guzman
Morales

Of call those he ends up picking Barrios, and when that doesn't come off he gets Juarez. If he wants to have a complete training camp in order to take on Guzman, then put off fighting for an extra two months or however long he needs, the money he makes will more than make up for it.

I dont like it, but Guzman is not a draw.

I agree, he shoulda gone after Guzman, Soto, Pac to begin with . . . I dont have a problem with him fighting Rocky. . . just not on PPV. .. Barrios was not PPV worthy either, but I dont blame JMM for this.

[knockout]

First fight was close and I had Juarez winning, the rematch Barrera fought smart and won. Skillwise this is going to be very easy for JMM and he won't get much credit for the win at all.yeah i know,a fight with Soto would be better.

[knockout]

A "very good bum"? You keep digging yourself deeper in the IDIOT hole.:nut :smoke

[psychopath]

Even though I don't blame JMM for refusing Guzman because he needs to prepare 100% for him but after this terrible news I'm not watching this card.

:D :lol: Me too . . . we already know the results by now.

:good

[Hawks28]

damn that sucks. I have no interest in seeing Marquez put a beating on Juarez. This shouldnt be a PPV anymore, IMO.

[Scar]

damn that sucks. I have no interest in seeing Marquez put a beating on Juarez. This shouldnt be a PPV anymore, IMO.

Definitely not.

[theunderdog]

i am really surprised soto was not mentioned. and i'm happy for soto that jmm didn't pick guzman because if he did, soto will be left on the outside looking in yet again!!!! but, there are a lot more superfeathers who have more of a fight in them than juarez, i respect the dude he's got no chance. but i think juarez is a better opponent than barrios but nowhere close guzman

[a.arthur.h]

I dont like it, but Guzman is not a draw.

I agree, he shoulda gone after Guzman, Soto, Pac to begin with . . . I dont have a problem with him fighting Rocky. . . just not on PPV. .. Barrios was not PPV worthy either, but I dont blame JMM for this.
I think Guzman is a bigger draw than Juarez. Anyone whose seen Juarez since the first Barrera fight won't be motivated to stay up and watch him again. And lots of people saw him when he was on the De La Hoya vs Mayweather undercard..they won't be jumping out of their seats to go watch him again.

Whereas Guzman is undefeated, as useless as that may be today, the casual fan would be more intrigued by that.

27-0 they may not have seen before
27-3 they most likely were bored by when watching Hoya vs Mayweather.

Odds are they pick the first. And in this case it would be the better choice. Not to mention regular boxing fans want the first as well.

[Ramshall1]

damn that sucks. I have no interest in seeing Marquez put a beating on Juarez. This shouldnt be a PPV anymore, IMO.

its shouldnt have been PPV to begin with with Barrios.

[Ramshall1]

I think Guzman is a bigger draw than Juarez. Anyone whose seen Juarez since the first Barrera fight won't be motivated to stay up and watch him again. And lots of people saw him when he was on the De La Hoya vs Mayweather undercard..they won't be jumping out of their seats to go watch him again.

Whereas Guzman is undefeated, as useless as that may be today, the casual fan would be more intrigued by that.

27-0 they may not have seen before
27-3 they most likely were bored by when watching Hoya vs Mayweather.

Odds are they pick the first. And in this case it would be the better choice. Not to mention regular boxing fans want the first as well.

possibly a slightly bigger draw than Juarez, but its not like Guzman is anywhere near the name of JMM, Pac, MAB, EM.

[Ramshall1]

BTW, acting as if Juarez ia a "no hoper" is just plain ignorant. . . he busted up MAB pretty good. . . a "no hoper" DOES NOT BUST UP MAB!.

[Lance_Uppercut]

JMM vs. Juarez is still a good fight.

[shelterr]

If JMM thinks that style-wise fighting Guzman is too big of a change on such short notice, what's his excuse for not fighting Soto? Soto comes right at ya and does not require the change in training camp that Guzman would. Juarez LOST to Soto in '05 and went on to lose two title fights in a row to MAB. This is just as bad as JMM picking Barrios who lost to Guzman!

[knockout]

If JMM thinks that style-wise fighting Guzman is too big of a change on such short notice, what's his excuse for not fighting Soto? Soto comes right at ya and does not require the change in training camp that Guzman would. Juarez LOST to Soto in '05 and went on to lose two title fights in a row to MAB. This is just as bad as JMM picking Barrios who lost to Guzman!thats what im sayin a fight with Soto would be more exciting.It would be kind of like R.Marquez and I.Vasquez.

[41fever]

Not that big a deal IMO, he's been preparing to face a slugger/brawler type. . . to switch to Guzman this late would be a stupid move on his handlers part.
ditto.

[Shpion]

Guzman is a GBP fighter.

That makes it even worse. Rocky Juarez is nothing than a jorneyman.

[a.arthur.h]

possibly a slightly bigger draw than Juarez, but its not like Guzman is anywhere near the name of JMM, Pac, MAB, EM.
No, absolutely not. He isn't near their level in regards to public awareness. But Juarez's stock has dropped since the last Barrera fight. He isn't a stellar boxer, nor is he willing to exchange much (based on his last three fights). Marquez can do both, and do both well, which is why I'm not believing Juarez has any hope to do more than get lucky.

Guzman's stock however has not fallen, it hasn't risen much, but he's done nothing to make people not want to see him.

*shrugs* I just think there are way too many good fights out there that could be made, and could have been made, rather than him fighting Juarez.

[Scar]

If JMM thinks that style-wise fighting Guzman is too big of a change on such short notice, what's his excuse for not fighting Soto? Soto comes right at ya and does not require the change in training camp that Guzman would. Juarez LOST to Soto in '05 and went on to lose two title fights in a row to MAB. This is just as bad as JMM picking Barrios who lost to Guzman!

It already says a lot when Guzman decided to step up without the need to change training camps but JMM refuses.

[boxbox]

hmmmn...does it make any difference if your real good? i mean guzman will have the same amount of time to train for this, and if ever he was, he was training for a katsidis type of fighter..also not similar to JMM...JMM can beat him tho.

[a.arthur.h]

It already says a lot when Guzman decided to step up without the need to change training camps but JMM refuses.

Thats true. Seems like for all the fuss about Marquez never getting recognition, or the big money fights, he seems reluctant to take on those that would be massive money and legacy building fights. Like a rematch with Pacquiao.

[Toopretty]

Now that is cherry picking. Fighting a guy that got beat by the guy you just beat. Then that same guy looked like total horse shit on the undercard of ODH/Mayweather fighting the guy that knocked out Litzau. Golden boy is becoming a joke. They put all these other good fights together and now they are waisting time with Marquez. He dont have much time left.

[myk]

Who is more avoided, Guzman or Soto?

[a.arthur.h]

Now that is cherry picking. Fighting a guy that got beat by the guy you just beat. Then that same guy looked like total horse shit on the undercard of ODH/Mayweather fighting the guy that knocked out Litzau. Golden boy is becoming a joke. They put all these other good fights together and now they are waisting time with Marquez. He dont have much time left.
That is another thing. If he wants to get his name out there and make the big bucks, then he is running short on time in which to do it. Not to mention if Juarez actually BEATS him somehow...that would fuck him up bad.

Though he isn't really that worn down like Barrera is. While Barrera went from slugger to boxer, with the Jaca fight Marquez seems to have gone Boxer to slugger somewhat. He may still be viable for a few more years considering his body hasn't taken the beatings fighters like Barrera has, but he is still pushing it.

[brooklyn1550]

Bad news...I would love to have seen Marquez-Guzman

[Boom_Boom]

Would someone please tell Nacho, because of him JMM isnt prolly going into the HoF.

[PATSYS]

I would prefer if JMM fights Jorge Solis than Juarez.

At least we do not know yet what Solis is capable of doing. He sure looked to be a very competitive fighter at 130 against Pac. Juarez is just a no hoper against JMM. He is short and with B-level skills.

Safe choice of opponent for JMM's camp. :good

:patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch

[Chert]

so, what else is new? after all, it's jmm we're talking about here so i'm not surprised at all...:-( :patsch

[digiram]

Here we go again with JMM's management fucking up!!!!

This shit is getting old.

How about Soto even. That would be a better match.

[boxbox]

Who is more avoided, Guzman or Soto?

no one is...just that businesswise, its risky:good

[Morrissey]

i am really surprised soto was not mentioned. and i'm happy for soto that jmm didn't pick guzman because if he did, soto will be left on the outside looking in yet again!!!! but, there are a lot more superfeathers who have more of a fight in them than juarez, i respect the dude he's got no chance. but i think juarez is a better opponent than barrios but nowhere close guzman

I would give BArrios a better chance to beat JMM than Rocky.
With Barrios, you have a tough guy who will come after you, and won't just hide in his shell like Rocky did versus MAB.

Now, JMM avoiding a championship fight with Guzman just disappoints me big time. I know they probably respect him that much as a boxer that they think they need a full training camp, but this is a great opportunity to showcase his skills once more against a heralded fighter
and further boost his rematch deal with Pac.

[myk]

no one is...just that businesswise, its risky:good


Oh well, I just hope there will be no rematch after this is done. :roll:

[Morrissey]

BTW, acting as if Juarez ia a "no hoper" is just plain ignorant. . . he busted up MAB pretty good. . . a "no hoper" DOES NOT BUST UP MAB!.

It has been proven: Juarez is a gatekeeper. That's all he is. Against an elite fighter past his peak, what did he do? He froze! With his power, with his youth, he could have attacked MAB all night long, but he just went there, contented to be jabbed by MAB.

If I were his manager, I would have been frustrated by now.

Believe me, he won't win any belt in 130.

[boxbox]

Oh well, I just hope there will be no rematch after this is done. :roll:


true...2007's been a good year for us, i hope 2008 follow suits

[jimmie]

This is stupid Marquez beats Barrera but now fight the guy Barrera beat TWICE last year.

[Bazooka]

What a crock of shit, joke of a fight joke of two fighters and DLH is selling this shit on PPV

[Brickhaus]

Guzman the most feared boxer in the world, Marquez is ducking him, PAc is ducking him,
Barrera is ducking him and Morales is rather retiring than willing to fight him.:smoke

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Most feared? No. Worst talent to name recognition ratio? Might be in the top 10. People don't fight him because he brings little to nothing to the table. He doesn't have a name, he's not exciting, he doesn't even come from a country that can earn the fight extra revenue, and when he's in the fight over 122, it's pretty much guaranteed to go the distance. Someday Guzman will face a puncher with skills, and he'll be exposed for having very little heart.

Still, Guzman would have been a better fight than Juarez. Hell, John or Valero also would have been better, not that Valero would have been licensed. At least if he fought John, he could have avenged the loss. I don't think JMM was robbed, but John wouldn't stand a chance with American judges, who like harder punching in favor of crisp, accurate punching.

[reed_man02]

WTF! Is he ducking Guzman? Afraid that he may go to the way like his brother? I can't believe this. Juarez is a mediocre fighter. :patsch

where were you faggot when pac was ducking jmm, valero, soto, and guzman to fight solis, and larios? fucking pussy.:yep

[divac]

It's all business nowadays, Jmm might be thinking that Guzman is a high risk low reward opponent.

Thank you!

Guzman is the type of opponent you take on if there is a significant financial reward in return.

Use your heads people, if you're managing JMM, what would you do???

I certainly would'nt match JMM (who is up there in age now with Guzman)
If I'm managing JMM, I'm looking to get him in safely into a fight with Manny Pacquiao. Thats the big money fight.

As a manager, if I'm too pick an opponent for JMM between Guzman and Rocky Juarez, and the money purse is the same, then its a no brainer.
Taking on Rocky Juarez is a sound business move JMM's teams part.

Unless somebody can tell me that JMM is taking a significant amount less to fight Juarez instead of Guzman, then you guys dont have a leg to stand on to criticize him.





Once again kids, the goal is to get your fighter to a fight with Manny Pac.....
.....to do that, you try and match your fighter in the meantime with a fighter that will give you the most money and at the same time pose the least risk.

Unless Guzman is JMM's mandatory, he should'nt be criticised for sidestepping a fighter that is high risk/low reward!

[the_what]

Im not buying this then. I would have payed for the Barrios fight. Not for Juarez. Should be an easy victory for JMM. I can at least thank GBP for saving me 50 dollars.

And this fight doesnt help JMM's legacy at all. He could have built on the MAB win but like always, he is pissing away his career.

[theunderdog]

where were you faggot when pac was ducking jmm, valero, soto, and guzman to fight solis, and larios? fucking pussy.:yep

pac ducked all these fighters? you serious? jmm-pac 2 didn't happen because of the purse. and note that jmm took a fight in indonesia for 25grand. i didn't say jmm ducked pac either. i just say it didn't materialize.

valero was a long shot from the start. fighting in macau is not the same as fighting in the US, this was also high risk very low reward for pac. soto and guzman didn't happen because the mab fight came along.

if you say that jmm is not ducking guzman and is just doing what is good for him, then you also can't say that pac ducked all the fighters you said he ducked.

anyway, i agree that the poster whom you replied to was totally ignorant but your reply to his ignorant post is not so smart either.

i think juarez will be more of a threat than barrios. and poor humberto soto will be left out in the cold again if jmm picked guzman. it's all good. them pacfans want to see a jmm-guzman match to eliminate one of the fighters who can pose a threat to pac. i like soto but after bobbypac staggered him, i have no doubt that bigbrotherpac will knock him out.
and pacfans hate jmm because he got a draw with pac.that's why they're calling it a duck. because if you look at it, what pac did and what jmm did to guzman were basically the same thing

[divac]

Im not buying this then. I would have payed for the Barrios fight. Not for Juarez. Should be an easy victory for JMM. I can at least thank GBP for saving me 50 dollars.

And this fight doesnt help JMM's legacy at all. He could have built on the MAB win but like always, he is pissing away his career.

Who here thinks Juarez is a tougher fighter to beat than Barrios?

I certainly do.

In Barrios, you had a strong but painfully slow fighter who stalks like he's walking on mud. Made to order for a figher of JMM's caliber.

.....at the very least, Juarez throws short compact punches on the inside....Barrios does'nt even do that, all his punches come wide!
Marquez would have made him look like a complete novice.


Juarez has only lost to the best......he was actually robbed in the first MAB fight, then could'nt solve MAB when MAB refused to fight him and got on his bicycle.
I guarantee you JMM will not run a trackmeet to beat Rocky Juarez, which should at the very least make it interesting and exciting.

Juarez' only other loss was a close decision to Humberto Soto.

.....so I dont see where anybody can come to the conclusion that Rocky is'nt a formidable opponent for Marquez to take on.

[theunderdog]

Who here thinks Juarez is a tougher fighter to beat than Barrios?

I certainly do.

In Barrios, you had a strong but painfully slow fighter who stalks like he's walking on mud. Made to order for a figher of JMM's caliber.

.....at the very least, Juarez throws short compact punches on the inside....Barrios does'nt even do that, all his punches come wide!
Marquez would have made him look like a complete novice.


Juarez has only lost to the best......he was actually robbed in the first MAB fight, then could'nt solve MAB when MAB refused to fight him and got on his bicycle.
I guarantee you JMM will not run a trackmeet to beat Rocky Juarez, which should at the very least make it interesting and exciting.

Juarez' only other loss was a close decision to Humberto Soto.

.....so I dont see where anybody can come to the conclusion that Rocky is'nt a formidable opponent for Marquez to take on.

i do too as i have said in my post before this. people should start to look at it as jmm upgrading his opponent. i mean, he could have easily chose paper chump mzonke fana for a unification. the glass is half full, not half empty

[boxbox]

i think they're ruling out juarez because he lost to MAB 2x and JMM beat MAB, while guzman has yet to join these round robins.

[the_what]

MAB easily outboxed Juarez. And JMM is a much better boxer. So I can only see this fight going one way. While Barrios on the other, is a much better puncher (both hands not just a left hook), better inside fighter, more experienced, and the more mentally tough fighter. Barrios will not get discouraged by JMM after 3 rounds. While I see Juarez giving up after 3 rounds with JMM if he cannot get anything done.

[reed_man02]

pac ducked all these fighters? you serious? jmm-pac 2 didn't happen because of the purse. and note that jmm took a fight in indonesia for 25grand. i didn't say jmm ducked pac either. i just say it didn't materialize.

valero was a long shot from the start. fighting in macau is not the same as fighting in the US, this was also high risk very low reward for pac. soto and guzman didn't happen because the mab fight came along.

if you say that jmm is not ducking guzman and is just doing what is good for him, then you also can't say that pac ducked all the fighters you said he ducked.

anyway, i agree that the poster whom you replied to was totally ignorant but your reply to his ignorant post is not so smart either.

i think juarez will be more of a threat than barrios. and poor humberto soto will be left out in the cold again if jmm picked guzman. it's all good. them pacfans want to see a jmm-guzman match to eliminate one of the fighters who can pose a threat to pac. i like soto but after bobbypac staggered him, i have no doubt that bigbrotherpac will knock him out.
and pacfans hate jmm because he got a draw with pac.that's why they're calling it a duck. because if you look at it, what pac did and what jmm did to guzman were basically the same thing

dont get me wrong, i agree with you and divac. i was just pointed that out to that idiot dumbgo because he loves to hate on mexican fighters any chance he gets. i basically agree with everything you said, even what you said about my reply.:good

[divac]

dont get me wrong, i agree with you and divac. i was just pointed that out to that idiot dumbgo because he loves to hate on mexican fighters any chance he gets. i basically agree with everything you said, even what you said about my reply.:good

I find domngo to be a good guy at heart.....the pour soul is blinded by the fact that he's Filipino with blinders on that can only see Pacquiao!
:lol: :lol: :lol: God bless the Filipino's, they should enjoy Pac while he's on top.
Hopefully though, guys like domngo who are soley Pac loyalist will take a liking to the sport by hanging around forums like these, and learn a thing or two about boxing in the process!


Domngo my pal, how are you???:hi:

[SugarShane_24]

Although I am saddened that Guzman didn't make the cut, Juarez, as beatable as he looks, is still a very intriguing match-up.


He is flat-footed and a bit on the slow side, yet he has enough power to keep things interesting.

If JMM engages in a firefight like he did MAB, Juarez has a shot. Being a fan and selfish, I just hope he does.

[Boom_Boom]

Once again kids, the goal is to get your fighter to a fight with Manny Pac.....


JMM had 2 years to pursue the Pac fight but never took it
and Juarez being a more formidable opponent then Barrios is shit, Barrios is a much bigger man and has accomplished more than Juarez.

The fight is garbage and with Guerro/Juarez off so is the card.

Anyone who buys this PPV is a damn crack head.

[theunderdog]

dont get me wrong, i agree with you and divac. i was just pointed that out to that idiot dumbgo because he loves to hate on mexican fighters any chance he gets. i basically agree with everything you said, even what you said about my reply.:good

it's all good. at least we agreed.:good i don't think domngo hates mexicans. he just loves pac very much. he doesn't like jmm because of the draw, he loves morales because he raised pac's hand after pac defeated him and made a beer commercial with manny, he doesn't like mab much because he had an excuse for losing and didn't admit that pac had superhuman speed, power and stamina:lol:

[Bangis]

this is sad news.... i was hoping the winner of PAC - MAB 2 will get the winner of JMM - Guzman!

[Galaxy]

This is gonna be a boxing exhibition by JMM, Juarez is to slow and plodding and unlike Barrios doest throw enough punches to pose a threat to JMM. should have gone with Guzman. Guzman has a huge Dominican following and being a NY fighter has a good following in the east.

[theunderdog]

this is sad news.... i was hoping the winner of PAC - MAB 2 will get the winner of JMM - Guzman!

seriously? when were you hoping this? i mean, all of us thought that jmm was fighting barrios until today. since when were you hoping that jmm would fight guzman?

[divac]

seriously? when were you hoping this? i mean, all of us thought that jmm was fighting barrios until today. since when were you hoping that jmm would fight guzman?


.....and the thing is that it's reported that JMM's team rejected Guzman, and no report as to why????
.....making it seem that JMM is afraid to fight Guzman.

We have no idea how the offer was presented.
Most likely it was presented as just a replacement fight for Barrios with the financial side of it remaining the same.

I'm sorry folks, but if I'm fighting Guzman, I'm going to demand a significant amount more.

.....add to that, who rejected Guzman and under what terms?
Under the new agreement for rights to Pac by Bob Arum and GBP, there would have to be a co-promotion between the two sides if they're fighting fighters that are promoted by each promotional team.
.....meaning GBP would have to share the profits with Bob Arum for a fight with Guzman.
Last I heard, Rocky Juarez is promoted by GBP, which means all the profits stay inhouse with GBP.
A fight with Guzman and the profits by the promoters would have to be split.
It may well be that it's GBP is who turned down Guzman, why share the PPV profits with Bob Arum for a fight with Guzman, when GBP has a viable opponent in house where they get to keep all the money!

[freddy-wak]

Not that big a deal IMO, he's been preparing to face a slugger/brawler type. . . to switch to Guzman this late would be a stupid move on his handlers part.

exactly...
and guzman is a badass but he beat a fatass barrios..juarez can atleast say he beat barrera once....

[IntentionalButt]

Barrios, Guzman, Juarez, Valero, Soto, whatever. My first choices were Pac II or MAB II. Anything else is a consolation prize.

[reed_man02]

it's all good. at least we agreed.:good i don't think domngo hates mexicans. he just loves pac very much. he doesn't like jmm because of the draw, he loves morales because he raised pac's hand after pac defeated him and made a beer commercial with manny, he doesn't like mab much because he had an excuse for losing and didn't admit that pac had superhuman speed, power and stamina:lol:

well on this we dont agree. especially after dumbgo made a thread clowning morales after his third fight with pacman. what was classless was he should a picture of morales in a stretcher after the fight and he somehow thought that was funny.:-(

[bumdujour]

i have stopped taking marquez seriously after the john fight.

[IntentionalButt]

i have stopped taking marquez seriously after the john fight.

oh dear

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

If this is true, FACT is that the Marquez camp REFUSED to fight Joan Guzman and instead will offer a shot to the undeserving Rocky Juarez, who already has had TWO unsuccessful chances at the WBC belt. Now he's gonna get a third??? Marquez is gonna walk right through him 12 rounds to 0 in a very, VERY boring decision.

Again if true, Marquez just BLATANTLY DUCKED Guzman FOR THE RECORD. Also, Sulaiman once again getting a free pass to be above the rules without anybody saying shit from the media. Disgusting.

[freddy-wak]

and believe it or not, juarez is more recognized than guzman....

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

Maybe more recognized in terms of the public knowing who he is, but as far as Marquez proving he's P4P and wants to fight the best? 10 out of 10 people who know boxing will tell you Guzman is the better fight for someone who claims to be the "real champ at 130." Then unify!

[Ramshall1]

only an IDIOT manager/promoter would let his top fighter face Guzman without a full training camp preparing for him.

This fight JMM-Juarez has no business on PPV though, and neither did JMM-Barrios.

[psychopath]

only an IDIOT manager/promoter would let his top fighter face Guzman without a full training camp preparing for him.

This fight JMM-Juarez has no business on PPV though, and neither did JMM-Barrios.

I see that as shallow excuse buddy. JMM has been training since two months ago for his fight with Barrios. It's Only August 8 and that's a good more than 30 days before Sept 15 to shift and change strategy for Guzman. :yep

It's hard for fans of the sport to believe any justification from JMM camp at this point since JMM already refused two big fights before (a 700 K offer to rematch Pac and a $ 1.2 Mil offer to fight Morales . . . instead he opted to fight Cris John for 35 K) :D

[HECDAWG]

Guzman is the biggest threat to Pac in the division. After he beats Soto who is a good fighter hopefully he wil get his shot at Pac and not old mexicans.

[Ramshall1]

I see that as shallow excuse buddy. JMM has been training since two months ago for his fight with Barrios. It's Only August 8 and that's a good more than 30 days before Sept 15 to shift and change strategy for Guzman. :yep

It's hard for fans of the sport to believe any justification from JMM camp at this point since JMM already refused two big fights before (a 700 K offer to rematch Pac and a $ 1.2 Mil offer to fight Morales . . . instead he opted to fight Cris John for 35 K) :D

can you honestly say if you were his manager you would have hom switch in mid-training camp from preparing for a brawler to preparing for Guzman? If so then I hope you never become a manager cause youd wreck some careers.

I do agree that declining the Pac rematch was a bonehead move on Nacho's part. . . just beyond dumb. But this move makes sense.

[Alo2006]

he knows guzman would beat his ass...typical cherry picking by marquez.

Even though Marquez is my boy, you might be right in this case. Only because he's probably picking an easy fight to win, so he can fight Pac, assuming he's going to beat MAB. What yall think about that theory?

[Franchise_411]

I'm not going to come out and say that Marquez is ducking Guzman ... If all things go as expected GBP and Top Rank are setting up for a Marquez-Pacquiao rematch because that would be the next big money fight after Barrera (assuming Marquez and Pacquiao beat Juarez and Barrera respectively) ... Guzman whopped Barrios in their fight, which is probably why Marquez didn't want to risk losing a possible upcoming shot at Pacquiao.

[Spitfire7]

I just knew it. JMM is just an overrated cherry-picking ****.:bart

:smooch

[IntentionalButt]

I just knew it. JMM is just an overrated cherry-picking ****.:bart

:smooch

He's a what now?

[etong_08]

So, is it safe to say that Joan Guzman is now the most feared fighter in the superfeatherweight division? :D

[theunderdog]

So, is it safe to say that Joan Guzman is now the most feared fighter in the superfeatherweight division? :D

nope. humberto soto does not seem to have qualms about facing him.

[IntentionalButt]

So, is it safe to say that Joan Guzman is now the most feared fighter in the superfeatherweight division? :D

No way. The top guys are all clearly ducking Litzau.

[IntentionalButt]

Pac will take on Guzman anytime to prove that he's ducking no one not even quintessential gay Marquez. Line them up! :goodMeanwhile, Pac will harvest some money on Barrera's ass.

Pacquiao has bedwetting nightmares about that quintessential gay. :good

[psychopath]

No way. The top guys are all clearly ducking Litzau.

Damn Bro that's funny shit :lol: . . . Litzau maybe a good fighter, problem is . . . he's not even in the top ten of all the ABC governing bodies of boxing. The highest he's got is no 15 in the WBA list. :yep

So that's not ducking . . . the sad truth is he doesn't deserve the big names yet. :D

[theunderdog]

Damn Bro that's funny shit :lol: . . . Litzau maybe a good fighter, problem is . . . he's not even in the top ten of all the ABC governing bodies of boxing. The highest he's got is no 15 in the WBA list. :yep

So that's not ducking . . . the sad truth is he doesn't deserve the big names yet. :D

i think he was being sarcastic psychodude

[psychopath]

i think he was being sarcastic psychodude


More likely :lol: :lol: :lol: . . . it just doesn't make sense to say that fighters in the top is ducking a guy who is not inside the top ten rankings.

:D :good

[theunderdog]

More likely :lol: :lol: :lol: . . . it just doesn't make sense to say that fighters in the top is ducking a guy who is not inside the top ten rankings.

:D :good

i was supposed to say mzonke fana was the most avoided fighter at 130 said litzau and i thought it was comedic enough:lol:

[Morrissey]

Is Guzman the most avoide fighter today?

I think so.