Revisiting Jackson vs. Griffin

[rekcutnevets]

I finally got to watch the entire Jackson vs. Griffin fight in its entirety last night.

The way I scored it:

Round One 10-9 Jackson
Round Two 10-8 Griffin
Round Three 10-9 Jackson
Round Four 10-9 Jackson
Found Five 10-9 Griffin

47-47

[berserkafied]

I finally got to watch the entire Jackson vs. Griffin fight in its entirety last night.

The way I scored it:

Round One 10-9 Jackson
Round Two 10-8 Griffin
Round Three 10-9 Jackson
Round Four 10-9 Jackson
Found Five 10-9 Griffin

47-47

That's pretty much how i scored it too. Although a couple of rounds were close and could have gone either way IMO.

[Stoo]

I gave round four to Griffin, but it was closer than a 7o year old porn stars nippels in a wonder bra

[BewareofDawg]

I thought Round 4 was a clear Rampage round. Griffin got badly out-struck standing. So what if he locked in a triangle...Rampage got out of it pretty damn quick. and remained in dominant position.

Round 5 was clear Griffin.

Round 1 clear Rampage.

Round 2 clear Griffin by 2 points.

So it really depends on how you scored round 3.


Note:
I think a rematch will go Rampage's way without a doubt. I think he'll make the necessary adjustment and defend the leg kicks this time. You can see how much those leg kicks hurt him. In the 5th round there were a couple of times where he went to move and his body just stopped because his leg was in such bad shape. Forrest's work done to the legs early, won him the 5th round and the fight.

[Stoo]

ok havent watched it in a while, maybe Im confusing round 3 with 4.
But Im not gonna argue too hard if you gave the round to Rampage, it was close man, but Forest edged it for me

[jimmie]

I had Forrest winning rounds 2,4,5 I dont recall making round 2 10-8 although you could have. Aside from that 1 punch Rampage landed in round 1 Forrest dominated that round with ease. You take away that 1 punch IMO its not even really that close of a fight. Forrest did much more he had a higher workrate,picked him apart with leg kicks,beat him up with knees inside the clinch,got him down GNPed and mounted him,got in a deep triangle.

[boxingcar]

i remember giving Griffin a slight advantage...I rember seeing jackson landing some pretty good shots but griffin was in the end..more active , he was doing most of the offensive attacks..

[sugarngold]

I gave Griffin round 4 as well. That was the swing round. In the final round - he just outworked Jackson down the stretch.

[Beebs]

I had Forrest winning rounds 2,4,5 I dont recall making round 2 10-8 although you could have. Aside from that 1 punch Rampage landed in round 1 Forrest dominated that round with ease. You take away that 1 punch IMO its not even really that close of a fight. Forrest did much more he had a higher workrate,picked him apart with leg kicks,beat him up with knees inside the clinch,got him down GNPed and mounted him,got in a deep triangle.

Thats pretty much how I saw it.

The reason it felt so close was because you knew Rampage was so dangerous, and he proved it in the first round, but it was more the anticipation of damage than actual scoring blows that made it seem close.

[jimmie]

Thats pretty much how I saw it.

The reason it felt so close was because you knew Rampage was so dangerous, and he proved it in the first round, but it was more the anticipation of damage than actual scoring blows that made it seem close.

I agree with you and to be honest your one of the few guys opinions I give a shit about people your very knowledagble I feel like if we agree that I must be right :yep

[québecwarrior]

I agree with you and to be honest your one of the few guys opinions I give a shit about people your very knowledagble I feel like if we agree that I must be right :yep
you must have me in that category with my temperament when someone is attacking GSP or Cote:D

[jimmie]

you must have me in that category with my temperament when someone is attacking GSP or Cote:D

Id rather not talk about your love for GSP or Cote its kinda creepy :good

[québecwarrior]

if Lesnar TKO badly Couture in round 1, you are gonna feel what i've feeled when GSP got Serra'd

[jimmie]

if Lesnar TKO badly Couture in round 1, you are gonna feel what i've feeled when GSP got Serra'd

Well not really man like ive been a Randy fan since 5 or so years ago ive already delt with the 2 brutal Liddell losses so I can handle it. Ive grown up alittle ive dealt with my guys losing alittle better these days. Im worse off when one of my teamates loses. When I had my only MMA bout so far I wasnt worried and when I lost I was upset but saved it all for the drive home to reflect cause a few fights after mine was one of my best freinds and I was shaking for his fight and was very upset to watch him lose. Now I got teamates im alittle more emotionally attatched to these guys although im not exactly happy when the fighters I dont know that I love ala RJJ,Couture,Franklin,Mosley,MAB loses.

[québecwarrior]

Well not really man like ive been a Randy fan since 5 or so years ago ive already delt with the 2 brutal Liddell losses so I can handle it. Ive grown up alittle ive dealt with my guys losing alittle better these days. Im worse off when one of my teamates loses. When I had my only MMA bout so far I wasnt worried and when I lost I was upset but saved it all for the drive home to reflect cause a few fights after mine was one of my best freinds and I was shaking for his fight and was very upset to watch him lose. Now I got teamates im alittle more emotionally attatched to these guys although im not exactly happy when the fighters I dont know that I love ala RJJ,Couture,Franklin,Mosley,MAB loses.
good thing to hear..
GSP is clearly an idol for me, he brought me to the sport, he is representing Quebec so nicely. The guys is my hero, i'm praticing MT because of him, i'm a black belt in Kyokushin Karate, just like him. He had it rough in youth unlike me. His first loss to Hughes, was acceptable, a rookie mistake, and he was young..But the Serra loss, was very disturbing, for one week I was in bad humour. Fuck i've watched all his fight, interview, read all about him. If one day, i've the opportunity to compete high level, that's gonna be because of him.
I know it can sound childish when i'm protecting him but hey its a forum, you all know me, we have a cool group here, its nice.

[rekcutnevets]

Originally posted by jimmie
Well not really man like ive been a Randy fan since 5 or so years ago ive already delt with the 2 brutal Liddell losses so I can handle it. Ive grown up alittle ive dealt with my guys losing alittle better these days. Im worse off when one of my teamates loses. When I had my only MMA bout so far I wasnt worried and when I lost I was upset but saved it all for the drive home to reflect cause a few fights after mine was one of my best freinds and I was shaking for his fight and was very upset to watch him lose. Now I got teamates im alittle more emotionally attatched to these guys although im not exactly happy when the fighters I dont know that I love ala RJJ,Couture,Franklin,Mosley,MAB loses.
I wish I could make someone wear that as an avatar, when they lose a bet.




Just kidding, I couldn't resist.

[Boyd]

good thing to hear..
GSP is clearly an idol for me, he brought me to the sport, he is representing Quebec so nicely. The guys is my hero, i'm praticing MT because of him, i'm a black belt in Kyokushin Karate, just like him. He had it rough in youth unlike me. His first loss to Hughes, was acceptable, a rookie mistake, and he was young..But the Serra loss, was very disturbing, for one week I was in bad humour. Fuck i've watched all his fight, interview, read all about him. If one day, i've the opportunity to compete high level, that's gonna be because of him.
I know it can sound childish when i'm protecting him but hey its a forum, you all know me, we have a cool group here, its nice.GSP is a fine pick for a sports idol. he is truly a amazing athlete as well as being humble, well spoken and kind. he is pure class(except for the little hughes thing:yep ) and should be looked up to by everyone IMO.

[québecwarrior]

which Hughes thing?
GSP always tried to be kind with him and respectful, but Hughes was always a jackass to GSP. He clearly showed it in the 4th season of The Ultimate Fighter.
He must regret it that he said : You want that I teach you the defence of the armbar:lol:
Karma is a bitch

[BewareofDawg]

which Hughes thing?
GSP always tried to be kind with him and respectful, but Hughes was always a jackass to GSP. He clearly showed it in the 4th season of The Ultimate Fighter.
He must regret it that he said : You want that I teach you the defence of the armbar:lol:
Karma is a bitch
He's referring to the "I'm not impressed by your performance" thing :lol:

Which in itself was soo out of character for GSP. I'm sure the UFC told him to go in there and hype the fight, he got the mic and said the first thing that came to mind. He then went back to Hughes's dressing room to apologize to him. Hughes was then an dick and made fun of him for apologizing, said he was like a "10 yr old coming to apologize" --- GSP then proceeded to ruin Matt Hughes's career and embarrass him and beat his ass at his own game :yep

[Boyd]

He's referring to the "I'm not impressed by your performance" thing :lol:

Which in itself was soo out of character for GSP. I'm sure the UFC told him to go in there and hype the fight, he got the mic and said the first thing that came to mind. He then went back to Hughes's dressing room to apologize to him. Hughes was then an dick and made fun of him for apologizing, said he was like a "10 yr old coming to apologize" --- GSP then proceeded to ruin Matt Hughes's career and embarrass him and beat his ass at his own game :yepexcatly. i thought it was awesome when he got in the cage and said that to hughes. GSP is so funny trying to talk shit. i just meant it was the only time he was like that.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Rampage won that fight, Griffin was given the decision because Rampage is a global MMA star, Dana white wanted to promote the UF and UF stars so hes got another big name at the UFC brand.

[jimmie]

Rampage won that fight, Griffin was given the decision because Rampage is a global MMA star, Dana white wanted to promote the UF and UF stars so hes got another big name at the UFC brand.

Dont come in here with dumb crap like that. If you think Rampage won then break it down what did he do better ? Scores ?

[Beebs]

Rampage won that fight, Griffin was given the decision because Rampage is a global MMA star, Dana white wanted to promote the UF and UF stars so hes got another big name at the UFC brand.

Dana has nothing to do with who wins the fights, the state of Nevada decided who won that fight.

[jimmie]

Dana has nothing to do with who wins the fights, the state of Nevada decided who won that fight.

Thank you I love how everyone thinks Dana and the UFC are corrupt and trying to fix everything no this isnt Don King and Bob Arum or Gary Shaw.

[MaliSlamusrex]

i scored the fight 3-2 to Rampage the only thing i remember Griffin doing was that leg kick, i remember my friend saying the fight will go to Griffin because Dana White wants to promote their own fighters, all of the UFC's best fighters have come from Pride the UFC doesnt have too much of its own talent.....so the company is trying to promote UF fighters.

next thing Dana White came into the ring with a stupid grin on his face.... and gave the belt to Griffin...

[jimmie]

i scored the fight 3-2 to Rampage the only thing i remember Griffin doing was that leg kick, i remember my friend saying the fight will go to Griffin because Dana White wants to promote their own fighters, all of the UFC's best fighters have come from Pride the UFC doesnt have too much of its own talent.....so the company is trying to promote UF fighters.

next thing Dana White came into the ring with a stupid grin on his face.... and gave the belt to Griffin...

Your freind knows nothing. Who exactly are the UFCs best fighters from Pride you got a few guys Nogueira,Wanderlei UFC fighter before Pride,Rampage,Anderson Silva and not much else. Rashad,GSP,Penn,Hughes,Alves,Sherk,Couture,Liddell,Franklin,Henderson was UFC before Pride ETC.

[Beebs]

i scored the fight 3-2 to Rampage the only thing i remember Griffin doing was that leg kick, i remember my friend saying the fight will go to Griffin because Dana White wants to promote their own fighters, all of the UFC's best fighters have come from Pride the UFC doesnt have too much of its own talent.....so the company is trying to promote UF fighters.

next thing Dana White came into the ring with a stupid grin on his face.... and gave the belt to Griffin...

You're an idiot, Dana white does not chose who wins fights, how many fucking times does that have to be explained to you?

Not to mention Dana didn't exactly hate having Rampage as the champ, he is an incredibly popular fighter, and brings in the young black male demographic.

The UFC gave Rampage a ton of media exposure, put him on interviews on tv, radio, really pushed his publicity hard.

BJ Penn - not from pride
GSP - not from pride
Anderson Silva - left pride 4 years ago, fought for Cage Rage and Rumble on the Rock
Forrest, Rashad, Machida, Thiago Silva - not from Pride
Couture - not from Pride

[MaliSlamusrex]

Rashad a UF competitor will get promoted more than any other fighter.
Henderson and Lidell are ex pride, so is Shogun, cro cop, etc

your missing the point, the UFC does promote marketable fighter over talent, Coture is the perfect example, the UFc make him out to be the greatest ever heavyweight, now they are promoting Lesner, neither gihters are as good as Nougiera but they are what sells. people know the UF champions and the UFC promotes them, and to get back to the UFC fighters you mentioned

Sherk is finished
frankiln, Alves is good
GSP and Penn are awsome.

it makes sense for the company to promote new talent, but i think this cost rampage his title.


Your freind knows nothing. Who exactly are the UFCs best fighters from Pride you got a few guys Nogueira,Wanderlei UFC fighter before Pride,Rampage,Anderson Silva and not much else. Rashad,GSP,Penn,Hughes,Alves,Sherk,Couture,Liddell,Franklin,Henderson was UFC before Pride ETC.

[Beebs]

Rashad a UF competitor will get promoted more than any other fighter.
Henderson and Lidell are ex pride, so is Shogun, cro cop, etc

your missing the point, the UFC does promote marketable fighter over talent, Coture is the perfect example, the UFc make him out to be the greatest ever heavyweight, now they are promoting Lesner, neither gihters are as good as Nougiera but they are what sells. people know the UF champions and the UFC promotes them, and to get back to the UFC fighters you mentioned

Sherk is finished
frankiln, Alves is good
GSP and Penn are awsome.

it makes sense for the company to promote new talent, but i think this cost rampage his title.
You might just be the dumbest motherfucker on this board.

Sherk is finished?
Is that why he just beat one of the best up and coming Lightweights in the world?

You are a fucking moron. First you say Angle is better on the ground than Nog, then you say Sherk is finished, what dumb fucking thing will you rattle off next?

Liddell is ex Pride? Because he fought 3 fights there as a UFC representative? You are dangerously stupid.

[jimmie]

You're an idiot, Dana white does not chose who wins fights, how many fucking times does that have to be explained to you?

Not to mention Dana didn't exactly hate having Rampage as the champ, he is an incredibly popular fighter, and brings in the young black male demographic.

The UFC gave Rampage a ton of media exposure, put him on interviews on tv, radio, really pushed his publicity hard.

BJ Penn - not from pride
GSP - not from pride
Anderson Silva - left pride 4 years ago, fought for Cage Rage and Rumble on the Rock
Forrest, Rashad, Machida, Thiago Silva - not from Pride
Couture - not from Pride

This guy is a complete and total moron I hope he isnt the guy training in his avatar because if so I really feel for his coaches that there student has learned nothing whatsoever.

[jimmie]

You might just be the dumbest motherfucker on this board.

Sherk is finished?
Is that why he just beat one of the best up and coming Lightweights in the world?

You are a fucking moron. First you say Angle is better on the ground than Nog, then you say Sherk is finished, what dumb fucking thing will you rattle off next?

Liddell is ex Pride? Because he fought 3 fights there as a UFC representative? You are dangerously stupid.

Yeah Sherk just clearly beat one of the top rising Lightweight contenders in the entire World. Hes boxing has improved drastically so how the fuck is he finished ? Hes better then ever. Beebs that guy is so dumb its just sad.

[MaliSlamusrex]

Angle is better than Nog in transitions on the floor, Nog will be better in finishing fights because wrestlers dont use chokes and holds against the joints, and i have never seen angle take a punch.

and yes i did say Sherk is finished.

You might just be the dumbest motherfucker on this board.

Sherk is finished?
Is that why he just beat one of the best up and coming Lightweights in the world?

You are a fucking moron. First you say Angle is better on the ground than Nog, then you say Sherk is finished, what dumb fucking thing will you rattle off next?

[jimmie]

Angle is better than Nog in transitions on the floor, Nog will be better in finishing fights because wrestlers dont use chokes and holds against the joints, and i have never seen angle take a punch.

and yes i did say Sherk is finished.

Has Angle had an MMA fight ? How do you know what he do there ? He has probablly never trained a day in Jiu-Jitsu as he has spent the last 10 years on the road traveling from state to state everynight,getting addicted to painkillers and has had 3 neck surgerys not to mention hes 40. Kurt Angle trying MMA at this point was be sucide. Humor me bro what is so finished about Sean Sherk aside from the BJ Penn lost hes had the majority of his best performences and wins in the last 3 years ala Nick Diaz,Hermes Franca,Tyson Griffin,Kenny Florian.

[MaliSlamusrex]

this thread is suppose to be about Rampage and Griffin :nut :nut :nut.

anyhow, i never said Angle would be good at MMA i said that a former Olympic gold medalist in Wrestling will be better than Nog is some aspects of the ground game, i.e. transitions, escaping and Wrestling holds.

i am not saying Sherk is a bad fighter and i am not taking anything away from him he is a good fighter, what i am saying is at 35 or however old he is he wont challenge GSP or BJ Penn, he will always be a conternder but i dont think he is a natural lightweight and if he doesnt get good matches i question for how long will continue to fight.

Has Angle had an MMA fight ? How do you know what he do there ? He has probablly never trained a day in Jiu-Jitsu as he has spent the last 10 years on the road traveling from state to state everynight,getting addicted to painkillers and has had 3 neck surgerys not to mention hes 40. Kurt Angle trying MMA at this point was be sucide. Humor me bro what is so finished about Sean Sherk aside from the BJ Penn lost hes had the majority of his best performences and wins in the last 3 years ala Nick Diaz,Hermes Franca,Tyson Griffin,Kenny Florian.

[jimmie]

this thread is suppose to be about Rampage and Griffin :nut :nut :nut.

anyhow, i never said Angle would be good at MMA i said that a former Olympic gold medalist in Wrestling will be better than Nog is some aspects of the ground game, i.e. transitions, escaping and Wrestling holds.

i am not saying Sherk is a bad fighter and i am not taking anything away from him he is a good fighter, what i am saying is at 35 or however old he is he wont challenge GSP or BJ Penn, he will always be a conternder but i dont think he is a natural lightweight and if he doesnt get good matches i question for how long will continue to fight.

Well man theres also BJ and GSP there arent many like them so if BJ where to leave 155 Sherk has it made for the time being remembers he only lost 3 times to the very very elite guys at the time GSP,Penn,Hughes.

[MaliSlamusrex]

i know Sherk is a good fighter and has only been beaten by the best, but when Sherk lost to Penn was beaten, i dont think he expects to fight foe the title again, i think he wants one fight against Hughes then he will retire.

Well man theres also BJ and GSP there arent many like them so if BJ where to leave 155 Sherk has it made for the time being remembers he only lost 3 times to the very very elite guys at the time GSP,Penn,Hughes.