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BazRandall
11-13-2008, 04:31 PM
i read today that rendall munroe could be inline for a tilt at wworld honours !

would he fair well against the likes of vasquez or jm lopez?

personally i'd prefer him to go for molitor

anyone got any views on this one?

kosaros
11-13-2008, 04:42 PM
I wish him the best - should get a good pay day win or lose, i hope he wins but he will have it up against him.

BazRandall
11-13-2008, 04:45 PM
imo vasquez to powerful and relentless and lopez just unbelievable punch power at the weight.

like you i'd like him to do it, but........

don't think he'd disgrace himself is a top fighter

Lucky Punch
11-13-2008, 04:49 PM
WBU Vacant? I can't see him fighting for a world title IMO.

BazRandall
11-13-2008, 05:03 PM
WBU Vacant? I can't see him fighting for a world title IMO.

you think its to early or he hasn't the class?

Lewisbell
11-13-2008, 06:51 PM
To remind people he is fighting in Ireland defending his Euro titile against Italian Fabrizzio Trotta (13(4) - 4 - 2)

Beeston Brawler
11-14-2008, 04:55 AM
I think he has a decent future ahead - a couple more defences and it may be time to have a go.

Better to try and lose than not to and regret it. That's why I don't understand Pickering being criticised for dropping to bantam for a world shot.

IMO, this would be the outcome against the elite at 122.......

Vasquez mid round KO
Marquez mid round KO
Molitor wide UD/late stoppage
Lopez early KO
Caballero clear UD

The rest I would give him a chance against to be honest. Ponce De Leon is nothing special, and most of the others have pretty padded records if honest.

D-MAC
11-14-2008, 05:09 AM
I like Monroe, but he's not at that level.

Any of the current champions would handle him easily.

Even some of the guys in that division without titles are damn good fighters; thinking about Rafael Marquez and Jhonny Gonzales here, as well as guys a layer below that like PDL, Bautista and a few others.

Its going to be very hard for Monroe to make an impact.

Beeston Brawler
11-14-2008, 05:29 AM
To be fair, Rafa Marquez is better than any of them, other than Vasquez - whom I believe he is on a par with.

BamBam
11-14-2008, 06:05 AM
I've been very disappointed with Munroe since he put in that excellent performance to take the title from Martinez. First he boxes Bouaita who had a 60-40 win-loss ratio. Got the stoppage but Bouaita wasn't even interested on the night (not Rendalls fault I know).
Then he fights Martyirosian who had only fought 1 guy with a winning record in his previous 4 bouts (only 13 fights in total) and looked far from convinicing that.
Now he is fighting Trotta who, lets be honest, is a big sack of shit.

He turned down the obvious fight with Dunne citing that the challenger should come to him and fight in england instead of Munroe fighting in Ireland (seemed perfectly reasonable at the time). Then Munroe goes and fights in Ireland in a shite venue, as basically the sideshow for Sutherlands pro debut. He could have fought Dunne in a better venue for a career high pay day but instead he ends up fighting some Italian no mark for peanuts.

I don't get him at all. He should have jacked in the binman stuff for a couple of years and concentrated on giving boxing a real shot. When he didn't do that the obvious thing would have been to take the biggest purses he was offered but he hasn't done that either.

If he produces another questionable display against Trotta I really am going to start to think that the Martinez win was a bit of a flukey one off. I thought he looked like a good fighter at the level but he seems afraid of trying to step it up at all.

As for world level, his powder puff punches would be his downfall. He doesn't have the power to discourage my granny from walking him down so he'd never keep the elite fighters off his case. For such a big looking bloke he has no pop! I know I may sound a bit harsh on the lad but it is because I am frustrated at the way he has gone about things since winning the EBU.

And also throw into the mix that SBW probably has the most strength in depth of any division while at the same time not having may marquee fighters.

Vasquez, Juanma, Molitor, Cabellero

Marquez, De Leon, Gonzalez, That Thai lad with the ridiculous name I can never remember, Bautista, Cordoba

There are 10 tough opponents without thinking about it,

SouthpawSlayer
11-14-2008, 06:08 AM
maloney saying this but i cant see it happening, munroe seems like an honest guy but sbw is a very tough weight to win genuine world titles at, i presume the would go the molitor route, he has fought in england before and looks the weakest champ but even he is a handful

robpalmer135
11-14-2008, 06:12 AM
Munroe is way of being even a top 1 fighter at super bantam. not because theres anything wrong with him, i rate the guy, but sbw is a shit hot division. he should jsut make decent money defending the euro belt, maybe set up a fight with marsh the british champ or the commonwealth champion, have a big money fight with Dunne in ireland. this would be 2 nice years for the guy, by then Lopez, Vasquez, Marquez, Cabalerro, Molitor and the rest may have all moved up and he can get an alphabet.

there not even big money in fighting those guys currently as anything below feather people seem to not follow as much. if he was to fight a vasquez or lopez now, his career would be over.

Beeston Brawler
11-14-2008, 06:15 AM
He would spend three rounds running from Vasquez or Marquez before getting put to sleep.

They couldn't even back each other up with their power, so I doubt Rendall could make a dent.

BazRandall
11-14-2008, 07:35 AM
He would spend three rounds running from Vasquez or Marquez before getting put to sleep.

They couldn't even back each other up with their power, so I doubt Rendall could make a dent.

It be similar to lockett taking on pavlik i guess, and the bin man stuff needs to go and really have a crack at it.
Maybe he doesn't feel he can do it and all maloneys talk is to sell tickets for the next fight imo

brown bomber
11-14-2008, 07:39 AM
I think he's pretty good. Reminds me a little of Duke Mckenzie. I think he is short of world class but who knows. Its a tough division thats for sure.

Beeston Brawler
11-14-2008, 07:40 AM
I don't see him working as a problem - it's not as if he is sat behind a desk all the time or on a till.

A binman would be on circa £20k - a nice little pension fund if he needs to retire for some reason.

TFFP
11-14-2008, 07:42 AM
He might as well give it a go.

He has nothing to lose and he might get a good payday for once. Not like anybody is expecting anything from him against these guys.

Beeston Brawler
11-14-2008, 08:29 AM
Good post.

dwilson
11-14-2008, 08:39 AM
I really like Rendall and hope he does well for himself. I think he is giving up the binman job before he starts training for his next fight. He needs a couple more european standard fights and hopefully a crack at Dunne and the other top British fighters, maybe in 4/5 fights he could go for an eliminater but I would hope he waits awhile for his progression to cope with the elite of the division. I still doubt he quite has what it takes to win a world belt but all it takes is one great performance.

Beeston Brawler
11-14-2008, 10:34 AM
I don't know the background toward his EBU title win, but would be surprised if he was anything other than a late replacement - because his previous performances (or calibre of opponent) didn't really suggest he was going places anytime soon.

ishy
11-14-2008, 11:26 AM
I bet if he get's a shot it'll be for the 'regular' WBA title. Molitor and Caballero are fighting in a WBA/IBF unification so the winner of that will become WBA 'super' champ and I guess the Rendall will get a shot to fight for the 'regular' title. Rendall's ranked at 6 by the WBA and Jhonny Gonzales and Rafa Marquez are ranked at 2 and 3 but I doubt they'll want to fight for that title.

Beeston Brawler
11-14-2008, 11:29 AM
I doubt Frank would put Rendall in with Rafa anyway, unless the marbles have disappeared.

BazRandall
11-14-2008, 02:49 PM
what would it do to his career to fighty marquez and lose?

certainly increase his exposure to the fight public and maybe bring bigger pay days.

If its unlikely he'll win a world version kinda makes no sense keep fighting bums like the last guy, does nothing for his career long term imo.

TommyV
11-14-2008, 05:19 PM
Vasquez, Marquez finish him in a couple of rounds. Lopez would probably get him out of there in 1. Caballero in 3/4. Molitor probably in 6/7.

BigEars
11-14-2008, 08:20 PM
What happens with mandatorys for that ebu belt ? I read when Dunne wanted Munroe , Martinez saying he would have to wait because he is mandatory for a re-match and he would give him another shot at his old title once he beats Munroe . No offence to Munroe but all his opponents since Martinez don't look up to much on boxrec .Has any of them been mandatorys?

Bouaita was, Martinez will be the next one and Maludrottu will be the next one after that no matter who Dunne beats(well bar maybe Maludrottu, but even then I wouldn't be convinved).

Munroe is nowhere at World level, he struggled badly with the very poor Arsen Matirosian and I think he'd be put away in about 3 rounds by either Vasquez or Marquez and Molitor would have an easy time with him before stopping him late.

Before anyone has a go at the guy in my avatar(and I'm sure someone will) he equally falls short at World level. I'd give him a better shot at beating Molitor than Munroe but I reckon he'd still lose, just not as badly.

Munroe will want to have his level of opposition increased significantly if he's going to go for a World title. Trotta will not even prepare him for the Martinez/Dunne/Maludrottu level of opponent that Munroe will have to fight to keep his title. Infact it won't even prepare him for Marsh or an inactive and rusty Michael Hunter.

BamBam
11-15-2008, 12:53 AM
On an entirely different point (apologies folks), if Bernard has made half the strides he has said he has regarding building power then tings may just be about to get interesting. Although I guess I won't have to wait long to see.

9Ball
11-15-2008, 01:15 AM
Molitor is the weakest but he would still easily beat Munroe.

TBH I think Rendall should stay away from world title fights, they aint gonna prolongue his career and he wont want to go back to the bins for good. I know I wouldn't !! ;) Good luck though.

BazRandall
11-15-2008, 09:10 AM
Molitor is the weakest but he would still easily beat Munroe.

TBH I think Rendall should stay away from world title fights, they aint gonna prolongue his career and he wont want to go back to the bins for good. I know I wouldn't !! ;) Good luck though.

which makes thepoint that motivation can push along a career maybe he needs bigger fights to bring the best out of him?

sstevelcfc
11-15-2008, 02:33 PM
think he would have stopped martirosian round 6 or 7 if he had more power ,because he hasnt i think he would struggle aginst the big boys
shame though

Flea Man
11-15-2008, 06:42 PM
Even if he lost to JuanMa he wouldn;t be one of his one-round walkovers, and I think he'd give a good account of himself against Vasquez; Marquez; Molitor and Cabellero aswell.

He has World class ability and can seemingly take a good shot. He has size advantages at SBW (over pretty much everyone bar Cabaellero) and has half-decent power too (he's no Paulie is he???)

Good luck to him, with support and decent matchmaking Rendell Munroe could be one of the guys to take over once Hatton and Calzaghe have gone. He has quite the following already!!!

Beeston Brawler
11-17-2008, 05:01 AM
Munroe is a level above Marsh IMO.

BamBam
11-17-2008, 06:24 AM
Brian Peters (Bernard Dunne's promoter/manager) has come out to offer Munroe a 70k (I think) pay cheque to fight Dunne in Dublin for the EBU title.

Apparently Peters has said if Munroe is willing to come to Dublin to fight an Italian for fuck all money in front of fuck all people (or words to those effects) then why not come fight Bernard in front of a big crowd, for good money in a fight fans want to see.

I'm all for that but apparently he made some disparaging remarks about Munroe's standard of opponent (again fair enough I guess since I agree myself) but then went on to take a couple of sly digs at him.

Now I haven't heard/read a statement but if it's true then I will be very disappointed as this kind of name calling was never Dunne/Peter's style. They always did their business in the background and sorted things out that way.

I know for a fact that Bernard has the upmost respect for Munroe so I hope that there was nothing below the belt said. Like i stated, I haven't heard/read the statement myself, but I hope that team Dunne haven't changed from the way they conducted their business in the past

Beeston Brawler
11-17-2008, 06:26 AM
I just think Munroe vs Dunne should happen at the earliest opportunity.

Maloney seems to have taken the Hennessy attitude of 'everyone is ducking my men' lately regardless of facts - apparently Tommy Gilmour is keeping Appleby away from Bhatia, yet Tommy stuck him in with Simpson?

Strange that - because I would swear that Simmo would be more dangerous at that point.