View Full Version : Is MMA getting boring now?
scurlaruntings
11-14-2008, 09:23 AM
Yeah i said it!! :D
It seems to have lost its dynamic for me. I know we have Couture Lesnar to look forward too. But the rack of talent that was in MMA in years gone by has seen some major names fall by the way and since PRIDE`s demise some of the great fighters we were used to seeing are marking time in minor orgs or just not fighting at all. There just doesnt seem to be much to look forward to anymore..:|
J_Roth
11-14-2008, 10:31 AM
I'm still interested in MMA. I admit that my interest is at a low point rght now. When Pride fell it took something from the sport. IMHO Pride was the best org despite any corruption that can be said. If the best were constantly fighting the best it would spice it back up. I presonally don't think the fighters give it there all and we end up with some snoozers sometimes.
On the contrary it's started to grow on me, mainly because a good chunk of the fights are fought standing up.
I didn't watch Pride or any other MMA org because we didn't get enough coverage here, so I was stuck with the UFC. I remember the Matt Hughes days and I really had a hard time restraining myself from switching channels, couldn't really stand a couple of sweaty guys stinking the joint, rolling around not doing much. Yeah I'm just a casual fan so I can't appreciate that aspect of the sport.
Nowadays you have strikers that are great to watch like Silva, GSP etc. I'm glad the sport has evolved.
québecwarrior
11-14-2008, 12:11 PM
I'm getting more and more excited. Just the fact that, guys are becoming better in overall aspect. In 10 years, the sport is gonna be large and great for talent.
I can't wait
boxingcar
11-14-2008, 12:14 PM
Yeah i said it!! :D
It seems to have lost its dynamic for me. I know we have Couture Lesnar to look forward too. But the rack of talent that was in MMA in years gone by has seen some major names fall by the way and since PRIDE`s demise some of the great fighters we were used to seeing are marking time in minor orgs or just not fighting at all. There just doesnt seem to be much to look forward to anymore..:|
Been bored with it ever since pride fc died. However !!...
As long as they keep a certain rythm and offering regular super fights then it's all good...
Right now ? I'd say i'm overall pretty excited. the next few months (november , december & january ) are gonna be awesome imo.
I've lost some interest in MMA too. Back in 2005, I was the biggest MMA fan. I was obsessed with the sport. I never missed a PPV. But now it seems to have lost it's luster a little. The MMA event that I was looking forward to the most was UFC 84: Ill Will. I've never been that pumped for any MMA or Boxing event.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
11-14-2008, 01:06 PM
I think that it is important for MMA fans to realize how much this sport is evolving. If you are the kind of fan that gets attached to the "stars" and the big name fighters... your interest will burn out quickly. Not only do the fighters keep getting better, but it is so hard to keep winning in the sport. There are just too many styles, and too many ways to lose. I simply love to watch fights. I really like watching the mega fights, ect... but I enjoy watching any good fight, and I make sure to keep up on the up and coming fighters.
It is VERY important not to go in with a "boxing fan" mentality. By that I mean... expecting every fight to be amazingly exciting, and writing fighters off after a loss. The styles in MMA will lead to a good bit of somewhat "boring" fights. Also, as I said before... even the best fighters are going to lose, so get used to it.
scurlaruntings
11-14-2008, 02:57 PM
Been bored with it ever since pride fc died. However !!...
As long as they keep a certain rythm and offering regular super fights then it's all good...
Right now ? I'd say i'm overall pretty excited. the next few months (november , december & january ) are gonna be awesome imo.I guess theres NYE. But there just doesnt seem to be the mega events to look forward too like there used to be. Plus Hero`s WFA EliteXC and PRIDE have all gone to the way.The 2nd tier bouts we used to see with guys like Frye Fujita Fedors brother Aleks, Gilbert Yvel etc etc, these were the type of heavies that could participate in a quality show. Although they would loose MMA needed these quality journeymen as they provided experience and tests for up and comers and added quality depth to there division. Right now the UFC heavy division is a bad joke and there just doesnt seem to be anything to look forward too other than a UFC bill and TUF.. Personally i think its a travesty that guys like Melvin Manhoef will never be known to mainstream fans of MMA..
steelem
11-14-2008, 03:05 PM
Yeah i said it!! :D
It seems to have lost its dynamic for me. I know we have Couture Lesnar to look forward too. But the rack of talent that was in MMA in years gone by has seen some major names fall by the way and since PRIDE`s demise some of the great fighters we were used to seeing are marking time in minor orgs or just not fighting at all. There just doesnt seem to be much to look forward to anymore..:|
i think you got a screw loose - ufc is the absolute bomb
Boinko
11-14-2008, 03:50 PM
I remember last year about this time there was similar talk after a few lackluster cards. Then Liddel/Silva happened and a few other good matchups and that talk subsided.
This kind of thing happens in boxing as well, where it often takes a exceptional fight to remind us all what a great sport it is.
ufoalf
11-14-2008, 04:01 PM
No.
dwilson
11-14-2008, 05:04 PM
I think it stands to get better and better but we need some good heavies getting together to fill out the UFC heavy division. Really after a couple of names I could not give a shit about the rest.
jimmie
11-14-2008, 06:11 PM
Its just fine.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
11-14-2008, 06:13 PM
I agree about the heavyweight division in the UFC. It seems like they just can't keep the talent there in the heavyweight division. There are so many match-ups that I want to see between the world's top heavyweights, that I will probably never get to see.
I am definitely looking forward to Arlovski vs Fedor though.
jimmie
11-14-2008, 06:14 PM
I agree about the heavyweight division in the UFC. It seems like they just can't keep the talent there in the heavyweight division. There are so many match-ups that I want to see between the world's top heavyweights, that I will probably never get to see.
I am definitely looking forward to Arlovski vs Fedor though.
Thats true but you gotta make due with what you have and not complain about things. Theres a good chance we will get Nogueira vs Couture to me thats beautiful right there.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
11-14-2008, 06:24 PM
Thats true but you gotta make due with what you have and not complain about things. Theres a good chance we will get Nogueira vs Couture to me thats beautiful right there.
To be honest... I see Couture winning a rather easy, lop sided decision against Nog. However... I see this fight against Lesnar as being much more troubling for Couture. Another year older... more than a year layoff... was rehabing an broken arm through half of that layoff... I am a bit scared.
Dostoevsky
11-14-2008, 07:01 PM
Yeah i said it!! :D
It seems to have lost its dynamic for me. I know we have Couture Lesnar to look forward too. But the rack of talent that was in MMA in years gone by has seen some major names fall by the way and since PRIDE`s demise some of the great fighters we were used to seeing are marking time in minor orgs or just not fighting at all. There just doesnt seem to be much to look forward to anymore..:|
No. Its not getting boring. You're just a Pride nuthugger still hurting and bawling over Pride going down the shitter. Get over it.
scurlaruntings
11-14-2008, 07:04 PM
No. Its not getting boring. You're just a Pride nuthugger still hurting and bawling over Pride going down the shitter. Get over it.Why dont you re read the thread and evaluate it a bit more? My beef is the lack of choice depth style variation. The same meal every day gets boring. The UFC is all there is. I prefer variation. Obviously you do not.
For me personally yeah it is getting boring. I haven't been truly into a "new" UFC since UFC 57 that was the last real good one for me perosnally-I deffinatly think to each their own. And that was I after I discovered teh UFC again, after it got it's television deal and I had come to the realization that UFC had been still been going on since like the first pay-per-veiw, when it came out. Now I am just rambling, this is all imo so. Now I will give honorable mentions to the one UFC- I think it was called "Bad Intention" with A. Silva vs. Franklin and Tim Sylvia vs. Monson, and 81 the one with Brock and Mir.
Why dont you re read the thread and evaluate it a bit more? My beef is the lack of choice depth style variation. The same meal every day gets boring. The UFC is all there is. I prefer variation. Obviously you do not.
No, you miss pride and have been complaining ever since and usually start your " I miss Pride" thread and shit on UFC every chance you get and bitch about almost everyting.
Beebs
11-14-2008, 08:31 PM
How anybody can be bored with MMA right now, when the fighters are the best they have ever been, is beyond me.
Acting like its just the UFC is wrong, hdnet puts on tons of fights, even if you don't get the HDnet you can watch them online, there are more divisions on display than ever, we actually get to watch guys like Miguel Torres, Urijah Faber, Imanari, Maeda, and so many others fighting, and fighting at their proper weight, and fighting on TV, that was a pipe dream 5 years ago.
this thread just reaks of pouting and sentimental whining.
scurlaruntings
11-15-2008, 06:46 AM
No, you miss pride and have been complaining ever since and usually start your " I miss Pride" thread and shit on UFC every chance you get and bitch about almost everyting.You still on there payroll arent ya :think
ufoalf
11-15-2008, 03:50 PM
To be honest... I see Couture winning a rather easy, lop sided decision against Nog. However... I see this fight against Lesnar as being much more troubling for Couture. Another year older... more than a year layoff... was rehabing an broken arm through half of that layoff... I am a bit scared.
Today's Noguera I'm not sure. He's been on the downslope IMHO. What about 2004 Noguera? You think Couture handles him easy?
You still on there payroll arent ya :think
yes, but I still havn't received a cent and might have to "resign" soon.
sugarngold
11-15-2008, 07:22 PM
Just hours away from Couture vs Lesnar - it's hard to say that MMA is boring. Sure I miss Pride as much as anyone - but the remnants of the org are still around. We still have some great fights on the horizon with the third Rampage/Wanderlai match as well as the best superfight of the year with GSP vs Penn II.
scurlaruntings
11-15-2008, 07:23 PM
You want me to call Dana for you..
I would like that, thanks....see your not so bad after all.
its getting boring now since the downfall of kimbo and elitexc
exactly, MMA was kimbo and Elite XC, I'm not sure if MMA will survive without them.:-( :huh :verysad :verysad :nut
The Prodigy
11-17-2008, 08:29 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed every single fight on the card on Saturday,I think every fight was exciting - stand up wars,JJ masterclasses - I know this thread was not aimed at any particular card/org but if anyone can watch last wekends event and think MMA is boring I would suggest they may be watching the wrong sport.
SouthpawSlayer
11-17-2008, 10:47 AM
i can honestly say mma's appeal to me over the last 12 months has seriously diminshed, i was a huge fan but find it hard to get excited about fights like i used to, i guess watching the likes of bisping and leben headline events pisses me off and the ending to saturdays main event was terrible
bring on bj and gsp and get the ball rolling
Rock0052
11-17-2008, 02:54 PM
i can honestly say mma's appeal to me over the last 12 months has seriously diminshed, i was a huge fan but find it hard to get excited about fights like i used to, i guess watching the likes of bisping and leben headline events pisses me off and the ending to saturdays main event was terrible
bring on bj and gsp and get the ball rolling
I'm in the same boat you are- I've gone from a hardcore fan to just a casual one and I see the points scurlaruntings and others are making. For me, I just think it's because the sport's evolved from having a variety of different styles to essentially a couple of universal styles/skillsets you see in fights now, and that plays a part in it along with the points brought up in prior posts.
papke26
11-17-2008, 09:47 PM
I think that it is important for MMA fans to realize how much this sport is evolving. If you are the kind of fan that gets attached to the "stars" and the big name fighters... your interest will burn out quickly. Not only do the fighters keep getting better, but it is so hard to keep winning in the sport. There are just too many styles, and too many ways to lose. I simply love to watch fights. I really like watching the mega fights, ect... but I enjoy watching any good fight, and I make sure to keep up on the up and coming fighters.
It is VERY important not to go in with a "boxing fan" mentality. By that I mean... expecting every fight to be amazingly exciting, and writing fighters off after a loss. The styles in MMA will lead to a good bit of somewhat "boring" fights. Also, as I said before... even the best fighters are going to lose, so get used to it.
You are so right. The sport is still in the early stage's so the fighter's aren't the finished article. For a start, the skills are useally only world class in grappling and they are not even fully adapted for mma yet [in most cases]. The school's are at the moment figuring out the correct way to train, and lack the learned structure of boxing gym's; like the typical skip, bagwork, shadowbox, sparring boxing workout. But in time it will come, then the skill's will sky rocket into unbelievable dimensions.
Young kid's dont get into the sport and once that changes the fella's will be awesome. They will develop amatuer program's and clubs, and technique will grow like a boxer's does. I'd say in two generations the there will be established schools and old timers pasing on tip's to young kids like in boxing today; then there will be guys who are truely world class in every range. I say give it time, mma is the future and the future fighters will be amazing.
Zakman
11-17-2008, 11:15 PM
Getting boring?? The shit's been boring since the day it came out. Ain't nothin' exciting about watching a couple a guys throw a few punches and then roll around on the floor for what seems like forever. :-(
Boxing is the way to go, always has been, always will be.
your very out of touch just like your sam peter prediction and your obama loss prediction.
boxingcar
11-18-2008, 12:50 AM
But in time it will come, then the skill's will sky rocket into unbelievable dimensions.
Young kid's dont get into the sport and once that changes the fella's will be awesome. They will develop amatuer program's and clubs, and technique will grow like a boxer's does. I'd say in two generations the there will be established schools and old timers pasing on tip's to young kids like in boxing today; then there will be guys who are truely world class in every range. I say give it time, mma is the future and the future fighters will be amazing.
actually , this already exists...so don't get your hopes too high because it's not gonna get any better.
You're never gonna see an mma fighter who'll be a combo of mayweather (with his boxing) , + Ramon Dekkers (for the muay thai aspect ) + Shinya Aoki (for the BJJ ) + Aleksander Karelin (for the greco wrestling) + fedor (for the sambo ) + Akiyama (for the judo)...
That fighter...will never exist. It's wishful thinking.
No one can be the 100% best in all aspects. What makes the difference is the overall talent combined with 1 or 2 specialties + solid gameplans.
These specimens already exist.
Georges st Pierre is one...Kid Yamamoto is another , Hansen , Kawajiri , Fedor , Penn , Alvarez ,Cavalcante , Ribeiro , Ishida , Melendez etc....etc....
the fighters you're talking about already exist. But don't expect too much though. Because it would be as ridiculous as expecting a guy who's got the power of shavers + the workrate of Calzaghe + the speed of RJJ + the jab of Wlad or Holmes + the footwork of Ali..
That fighter doesn't exist in boxing..No one is perfect.
MMA already has the super quality fighters , granted , they're not all of that caliber...but they're already here. The future of mma ?
Will probably slowly but surely eradicate all the one dimensional fighters.. In the future , it wouldn't be surprsing to see 90% of them being capable to perform submissions , defend against them + to have legit wrestling skills.
(the reality is that in 2008...Not everyone is capable to pull subs or defend against them...Couture himself , who's concidered a ufc legend only has a total of 2 submissions on his entire resume...Matt Hughes , very talented but extremely one dimensional compared to the likes of Penn or GSP)
i'm not stigmatising the hw division in particular though...there's many fighters who can't pull the shit gsp or aoki can do in every weight classes...even simple submissions.
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