Toney vs. Fraizer?

[bugzy]

who would take this one? they were both great boxerS, Toney maybe slightly superior, but Frazier could make up for it with that murderous left hook.

[Sweet Pea]

Frazier could also make up for it with the fact that Toney was a natural MW who'd have lost to any of the great HW's. Frazier by TKO in the late rounds.

[ChrisPontius]

Frazier destroys him and has absolutely no respect for him in the ring because of his lack of power.

[mcvey]

who would take this one? they were both great boxerS, Toney maybe slightly superior, but Frazier could make up for it with that murderous left hook.
Prime Frazier decapitates Toney.

[AREA 53]

Toney likes to snatch Rest periods in fights - But there is No Brakeman on Fraziers train, Joe's Pace is Ace against Toney, and James will not be able to live with it, Also Joes was not the earliest Pressure fighter to hit at his best, all told, not a good match for James

[AlFrancis]

Toney likes to snatch Rest periods in fights - But there is No Brakeman on Fraziers train, Joe's Pace is Ace against Toney, and James will not be able to live with it, Also Joes was not the earliest Pressure fighter to hit at his best, all told, not a good match for James

"No brakeman on Frazier's train". I like that.

[mr. magoo]

Interestingly enough, James Toney played the role of Joe Frazier in the 2001 movie about Ali.

[mcvey]

Interestingly enough, James Toney played the role of Joe Frazier in the 2001 movie about Ali.
Joe Frazier should have had as big a down on the casting director of that Film as he has on Ali,"Ugly am I?"

[McGrain]

Ko2.

[newbridgeboxing]

Smokin Joe would put Toney on a stretcher

[janitor]

Frazier is perhaps the worst matchup in history for any small slick boxer.

Just dont go there.

[bugzy]

Interestingly enough, James Toney played the role of Joe Frazier in the 2001 movie about Ali.
fuckin a i was just watchin the flick thats why i thought of it, youz guys are right though frazier would beat the poo n' piss out of that guy.

[mcvey]

Toney likes to snatch Rest periods in fights - But there is No Brakeman on Fraziers train, Joe's Pace is Ace against Toney, and James will not be able to live with it, Also Joes was not the earliest Pressure fighter to hit at his best, all told, not a good match for James
Good analysis!

[he grant]

Frazier would end up doing a serious number on him ... five or six rounds tops ...

[teeto]

Erm, is it ok with the board if i pick Frazier?

Haha!

[MRBILL]

I have no clue who'd win..... The Jim Toney of 2003 and at 217 pounds certainly had a chance against Smokin' Joe.... Toney had better skills, while Frazier had better power in his hook..... This would be a great fight---in a time machine.....

MR.BILL:p

[Sardu]

Frazier savages Toney by TKO in the 8th round.

[JohnThomas1]

I have no clue who'd win..... The Jim Toney of 2003 and at 217 pounds certainly had a chance against Smokin' Joe.... Toney had better skills, while Frazier had better power in his hook..... This would be a great fight---in a time machine.....

MR.BILL:p

What Toney performance at Heavyweight would you point me towards as an exhibit for his ability to beat a top 10 ATG heavyweight?

[abraq]

Hey Bubzy. Welcome.

A great natural MW, steroid hyped into a fat 'big' (230+ or thereabout) HW vs a great natural HW (205) - steroid hyped into who knows how much - well take your guess. I am talking about Frazier having the same things to use as Toney.

Toney would be overpowered. His boxing skills and good chin would have seen him last some rounds - maybe 6 or 7. I don't think he could have gone past that.

[abraq]

What sticks out in my head right now is the Bonavena fights. Bonavena went the distance twice. That is strange since Bonavena is a guy who would be routinely stopped through the whole of his career. But he was tough enough to keep his head above water against Frazier.

So was James. This fight will go to the cards and I am sure. Toney was tough, had a rock solid jaw, and had the great defense against sluggers and swarmers. There are guys who went the distance with Frazier who had less than Toney. Bonavena sticks out right away. In fact I think Toney would be landing the cleaner punches as Frazier was quite ready to be found with the right hand. On the inside Toney lands the clean counters but Frazier throws more.

This fight looks similar to the Bonavena fights. But less moving around. This fight stays on the ropes were I don't think Frazier was at his best. Frazier was best at coming in on jabs and leads with countering left hooks. When pressing his opponent on the ropes he had a tendency to sink his head into the chest of a fighter and work generically, or even unenthusiastically: almost like he was pounding a heavybag in the gym, just winging the shots.

Frazier punches more and probably takes the fight on points but looks lackluster as he works Toney on the ropes.

Bonavena routinely stopped through the whole of his career! Sir, where are you coming from. Oscar Boanavena was only stopped once in his career spanning 66 fights. And that was a 15 round stoppage by Muhammad Ali. He won 56 of those fights, 42 by kayo. He drew one and lost only 9. 2 of these losses were by disq. and so doesn't really count. His first loss (by decision) was when he took on the classy, experienced and ranked Zora Folley in early 1965 when Folley was still good in only his (Bonavena's) 9th fight. This shouldn't be really held against him. His other decision losses were to fighters who went by the names of Joe Frazier (twice), Jimmy Ellis, Floyd Patterson and Ron Lyle. A pretty deep cast of characters.

Considering the pedigree of the fighters who actually beat him, Ringo can hardly be dismissed so lightly as you seem to have done.

As for the statement that a Frazier-Toney fight would have been similar to a Frazier-Bonavena fight, you seem to have no idea about the very different fighting styles of James Toney and Oscar Bonavena.

[leverage]

Unfair matchup! Frazier steamrolls Toney. Toney has nothing to keep frazier off.

[SteveO]

I pick Frazier by UD. 10-5 I'm thinking. James takes first 3 and maybe 2 of the later ones.

But I don't see Joe knocking James out for the reason that I don't know what it takes to KO James.

[cuchulain]

Frazier could also make up for it with the fact that Toney was a natural MW who'd have lost to any of the great HW's. Frazier by TKO in the late rounds.


Agree with all except the word 'late.'

[JIm Broughton]

Toney might give Joe some problems early as Joe was a slow starter but once Frazier warmed up and got going Joe systematically wears Toney down and stops him later in the fight. Toney likes to counterpunch but against Frazier that would get him only so far. Joe's constant pressure and punchrate would be too much for Toney. The way to beat a fighter like Toney is to stay on top of him, throw a lot of punches and take him out of his comfort zone and Frazier would do just that and then some.

[Bummy Davis]

Frazier had the fire power in his punch, Toney tough and gritty but Toney would trade and go out on his shield but he would get smoked

[Manassa]

I'd love to see this fight, to see Toney get battered. I can actually visualise what would happen. A grinding stoppage, definitely.

[ChrisPontius]

Much like the Quarry one, probably. Those were horrendous beatings, both, and could be stopped a bit earlier perhaps.

[SuzieQ49]

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