How will Hatton deal with the 'shoulder roll'?

[bill poster]

This is the cornerstone of PBFs defence- no fighter has managed to figure it out thus far....

[Relentless]

left hooks baby!!!

[Relentless]

i dont think hatton can hurt mayweather to the body, i mean do you remember the vicious body shots oscar landed on mayweather

[Stewbear]

i dont think hatton can hurt mayweather to the body, i mean do you remember the vicious body shots oscar landed on

I presume you were going to say Mayweather, and no I didn't. At all.

[Pimp C]

i dont think hatton can hurt mayweather to the body, i mean do you remember the vicious body shots oscar landed on
Hatton's left hook to the body won't land cleanly in the middle of the ring on a defensive guru like PBF.:deal

[LogDog69]

Gatti said that he was gonna punch him in the shoulder until it fell off but unfortunately that didn't happen :-(

[Relentless]

I presume you were going to say Mayweather, and no I didn't. At all.

maybe you should watch the fight instead of watching the referee, oscar landed quiet alot of left hooks to the body which didn't hurt mayweather.

[Pimp C]

oh they will land, trust.
Yeah and you said Margo would beat Paul Williams
Margo was the second coming of Duran
And You would leave ESB forever if Margo left
What you say or think means nothing here.:deal:hi:

[JustinD]

Gatti said that he was gonna punch him in the shoulder until it fell off but unfortunately that didn't happen :-(

Gatti isn't Hatton, there is a world of difference between them.

[Piffer]

He'll try to deal with it the same way he tries to deal with everything. It's not like he's going to be trying anything different than he's always done.

[Lampley]

Hatton will have to invade Floyd's space to stay in range and nullify Floyd's counters. There's a real question of whether he can do this.

I think Paul Williams is the most ideal candidate to deal with the shoulder roll, because he has the punching angle (up high) and reach to fire over the top, and he can do it from a distance that will make countering very difficult for Floyd.

And if you can bring Floyd out of that stance for the duration of a fight, the outcome of the bout is in play.

[jlrivera81]

I say hit is ass in the damn shoulder until that shit goes numb. do you remember how Cotto damn near broke Branco's shoulder? that's exactly what you need to do to mayweather. hit his ass where ever you can, but make it hurt. if he gives you and arm/shoulder, break it.

[Pimp C]

I say hit is ass in the damn shoulder until that shit goes numb. do you remember how Cotto damn near broke Branco's shoulder? that's exactly what you need to do to mayweather. hit his ass where ever you can, but make it hurt. if he gives you and arm/shoulder, break it.
Two problems with this one Hatton doesn't have Cotto's power and two PBF isn't Branco.

[bill poster]

Left hook to the body and he is wide open to a counter

[JETSKI]

Left hook to the body and he is wide open to a counter

Yes, he will be. Hatton will take alot of punishment in order to land some shots, but he'll deal with Floyds pot-shots. And if he can't find him in the middle of the ring, he'll have to get him on the ropes.

I think RH has a decent chance to make something happen. If Hatton can pull the upset, expect a trilogy. PBF would win the 2nd fight, this setting up a 3rd. Mucho $$$ to be made.

[Fab2333]

left hooks baby!!!
I would agree with you relentless, but HAtton is plain to slow to land that shot. Normally the best way to throw some1 off that uses the shoulder roll, well my trainer tells me to feint a lot, cuz Floyd reacts to which side he thinks the punches are going to come from. So if Hatton had faster hands, he could feint a lot and land left hooks IE: wat oscar was tryin to do, and landed sometimes

[Imperial1]

Easy, grab, push then Hook !

[bill poster]

Floyd reacts to which side he thinks the punches are going to come from. So if Hatton had faster hands, he could faint a lot

Hatton is pretty fast- 3 times as fast as Baldomir and will follow up his good work unlike DLH. Floyd plans to ride out the early storm as he did with DLH. Hatton needs to cause as much damage as he can early on so as PBF is less effective in the later rds..if it involves mauling, grappling etc i don't care..expect a lot of complaining from Floyd.

So expect the referee to be very influential in this fight

[Fab2333]

BUt in all actualiy Hatton is too limited a fighter to get through Floyd's guard. BUt if he can feint, and land hard shots then mayb he has a chance

[Fab2333]

Hatton is pretty fast- 3 times as fast as Baldomir and will follow up his good work unlike DLH. Floyd plans to ride out the early storm as he did with DLH. Hatton needs to cause as much damage as he can early on so as PBF is less effective in the later rds..if it involves mauling, grappling etc i don't care..expect a lot of complaining from Floyd.

So expect the referee to be very influential in this fight

His hands arent fast in my opinion, I mean yeah he has faster hands than Baldomir, But his punches arent crisp, they are easy to telegraph and against a counter puncher like FLoyd he is going to pay a price for that. I dont think Floyd will allow Hatton to back him in a corner to do much damage. Oscar was able to do that b/c of his overall size, and the size of the ring as well. Hatton is smaller, if not the same size as floyd. Floyd is going to kep the fight in the middle of the ring and, pot shot and move all night, frustrate Hatton to death. If floyd puts 2gether his combinations that night like when he fought Gatti, the fight is goign to end early. If floyd chooses 2 throw 1 shot at a time the fight will go 12rounds, but Hatton will looked f***ed up. I dont hate hatton or wateva, he isnt to special in my eyes. But against floyd given the skill he posses, I cant see him winning honestly.

[ChampionsForever]

This will be the decidint factor of the fight if you ask me, if he can form a decent offense against that shell covering shoulder rolling faggot then he has the fight in the bag, I always think that just hitting the mother fucker anywhere will hurt and get to him, he can be banging hard shots to hes forearms, hes shoulders and elbows and they will hurt him. And any opening he gets to hes ribs or head hes going to be taking it, Hatton can win this fight!!

[bill poster]

I predict Hatton will take a couple of rds to make an impact... it all depends on the ref-if he lets Hatton grapple and hit etc

[UndisputedUK]

I don't like Mayweather, his attitude and the fact that the WBC will fall over backwards to give people like him (and De La Hoya) a belt. However, he has bags of talent but he has not faced the best/hardest challenges out there.

I really want to see Hatton fight Witter, it's more likely if Hatton loses to Mayweather I guess. We may then have a WBC title bout in the MEN.

Both Hatton and Mayweather have hand picked opponents and given up belts rather than face the number 1 challengers.

I guarantee Billy Graham will have "larger, stronger, shoulder rollers" sparring with Hatton. It's a vicious punch to the body thats the key for Hatton. Can Mayweather stay away from Hatton and pot shot him to victory? Or will Hatton force Mayweather back and break his body?

I'm pretty confident Hatton would not beat a Paul Williams or Tony Margaritto, his biggest chance is against Mayweather. Strange but I think true.

When you think about it seriously, Hatton has no chance at all does he? When you think it through.

Beating lightweights and superfeatherweights at home and struggling against Collazo doesn't bode well for someone who beat a 154lb De La Hoya last time.

[UndisputedUK]

I bet the ref won't have any grappling!

[sandwichsurgeon]

maybe you should watch the fight instead of watching the referee, oscar landed quiet alot of left hooks to the body which didn't hurt mayweather.

I take it you are referring to the arm punches he threw to Floyds body when he tied him up against the ropes.

[bill poster]

:lol: not this ref then

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[kg0208]

DLH did have success in hitting PBF in the arms. Don't know why he went away from it. Hatton isn't going to be able to pull that off.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, PBF has I believe 3-4 base defenses he uses depending on the style.

Hatton needs to get in his face and make it a brawl. He will need to cut off the ring and come from angles.

[achillesthegreat]

Half guard can be penetrated just like any other guard - to the body, inside of the shoulder, right hands, to the chest.

It's all about throwing the right shot at the right time.

[41fever]

This is the cornerstone of PBFs defence- no fighter has managed to figure it out thus far....
relentless pressure + stamina = PBF's NEMESIS

but, we'll just have to see...PBF is a great boxer

[Fab2333]

:lol: not this ref then

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word wtf happened lol

[Fab2333]

Half guard can be penetrated just like any other guard - to the body, inside of the shoulder, right hands, to the chest.

It's all about throwing the right shot at the right time.

you are correct about that. But HAtton doesnt have the speed to exploit that. Also Hatton has to use a lot of feints to see the openings to capitalize. But I think he is just to limited to do so

[Fab2333]

relentless pressure + stamina = PBF's NEMESIS

but, we'll just have to see...PBF is a great boxer

Jose Luis Castillo took the approach and lost 2wice. So dont think thats necessarily the answer

[pit]

This is the cornerstone of PBFs defence- no fighter has managed to figure it out thus far....

I am amazed at how many times everyone has seen Floyd fight , that no one notices that he never uses the same defense in every fight. but to answer your question I don't think he will use the shoulder roll.

[achillesthegreat]

you are correct about that. But HAtton doesnt have the speed to exploit that. Also Hatton has to use a lot of feints to see the openings to capitalize. But I think he is just to limited to do so
Castillo had the speed to do it and Hatton is faster, more fluid, more agile and more nimble than Castillo.

No reason why Hatton can't go to the body.

For 8 rounds Hatton has to almost exclusively go downstairs. Even when he is countered for his troubles he has to try and be smart but keep going downstairs. He needs to be an irrepressabel rising tide.

[Fab2333]

I am amazed at how many times everyone has seen Floyd fight , that no one notices that he never uses the same defense in every fight. but to answer your question I don't think he will use the shoulder roll.

pit I think he will use the shoulder roll as well as just covering up. But he wont have anything to fear b/c Ricky wont be able to exploit either defense. And Floyd will kepp the fight in the center of the ring and woop his ass period. There is 2 many adjustments that Ricky is going to ahve to make to his game to beat Floyd, and the adjustments are fundamental adjustments. Floyd is going to beat Hatton rather easy

[41fever]

Jose Luis Castillo took the approach and lost 2wice. So dont think thats necessarily the answer
true, but in reality, not favortism or bought cowardly judges, Castillo won the 1st encounter handily. If u, not the weak judges, think Floyd won, u have PBF marriage issues. Now, all u need to do is cut the ring off and take some punishment and have a do or die demeanor in the ring vs Floyd and he'll lose. A fighter needs speed, tenacity, STAMINA, a strong will with volume punching in his arsenal to defeat Floyd. Who has that? Roberto Duran. Oh, he's retired...oops! I think Hatton is pretty close...we'll see.

[achillesthegreat]

Let's not beat around the bush, Rickys game plan isn't to spend 12 rounds picking holes.

[Fab2333]

Castillo had the speed to do it and Hatton is faster, more fluid, more agile and more nimble than Castillo.

No reason why Hatton can't go to the body.

For 8 rounds Hatton has to almost exclusively go downstairs. Even when he is countered for his troubles he has to try and be smart but keep going downstairs. He needs to be an irrepressabel rising tide.

I dont think that he will be able to do it. He needs a jab, Castillo uses a jab when he fights. you need a jab to back Floyd up. Oscar used a jab to back floyd up. Hatton on the other hand has no jab at all. And I think that Floyd will keep the fight in the center of the ring and counter him all night

[Fab2333]

true, but in reality, not favortism or bought cowardly judges, Castillo won the 1st encounter handily. If u, not the weak judges, think Floyd won, u have PBF marriage issues. Now, all u need to do is cut the ring off and take some punishment and have a do or die demeanor in the ring vs Floyd and he'll lose. A fighter needs speed, tenacity, STAMINA, a strong will with volume punching in his arsenal to defeat Floyd. Who has that? Roberto Duran. Oh, he's retired...oops! I think Hatton is pretty close...we'll see.

Castillo won the first fight handily?
Nah doggy, Floyd won it was a close fight but Floyd won. I dont remember exactly how i scored it, but Floyd did indeed win. It was a great effort by Castillo but the better man won that night

[Fab2333]

Let's not beat around the bush, Rickys game plan isn't to spend 12 rounds picking holes.

you are right, b/c he will be tryin 2 find floyd all night if he tries to win that way.

[Bazooka]

This is the cornerstone of PBFs defence- no fighter has managed to figure it out thus far....

Left hook right hand, I would advise Hatton to hit that Shoulder hard and early on the inside try to see if he cant do damage to the shoulder itself.

[BITCH ASS]

Left hook right hand, I would advise Hatton to hit that Shoulder hard and early on the inside try to see if he cant do damage to the shoulder itself.

Yep.

Right hand left uppercut or left uppercut/hook depending on the angle works well too.

[achillesthegreat]

I dont think that he will be able to do it. He needs a jab, Castillo uses a jab when he fights. you need a jab to back Floyd up. Oscar used a jab to back floyd up. Hatton on the other hand has no jab at all. And I think that Floyd will keep the fight in the center of the ring and counter him all night
He had a jab against Magee and that was a guy trying to counter him out of shoulder roll.

Hatton tweaks his approach, depending on the fight.

This jab BS for Floyd is a joke. The guy knows a dozen ways to neutralise a jab.

[Bazooka]

Yep.

Right hand left uppercut or left uppercut/hook depending on the angle works well too.

Kind of the way Byrd would hit Evander in the Shoulder or even Vitali or hell even when Oscar used his jab against Floyd in the midd rounds he landed to the shoulder with it and it was working, if Hatton does that early and effectively meaning a stiff get the fuck off of me jab he can do damage to that rotator cuff taking away teh jab and hook of Floyd.

[Fab2333]

He had a jab against Magee and that was a guy trying to counter him out of shoulder roll.

Hatton tweaks his approach, depending on the fight.

This jab BS for Floyd is a joke. The guy knows a dozen ways to neutralise a jab.]

The jab was working for Oscar, he popped floyd hed back a couple times with the jab. But you are right he does find a way to neutralize it, hey it was jsut another strategy that Hatton could have tried.

[Fab2333]

Kind of the way Byrd would hit Evander in the Shoulder or even Vitali or hell even when Oscar used his jab against Floyd in the midd rounds he landed to the shoulder with it and it was working, if Hatton does that early and effectively meaning a stiff get the fuck off of me jab he can do damage to that rotator cuff taking away teh jab and hook of Floyd.

Only thing FLoyd does change up his defense when he fights, sometimes he might jsut cover up, sometimes he does the shoulder roll, sometimes he does both. Against Zab he used both, I think Floyd is going to give HAtton different looks. I do agree with the strategy you are stating, but HAtton is going to have to use a lot feints as well. If he doesnt feint be4 he throws his shots he can b more effective. B/c floyd moves his right hand to the side he thinks the punches are comin, so the best way to potentially land a good shot is to feint to kind of sike him out, at least thats what my trainer told me. And it seems logical

[Bazooka]

He will have to feint anyways, he is the shorter man, he is going to have to use feints to get anything off, and that Jab to the shoulder area he will have to double it but it will be there Floyd leaves his left hand down low, I see in this fight a Floyd Mayweather elbow cutting Hatton stopping the fight on the accidental foul.

[Fab2333]

He will have to feint anyways, he is the shorter man, he is going to have to use feints to get anything off, and that Jab to the shoulder area he will have to double it but it will be there Floyd leaves his left hand down low, I see in this fight a Floyd Mayweather elbow cutting Hatton stopping the fight on the accidental foul.

2 b honest Bazooka, I think Floyd is going to str8 up and down outclass Hatton, Floyd has too much skill, and he is smart enough to utilize all his skill evrytie he fights. I think Floyd will keep the fight in the center of the ring, and basically jab and left hook him to death. throw a coupple one 2's. I also agree that I think the fight will stop early, but not b/c of an accidental foul. I think floyd will open Hatton up from landed too many shots on him. Hatton bruises easy, thats just how I see it going IMO

[Thread Stealer]

yeah Oscar has always been a devastaing body puncher too:roll:

Oscar's always been a good body puncher, but most of the punches he landed to the body on Floyd were arm punches (or low/borderline).

[Bazooka]

Oscar's always been a good body puncher, but most of the punches he landed to the body on Floyd were arm punches (or low/borderline).

He did land good body shots though in that fight and IMO DLH hits harder than Hatton, everybody is making a big deal out of Ricky stopping Castillo, nobody is considering that maybe Castillo was really done by the time Ricky got him.
its truely pathetic and insane to think that Ricky will beat Floyd because of what he did against Castillo, we dont know if that Corrales fight took something out of Castillo it very well could have plus the move up in weight might not have been such a great idea for the aging Castillo but nobody wants to consider those issues they just want to talk shit as if Ricky has this fight in the books.
Mark my words when this fight takes place Ricky is going to get beat the fuck up, Floyd is going to out think out move out hustle and out score on Hatton all night long and I wouldnt be shocked to see Ricky quit on his stool that is how bad this is going to get.
Yeah Ricky is an aggressor but that is it, he doesnt have anything else that he can add to his game for this fight, and Floyd has made a career off of aggressors like Hatton. The only difference here is that Floyd gets to deliver a Loss on that record of Hattons and nobody can say shit because Ricky is still young.
the way I look at it, Ricky should have stayed away from a fight with Mayweather and should have looked for a fight against Judah or someone else Mayweather is suicide.

[bill poster]

Let's not beat around the bush, Rickys game plan isn't to spend 12 rounds picking holes.

:rofl

perfectly put..

i cant wait for this fight

[bill poster]

I see this fight being a nigel benn style performance- Ricky will neutralise floyds skill by just roughing him up.

[Thread Stealer]

I see this fight being a nigel benn style performance


Yeah, maybe Hatton being Benn and Mayweather being Watson.

[bill poster]

Yeah, maybe Hatton being Benn and Mayweather being Watson.

I was thinking McClellan rather than Watson

[Bummy Davis]

Hatton has to be real fit and make Floyd fight his pace o to the body and be a rythym breaker, fighting off tempo

[Thread Stealer]

I was thinking McClellan rather than Watson

I was half-joking.

I give Ricky a 30% chance of winning.

I can see a scenario similar to Watson-Benn though, where Floyd blocks (and slips) most of Hatton's shots and counters him silly.

[Pimp C]

By breaking his fucking shoulder! That how. The way Cotto did to Gianlanco Branco.
Two problems with this one Hatton doesn't have Cotto's power and two PBF isn't Branco.

[achillesthegreat]

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The jab was working for Oscar, he popped floyd hed back a couple times with the jab. But you are right he does find a way to neutralize it, hey it was jsut another strategy that Hatton could have tried.
It was working a bit for Oscar, he landed some telling jabs rather than none stop. Oscar is rangy and has a very heavy jab given that he is punching from his strong side.

It is not a given that a jab beats Floyd nor Ricky Hatton jabbing beats Floyd.

Agreed, it is just another strategy. A good pumping jump would serve to push him back. Waste less energy getting him to the ropes or in a corner. The odd one may snap his head back. It has its good points.

My main point is one punch isn't suddenly going to beat Floyd or make it easy. Using a jab is about 2% of what needs to be done to be competative and beat Mayweather.

[achillesthegreat]

I was half-joking.

I give Ricky a 30% chance of winning.

I can see a scenario similar to Watson-Benn though, where Floyd blocks (and slips) most of Hatton's shots and counters him silly.
Watson was going through some SERIOUS hurt!

[Alo2006]

Hit to the body, bring those arms down - launch to the head.

DLH tried it, and look what it got him :yep

[Jack]

DLH tried it, and look what it got him :yep
A split decision despite him not having any stamina for about 4 rounds :good

Anyway, Hatton is a unorthodox bodypuncher, so PBF's shoulder roll isn't that important in this fight.

How will PBF deal with Hatton's body shots is more important.

[Toopretty]

I will say this. Floyds philly shell shoulder roll defense and right hand counters is the key to him just beating the brakes off of hatton. Hatton has short arms and cant reach around the twisting mayweather to land a clean body shot like the long armed castillo and ODH were able to do. Hatton has worse defense then both these guys and Hatton does not tuck his chin in when he is fighting. Floyd does not have to worry about landing the overhand right on the brow to hurt his hands. If he punches its going to hit hatton dead in the face. Hatton comes in str8 up and backs up the same way with his gloves real low under his chin in an offensive position. Hatton never had to deal with speed and he will know this come december. When he is in with a fast sharp accurate puncher that is hard to hit.

[Toopretty]

A split decision despite him not having any stamina for about 4 rounds :good

Anyway, Hatton is a unorthodox bodypuncher, so PBF's shoulder roll isn't that important in this fight.

How will PBF deal with Hatton's body shots is more important.

He is unorthodox. But that is more of a minus. Hatton moves to the left side of you and reaches around and has to be in close to get off. That will hurt him more then help. Hatton cant crank a left hook from anywhere but unless he got floyd trapped or floyd coming forward trying to brawl like castillo or any other fighter hatton has fought.

[BoxingGuru]

The usual. He'll run, and won't engage in a real fight.