Floyd Mayweathers biggest win at 140 was a SHOT Gatti

[DaveBrown]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead

[bumdujour]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead

carlos baldomir was good enough to be world champ at 147.good enough for me.

[BeeGee]

thats not an a class fighter.

[kg0208]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead

Here we go again.....be careful, I guarantee you will say something that will contradict your own terms.

If PBF is a fake champion, who is a champion at 147?

[BeeGee]

Floyd's an amazing fighter who either gets way too much credit or not enough credit.

[kg0208]

thats not an a class fighter.

Maybe so, but you can't bash PBF for not fighting the real champion at 140 then not acknowledge that he fought the real one at 147 simply because he doesn't rate highly enough.

Lastly, he neglects to mention why PBF didn't fight the 140 champion. Because the 140 champion didn't want the fight.

[Guru_Too_You]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead

Probably because it took two years for the real champion at 140 to finally agree to fight him.

DUUUUUUH!

[kg0208]

Williams..

he beat the longest reigning champion, he beat the longest ranked champion at 147 and he beat the guy who has actually defended his championship against ranked fighters...

i dont want hear it KG..DONT SAY IT......:deal

ah, ah, ah...dont say it

Don't need to say what you already know.....

But Williams is a good champion.

[Jinx]

well it's too bad Cotto and Hatton wanted no parts of PBF at 140...:hi:

[BeeGee]

Im not knocking floyd for the baldomir fight. Baldo had a belt, why shouldn't he have faced him?

[Fab2333]

Probably because it took two years for the real champion at 140 to finally agree to fight him.

DUUUUUUH!

pretty much:thumbsup

[DaveBrown]

Here we go again.....be careful, I guarantee you will say something that will contradict your own terms.

If PBF is a fake champion, who is a champion at 147?
could you not see i wrote 140

before floyd even fought Carlos. Baldamir had to boil down to 147 to fight Gatti. Then PBF fought Baldamir where TaTa had to KILL himself to make weight. Which means he was very weak.

Floyd beats up a very weight drained fighter to get the linear championship

[Fab2333]

:good

and so was MArgarito

[Guru_Too_You]

could you not see i wrote 140

before floyd even fought Carlos. Baldamir had to boil down to 147 to fight Gatti. Then PBF fought Baldamir where TaTa had to KILL himself to mak weight. Which means he was very weak.

Floyd beats up a very weight drained fighter to get the linear championship


Tata said he was in the best shape of his life.

But we should take your word that a man who was a lifetime welterweight whom never reported having trouble making the weight suddenly did right?

[Fab2333]

could you not see i wrote 140

before floyd even fought Carlos. Baldamir had to boil down to 147 to fight Gatti. Then PBF fought Baldamir where TaTa had to KILL himself to make weight. Which means he was very weak.

Floyd beats up a very weight drained fighter to get the linear championship


whos fault is that? dude walks around at like 180 pounds on the regular. I cant stand when fighters who starve themselves like that use that weight drained xcuse. WTF you thought was going to happen. Fight at your proper weight. That shit is unhealthy. And that aint PBF floyds fault. He came in their expecting to fight the best Baldomir possible. If baldomir wanna starve himself to make 147 and be weak when he fights, then so be it

[kg0208]

could you not see i wrote 140

before floyd even fought Carlos. Baldamir had to boil down to 147 to fight Gatti. Then PBF fought Baldamir where TaTa had to KILL himself to make weight. Which means he was very weak.

Floyd beats up a very weight drained fighter to get the linear championship


Did you not see that you said 2 seperate things? You said he is a fake champion, not specifying the weight. AND then you said he has no crediblity at 140. Not my fault you can't type. You also neglected to mention WHY he didn't fight Hatton...the real champion. Convenient.

Baldomir ALWAYS boils down to 147 from 180. He has for years. No excuse there. Not to mention, he was the 147 champion. Was PBF supposed to say....I'll wait till there is a champion who isn't too heavy for this class to fight him.

[Fab2333]

Did you not see that you said 2 seperate things? You said he is a fake champion, not specifying the weight. AND then you said he has no crediblity at 140. Not my fault you can't type. You also neglected to mention WHY he didn't fight Hatton...the real champion. Convenient.

Baldomir ALWAYS boils down to 147 from 180. He has for years. No excuse there. Not to mention, he was the 147 champion. Was PBF supposed to say....I'll wait till there is a champion who isn't too heavy for this class to fight him.:thumbsup

[eze]

Of course his biggest win is against Gatti.

Cotto and Hatton turned down fights with him. He wanted to fight the top guys the Champ and the Number 1. BOTH Declined what do you want him to do?

[kg0208]

no he was suppose to fight somone who posed as a threat. keep fooling yourself that Baldo was the best available option and Floyd's legacy is better for it.

EVERYBODY knows who Baldo is... regardless if he was the "champ".

shame isnt it?

just like now, that Floyd is fighting a JW.." oh he is o4o ranked" ..what the hell does that mean? HE CANT FIGHT AT WELTER..so he went back down to JW and there are REAL welters OUT THERE to fight
Not gonna respond to this same theory over and over. No poster can bash PBF for not fighting the Champ at 140, then bash him for doing so at 147. End of story.

It is always better to have won the real title than to have won an alphabet one.

[kg0208]

Cmon! Baldomir was a 35yr old journeyman with 9 losses. He beat Zab and Gatti. WHOA!:patsch

He also hadn't lost in 9 years. He also was the champion. You can say what you like. And Zab Judah, the former champion, seems to have been a good enough win for Cotto.

[Pimp C]

He also hadn't lost in 9 years. He also was the champion. You can say what you like. And Zab Judah, the former champion, seems to have been a good enough win for Cotto.
Exactly this double standard shit is ridiculous.

[bumdujour]

thats not an a class fighter.

a real world champion who won the belt in the ring is not an a class fighter??

get a life.:lol:

[Fab2333]

He also hadn't lost in 9 years. He also was the champion. You can say what you like. And Zab Judah, the former champion, seems to have been a good enough win for Cotto.:thumbsup, pretty much couldnt have said it better. People are always going to h8 regarldess. PBF is dammed if he do and dammed if he dont. But you g2 expect that when you just better than your opposition.

At 140 Cotto, and Hatton declined to fight him. Wat people xpect him 2 do, you cant make people sign on the dotted line. If they dont wana fight then they dont wanna fight end of story

[Boyd]

Cmon! Baldomir was a 35yr old journeyman with 9 losses. He beat Zab and Gatti. WHOA!:patschlet me guess though. you thought it was a great win when Cotto beat Zab right?

[Pimp C]

Judah stated that he came in unprepared and undertrained for Baldo because he thought it would be an easy fight for him. When it came to Cotto, Judah stated that he trained his ass off, and was BACK to take what was once his. Everybody knows that Judah is the most inconsistant fighter in the game. Back to Baldomir. He would get beat by EVERY SINGLE TOP WW right now. Cotto, Shane, Cintron, Margo, Clottey was whooping on him until the headbutt DQ, and Paul Williams. Do u not agree?
Zab had a year layoff when he faced Cotto he didn't come in better prepared against Cotto than he did for PBF.:deal

[Fab2333]

Exactly this double standard shit is ridiculous.:thumbsup

[PATSYS]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead Floyds' stint at 140 is pretty ignorable.

[FlatNose]

Ol' Dave Brown doesn't dig Pretty Boy, and WILL NOT be convinced otherwise.
According to D.B., Floyd is vastly over rated. Because Dave doesn't like Mayweather, Hatton will win. I think thats it in an nutshell.

Next topic?

[Fab2333]

Zab had a year layoff when he faced Cotto he didn't come in better prepared against Cotto than he did for PBF.:deal:deal

[Fab2333]

it aint about fighting the "lineal " champ..per say..

Gatti wasnt the best comp at 140 and Baldo certainly wasnt the best comp at 147..

AND YOU KNOW IT :lol:

and MArgarito wasnt the best either. And the champ at 140 didnt want to fight, Cotto aint wanna fight either so wat do you expect Floyd to do?

[Fab2333]

Judah stated that he came in unprepared and undertrained for Baldo because he thought it would be an easy fight for him. When it came to Cotto, Judah stated that he trained his ass off, and was BACK to take what was once his. Everybody knows that Judah is the most inconsistant fighter in the game. Back to Baldomir. He would get beat by EVERY SINGLE TOP WW right now. Cotto, Shane, Cintron, Margo, Clottey was whooping on him until the headbutt DQ, and Paul Williams. Do u not agree?

you believe that BS, Zab trained for Baldomir, he just couldnt believe that he lsot to a less skilled fighter such as Baldomir, so he jus tried to play it off as nothin to get another fight. Zab has looked about the same for his past 3 fights, dont see the difference in him "training his ass off" in the Cotto fight

[pit]

pretty much:thumbsup


G0o0o0o0o0o0o0o00o0t Dame !!!! who is that in your Avatar?!?!

[pit]

Well one thing is for sure. Zab came in better prepared for both Cotto and Floyd, than he did for Baldo. Anyway, your manlove for Floyd negates any argument/s you have regarding Floyd. You said that Floyd beat Zab more convincingly than Cotto did. :-( :patsch

Zab later stated that being off a year and fighting less then 1 round , played it part in his defeat to Cotto.

[Pimp C]

Well one thing is for sure. Zab came in better prepared for both Cotto and Floyd, than he did for Baldo. Anyway, your manlove for Floyd negates any argument/s you have regarding Floyd. You said that Floyd beat Zab more convincingly than Cotto did. :-( :patsch
Once again very subjective. A 12 round boxing lesson can be just as convincing as a 2 round KO. I know your love for toe to toe action prevents you from seeing this that's why I will always say you would be better suited for UFC or toughman because you aren't a fan of boxing but rather of fan of brawling.:hi: If one fighter shows superior defense, footwork or ring generalship it's boring or running by your standards.:-(

[Illmatic]

Gatti was at the high point of his career before he faced PBF. He had won his second world title, and had two dominating kayo defenses of the title over respected Jesse James Leija and a two round destruction of undefeated Dorin.

People blindly think the Gatti of 2005 was the same guy starced by Gomez.

[Fab2333]

Once again very subjective. A 12 round boxing lesson can be just as convincing as a 2 round KO. I know your love for toe to toe action prevents you from seeing this that's why I will always say you would be better suited for UFC or toughman because you aren't a fan of boxing but rather of fan of brawling.:hi: If one fighter shows superior defense, footwork or ring generalship it's boring or running by your standards.:-(

:deal
yup, I think gettin ya ass wooped for 12 rounds str8 is worst than getting knocked out.
1 if you trained your ass off and came in their with a game plan and tried toe xecute it and no matter wat you do you cant hurt ya opponent. But he manges to keep hittin you, and wooping yo ass all night. Not only you gon be hurtin at the end of the fight, but you will be damaged a bit psychologically. Only people who box can understand that, no matter how ahrd you try you cant hurt the person, but they continue to woop ya ass. It kind of demoralizes you. As oppose to just a knockout, if you get a knocked out, you can get up and say lucky shot, and just tell yaself im going to avoid that shot next time. So gettin an ass wooping 4 12rounds is definately worst than being KO IMO

[pit]

Seriously, how can a fighter who lost only 1 round, and finished the fight in a ko, not beat his common opponent more convincingly than the other fighter who lost 3-4 rounds and went the distance with the same guy? How the hell do u come up with that conclusion? Please, stop letting manlove cloud you judgement!

lets see after 3 round with Floyd , Zab was completely shut out , completely shut out, his offense was completely nullified and he was on his way to being KOed until he fouled Floyd and got more then a 10 min rest.
Floyd walked through Zab shots unscaved and was pretty much walking through Zab with little resistance , wheres cotto was in a all out battle with Zab..

[Fab2333]

G0o0o0o0o0o0o0o00o0t Dame !!!! who is that in your Avatar?!?!

lol, you like that, sexy aint she, That's my lil "Angel"
:happy

[pit]

lol, you like that, sexy aint she, That's my lil "Angel"
:happy

Taking that avatar to the bathroom fo sho!!!:lol: :lol:

[pit]

If he was in a "so-called" all out battle with Cotto, how come Zab was only given the 1st round?


come on dude lets not play stupid !! you saw the fight just like everyone else did , cotto had a fight on his hands and it was his strength not his skill that allowed him to outlast Zab.

and no Im not trying to bash Cotto but that is the truth.

If cotto and floyd meet it will be Fred Flintstone Vs George Jetson.
Brute force vs Brains ..

[pit]

If he was in a "so-called" all out battle with Cotto, how come Zab was only given the 1st round?


come on dude lets not play stupid !! you saw the fight just like everyone else did , cotto had a fight on his hands and it was his strength not his skill that allowed him to outlast Zab.

and no Im not trying to bash Cotto but that is the truth.

If cotto and floyd meet it will be Fred Flintstone Vs George Jetson.
Brute force vs Brains ..

[Bazooka]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead

Oscar De La Hoya, End of thread!!!

[Fab2333]

Taking that avatar to the bathroom fo sho!!!:lol: :lol::rofl:rofl:rofl:thumbsup

[Illmatic]

come on dude lets not play stupid !! you saw the fight just like everyone else did , cotto had a fight on his hands and it was his strength not his skill that allowed him to outlast Zab.

and no Im not trying to bash Cotto but that is the truth.

If cotto and floyd meet it will be Fred Flintstone Vs George Jetson.
Brute force vs Brains ..

You should know better than to debate with boxer-haters rather than boxing fans. Zab gave Cotto everything he could handle in that fight, and a well placed punch here and there wouldve knocked down Cotto a couple times. If the fight was at 140, where Cotto was more drained and had lower threshold for punishment, I think Cotto may have lost.

[Illmatic]

come on dude lets not play stupid !! you saw the fight just like everyone else did , cotto had a fight on his hands and it was his strength not his skill that allowed him to outlast Zab.

and no Im not trying to bash Cotto but that is the truth.

If cotto and floyd meet it will be Fred Flintstone Vs George Jetson.
Brute force vs Brains ..

You should know better than to debate with boxer-haters rather than boxing fans. Zab gave Cotto everything he could handle in that fight, and a well placed punch here and there wouldve knocked down Cotto a couple times. If the fight was at 140, where Cotto was more drained and had lower threshold for punishment, I think Cotto may have lost.

[kg0208]

Judah stated that he came in unprepared and undertrained for Baldo because he thought it would be an easy fight for him. When it came to Cotto, Judah stated that he trained his ass off, and was BACK to take what was once his. Everybody knows that Judah is the most inconsistant fighter in the game. Back to Baldomir. He would get beat by EVERY SINGLE TOP WW right now. Cotto, Shane, Cintron, Margo, Clottey was whooping on him until the headbutt DQ, and Paul Williams. Do u not agree?

I see alot of speculation. I am not going to guess, because you cannot prove me wrong nor vice versa. Baldomir was the champion. He had not lost in 9 yrs. Judah lost to him and if Judah came in unprepared, that was Judah's fault. Judah is inconsistant. He is also considered a thug. Judah said BEFORE the fight with Cotto that he was in great shape. He said differently after the fight.

[MacManJr.]

Maybe so, but you can't bash PBF for not fighting the real champion at 140 then not acknowledge that he fought the real one at 147 simply because he doesn't rate highly enough.

Lastly, he neglects to mention why PBF didn't fight the 140 champion. Because the 140 champion didn't want the fight.Excellent points but why are you even entertaining this nonsense? Floyd haters are worse than Kobe haters.

[kg0208]

it aint about fighting the "lineal " champ..per say..

Gatti wasnt the best comp at 140 and Baldo certainly wasnt the best comp at 147..

AND YOU KNOW IT :lol:

Yes, yes it is. The champion is supposed to be the best competition. You cannot just pick and choose who the best is when it fits your needs. When you do, you get the supposed best and most feared WW in the world LOSING, you breaking your word, and me with a homosexual influenced avatar.

[kg0208]

Excellent points but why are you even entertaining this nonsense? Floyd haters are worse than Kobe haters.

I dunno, entertaining their nonsense is somewhat entertaining while I do my boring online classwork lol. Hybrid classes suck, especially when you are older than 80% of the class and they have no idea what you are talking about:deal

[MacManJr.]

Exactly this double standard shit is ridiculous.It will never stop. lol

[MacManJr.]

I dunno, entertaining their nonsense is somewhat entertaining while I do my boring online classwork lol. Hybrid classes suck, especially when you are older than 80% of the class and they have no idea what you are talking about:dealGotcha. It does help the day go by that's for sure!

[MacManJr.]

Funny how the Floydboys are responding to eachothers post, but not mine!:lol:What did you say? I'm not reading the entire thread. I get a 2 hr lunch. :D

[kg0208]

Funny how the Floydboys are responding to eachothers post, but not mine!:lol:

I am not a Floyd boy. Do you expect that when you take an extreme position that anyone who doesn't agree with you is now on the other extreme position?

And I did respond to you.

[kg0208]

MAN, how long you been watching boxing KG.. so sad.
Stop cherry picking, be consistant, and try answering my post.

You cannot bash PBF for not fighting the Lineal champion at 140...which you did all day yesterday and then ride his ass about fighting the champion at 147.

You are changing your criteria for judging a fighter to fit your dislike for him. You can only have it one way.

[kg0208]

im bashing him for not fighting the best. period.

NOW GO GET YOUR SHINE BOX :deal

You are picking and choosing who the best are based on who he didn't fight. Margarito never fought a single champion or beltholder....I don't see you having any problems with his competition. Right?

When PBF fought Gatti, Gatti was not only a beltholder, on a good streak of beating highly rated contenders, but ALSO a top 5 JWW. Judah and Baldomir was top 5 WW. How many of those has Margarito faced?

[Fab2333]

You should know better than to debate with boxer-haters rather than boxing fans. Zab gave Cotto everything he could handle in that fight, and a well placed punch here and there wouldve knocked down Cotto a couple times. If the fight was at 140, where Cotto was more drained and had lower threshold for punishment, I think Cotto may have lost.

yup, Zab couldve knocked Cotto out, but as usual he got over anxious and smothered his punches so his shots couldnt be effective.

[kg0208]

please KG..if you think Baldo was the BEST at 147..then keep thinking that. have fun with that btw..

I for one dont.

If you think Gatti was the best at 140, then go ahead chump, and have fun with that..

why dont you go to the petting zoo and ride a donkey :lol:

You have dodged my questions again.

Baldo was among the best at 147, as was Gatti at 140.

Now, answer my question. Why the double standard for Margarito?

[Asterion]

Ok. Floyd didn`t beat the best at 140 (in part because Hatton avoided him in 2005 after the Tszyu fight). But still Floyd cleaned the 130 division, beat the best at 135, beat the Lineal Champ and former Lineal Champ at 147 and a P4P legend and top ranked fighter at 154. :yep :yep

And in December he'll beat the Light Welterweight Champ and former Welterweight beltholder: Ricky.

[Fab2333]

Margarito aint done shit neither, he dodged all the champions at 147 as well.

[kg0208]

Floyd persued Gatti and Baldo..

END OF STORY..

now go jump off a swing set

You have not answered my question again. He went after top 5 fighters, one of which was a beltholder, one of which was the champion. That's where the story ends.

Margarito? Answer the question......

[kg0208]

persued everyone and made legit offers and was proper;y ranked to be calling out those guys too,

see you know that KG..

and your rebuttle will be then Floyd tried too, which he didnt, he had TWO fights , to fight Gatti, man FloyD was PREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSED.

HE ALSO had and open date and 8 mil to fight Margo and persued Baldo who was just nearly shut out again last weekend cuz he sucks..
Floyds comp sucks..
Carlito, you're a pro at ignoring the facts. PBF had 2 fights to fight Gatti...what is your point. You still trying to push that he could have fought KT? When.....pick a time frame. Before the Mitchell fight? (KT was hurt)....after the Mitchell fight (Hatton was his mandatory)? When?

And yes, PBF went after Baldomir instead of Margarito. He should have. Baldomir lost at 154....whats your point? Margarito just lost too....

Answer my question Carlito...or move on.

[Fab2333]

Carlito, you're a pro at ignoring the facts. PBF had 2 fights to fight Gatti...what is your point. You still trying to push that he could have fought KT? When.....pick a time frame. Before the Mitchell fight? (KT was hurt)....after the Mitchell fight (Hatton was his mandatory)? When?

And yes, PBF went after Baldomir instead of Margarito. He should have. Baldomir lost at 154....whats your point? Margarito just lost too....

Answer my question Carlito...or move on.

He cant answer b/c the facts are staring him right in the face but he doesnt want to admit it. The truth hurts

[pit]

Zab caught Cotto with a few "one and done shots", but there never was a moment where Zab had complete control of the fight. Never!

the point is Zab had his moment with floyd nothing dominating just your average 10-9 but after that he was complete shut out , shut down and out classed in every area.. and what make this even more impressive floyd did not use his speed to beat zab or muscle , he used skill and brains, to say thats not impressive example of pure boxing you have to be a hater..

[pit]

You should know better than to debate with boxer-haters rather than boxing fans. Zab gave Cotto everything he could handle in that fight, and a well placed punch here and there wouldve knocked down Cotto a couple times. If the fight was at 140, where Cotto was more drained and had lower threshold for punishment, I think Cotto may have lost.

yup I agree even when you go back to the hay day of tyson utilized his strength and speed in such away that prevented him from taking the kind punishment cotto took from zab.. Cotto still has some thing to work on like moving his head more but he is definitely there to be hit and hit often, these guy call that type of boxing entertaining but remember they're the same guys that said the same thing about lacy but what do they call Lacy NOW?!?!

[kg0208]

Baldo got BLOWN out, he is an old Journey MAN..

Floyd made zero attempt to fight the best at 140 or 147..live with it, it's true..


why dont you go get a pee wee herman bike and go jump a aligator

So then...you cannot answer my questions. Very well then....

[Fab2333]

Baldo got BLOWN out, he is an old Journey MAN..

Floyd made zero attempt to fight the best at 140 or 147..live with it, it's true..


why dont you go get a pee wee herman bike and go jump a aligator

uhm he tried to fight HAtton, Hattton declined, he tried to fight COtto, Cotto declined.
At 147, he fought the recognized champion, he beat Zab Judah.
WTF are you talkin about carlito
Margarito has made 0 attempt to fight the champions of the 147 pound division.

[Fab2333]

So then...you cannot answer my questions. Very well then....pretty much, he ducking and dodging the ?'s. Dont even bother waisting ya time with him. DOnt even kno why he still posting. He was suppose 2 b gone weeks ago. Dude Cant keep his word

[Ramshall1]

. . . and he cried like a little biitch. . .as if he beat Joe Frazier. What a fake ass punk.

[41fever]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead
PBF is an excellent boxer. Now his oppoonents post-Castillo are very questionable. He's human. If you fought a mack truck in Castillo you would probably react the same. The 1st Castillo-PBF fight I gave to JLCastillo. From 130, he had a vision to conquer each weight class by taking out the best fighter in each. JLC changed his goals and he uses other excuses to reach his height in significance. He IS a great and superb boxer, but some fighters don't have it in terms of true desire to be the very best and push themselves to the limit.

41fever, baby...FRISKO, HOLLY COURTS JECTS whaaaaaaa

[Ramshall1]

PBF is an excellent boxer. Now his oppoonents post-Castillo are very questionable. He's human. If you fought a mack truck in Castillo you would probably react the same. The 1st Castillo-PBF fight I gave to JLCastillo. From 130, he had a vision to conquer each weight class by taking out the best fighter in each. JLC changed his goals and he uses other excuses to reach his height in significance. He IS a great and superb boxer, but some fighters don't have it in terms of true desire to be the very best and push themselves to the limit.

41fever, baby...FRISKO, HOLLY COURTS JECTS whaaaaaaa

in other words, the Castillo fight took his balls away and he never got them back. . . I agree.

[Fab2333]

:lol:

dude go slap your self and jump in a swamp

Margarito was an overrated boxer, and got exposed for what he was against PW. Cant understand why people think he has skills. Shit is mindboggling

[Fab2333]

dude you are mind boggling.

lemme ask you a ? you actually think that Antonio Margarito has boxing skill?
Be honest with yourself?
No BS if you can justify ya answer I will leave MArgarito alone 4ever. DO you really believe that he has skill?

[kg0208]

Like I said. The question to be asked of PBF was why he didn't fight the higher ranked Harris at 140....not KT who was injured, or Hatton who turned him down. That argument is valid, despite Harris losing to Maussa later on.

[Fab2333]

u sound dumb. bye

How do I sound dumb?
answer the ?
I can look at fighters and say
EX: WInky Wright, FLoyd, Bernard, Miguel Cotto, etc. they all have skill, miguel is more of a pressure fighter than a pure boxer, but i think he has some skill.
AM on the other hand he dont got none. Hes wack.
Anyone with decent handspeed and foot movement can beat him.

He looks like an amateur fighter to me. He has no jab, granted evry boxer doesnt use their jab either, but they make up for it with soemthing else. He doesnt, he has no jab, his hooks are wider than Hookers on the corners insides, his hands are slow, he has ok power. He doesnt move his head, he is easy to hit, hes not agile

Only thing he got going 4 him is chin and heart. Thats about it, but skill, things that boxers are suppose 2 possess. He dont got it.
Hes a pressure fighter, and he cant even perfect his craft to suit his own style. He got beat by PW at his own game. He fought decent competition but they mostly were C class or B- fighters at most, and the one time he stepped up in class against a B class fighter he losses.
I could never understand wat people see in him. If some1 could explain it 2 me I would appreciate it.
And to say that he could beat Floyd i thought that was the funniest thing I have ever heard. He lost to a lesser skilled fighter than Floyd, but yet people expect he can beat the best right now.

[Ramshall1]

lemme ask you a ? you actually think that Antonio Margarito has boxing skill?
Be honest with yourself?
No BS if you can justify ya answer I will leave MArgarito alone 4ever. DO you really believe that he has skill?

sure he doesnt have the "skills" of FMJ . . . but he has courage - something Fraud is lacking. Ill always be a fan of the guy with less skill and more courage. . .than the guy with skill and no courage.

[Fab2333]

sure he doesnt have the "skills" of FMJ . . . but he has courage - something Fraud is lacking. Ill always be a fan of the guy with less skill and more courage. . .than the guy with skill and no courage.

I didnt say he had to have skills like Floyd now, if I was basing it off that then a lot of people would b "wack". Im jus sayin in general he doesnt have skill period. I said he has heart, I give him props for that. But as far as boxing skill. I dont see it

[Fab2333]

dude please.. you dont get where Marg is by having no skill. he got skills. he just dont have Mayweather skills...

he would mop you up son

ok im done talkin 2 u b/c you sound foolish now. I will talk 2 anyone that has some sort of boxing knowledge, or people that have boxed. Not fanboys who dont kno shit about boxing. You some Larry Merchant type, criticizing people on what they do, but yet he never had the balls to step foot in a ring. Im done talkin 2 u, learn somethin about boxing 1st dogs and then come back

[Fab2333]

dude please.. you dont get where Marg is by having no skill. he got skills. he just dont have Mayweather skills...

he would mop you up son

he dont got skills period.

Lets list all the things he does well to all the things he doesnt or dont posess rather

NO jab
NO Speed
NO Agility
Throws Wide Punches
NO Headmovement
Defense is Suspect
He is very easy 2 hit
Punches easily telegraphed

He has decent power
He has heart
other than that he has nothin, so that = no skill. He has intangibles which is good, but as far as skill, he dont got it dude

[Ramshall1]

I didnt say he had to have skills like Floyd now, if I was basing it off that then a lot of people would b "wack". Im jus sayin in general he doesnt have skill period. I said he has heart, I give him props for that. But as far as boxing skill. I dont see it

If youre saying he doesnt have top leve "skill" but makes up for it with courage, heart and hard work. . . then thats reasonable. . . if youre saying he has "no skill period" then you are trully ignorant.

[Illmatic]

man I have been in the ring, and have gotten my arse kicked in the ring...

and didnt cherry pick who I was gonna go rounds with either, Coach said get in with him and I did, everytime..

dont get KO'd homie :twisted:

plus you are dissin marg, someone who turned pro at 15 in mexico and saying he has no skill yet he has fought atleast three guys in the current top ten and beat two of them,

man, please shut it :patsch

How many rounds of experience can a 12 year old possibly have?

[Fab2333]

man I have been in the ring, and have gotten my arse kicked in the ring...

and didnt cherry pick who I was gonna go rounds with either, Coach said get in with him and I did, everytime..

dont get KO'd homie :twisted:

plus you are dissin marg, someone who turned pro at 15 in mexico and saying he has no skill yet he has fought atleast three guys in the current top ten and beat two of them,

man, please shut it :patsch

KO'ed by who hahaa, please save me the laughter.
I dont give a f**k when he turned pro, he coulda turned pro from when he was 10 that dont make him a better boxer than anyone else. Shit anyone can turn pro, all it is is signing some pa. He turned pro at 15 like thats suppose to mean somethin, if ne thing he shoulda trained an xtra 3yrs and mayb he woulda learned how to be more fundamentally sound. The earlier you turn pro dont mean that you necessarily better than evry1 else. And look hes been a pro sicne he was 15, and yet he is still wack, so what does that say for himself:-(.

[Fab2333]

If youre saying he doesnt have top leve "skill" but makes up for it with courage, heart and hard work. . . then thats reasonable. . . if youre saying he has "no skill period" then you are trully ignorant.

both he dont got top level skill
f**k it he dont got skill period.

no jab, no agility, handspeed is slow, throws wide punchesm easy to hit, punches easy to telgraph, defense is shaky. I mean the list goes on and on from the things he doesnt have or posess. So why am I going to say he has skill.
I mean damn, they are other fighters that have some of these things, they may not b at top level yet. But you can say dude got some skills, he jsut need to work on it somemore and mayb he can give a couple heads trouble. FOr MArgorito you cant say that

[Fab2333]

does CloTTEY, CINTRON OR WILLIAMS have skill?

Williams does, he can be a beast at Welter b/c he's tall, if he works on the skills he already possess he can give people probles

Cintron is aight he can get better as well. Power is there
CLottey is alright as well.

The three of them still have more skill than Margorito

I know Margo beat 2 of the 3. But that dont negate the fact they had more skill
Margo was the better man that night, a rematch against any 3 of them and I think Margo gets his ass handed to him

RJ vs Tarver, Tarver has way less skills than RJ but he still beat him. Tarver was the better man that night as well

[Fab2333]

Cintron and CLottey im not too impressed with either. But I will rock with them 4 the sense of this arguement

[digiram]

:thumbsup, pretty much couldnt have said it better. People are always going to h8 regarldess. PBF is dammed if he do and dammed if he dont. But you g2 expect that when you just better than your opposition.

At 140 Cotto, and Hatton declined to fight him. Wat people xpect him 2 do, you cant make people sign on the dotted line. If they dont wana fight then they dont wanna fight end of story

You don't know how badly I want to bone the current chick in your avatar.

Tiny waste with an ass so fat :admin

[Fab2333]

You don't know how badly I want to bone the current chick in your avatar.

Tiny waste with an ass so fat :admin

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Ramshall1]

Williams does, he can be a beast at Welter b/c he's tall, if he works on the skills he already possess he can give people probles

Cintron is aight he can get better as well. Power is there
CLottey is alright as well.

The three of them still have more skill than Margorito

I know Margo beat 2 of the 3. But that dont negate the fact they had more skill
Margo was the better man that night, a rematch against any 3 of them and I think Margo gets his ass handed to him

RJ vs Tarver, Tarver has way less skills than RJ but he still beat him. Tarver was the better man that night as well

again if you say he is "less skilled" and makes up for it in other areas. . . then thats reasonable. . . if you say he has "NO SKILL" you simply being a jackass. . . no two ways about it.

[Fab2333]

you owend yourself.

:lol:

why do they have to had his ass to him in a rematch ??

I cant remember which fight it was but one of them was wooping Margorito's ass. ANd he barely won. I remembered he looked horrible in the fight. I cant even argue cuz I cant remember who it was. So ima leave that alone, ima let you get that one. But fact of the matter is he got no skill period

[Fab2333]

again if you say he is "less skilled" and makes up for it in other areas. . . then thats reasonable. . . if you say he has "NO SKILL" you simply being a jackass. . . no two ways about it.

Ok ramshall wat is your definition of skills?

If have a good heart, and decent power is your definition then you got it.
But from my perspective its not.
Just having power and heart doesnt make you have skills to me. So wats your definition?

[Toopretty]

Carlito you are still the second dumbest floyd hatingest galloot out there. You dont make any sense. Cotto at 140, ARUM SAID NO, Hatton 140, HATTON AND CAMP SAID NO WAY, TSYU CHOSE TO FIGHT HATTON WHEN FLOYD WAS PRESSING FOR A FIGHT THEN RETIRED. As far as 147 is concerned Margarito was a nothing fighter. A win over him dont mean shit, as you see with Williams now. He is still an unknown champion and needs more fights to be main stream. When you are in floyds position you dont fight overhyped no skilled boxers when you are on a mission to obtain as many WBC championships as possible. If you knew about floyds career, he never gave a shit about those alphabet belts and always fought the WBC champ b/c those are the belts worn by the past great fighters that have lineage. Why go for a shitty WBO belt. For what, Williams got it and all the other welters are involved in big money ppv fights and Williams is still left out. Margarito aint shit now either. Floyd is going on another ppv extravaganza. So shut up. :scaredas: :hey :hey :hey :hey

[Toopretty]

I hate you fab.......:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[Fab2333]

I hate you fab.......:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

lol, my bad, I g2 keep coming with different pics for all the boys on ESB. Did you see the one I had be4, ima put it back up 4 you hol on

[Ramshall1]

Ok ramshall wat is your definition of skills?

If have a good heart, and decent power is your definition then you got it.
But from my perspective its not.
Just having power and heart doesnt make you have skills to me. So wats your definition?

this is just dumb. . . you act as if he's a 147 lb Butterbean.
and yes, developing power is a skill, developing the cardio it takes to throw nearly 100 punches per round is a skill, mustering up the courage it takes to fight the style he fights is a skill. Its not like he falls over every time he throws a power punch like Ruiz.

Besides, no way does a guy with "no skill" live in the top 5 or so WW rankings in ring mag for that long.

[eze]

Floyd biggest win was the fact that he was able to be recognized as the best without having to fight them. Simple they weren't ready for him.

[Fab2333]

this is just dumb. . . you act as if he's a 147 lb Butterbean.
and yes, developing power is a skill, developing the cardio it takes to throw nearly 100 punches per round is a skill, mustering up the courage it takes to fight the style he fights is a skill. Its not like he falls over every time he throws a power punch like Ruiz.

Besides, no way does a guy with "no skill" live in the top 5 or so WW rankings in ring mag for that long.

ok ramshall we arent going to get anywhere with this, so ima jus let it be.
Another day cuz im tired of going back and forth on the issue. So ima leave him alone 4 2day

[eze]

this is just dumb. . . you act as if he's a 147 lb Butterbean.
and yes, developing power is a skill, developing the cardio it takes to throw nearly 100 punches per round is a skill, mustering up the courage it takes to fight the style he fights is a skill. Its not like he falls over every time he throws a power punch like Ruiz.

Besides, no way does a guy with "no skill" live in the top 5 or so WW rankings in ring mag for that long.

Simple you fight people who don't even deserve shots at the WBO title

[Fab2333]

Simple you fight people who don't even deserve shots at the WBO title:happy, I wanted to say that, but I dont wanna continue it. SO you can pick up where i left off lol. Im done with Margarito lol

[eze]

:happy, I wanted to say that, but I dont wanna continue it. SO you can pick up where i left off lol. Im done with Margarito lol

hehe. Margo is a bum and a nobody and was big time overrated.

[Ramshall1]

Simple you fight people who don't even deserve shots at the WBO title

Pure ignorance. . .
I guess Cintron didnt deserve nothing. . . is that why he is top ten WW again?

[eze]

Pure ignorance. . .
I guess Cintron didnt deserve nothing. . . is that why he is top ten WW again?

Ill give you Cintron. But what about the other fighters.

Pure ignorance.

[Ramshall1]

:happy, I wanted to say that, but I dont wanna continue it. SO you can pick up where i left off lol. Im done with Margarito lol

if your done your done. . . dont piggy back off some other idiots posts. . . oh yeah, your a Floyd fan, so you have to post like a coward.

[Ramshall1]

Ill give you Cintron. But what about the other fighters.

Pure ignorance.

you mean the ones who ducked him like Zab and FMJ. . . or the one who said he wasnt ready to fight him like Shane.

[psychopath]

Floyd is FAKE champion and has no credabilty at 140.

since Castillo, name me an A - Class fighter he has fought??

:dead:dead

Floyd has only 3 fights at 140. Corley, Bruseles and Gatti. He fought Castillo at 135 so don't be comfused.

Nah Floyd is not a fake champion buddy . . . you're just hating. :yep :lol: :D

[Fab2333]

if your done your done. . . dont piggy back off some other idiots posts. . . oh yeah, your a Floyd fan, so you have to post like a coward.

Not at all, I was going to post b/c he has a belt, but dude beat me to it. I like FLoyd as a fighter, you like Margo as a fighter, what does that have to do with me posting. :huh

[eze]

you mean the ones who ducked him like Zab and FMJ. . . or the one who said he wasnt ready to fight him like Shane.


Ducked? What is there to duck, maybe just wide looping punches :patsch



Margo needed to prove himself and get a WIN over Williams would of did that but he failed to do that.


Margo has done nothing to be worry of a top PPV fight against the top men. Even with his WBO he was still considered just a top 15 contender.


Zab ducked Margo yea. Zab was the WW champ I dont think hes gonna search for a fight with a person who he would gain nothing from.

PBF. Oh please. Lets see, go after a fighter with the WBO shit belt that has proven nothing. Or go after the linear ww title. And beat the current champ and the champ before him.

Baldomir win bigger then margo.

[Ramshall1]

Not at all, I was going to post b/c he has a belt, but dude beat me to it. I like FLoyd as a fighter, you like Margo as a fighter, what does that have to do with me posting. :huh

you said you were done with the topic, so I didnt respond. Then you piggy back off some jackass's post - typicall of a Fraud fan.

[Ramshall1]

Ducked? What is there to duck, maybe just wide looping punches :patsch



Margo needed to prove himself and get a WIN over Williams would of did that but he failed to do that.


Margo has done nothing to be worry of a top PPV fight against the top men. Even with his WBO he was still considered just a top 15 contender.


Zab ducked Margo yea. Zab was the WW champ I dont think hes gonna search for a fight with a person who he would gain nothing from.

PBF. Oh please. Lets see, go after a fighter with the WBO shit belt that has proven nothing. Or go after the linear ww title. And beat the current champ and the champ before him.

Baldomir win bigger then margo.

The greedy Fraud left money on the table to avoid Margarito.
There were talks of Zab facing the Cintron/AM winner. . . until AM utterly destroyed Cintron. . . then Zab and DK went running for cover.

Aleast SHane was honest enough to say he wasnt ready to fight AM.

[Fab2333]

you said you were done with the topic, so I didnt respond. Then you piggy back off some jackass's post - typicall of a Fraud fan.
Ok Mr. Ramshall relax, b/c like I said i was going to post that be4 I left it alone. But wateva you say dude, its not thats serious

[eze]

you said you were done with the topic, so I didnt respond. Then you piggy back off some jackass's post - typicall of a Fraud fan.

Some jackass? Just because I disagree with you Im a jackass?

You're a fucking retard who supports a stupid mother fucking fighter who comes from CALIFORNIA but cant even speak any english, and hes a fucking shitty ass fighter. If Floyd fought him and kicked his ass you'd be claiming why the fuck did Floyd fight Margo instead of Baldo, look hes ducking him.


No one can win with you, your like a fucking mentally challenged kid in school, even though your wrong, you think your right. Why? Because you're fucking retarded.

[JMotrain]

Ducked? What is there to duck, maybe just wide looping punches :patsch



Margo needed to prove himself and get a WIN over Williams would of did that but he failed to do that.


Margo has done nothing to be worry of a top PPV fight against the top men. Even with his WBO he was still considered just a top 15 contender.


Zab ducked Margo yea. Zab was the WW champ I dont think hes gonna search for a fight with a person who he would gain nothing from.

PBF. Oh please. Lets see, go after a fighter with the WBO shit belt that has proven nothing. Or go after the linear ww title. And beat the current champ and the champ before him.

Baldomir win bigger then margo.
You're pretty dumb...

[Ramshall1]

Some jackass? Just because I disagree with you Im a jackass?

You're a fucking retard who supports a stupid mother fucking fighter who comes from CALIFORNIA but cant even speak any english, and hes a fucking shitty ass fighter. If Floyd fought him and kicked his ass you'd be claiming why the fuck did Floyd fight Margo instead of Baldo, look hes ducking him.


No one can win with you, your like a fucking mentally challenged kid in school, even though your wrong, you think your right. Why? Because you're fucking retarded.

what does speaking english have to do with anything???? :patsch
you just proved you are a jackass.

[eze]

You're pretty dumb...

Yes. Cause PBF ducked Margo.


You are right Im wrong. :patsch

[eze]

what does speaking english have to do with anything???? :patsch
you just proved you are a jackass.

You just proved you are a dumb mother fucker just like every other Margo nuthugger who thinks Margo beat Williams and deserves to fight Floyd.

[JMotrain]

Margarito beat Cintron and Clottey, two top ranked guys. He fought Williams and dropped a close decision that could have gone his way.

All Floyd did was fight a journeymen who got lucky to get his hands on the title, when their were more deserving guys out there who Baldomir should have faced (like Margo for one).

[eze]

Margarito beat Cintron and Clottey, two top ranked guys. He fought Williams and dropped a close decision that could have gone his way.

All Floyd did was fight a journeymen who got lucky to get his hands on the title, when their were more deserving guys out there who Baldomir should have faced (like Margo for one).


Ill give you Cintron.

Clottey was easily beating him until he hurt himself and although margo still won, it flawed his reputation.

Then we saw Williams close but clearly beat Margo.

Floyd fought a journeyman in a warm up fight at 147. Then fought the current champ and then the past champ before that. IMO Sharmba Mitchell is better then most the fighters margo has beat at 147.


Baldo like it or not was the champ had a win over Zab and was the lineal WW.

lets say Baldo had the WBO belt and Margo was the lineal belt holder. And PBF Fought Baldo instead then i'd agree 100% Floyd ducked Margo but its not like that so why argue?

[Ramshall1]

You just proved you are a dumb mother fucker just like every other Margo nuthugger who thinks Margo beat Williams and deserves to fight Floyd.

further proving yourself to be a jackass. . . I never said AM beat PW. . .I scored it for PW and gave him props for winning on this site.

Keep posting and exposing your stupidity.

[Ramshall1]

Margarito beat Cintron and Clottey, two top ranked guys. He fought Williams and dropped a close decision that could have gone his way.

All Floyd did was fight a journeymen who got lucky to get his hands on the title, when their were more deserving guys out there who Baldomir should have faced (like Margo for one).

exactly, at some points the WW linear is very weak. . .like when Mayo had it and when Baldy had it.

These Fraud groupies act is if AM isnt a bigger threat to FMJ than Baldy. . . its just plain stupid.

[eze]

further proving yourself to be a jackass. . . I never said AM beat PW. . .I scored it for PW and gave him props for winning on this site.

Keep posting and exposing your stupidity.


Too bad the servers went down or I'd go back and link all your post saying Margo got jipped. :patsch

Keep posting and exposing how much much a hugger you are.

You might want some mouthwash for all the dick sucking you've been doing as well.

[JMotrain]

exactly, at some points the WW linear is very weak. . .like when Mayo had it and when Baldy had it.

These Fraud groupies act is if AM isnt a bigger threat to FMJ than Baldy. . . its just plain stupid.

Baldy isn't a threat to any top 20 welterweight. The Judah from the Cotto or Floyd fight would beat him. AM would have given him a worse beating than Forrest did.

Clottey, Cinton, Collazo, Berto, Williams, they would all beat Baldomir, and they would all be the best welterweight out there... wait no.

[eze]

And if Floyd went and kicked margos ass, and didn't fight Baldo. We'd be sitting here talking about how Floyd ducked the "TRUE" lineal WW.

[Ramshall1]

Too bad the servers went down or I'd go back and link all your post saying Margo got jipped. :patsch

Keep posting and exposing how much much a hugger you are.

You might want some mouthwash for all the dick sucking you've been doing as well.

keep lying you fukc scumbag.
I gave PW props for seeking the fight and winning, Im a boxing fan. . . you are a Fraud Mayrunner Nut Nuzzler.

[bigtime9]

And if Floyd went and kicked margos ass, and didn't fight Baldo. We'd be sitting here talking about how Floyd ducked the "TRUE" lineal WW.


they are quite predictable:deal

[JMotrain]

And if Floyd went and kicked margos ass, and didn't fight Baldo. We'd be sitting here talking about how Floyd ducked the "TRUE" lineal WW.


Just shows what a joke lineal means. Margo was far more proven and had a better record than Baldomir. I would have given Floyd a lot more respect for fighting Margorito over Baldomir, but 8 millions dollars to fight a bum isn't enough in Floyd's eyes.

[Ramshall1]

Baldy isn't a threat to any top 20 welterweight. The Judah from the Cotto or Floyd fight would beat him. AM would have given him a worse beating than Forrest did.

Clottey, Cinton, Collazo, Berto, Williams, they would all beat Baldomir, and they would all be the best welterweight out there... wait no.

exactly, these Fraud Groupies cant see reality for the Ellerbe nuts covering their eyes.

[Asterion]

And if Floyd went and kicked margos ass, and didn't fight Baldo. We'd be sitting here talking about how Floyd ducked the "TRUE" lineal WW.


Yup

[eze]

Just shows what a joke lineal means. Margo was far more proven and had a better record than Baldomir. I would have given Floyd a lot more respect for fighting Margorito over Baldomir, but 8 millions dollars to fight a bum isn't enough in Floyd's eyes.

A joke?

oh please, anything Floyd does wont even satisfy you, you both are simply haters.

[Ramshall1]

And if Floyd went and kicked margos ass, and didn't fight Baldo. We'd be sitting here talking about how Floyd ducked the "TRUE" lineal WW.


Floyd kick AM's ass?????:lol: :lol: :lol:

The coward ran from Baldomir for fukcs sake. . . he would run out the ring of AM was coming at him.

[Asterion]

Floyd could beat Hatton and Mosley/Cotto winner and then this haters would say he is still cherry picking because he hasn't fought Paul Williams and Cory Spinks. :rofl :rofl

[eze]

Floyd kick AM's ass?????:lol: :lol: :lol:

The coward ran from Baldomir for fukcs sake. . . he would run out the ring of AM was coming at him.

Floyd walks around at 146ish

Baldo walks around 185ish.

Yes lets stand and trade.

[Ramshall1]

Floyd walks around at 146ish

Baldo walks around 185ish.

Yes lets stand and trade.

then move down in weight and dont claim to be the best from 154 on down.

[bigtime9]

Floyd walks around at 146ish

Baldo walks around 185ish.

Yes lets stand and trade.

somebody just got owned:lol:

[kg0208]

then move down in weight and dont claim to be the best from 154 on down.

You have to stand and trade to be the best? Wow...news to everyone.

[Ramshall1]

You have to stand and trade to be the best? Wow...news to everyone.

why are the only two choices stand and trade . . or run???
theres a such thingas an entertaining medium . . .see a prime Shane/DLH/Rafa Marquez/Taylor/Toney etc

[eze]

then move down in weight and dont claim to be the best from 154 on down.

When did standing and trading become mandotory? Can you show me in the rules where it is cause I must be blind.

[eze]

why are the only two choices stand and trade . . or run???
theres a such thingas an entertaining medium . . .see a prime Shane/DLH/Rafa Marquez/Taylor/Toney etc


Its called hitting and not getting hit. Im starting to think you are just jealous of Floyd..

And only want him to lose because hes beat every fighter hes faced that you've liked.

[Ramshall1]

Its called hitting and not getting hit. Im starting to think you are just jealous of Floyd..

And only want him to lose because hes beat every fighter hes faced that you've liked.

nice way of ducking the question, must be a Fraud fan.

why are the only two choices stand and trade . . or run???
theres a such thingas an entertaining medium . . .see a prime Shane/DLH/Rafa Marquez/Taylor/Toney etc

[BigReg]

why are the only two choices stand and trade . . or run???
theres a such thingas an entertaining medium . . .see a prime Shane/DLH/Rafa Marquez/Taylor/Toney etc

I understand what you're saying but, besides DLH, Floyd is making more money than all of those guys, is undefeated, is considered a better fighter than all of them, is a relatively big ppv draw, and is starting to come on strong as far as mainstream appeal. Why would he change the way he fights? There would seem to be no good reason for him to change.

[eze]

nice way of ducking the question, must be a Fraud fan.

why are the only two choices stand and trade . . or run???
theres a such thingas an entertaining medium . . .see a prime Shane/DLH/Rafa Marquez/Taylor/Toney etc




You are only giving him two choices. Calling him a pussy for not doing one and doing the other.


Boxing is hitting and not being hit. Counter punching which is what Floyd does when he backs up. Hes a defensive fighter you want him to completely change and become Gatti.

[Ramshall1]

I understand what you're saying but, besides DLH, Floyd is making more money than all of those guys, is undefeated, is considered a better fighter than all of them, is a relatively big ppv draw, and is starting to come on strong as far as mainstream appeal. Why would he change the way he fights? There would seem to be no good reason for him to change.

I understand what youre saying, , , but FMJ is not a PPV draw on his own. . . thats why he was reduced to kissing DLH's ass to sign the fight and kissed his ass to beg for a rematch. . . if he didnt run so much in the ring maybe he could draw on his own like DLH does.

[eze]

I understand what youre saying, , , but FMJ is not a PPV draw on his own. . . thats why he was reduced to kissing DLH's ass to sign the fight and kissed his ass to beg for a rematch. . . if he didnt run so much in the ring maybe he could draw on his own like DLH does.

Not a PPV draw? Hes got better PPV figures then EM vs Pac...

[Ramshall1]

You are only giving him two choices. Calling him a pussy for not doing one and doing the other.


Boxing is hitting and not being hit. Counter punching which is what Floyd does when he backs up. Hes a defensive fighter you want him to completely change and become Gatti.

No, I simply dont want him to run. . . he doesnt have to become Chavez.

you still havent answered the question, and no I'm not the one who gave him only two choices. . . you did. I pointed out several boxers who dont brawl or run.

[Ramshall1]

Not a PPV draw? Hes got better PPV figures then EM vs Pac...

his opponant is almost always the main draw.

[BigReg]

I understand what youre saying, , , but FMJ is not a PPV draw on his own. . . thats why he was reduced to kissing DLH's ass to sign the fight and kissed his ass to beg for a rematch. . . if he didnt run so much in the ring maybe he could draw on his own like DLH does.

Good point. However, there's alot of good fighters between 140-154. And pretty much all of them want to fight Floyd. So even if he isn't a ppv draw by himself, he can always fight Shane, or Cotto, or anyone else who's popular and do good ppv numbers. He did over 300k for the Baldo fight, so I don't see him doing below 300k anytime soon.

[eze]

his opponant is almost always the main draw.

Yes cause baldo was a huge draw :patsch

[kg0208]

why are the only two choices stand and trade . . or run???
theres a such thingas an entertaining medium . . .see a prime Shane/DLH/Rafa Marquez/Taylor/Toney etc
You're the one who's making it only two choices. He was obviously stationary long enough to hit him more than Baldomir hit him.

On top of this, PBF was often in the pocket against Baldomir simply countering. Until he hurt his hand. It's not my fault you are not crediting him with this.

And you ARE the one making it about only 2 choices.

[Ramshall1]

Good point. However, there's alot of good fighters between 140-154. And pretty much all of them want to fight Floyd. So even if he isn't a ppv draw by himself, he can always fight Shane, or Cotto, or anyone else who's popular and do good ppv numbers. He did over 300k for the Baldo fight, so I don't see him doing below 300k anytime soon.
I can see that, I just dont like the running style and I think it turns alot of fans off to boxing. A few old timers enjoy it I geuss, to each their own.

[Ramshall1]

You're the one who's making it only two choices. He was obviously stationary long enough to hit him more than Baldomir hit him.

On top of this, PBF was often in the pocket against Baldomir simply countering. Until he hurt his hand. It's not my fault you are not crediting him with this.

And you ARE the one making it about only 2 choices.

I pointed out several boxers . . who arent brawlers or runners .. . I guess I should re=post for the slow ones. . . SHane/DLH/Marquez/Toney/Taylor.

heres another one for you. . . the FMJ that fought Gatti was brilliant. . . didnt run, didnt brawl, but was very entertaining. . . .the Floyd that fought Baldy simply ran like a scared rabbit. . . the Floyd that fought DLH didnt run as much but was still pretty boring and it was his fault the fight didnt come close to living up to the hype.

[eze]

I pointed out several boxers . . who arent brawlers or runners .. . I guess I should re=post for the slow ones. . . SHane/DLH/Marquez/Toney/Taylor.

heres another one for you. . . the FMJ that fought Gatti was brilliant. . . didnt run, didnt brawl, but was very entertaining. . . .the Floyd that fought Baldy simply ran like a scared rabbit. . . the Floyd that fought DLH didnt run as much but was still pretty boring and it was his fault the fight didnt come close to living up to the hype.


Three 3 different fighers 3 different styles. What do you expect? :patsch

[Ramshall1]

Three 3 different fighers 3 different styles. What do you expect? :patsch

he runs too much.

[Lance_Uppercut]

W/o reading 13 pages of nuthugging and arguing, can some Floyd fan tell me what Mayweather's BIGGEST win @ 140 was if it isn't Gatti?

[kg0208]

I pointed out several boxers . . who arent brawlers or runners .. . I guess I should re=post for the slow ones. . . SHane/DLH/Marquez/Toney/Taylor.

heres another one for you. . . the FMJ that fought Gatti was brilliant. . . didnt run, didnt brawl, but was very entertaining. . . .the Floyd that fought Baldy simply ran like a scared rabbit. . . the Floyd that fought DLH didnt run as much but was still pretty boring and it was his fault the fight didnt come close to living up to the hype.
I think you're a little slow. They are all stand and trade fighters. Some are slicker about it. Their defense is entirely different than PBF's and so are their styles. Stand and trade vs runner are not styles...they are tactics.

PBF wasn't running against Baldomir. If they wanted them to not use foot movement, the ring would be smaller. PBF against Gatti still used the ring. He didn't use it as much because Gatti didn't have the ability to lay on PBF and make him tired.

The obvious point is this. What PBF does is not running. Spinks is a runner. He literally turns his back and doesn't counter. PBF moves out of range, then comes right back in. You don't acknowledge this. You make it seem as though PBF moving out of range is the same as what Spinks does and its not.

[eze]

W/o reading 13 pages of nuthugging and arguing, can some Floyd fan tell me what Mayweather's BIGGEST win @ 140 was if it isn't Gatti?

It was gatti.

Theres no argument

but his biggest win if you think about it are getting the two top fighters to turn down fights for basically not being on Mayweathers level.

[Alo2006]

well it's too bad Cotto and Hatton wanted no parts of PBF at 140...:hi:

Exactly :bbb

[Ramshall1]

I think you're a little slow. They are all stand and trade fighters. Some are slicker about it. Their defense is entirely different than PBF's and so are their styles. Stand and trade vs runner are not styles...they are tactics.

PBF wasn't running against Baldomir. If they wanted them to not use foot movement, the ring would be smaller. PBF against Gatti still used the ring. He didn't use it as much because Gatti didn't have the ability to lay on PBF and make him tired.

The obvious point is this. What PBF does is not running. Spinks is a runner. He literally turns his back and doesn't counter. PBF moves out of range, then comes right back in. You don't acknowledge this. You make it seem as though PBF moving out of range is the same as what Spinks does and its not.

stand and trade is Corrales and JLC - they are offense heavy fighters. . . .SHane/DLH/Toney/Taylor are boxers. . . they have a more even mix of offense and defense. . . whereas Spinks, Mallignagi, FMJ are defense heavy runners for the most part. . .granted Pauly and FMJ are not as bad as Spinks.

[kg0208]

stand and trade is Corrales and JLC - they are offense heavy fighters. . . .SHane/DLH/Toney/Taylor are boxers. . . they have a more even mix of offense and defense. . . whereas Spinks, Mallignagi, FMJ are defense heavy runners for the most part. . .granted Pauly and FMJ are not as bad as Spinks.

No, the abovie ALL stand and trade. They have different styles that allow them to stand in there and not get hit as much. Stand and trade is a tactic, not a style.

PBF's style adjusts based on who he is fighting. That is a smart thing to do.

[kg0208]

It's a style for some and a tactic for others..

No, its only a tactic. Williams and Margarito stand and trade. They have different ways of going about it. It is ALWAYS a tactic.

[Toopretty]

Stand in trade.think about it...its a tactic. Nobody says I am practicing my stand in trade style. Lol. Some fighters only hope of winning is standing and trading b/c they lack boxing skill. So you have to be dead in front of them for them to be successful. Floyd is just fast, he is in and out and you call it running but other fighters do it but they are just slow. Some fighters use the ring and pick spots Floyd some come str8 forward. Floyd brings the fight in the center of the ring where you will never see him run. If the other guy meets floyd there and proceeds to actually box instead of charging him trying to bully him to the ropes you will see floyd do his work IE gatti. Gatti met floyd in the middle of the ring and tried to box him. And that was the outcome. Baldomir charged at floyd like a madman after floyd proceeded to box his ass up in the middle of the ring as all fighters do. Same with ODH. He didnt even try to box floyd he put his guard up and charged in or jabbed to get floyd back against the ropes. Shane fights in the center of the ring and stands his ground more then floyd but also gets hit a lot. Cotto/Hatton etc etc do not go to the middle of the ring. They go at you and keep coming forward until your back is against the ropes then they let off the bombs.

[kg0208]

Stand in trade.think about it...its a tactic. Nobody says I am practicing my stand in trade style. Lol. Some fighters only hope of winning is standing and trading b/c they lack boxing skill. So you have to be dead in front of them for them to be successful. Floyd is just fast, he is in and out and you call it running but other fighters do it but they are just slow. Some fighters use the ring and pick spots Floyd some come str8 forward. Floyd brings the fight in the center of the ring where you will never see him run. If the other guy meets floyd there and proceeds to actually box instead of charging him trying to bully him to the ropes you will see floyd do his work IE gatti. Gatti met floyd in the middle of the ring and tried to box him. And that was the outcome. Baldomir charged at floyd like a madman after floyd proceeded to box his ass up in the middle of the ring as all fighters do. Same with ODH. He didnt even try to box floyd he put his guard up and charged in or jabbed to get floyd back against the ropes. Shane fights in the center of the ring and stands his ground more then floyd but also gets hit a lot. Cotto/Hatton etc etc do not go to the middle of the ring. They go at you and keep coming forward until your back is against the ropes then they let off the bombs.

What he said. Though I fear it will be wasted words....

[Alo2006]

Stand in trade.think about it...its a tactic. Nobody says I am practicing my stand in trade style. Lol. Some fighters only hope of winning is standing and trading b/c they lack boxing skill. So you have to be dead in front of them for them to be successful. Floyd is just fast, he is in and out and you call it running but other fighters do it but they are just slow. Some fighters use the ring and pick spots Floyd some come str8 forward. Floyd brings the fight in the center of the ring where you will never see him run. If the other guy meets floyd there and proceeds to actually box instead of charging him trying to bully him to the ropes you will see floyd do his work IE gatti. Gatti met floyd in the middle of the ring and tried to box him. And that was the outcome. Baldomir charged at floyd like a madman after floyd proceeded to box his ass up in the middle of the ring as all fighters do. Same with ODH. He didnt even try to box floyd he put his guard up and charged in or jabbed to get floyd back against the ropes. Shane fights in the center of the ring and stands his ground more then floyd but also gets hit a lot. Cotto/Hatton etc etc do not go to the middle of the ring. They go at you and keep coming forward until your back is against the ropes then they let off the bombs.

Well said bruh :good

[kg0208]

I agree. you explain things a lot better then KG. good post :good

Sorry, I was too busy to stoop to your education level. Toopretty felt sorry for you, and for that he is a better man than me :D

[smokey]

There were plenty of people picking Gatti to win that fight. I heard more than one fan and analyst say that Floyd "couldn't hurt" Gatti (sound familiar?). Nobody was calling Gatti shot until he lost that fight. Floyd was the favorite, but he was favored to win a 12 round decision, not dismantle and destroy Gatti.