ring mag: Pac vs the ATGs at Featherweight... [Archive]

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:38 PM

Illmatic

08-07-2007, 06:40 PM

I have this copy. Why they didn't match him with chavez??? Is Chavez not Great enough???

featherweight all time greats

kg0208

08-07-2007, 06:41 PM

I have this copy. Why they didn't match him with chavez??? Is Chavez not Great enough???

Chavez won no titles at FW....you are thinking SFW.

stillafan

08-07-2007, 06:42 PM

Pacdbest, you just showed your lack of boxing knowlege.....read a book....Chavez didnt hangout at featherweight!...he had a few fights at 130, then moved to 135 and on and on...

write that down!

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:43 PM

kg0208

08-07-2007, 06:45 PM

These the one article that Proves Pac is already an All time Greats. Compared to the Greats is already a Great Honor. Did the Ring made an Article like these to any Modern HOFamers like MAB, EM, Chavez or PBF???

Are you saying that if they didn't make an article about Chavez that he is NOT an ATG?

All it proves is that they feel he has legitimate shots against ATG based on styles. Beating an ATG doesn't make you an ATG. That's based on accomplishments. Pacman has some things to do first.

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:45 PM

Pacdbest, you just showed your lack of boxing knowlege.....read a book....Chavez didnt hangout at featherweight!...he had a few fights at 130, then moved to 135 and on and on...

write that down!

I knew that. I'm just Playing with you guys. Just Creating a Spark.:yep

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:49 PM

Are you saying that if they didn't make an article about Chavez that he is NOT an ATG?

All it proves is that they feel he has legitimate shots against ATG based on styles. Beating an ATG doesn't make you an ATG. That's based on accomplishments. Pacman has some things to do first.

Pac has done enough & will do more.

kg0208

08-07-2007, 06:51 PM

Pac has done enough & will do more.

He has not done enough to be an ATG in my book. Don't care whether you agree or not anymore than you care if I agree with you or not.

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:52 PM

What is your point? And yes I have seen a few comparing Floyd to the greats and such. They are comparing Pac to the greats because he is on a roll right now and has a chance to be up there with them one day. As is, I don't see how they have him beating Olivares, but otherwise I don't disagree strongly with it.

You're making stupid conclusions that Pac is an ATG just because someone made an article about him in a hypothetical matchup with a few.

Pac is an ATG because he makes the 2 other modern Great look like a shot fighter. He earned it in the ring. The Ring Article just back it up.

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 06:54 PM

He has not done enough to be an ATG in my book. Don't care whether you agree or not anymore than you care if I agree with you or not.

Well you're not Legit anyway. The Ring is Legit & more Credible than you.

Thread Stealer

08-07-2007, 06:54 PM

Did the Ring made an Article like these to any Modern HOFamers like MAB, EM, Chavez or PBF???

Over the years they've done articles like that fighters, such as Lewis, Tyson, and De La Hoya.

kg0208

08-07-2007, 06:56 PM

Well you're not Legit anyway. The Ring is Legit & more Credible than you.
Ring is more legit than you too. If this is your stance, then no more "Pacman is really p4p #1" crap from you. According to Ring, who you consider legit, he isn't. :deal

PS. I am certainly more legit than you. Why don't you send Ring your views and see how legit they think you are:bbb
I don't pick bouts based on nationality.

kg0208

08-07-2007, 06:58 PM

These the one article that Proves Pac is already an All time Greats. Compared to the Greats is already a Great Honor. Did the Ring made an Article like these to any Modern HOFamers like MAB, EM, Chavez or PBF???

Remember this post next time you and your buddies wanna know why you get bashed all the time. There was no need to bring up those fighters and try to move Pacman ahead of them with your sarcasm.

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 07:04 PM

Remember this post next time you and your buddies wanna know why you get bashed all the time. There was no need to bring up those fighters and try to move Pacman ahead of them with your sarcasm.

KG. How's RJJ??? Did he do well in his last fight?? Did you order the PPV???

kg0208

08-07-2007, 07:10 PM

KG. How's RJJ??? Did he do well in his last fight?? Did you order the PPV???
He won. Why do you ask?

renyo

08-07-2007, 07:12 PM

pac is the man marquez would be washing his underwear if they fought again the real test left is guzman

kg0208

08-07-2007, 07:13 PM

Wow, what an argument :good

He's trying to bait me into claiming he is comparing the two fighters....then he will come back and take the high road and pretend he wasn't. Already used that tactic before....

PacDbest

08-07-2007, 07:45 PM

He won. Why do you ask?

Did you order it???

Morrissey

08-07-2007, 07:47 PM

kg0208

08-07-2007, 07:48 PM

Did you order it???

Didn't have to. Saw it for free.

Bazooka

08-07-2007, 07:50 PM

johnco

08-07-2007, 08:43 PM

Pacdbest, you just showed your lack of boxing knowlege.....read a book....Chavez didnt hangout at featherweight!...he had a few fights at 130, then moved to 135 and on and on...

write that down!

tell that to sweet pea.... he thought chavez will easily beat pac even at 130 :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::patsch:patsch:patsch

johnco

08-07-2007, 08:46 PM

He has not done enough to be an ATG in my book. Don't care whether you agree or not anymore than you care if I agree with you or not.

from a guy coming from 106??? :patsch:patsch:patsch:lol::lol::lol:
o common.... a lineal champ and a guy who made em,jmm,mab kissed the canvass more than 10 times!!! :yep:yep:yep
nope. pac ia atg!!!

PolishPummler

08-07-2007, 08:47 PM

Oh no! Here come the Ewok's in full force.

johnco

08-07-2007, 08:50 PM

Morales and Barrera. He gave Barrera an asswhooping, but Barrera just did not look like himself that night if I'm being honest. Against a near prime Morales he got badly outboxed, and it wasn't until he faced a fading Morales that he won the rematch, and against a shot Morales he won the 3rd fight.

Good wins, but these guys weren't at their best. He sure didn't look as impressive against Marquez after the first round.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

so who was that guy? his twin? :-(:-(
pac just made that ass begging for his life please......
dont reason out your stupidity :yep
and prime morales outboxing 1 eye pac??? what so special about that.?
pac whooped that ass when he could see TWICE!!!!
jmm.... HE JUST CHICKENED OUT FROM GUZMAN!! :nut:nut
I DO BELIEVE HE GOT A GIFT FROM THE JUDGE AND HE ALSO CHICKEND OUT WHEN PAC CALLED HIS NAME... :lol::lol: he got malaria instead :thumbsup

PolishPummler

08-07-2007, 08:50 PM

Yo you need some serious education. You make TPT look classy. Are all Polish people like you?

Only the assholes!

johnco

08-07-2007, 08:50 PM

Yo you need some serious education. You make TPT look classy. Are all Polish people like you?

polish are rejects in europe owned by the russians :yep:yep:yep

PolishPummler

08-07-2007, 08:53 PM

polish are rejects in europe owned by the russians :yep:yep:yep

EU nephew....something the Russkies are jealous of.

kg0208

08-07-2007, 08:59 PM

from a guy coming from 106??? :patsch:patsch:patsch:lol::lol::lol:
o common.... a lineal champ and a guy who made em,jmm,mab kissed the canvass more than 10 times!!! :yep:yep:yep
nope. pac ia atg!!!

No, he is not an ATG just cuz he came from 106. You can't have it both ways. I am not counting his losses there against good but not great fighters as much because that was not his natural weight. Isn't that the reason you guys say he lost?

If it wasn't his natural weight and is the excuse for his losses, then NO, he gets no credit for coming up from that weight and fighting larger fighters cuz according to you guys, he wasn't naturally that weight.

He is not an ATG yet in my book.

kg0208

08-07-2007, 09:00 PM

tell that to sweet pea.... he thought chavez will easily beat pac even at 130 :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::patsch:patsch:patsch

Pay attention.....FW is 126, not 130. Chavez did more at 130 than Pacman has.

Illmatic

08-07-2007, 09:02 PM

your a little late bringing this up, that issue arrived months ago

I know, but I was taking a shit and looking through the pack of ring mags next to the toilet and thought this might interest some people

kg0208

08-07-2007, 09:02 PM

Yo you need some serious education. You make TPT look classy. Are all Polish people like you?

Uh uh....they deserve all they get. Domngo jumped into the Polish Express thread and caused a fight just to do so.

johnco

08-07-2007, 09:09 PM

You're getting on me about making excuses for the win over MAB and EM but you're making excuses for his boxing lesson at the hands of EM in the first fight and JMM. You have no reason, you call someone else out for the same thing you are doing. You're a fucking hypocritc. You're just as bad for Pac fans as Bigtime9 is for Floyd fans.

Also, stop with the gay ass emoticons you child, you look like such a fucking immature twat. I'm done talking to your stupid ass anyway, you have no reason whatsoever. I have a feeling you'll commit suicide when Pac loses.

you made me laugh everytime you showed your stupidity in this forum. :lol::lol:

first of all, em won on the first fight. true. not controversial, nothing special. you dont brag when someone won courtesy of someone who couldnt see :lol::lol: COMMON SENSE please :-( and that excuse of pac was proven NOT ONLY ONCE BUT TWICE :good
jmm was a difficult to explain because alot of you guys are jumping like morons when he got the GIFTED DRAW. going to that fight, pac busted his left hand after the first round with blisters on his sole. YES IT IS AN EXCUSE and when pac was asked for a rematched he said "yes" but when jmm was asked if he also likes to rematch, he said " i will talk to nacho" :lol::lol:
see... he so scared he knows he got a gift and doesnt want to shit his pants again. he got malaria instead. well he also chickened out from guzman :good

AND PLEASE you have to stick this in your pea brain sweet pea that MAB, JMM, EM kissed the canvass many many times courtesy of a 1-d man who came from 106 :good IT IS MIND BOGGLING ISNT IT? :hey SO IF YOU STILL THINK PAC IS NOTHING, then sweet pea i cant help you witht that brain of yours :lol::lol:

and if pac loses someday, i am sport. ill give what is due. it is just our time and we have the bragging rights.... not a stupid fan who doesnt have the BRAGGING RIGHTS. you know DEFINITELY KNOW WHO THEY ARE :good

johnco

08-07-2007, 09:11 PM

Pay attention.....FW is 126, not 130. Chavez did more at 130 than Pacman has.

you know the meaning of " EVEN AT" ??? :patsch:patsch :lol::lol:
pac is number 2 pound per pound at 130.... by the ring mag :good
who did chavez beat at 130 with a pound per pound rating of 1 or 2?
:bart

kg0208

08-07-2007, 09:23 PM

you know the meaning of " EVEN AT" ??? :patsch:patsch :lol::lol:
pac is number 2 pound per pound at 130.... by the ring mag :good
who did chavez beat at 130 with a pound per pound rating of 1 or 2?
:bart

Pacman isn't #2 based on his wins at 130. He is based on his wins overall and people in front of him losing (remember Hopkins).

Do YOU know the meaning of "even at"? You quoted the part that says he didn't hang out at FW, as though it justified something that may or may not happen at 130. You tell ME what the hell that meant.

And Chavez defended his SFW belt 9 times or so. How many has Pacman defended his? Things stay in context....i don't deal with analogies that work in vacuums.

johnco

08-07-2007, 09:25 PM

[quote=Sweet Pea]I said Pac was nothing? I believe I just said he was the #2 P4P fighter in the world.

You made excuses for his losses, and then got mad and cried when I made excuses for his wins, so that makes you a hypocrite. And again, if you laugh everytime I show my stupidity, why am I the guy you officially called you favorite, most knowledgable poster? :lol: Owned. You have nothing to say to that. You agree with me on everything but when I say you overrate Pac you jump down my throat.

knowing the history of boxing is different from " picking a great fighter who didnt prove anything at a certain weight over a pound per pound number 2 (with that weight) in THE WHOLE BOXING COMMUNITY ...." THAT IS A PLAIN MORONOCITY.
:lol::lol::lol::lol: OWNED??? :good

you are just to dumb to analyze mythical match up you make me laugh all the time :yep:yep
you have a good memory but TOO DUMB to analyze something :D:D
:thumbsup

PolishPummler

08-07-2007, 10:30 PM

Pea once they start biting at your ankles just piss on there head.

Motor City Sam

08-07-2007, 10:34 PM

I know, but I was taking a shit and looking through the pack of ring mags next to the toilet and thought this might interest some people

Too much information, Illmatic. :lol:

tays001

08-07-2007, 10:42 PM

Guys like PacDbest and Johnco have no knowledge outside of Pac, they think boxing revolves around him.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

sad thing is this is all to true:yep :yep :yep

PATSYS

08-07-2007, 11:51 PM

Kid Chocolate
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep by UD
Sandy Saddler
Flash Elorde
Vicente Saldivar KO
Ruben Olivares
Bobby Chacon
Salvador Sanchez
Azumah Nelson

Pac all by KO.

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 12:14 AM

Pac all by KO.

dude. you never had a different answer. can you at least tell us all how and why pac ko's them all? this makes you look stupid

larrios ain't worth shit if compared to those greats mentioned and still he managed to get a decision against pac. and don't start with the pad did that to please the fans in the philippines type of shit. the people who watched that would have went home happier if pac ktfo larrios in the 1st round.

anyway, i agree wtih most of those match ups at 126 but if it's at 130, pac will have 2 or 3 more victories then those mentioned

brooklyn1550

08-08-2007, 12:25 AM

For the most part, I agree with them on the matchups

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 12:27 AM

I actually agree with you on this one. Its always PAC by Ko its getting old.

See you're like Snape in Harry Potter, I dont know if you are good or bad.:D

i don't read potter so i don't know who snape is but if he resembles anything like me, he is good shape. :D . just kidding bro.

it's good that you can't quite figure me out. i like that side of me:good

Thinman

08-08-2007, 02:29 AM

heres what they wrote:

Kid Chocolate UD 12
Henry Armstrong KO late rounds
Willie Pep by UD
Sandy Saddler KO mid rounds
Flash Elorde UD 12 by Pac
Vicente Saldivar KO by 10
Ruben Olivares TKO by Pac on cuts
Bobby Chacon TKO10 by Pac
Salvador Sanchez close decision over Pac
Azumah Nelson UD 12

the ones in yellow are ones RING mag said Pac would win

This is something very interesting. I have always said that Pac would/will have a lot of problems in winning a fight by decission against great/elite boxers. In other words, if Pac doesn't tko/ko his opponents, then he will have problem and therefore a long night.

According to ring they only see Pac winning one of the fights by decission (against Elorde). Ring also see Pac defeating Olivares on cuts, which means, if this doesn't happen, then he would probably lose the fight by decission...isn't it? By the way, I think Olivares woud beat him at 122 as well as 126.

The list above only shows 10 boxers, what about the rest at that wightclass? That would be interesting as well.

When it comes to comparing a boxer agains another boxer and trying to predict the outcome in a dream match, the record/resume of a boxer won't necessary will tell you the thruth. It is more aboout styles.

Thinman

08-08-2007, 02:37 AM

Pac all by KO.

What if he doesn't ko his opponents? Can you tell me how can he defeat them? Can you explain or elaborate for instance how he can win a decission against the boxers listed on this thread, particularly the boxers that The Ring say would defeat Pac by decission? Can he pull it off?

kg0208

08-08-2007, 02:40 AM

Thinman

08-08-2007, 03:10 AM

Some of those guys would be hard to KO....Pep, Saddler, Sanchez...and arguably the greatest fighter ever in Henry Armstrong.

Pacman has great tenacity, but some of these guys you wouldn't be able to beat without great skill regardless of power, speed, or any other physical attribute. Pep especially.

I agree with you. Pac pressures his opponents and use speed and power to win a fight. However, not all the boxers will fall, and those who can stand and take his punches and have great skills would/will beat Pac. Also the type of boxers who are slick, and I am not talking about the type of boxers like SRL or PBF I am talking about Corey Spinks type of boxer.

There are other type of styles that I believe could defeat Pac. Not including the styles like the ones that SRL, PBF, Camacho, etc etc etc had.

1- Boxers that have height (pac said after his fight against Solis that his height gave him troubles), reach advantage, good chin and skills. These type of boxers can fight in the centre of the ring. Example...Monzon, Arguello etc, etc etc....

2- Boxers who can suffocate or put a lot of pressure on their opponents. Of course they have to have good chin, Example...Duran, Pryor, Hatton, Cotto (eventhough people say his chin is not that good) etc, etc, etc.

rendog67

08-08-2007, 03:15 AM

i enjoy these articles in ring mag but i always feel they are a bit preditable.

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 03:28 AM

dude. you never had a different answer. can you at least tell us all how and why pac ko's them all? this makes you look stupid

larrios ain't worth shit if compared to those greats mentioned and still he managed to get a decision against pac. and don't start with the pad did that to please the fans in the philippines type of shit. the people who watched that would have went home happier if pac ktfo larrios in the 1st round.

anyway, i agree wtih most of those match ups at 126 but if it's at 130, pac will have 2 or 3 more victories then those mentioned

By constant pressure plus inhumane power and stamina, even a rock will crack. MAB and Morales had one of the best ever chins P4P and they folded like nothing against Pac.

Larios was at the best ever shape of his life while Pac prepared only 3-weeks for that fight. He normally trains for 6-8 weeks.

Enough said.

Pac by KO.

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 03:47 AM

By constant pressure plus inhumane power and stamina, even a rock will crack. MAB and Morales had one of the best ever chins P4P and they folded like nothing against Pac.

Larios was at the best ever shape of his life while Pac prepared only 3-weeks for that fight. He normally trains for 6-8 months.

Enough said.

Pac by KO.

holy shroud. i've never heard this. maybe this is why he is so freaking great. so he has been training since early april for his fight against mab? uh oh. mab won't last a round:lol:

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 04:03 AM

What if he doesn't ko his opponents? Can you tell me how can he defeat them? Can you explain or elaborate for instance how he can win a decission against the boxers listed on this thread, particularly the boxers that The Ring say would defeat Pac by decission? Can he pull it off? yes he can pull it off with his inhumane speed, power and stamina

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 04:05 AM

holy shroud. i've never heard this. maybe this is why he is so freaking great. so he has been training since early april for his fight against mab? uh oh. mab won't last a round:lol: quit editting my post :twisted:

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 04:07 AM

This is why I am no longer a Pac fan and want to see him brutally KO'd, to shut up his retarded fans.

I swear to God he used to be among my favorite fighters of today, but now I must say simply because of his fans that has been ruined.

He could get KOd especially that he has been at the top level for quite a while now. But that doesn't take away what he had already accomplished.

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 04:13 AM

This is why I am no longer a Pac fan and want to see him brutally KO'd, to shut up his retarded fans.

I swear to God he used to be among my favorite fighters of today, but now I must say simply because of his fans that has been ruined.

poor pac. the dude never did anything but pour his all in the ring and boxing fans wish to see him ko'd because of the pacmaniacs. i sometimes wish pac turns into a cocky bastard like naz so that it will be easier to hate him and wish him bad. but he's not that. dilemma. it seems that the only to shut the pacmaniacs is for pac to lose. sigh

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 04:15 AM

quit editting my post :twisted:

you could have just admitted you made a mistake, bastard. blame me for editing your wrong post? pathetic.

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 04:17 AM

poor pac. the dude never did anything but pour his all in the ring and boxing fans wish to see him ko'd because of the pacmaniacs. i sometimes wish pac turns into a cocky bastard like naz so that it will be easier to hate him and wish him bad. but he's not that. dilemma. it seems that the only to shut the pacmaniacs is for pac to lose. sigh He will not turn into a cocky bastard. He is a real nice guy.:good

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 04:27 AM

Which is why I don't dislike him, but I dislike his fans who ruin it for me. He is one of the best today, but when people start saying he easily KO's a legend like Chavez when the opposite is most likely by far than it just makes you want to go insane.

ignoring the pacmaniacs and cheering for pac seems like a logical solution. ignorance is bliss in terms of those guys

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 04:29 AM

you could have just admitted you made a mistake, bastard. blame me for editing your wrong post? pathetic. I am not gonna admit of making mistake :nono

boxbox

08-08-2007, 04:29 AM

Which is why I don't dislike him, but I dislike his fans who ruin it for me. He is one of the best today, but when people start saying he easily KO's a legend like Chavez when the opposite is most likely by far than it just makes you want to go insane.

hehehe.. that was my point long before.. its easy to excite the huggers with match ups like that. Thats why i hate it when people do these mythical pairings, (maybe they're expecting professional analysis), because it always ends up as forum trashing. The fighter then ends up being the loser because instead of gaining fans, they get bashed because of their die hard fans. And then the opportunistic haters comes in...don't take it seriously i suggest, cause its really something to laugh about if your just an observer.:yep

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 04:42 AM

I am not gonna admit of making mistake :nono

dude, you just edited your post as shown beneath in as "edited by PATSYS". the only difference between what i quoted from what your message is now is that you changed "month" to "weeks". so if you didn't make a mistake, what the hell did you edit?

you're pathetic. and so are all of you're pac by ko shit. you're a loser who can only back his statements by saying that pac has inhumane everything. you can't even back it up with real arguements. i reckon that you don't even recognize the names that were matched up against pac.

the only thing in your pathetic little life that you can be proud of is pac and you'll probably kill yourself if pac loses again.

it was a simple mistake and you could have got yourself off the hook if you just admitted it.

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 04:50 AM

dude, you just edited your post as shown beneath in as "edited by PATSYS". the only difference between what i quoted from what your message is now is that you changed "month" to "weeks". so if you didn't make a mistake, what the hell did you edit?

you're pathetic. and so are all of you're pac by ko shit. you're a loser who can only back his statements by saying that pac has inhumane everything. you can't even back it up with real arguements. i reckon that you don't even recognize the names that were matched up against pac.

the only thing in your pathetic little life that you can be proud of is pac and you'll probably kill yourself if pac loses again.

it was a simple mistake and you could have got yourself off the hook if you just admitted it.

You're very wrong. :tong

Morrissey

08-08-2007, 09:14 AM

I think Patsys is just cracking you up guys.

He has been saying that phrase since time immemorial.

Nothing to worry about.:yep

Thread Stealer

08-08-2007, 12:13 PM

Pacquiao by TKO as long as he has the right socks and gloves. He is invincible with the puncher's gloves and expensive well made sporting socks.

He'd beat all of them and a paternity suit on the same day, then beat everyone in the pool hall at 8 ball, and outsing everyone on the Karaoke.

PH|LLA

08-08-2007, 12:23 PM

On esb PAC is way underrated by most people. In general though i think his rating is pretty well established

kg0208

08-08-2007, 12:47 PM

On esb PAC is way underrated by most people. In general though i think his rating is pretty well established

Completely disagree. I think people that overrate him state that he is underrated here. On what grounds is he underrated on ESB? By comparison to other fighters?

Asterion

08-08-2007, 01:04 PM

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Pacman isn't an ATG yet, he needs some more solid wins: more quantity of wins over ranked contenders of his era. He has the ability of an All Time Great, though.

He has been successful climbing up weight classes, but hasn't dominated any yet. He doesn't have dominance and longevity in any weight class. I think he can achieve that at Jr. Lightweight.

Asterion

08-08-2007, 01:12 PM

How can some people say that Pacman is an ATG at Featherweight? :rofl

It's ok to compare him to ATGs, and he may win fights over past ATGs, but that doesn't mean that he is right now an ATG. Fuck, Wlad could beat Ezzard Charles and Jim Jeffries, but it doesn't mean he is as great as Charles or Jeffries.

Pac was in the Featherweight division for only 2 years. He had a great win over Barrera, but then also wins over Yeshmaganbetov (?), Emmanuel Lucero, 3K Battery and a draw against JM Marquez. Just because a win over Barrera you can't rank Pacquiao high at Featherweight. No way.

As I said, Pac hasn't been really a dominant champ in any weight class yet. He doesn't have a reign like Duran at Lightweight, like Lewis at Heavyweight, like Armstrong at Welterweight; not even like Tszyu at Light Welterweight; not even like Mayweather at Jr. Lightweight.

kg0208

08-08-2007, 01:15 PM

How can some people say that Pacman is an ATG at Featherweight? :rofl

I think

He was in that weight division for only 2 years. He had a great win over Barrera, but then also wins over Yeshmaganbetov (?), Emmanuel Lucero, 3K Battery and a draw against JM Marquez. Just because a win over Barrera you can't rank Pacquiao high at Featherweight. No way.

As I said, Pac hasn't been really a dominant champ in any weight class yet. He doesn't have a reign like Duran at Lightweight, like Lewis at Heavyweight, like Armstrong at Welterweight; not even like Tszyu at Light Welterweight; not even like Mayweather at Jr. Lightweight.

For me, the standard at Super Feather/Jr Light is set by 2 fighters. Arguello and Mayweather. No one has reached this standard yet. Pacman has the potential. But fighting MAB is not the way to get there. Remember, Pacman has yet to face a champion in this weight class. He certainly can beat them.....

Guru_Too_You

08-08-2007, 03:33 PM

I know, but I was taking a shit and looking through the pack of ring mags next to the toilet and thought this might interest some people

Shoulda just thrown that one IN the toilet.

Chert

08-08-2007, 03:36 PM

Pac has yet to face a live elite fighter with a hearbeat except for Barrera
( although some might argue that Barrera/hamed was the last of his prime) and we all know what happened when pac faced a live fighter in Marquez ( spanked like a little one dimensional kid that he is )... O yea, he also got worked up by a over the hill El Terrible so as far as i'm concerned, pac shouldnt be mentioned with the other legends from the past. Sure he still has a few good years left in him so he does have a chance to reach that status but until then, he will always be a crude fighter who was always at the right place at the right time..
ledwaba (superbantam) and sasakul (flyweight) were certainly elite when pac ko'd them. but we're talking about featherweight here...

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 10:06 PM

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 10:23 PM

Where do you see the term " lucky " because I never said that.

Pac came at a time when the Mexican legends were on their way out so in a way, you can say that he was fortunate enough to have come at the right time.

fortunate=lucky. you're more stupid than i initially thought

theunderdog

08-08-2007, 10:48 PM

Main Entry: lucky
Pronunciation: 'l&-kE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): luck·i·er; -est
1 : having good luck
2 : happening by chance : FORTUITOUS
3 : producing or resulting in good by chance : FAVORABLE
4 : seeming to bring good luck <a lucky rabbit's foot>
- luck·i·ness /'l&-kE-n&s/ noun
synonyms LUCKY, FORTUNATE, HAPPY, PROVIDENTIAL mean meeting with unforeseen success. LUCKY stresses the agency of chance in bringing about a favorable result <won because of a lucky bounce>. FORTUNATE suggests being rewarded beyond one's deserts <fortunate in my investments>. HAPPY combines the implications of LUCKY and FORTUNATE with stress on being blessed <a series of happy accidents>. PROVIDENTIAL more definitely implies the help or intervention of a higher power <a providential change in the weather>.

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johnco

08-08-2007, 11:21 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: Good job Snape

allblack is owned again :good but please excuse him, he migrated from north k. hes under ESL program so please give him some consideration :lol::lol::lol:

johnco

08-08-2007, 11:31 PM

Only people who think I'm owned are the small pinoy groupies who give each other props like no other. :lol:

AllBlack migrated from South Korea ( the country that owns PI ).. feel me?
small pinoy? :lol::lol: but you guys have the smallest dick :lol::lol::lol:

migrated from south... o common.. i guess you are one of the rejects thats why you set up POOP DRY CLEANING company in the ghetto :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

ravtrav

08-08-2007, 11:37 PM

Pacman's glory days are numbered so all you Pachuggers better mark your calendars and savior the moment. Marquez took his confidence and broke his spirit, i mean after 2004 pac wasn't the same. First he ranks out from In Jin Chi and now he's punking out from Soto for a irrelevant rematch against Barrera? Run pacman run.:patsch

BigReg

08-08-2007, 11:44 PM

:rofl :rofl :rofl He thinks that Korea is soo much richer than the Philippines :rofl :rofl :rofl heres a link we are equal economically [Only registered and activated users can see links]

And yes they need tweezers to fucking pee:rofl :rofl :rofl

Not to rain on your parade but Korea(at least South Korea) is richer than The Phillipines. South Korea's GDP per capita is almost 5 x's larger and the their purchasing power parity as almost twice as large as the Phillipines.

johnco

08-08-2007, 11:45 PM

:rofl :rofl :rofl He thinks that Korea is soo much richer than the Philippines :rofl :rofl :rofl heres a link we are equal economically [Only registered and activated users can see links]

And yes they need tweezers to fucking pee:rofl :rofl :rofl

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

PATSYS

08-08-2007, 11:49 PM

Not to rain on your parade but Korea(at least South Korea) is richer than The Phillipines. South Korea's GDP per capita is almost 5 x's larger and the their purchasing power parity as almost twice as large as the Phillipines.

Although South Korea\ is much richer nation, Philippines has more world champions in boxing :deal

BigReg

08-08-2007, 11:51 PM

Although South Korea\ is much richer nation, Philippines has more world champions in boxing :deal

I can't argue with the facts. The Phillipines have churned out alot of good fighters

johnco

08-08-2007, 11:53 PM

I don't know about tweezers but i know a lot of Pinoy guys who wear high heel sneakers and boots for enhancement.

a[Only registered and activated users can see links] how cute

heels and boots can make a lady moan.... but not from koreans who use tweezers ......

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

ravtrav

08-08-2007, 11:59 PM

Currently yes.. but if you look at the history you might be wrong and plus, your buddies were talking about the economic status of the two countries.

But yes, Filipinos are having more success in this sport currently and that's because most pinoy boxers come from poverty where boxing is their only way out whereas Korean don't have to take beatings for a living because they can make good money on the desk.HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN BANNED?

ravtrav

08-09-2007, 12:05 AM

About 5 times and that's because your fellow pinoy girls always have to start with me. I was on a positive note until once again, your buddies had to start the nonsense.DAMN! COULD YOU LOOK AT LOCATION UNDER MY AVATAR:good

BigReg

08-09-2007, 12:08 AM

Big reg PPP is not a great way of looking at it [Only registered and activated users can see links]

We are in the same boat according to the G7 with Korea just a few years ahead

Dont let their POS car Hyundai and Samsung fool you..those are the worst brands to buy

the Philippines was hit with corruption and we are just recovering...our economy is growing close to 8% in 2008 and 09.. We have the biggest business process outsourcing in Asia.

Give us 10 years

Meanwhile we'll keep beating up on non existent South Korean Boxers..

I got love for both countries(My grandmother is Filipino, my sister in law is from South Korea). So hopefully the Filipino economy keeps growing, and South Korea produces more fighters

Morrissey

08-09-2007, 12:09 AM

You guys produce many great fighters because education is not your top priority. YOu guys are still living in the uncivilized era where being a fighter is the best thing since slice bread. :lol:

Koreans make cars, Big screens, ships, computers and they are known worldwide. What kind of contributions do you guys make to the world exactly?

Good grief, you are ALLBLACK!

stillafan

08-09-2007, 12:11 AM

Pac might do well against some ATG, but that doesnt necessarily make him one yet....hell get there though!

theunderdog

08-09-2007, 12:12 AM

i think it's time to go back to the topic guys. let's talk about great featherweights. i'm sure allblack has something to say about his country's greatest featherweight ever, in jin chi. and how his bitch ass relinquished the belt when he heard that up and coming linares was his mandatory challenger

this tells us an lot about how koreans conduct business.

johnco

08-09-2007, 12:17 AM

Great, I hope you guys come up real soon. Really..

Just tell your buddies to stop talking smack because that's not what I'm here for. :good

:think:think:think:blood:blood:blood:yikes:yikes:yikes

i need a shot of cognac and hold my prayers.... :!: it is the end of the world if indeed this is allblack :rofl

theunderdog

08-09-2007, 12:22 AM

PArk Chong pal, Yoo myung woo, Chung koo chang , and hong soo hwan would have whooped on your tiny fighters.

Don't say shit you have no idea about. Chi got cheated out of his money by his promoters so that's why he's leaving the sport.

A bitch ass doesnt usually go 12 rounds with a prime Morales. Unlike PAcman who was looking for a way out, crying .. :|

fact both pac and chi lost to EM be decision. pac's loss was a lot closer than chi lost

also a fact, pac ko'd em twice.

what were you saying again boy? in jin chi won't defeat the version of morales in his 2nd fight against pac.

chi ducked linares. end of story

ajohnfp

08-09-2007, 12:26 AM

Christ Pactards suck.

puga_ni_nana

08-09-2007, 12:30 AM

Christ I suck.

:good

ajohnfp

08-09-2007, 12:32 AM

:good

You're so witty.

johnco

08-09-2007, 12:33 AM

PAc lost to a faded Morales while many people believe that Chi beat a prime morales. Yea pac Knocked out a washed up morales who was a shell of hiimself so dream on little man.

Linares had nothing to do with it. Chi was having major problems with his promoters so that's why he relinquished his belt.

Nobody retires just to duck a fighter.

OK little man?

ok little dick, but you better behave.... pac fans will eat you like a rotten kim chi :rasta

puga_ni_nana

08-09-2007, 12:40 AM

You're so witty.

not really. just noticed you always have the same line.

also with
PATSYS: "Pac by KO"
and
GARCIA: "FUCK PAC!"

johnco

08-09-2007, 12:50 AM

Pac fans only eat barbecue dogs and marinated cats, not kim chi.

Ok short man?

You just can' write a sentence without the word " dick " huh? :lol:
because you "REALLY" got the smallest one and it cracks me up.. you claim you guys are tall but study shows you got have the "tweezers help" :good you want the link?? or it is too early. ill make you boil overa and eventually expose the link. by the way, i am 5'9" and i dont have insecurities with my height and my manhood..... :deal

kg0208

08-09-2007, 01:18 AM

So, are you ALLBLACK? Yes or No?

He already says he is. He said it when he was explaining why he was using a new name.

PATSYS

08-09-2007, 04:40 AM