PAC at #11 according to boxrec. Does the record speek for itself?

[Stinky gloves]

I know I know he should be higher, at least at #2. He is duking nobody beside
Guzman and he beat all Mexicans he could beside Guzman .....ups he is not Mexican :oops:.

However if you think clearly, boxrec gives points not due to fighter popularity or how
excited are his fans with his wins but its very valuable measure of the win quality.

So if you beat somebody exciting but who have bad record then sorry it counts poorly.
So no matter how you count, PAC do not have win over Marquez and his wins over Morales
are just wins over shot fighetr with very bad recent record.

Reasumming, the win over Barrera form 4 years ago and recent wins
over Larios and Solis gives only #11 p4p ... record speaks for itself :smoke

[Stinky gloves]

Ring Magazine is the better judge, Stinky. So, since you believe in Boxrec, are you now accepting my challenge to a 3 months off? Put up or shut up! :lol::lol::lol::hey:hey:hey
Domngo you already agreed to bet so stick to it you moron.
You don't have anything else to say then shut up yourself and give
other people a chance to present their point of view.

[johnco]

Don't run like a scared chicken, Stinky. Since you're so passionate about Pac w/ your put-down posts, why not accept my offer? You're scared, are you? Let's up the ante. 3 month's off? :deal Deal?

you know the haters.... all talk no substance :good

[Stinky gloves]

Don't run like a scared chicken, Stinky. Since you're so passionate about Pac w/ your put-down posts, why not accept my offer? You're scared, are you? Let's up the ante. 3 month's off? :deal Deal?

You aready had your deal, now you don't have anything else to say then shut up.

[Stinky gloves]

you know the haters.... all talk no substance :good

Well ... it would be great if you put some substance to the topic, will you?

[theunderdog]

you actually believed in boxrec rankings? wtf? and you left out pac's wins over morales. you're a really patheci hater dude. boxrec? please.

if you believe in boxrec rankings then explain to me why the hell is chris freaking john at number 4! and if you're stating that the record should speak for itself, then no one else but pbf deserves to be number one. start explaining why you think boxrec is a good list. go!

[theunderdog]

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stinky. you've just been owned by the entire esb brother

[theunderdog]

Off course they are objetive.



Hopkins was reighning champion for many years and lost to undefeated prospect.

Now he have two wins over the recognized "man" at LHW and

top5 p4p fighter. Nobody have better record than him recently.



PBF is unbeaten but he didnt fought any p4p fighter in many years.

His win over Baldomir is good from the record point of view because

he beat liner champion. His win over Oscar is just a money fight and

these are slightly lower than recent wins of Hopkins.



Hatton and John are unbeaten and "chmpions" in their weight classes

with good recent wins. But you shouldn't make case they are below

Hopkins and Maywetaher.



I don't see Vasquez as high.



Calzaghe and Taylor formally still unbeaten with not best record in

terms of beating best competition recently.



Mijares beat top guys recently ans is unbeaten in many years.



The only case which is really logically not real is PAC at 11.



I think this list would be DECENT if you just exchange PAC with Vasquez.


oww snap. you're here saying that pac is shit and deserves the number 11 ranking because of his poor record and you post on another thread that you should swap pac and vasquez and everything's fine? you did that because you were being owned bad didn't you? damn man, you hate for pac and pacfans turned you to a complete idiot.

[Stinky gloves]

you actually believed in boxrec rankings? wtf? and you left out pac's wins over morales. you're a really patheci hater dude. boxrec? please.

if you believe in boxrec rankings then explain to me why the hell is chris freaking john at number 4! and if you're stating that the record should speak for itself, then no one else but pbf deserves to be number one. start explaining why you think boxrec is a good list. go!

See his unbeaten record, didn't he beat Marquez which was to difficult for PAC?

[Stinky gloves]

Don't run like a scared chicken, Stinky. Since you're so passionate about Pac w/ your put-down posts, why not accept my offer? You're scared, are you? Let's up the ante. 3 month's off? :deal Deal?

You wanna rater hide in the bush or post under different name than show
your new Barrera avatar in every post, and you speaking about chicken? :scaredas:

[retriever]

I know I know he should be higher, at least at #2. He is duking nobody beside
Guzman and he beat all Mexicans he could beside Guzman .....ups he is not Mexican :oops:.

However if you think clearly, boxrec gives points not due to fighter popularity or how
excited are his fans with his wins but its very valuable measure of the win quality.

So if you beat somebody exciting but who have bad record then sorry it counts poorly.
So no matter how you count, PAC do not have win over Marquez and his wins over Morales
are just wins over shot fighetr with very bad recent record.

Reasumming, the win over Barrera form 4 years ago and recent wins
over Larios and Solis gives only #11 p4p ... record speaks for itself :smoke


PAC thread again?:rofl

[Stinky gloves]

oww snap. you're here saying that pac is shit and deserves the number 11 ranking because of his poor record and you post on another thread that you should swap pac and vasquez and everything's fine? you did that because you were being owned bad didn't you? damn man, you hate for pac and pacfans turned you to a complete idiot.

Yes records speak for itself, he isn't God he retired shot Morales and
he did not beat Marquez, he was schooled by him for 11 rounds.
He did enough to be at #11 p4p by the record book :smoke .

I like him however to be within #3 because he is exciting fighter
and most other guys who have better record are less exciting
or fight less know names.

Again PAC is future ATG but he is not God as you nuthugger thinks.
His record is not as good as you try to convince people.

[theunderdog]

Yes records speak for itself, he isn't God he retired shot Morales and
he did not beat Marquez, he was schooled by him for 11 rounds.
He did enough to be at #11 p4p by the record book :smoke .

I like him however to be within #3 because he is exciting fighter
and most other guys who have better record are less exciting
or fight less know names.

Again PAC is future ATG but he is not God as you nuthugger thinks.
His record is not as good as you try to convince people.

if you find any post by me saying that pac is god and that he retired an unshot morales or that he won against jmm, please post them here and i will be owned by you forever, if you don't, shut the hell up!

he wasn't schooled by jmm for 11 rounds. get your facts straight. pac won the 1st round 10-6 for the 2 judges who scored it 115-110 or 10-7 for the judge who had it a draw, depends on who you ask. i'm not claiming that the judge who scored it made a mistake or something unlike nuhuggers.

anyway, this means that even on the card of the judge who gave it 115-110 for jmm. pac still one round because if he didn't the score would have been 116-109 but it wasn't. so your claim that pac was schooled for 11 rounds is wrong because a fighter getting schooled can't win a round. get my drift?

the thing with you is, you bash pac nuthugger for exagerrating but you are exagerrating to in you efforts to put down pac. you even said he has a poor record which anybody in the right mind will deny

[Stinky gloves]

if you find any post by me saying that pac is god and that he retired an unshot morales or that he won against jmm, please post them here and i will be owned by you forever, if you don't, shut the hell up!

he wasn't schooled by jmm for 11 rounds. get your facts straight. pac won the 1st round 10-6 for the 2 judges who scored it 115-110 or 10-7 for the judge who had it a draw, depends on who you ask. i'm not claiming that the judge who scored it made a mistake or something unlike nuhuggers.

anyway, this means that even on the card of the judge who gave it 115-110 for jmm. pac still one round because if he didn't the score would have been 116-109 but it wasn't. so your claim that pac was schooled for 11 rounds is wrong because a fighter getting schooled can't win a round. get my drift?

the thing with you is, you bash pac nuthugger for exagerrating but you are exagerrating to in you efforts to put down pac. you even said he has a poor record which anybody in the right mind will deny

You are his nuthugger but not the bad one. I said his record is poor
in therms of p4p status, Morales wsn't in his peak when he lost to PAc
and PAC even not schooled was beaten for most of the fight or as somebody
said OUT-TECHNIQUED by Marquez. PAC record is really great but get some
reality, it do not warrant him to be #1 as you claim all over.

What I want from you in all my posts is to show something whch
might back up your claims for him to be #1 p4p.

1) So is he really able to OUT-TECHINIQUE Marquez the next time?

2) Was win over Morales the definig win of his career whch guarantee him be #1 p4p?

3) Is he really top notch by agreeing to fight fading Barrera for the second
time so he will have status "ATG killer" like Tarver had or maybe he should
clean up the division and take finally on someone with the belt?

Don't be shy give the answer, if you bak it up I will shut up with
PAC threads for 3 months for free with PAC avatar for one month b
onus regrdlees his Barrera fight.

Can you back up your nuthuggery or not?

[Spitfire7]

Only the uninformed and the casual fan go to, much more, believe Boxrec.:deal

[Stinky gloves]

3 months off is a more cruel penalty for me.

It's either you're a brave or coward? Take your pick,
Stinky. I'm giving you the chance to show your bravery or cowardice.

I have somthing for you. If Barrera wins you will have 6 avatars I will prepare for you,
no matter what they are. One for each month of your existence on this site
and for your Pinoy boyfriends if they are not cowards.:lol:

If PAC wins I will be off for 6 months, and afterward I will have
PAC avatar for one bonus month - are you taking this deal :deal ?

[doknochrisan]

How credible is boxrec?

[theunderdog]

You are his nuthugger but not the bad one. I said his record is poor
in therms of p4p status, Morales wsn't in his peak when he lost to PAc
and PAC even not schooled was beaten for most of the fight or as somebody
said OUT-TECHNIQUED by Marquez. PAC record is really great but get some
reality, it do not warrant him to be #1 as you claim all over.

What I want from you in all my posts is to show something whch
might back up your claims for him to be #1 p4p.

1) So is he really able to OUT-TECHINIQUE Marquez the next time?

2) Was win over Morales the definig win of his career whch guarantee him be #1 p4p?

3) Is he really top notch by agreeing to fight fading Barrera for the second
time so he will have status "ATG killer" like Tarver had or maybe he should
clean up the division and take finally on someone with the belt?

Don't be shy give the answer, if you bak it up I will shut up with
PAC threads for 3 months for free with PAC avatar for one month b
onus regrdlees his Barrera fight.

Can you back up your nuthuggery or not?

again, if you find a post by me that stated pac should be number 1 p4p, then post it here and i will be owned by you forever. his record is not poor even in p4p standars idiot. dude, seriously, you've been calling me a nuthugger and not one did you post anything that i have said to prove that i am indeed one. how can you prove i'm a nuthugger? because i'm shutting you up with you pac hating?

seriously, post anything i said that will prove i'm a nuthugger, i fucking dare you boy. and to answer your questions

1. i don't think he will out-technique jmm if ever they fight but i do believe he'll beat jmm. jmm is a great technical fighter. pac will never be a technical fighter. but pac will beat him in a rematch because he does not solely rely on his left anymore.
2. the morales win was a defining moment in pac's career together with the mab win anyone who say that it is not a defining moment is on crack, but it doesn't crown him p4p#1, i've never claimed that, i never will. he MAY become p4p though is both pbf and hopkins lose their next fights and pac beats mab, jmm and either the winner of guzman soto
3. belts ain't worth shit. i wanted him to fight soto, you can dig some of my posts and see that i was pushing for that but the mab fight is ok. it won't move him to number #1p4p even if he ktfo's mab in 5 secs which he won't. i'm happy that pac is fighting mab rather than belt holder mzonke freaking fana! the mab fight makes sense. high reward \, relatively low risk

dude, dig some of my posts to prove i'm a nuthugger, i dare you.

[theunderdog]

I prefer a 3 month leave. Take it or leave it. If you don't take it, you're a coward. :deal


take the 6 month bet domngo.

[Stinky gloves]

I prefer a 3 month leave. Take it or leave it. If you don't take it, you're a coward. :deal

I have in deep ass what you prefer, you calling me coward and claiming
that avatar bets are for sisies and off betts are for true man.

I'm giving you chance to back it up, I double you offer for me so I will
be 6 months off + one more month I will show full respect for PAC achievemnts.
But I have my own terms for you. 6 months for my 6 avatars for you.

Are you sissy enough or just regular coward?

[ripcity]

Manny Pacquiao is a bum and he has fought nothing but bums. I'm jokeing of course. Computers can't judge talant and skill just stats. For this reason I wouldn't read much in to boxrec's rankings.

[Stinky gloves]

again, if you find a post by me that stated pac should be number 1 p4p, then post it here and i will be owned by you forever. his record is not poor even in p4p standars idiot. dude, seriously, you've been calling me a nuthugger and not one did you post anything that i have said to prove that i am indeed one. how can you prove i'm a nuthugger? because i'm shutting you up with you pac hating?

seriously, post anything i said that will prove i'm a nuthugger, i fucking dare you boy. and to answer your questions

1. i don't think he will out-technique jmm if ever they fight but i do believe he'll beat jmm. jmm is a great technical fighter. pac will never be a technical fighter. but pac will beat him in a rematch because he does not solely rely on his left anymore.
2. the morales win was a defining moment in pac's career together with the mab win anyone who say that it is not a defining moment is on crack, but it doesn't crown him p4p#1, i've never claimed that, i never will. he MAY become p4p though is both pbf and hopkins lose their next fights and pac beats mab, jmm and either the winner of guzman soto
3. belts ain't worth shit. i wanted him to fight soto, you can dig some of my posts and see that i was pushing for that but the mab fight is ok. it won't move him to number #1p4p even if he ktfo's mab in 5 secs which he won't. i'm happy that pac is fighting mab rather than belt holder mzonke freaking fana! the mab fight makes sense. high reward \, relatively low risk

dude, dig some of my posts to prove i'm a nuthugger, i dare you.

I dont need to dig up, you just provided what I ask and full respect for you.:good
As for your nuthuggery, I'll tell you - you are nuthugger ...
but man who said its bad thing, you just proved you are the one who isn't blind?

[blackstrider]

Yes records speak for itself, he isn't God he retired shot Morales and
he did not beat Marquez, he was schooled by him for 11 rounds.
He did enough to be at #11 p4p by the record book :smoke .

I like him however to be within #3 because he is exciting fighter
and most other guys who have better record are less exciting
or fight less know names.

Again PAC is future ATG but he is not God as you nuthugger thinks.
His record is not as good as you try to convince people.

Who said pac is God brainless?:rasta

[Stinky gloves]

Who said pac is God brainless?:rasta

So how will you call him on your own?

[Stinky gloves]

Okay. I'm very glad to accept this challenge. Dig your grave now. :lol::lol::lol:

Finally we resolved the situation. So back to the topic will you?

[theHawtness]

I know I know he should be higher, at least at #2. He is duking nobody beside
Guzman and he beat all Mexicans he could beside Guzman .....ups he is not Mexican :oops:.

However if you think clearly, boxrec gives points not due to fighter popularity or how
excited are his fans with his wins but its very valuable measure of the win quality.

So if you beat somebody exciting but who have bad record then sorry it counts poorly.
So no matter how you count, PAC do not have win over Marquez and his wins over Morales
are just wins over shot fighetr with very bad recent record.

Reasumming, the win over Barrera form 4 years ago and recent wins
over Larios and Solis gives only #11 p4p ... record speaks for itself :smoke
wtf are you talkin about?!

[psychopath]

Damn . . . I love that list. :yep

Cris John is rated higher than Hatton, Calzaghe, Taylor and Mosley. Then Chirstian Mijares is rated higher than Pacquiao, Marquez and Cotto.

:bart :rofl :-( :huh :verysad

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[boxbox]

hehehe...did someone take this seriously?

[reed_man02]

the only way i can make sense of this is that pacman didnt get much credit for beating morales in the rematch because he was coming off a loss and wasnt ranked very high on the p4p list since it was a lopsided loss. combined that with the fact that pacman recently lost to morales, the rematch win probably didnt do much for pacman. the third fight morales was coming off of two losses and one by ko so certainly pac didnt get much credit for that as well. larios was also coming off a ko loss and was moving up two weight classes. i didnt know who solis was when he fought pac and still dont know who he is. finally, im assuming the mab win isnt factored in so much now because it happened four years ago.

[Morrissey]

You are his nuthugger but not the bad one. I said his record is poor
in therms of p4p status, Morales wsn't in his peak when he lost to PAc
and PAC even not schooled was beaten for most of the fight or as somebody
said OUT-TECHNIQUED by Marquez. PAC record is really great but get some
reality, it do not warrant him to be #1 as you claim all over.

What I want from you in all my posts is to show something whch
might back up your claims for him to be #1 p4p.

1) So is he really able to OUT-TECHINIQUE Marquez the next time?

2) Was win over Morales the definig win of his career whch guarantee him be #1 p4p?

3) Is he really top notch by agreeing to fight fading Barrera for the second
time so he will have status "ATG killer" like Tarver had or maybe he should
clean up the division and take finally on someone with the belt?

Don't be shy give the answer, if you bak it up I will shut up with
PAC threads for 3 months for free with PAC avatar for one month b
onus regrdlees his Barrera fight.

Can you back up your nuthuggery or not?


:lol:

I bet you are 16 years old.

[knockout]

What happen to this thread? :lol: :smoke

[Morrissey]

It is a joke.

The threadstarter does not know what to do with his obsession with Pac and his fans that he contradicts himself for most of the time, and looking like a clueless poster.

Funny guy..:lol:

[Scar]

#11?!, that's bullshit.

[digiram]

One lost t B-hop @ LHW and Winky falls of the face of the planet???

Boxrec's rankings are a joke.

[Stinky gloves]

One lost t B-hop @ LHW and Winky falls of the face of the planet???

Boxrec's rankings are a joke.

Hi didn't won with Taylor either, his last significant win was against ..... and when ... :huh ?