View Full Version : Who Did Tyson Ever Beat......
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 09:42 AM
To give any one of you the slightest bit of confidence that he would have a shot against a Prime Ali?
Muhammad Ali was pretty much unbeatable in his Prime. He lost a 15 round war to Frazier, but that was after his 3 year layoff and returned to beat Frazier twice after that.
Tyson is a mental midget and would have been beaten before the fight even started by Ali. Just like the tomatoe Cans they fed Tyson in his prime were completely psyched out and beaten before he even threw his first punch, he would be against Ali.
Prime Tyson wasn't as good as a Prime Frazier or Prime Foreman. I don't even think he was as good as Liston.
So who did he beat in his prime that was anywhere near Ali's caliber?
If there was anyone near Ali's calibre then he would've gotten more attention than Tyson, but guys like that don't appear every year you know.
Tysons best win was not Spinks , it was in fact Larry Holmes, I know Holmes was a bit passed it , but he was never destroyed like that and since then he came back and beat a prime Ray mErcer and was still a good fighter,. Tyson raped him though.
Another major victory Tyson has had was Tyrell Biggs, Tyrell was in his prime and undefeated at the time, not to forget that he was also an Olympic Gold Medalist with serious skills and handspeed/movement. Tyson doesn't get any credit for it because of what happened to Tyrell AFTER that fight, drugs and losing to Lewis..etc, in reality Tyrell trained 100% for Tyson and was actually doing great early in the fight till Tyson broke him down with his own speed/movement/stamina and massive power.
tillman78
08-08-2007, 09:48 AM
He never fought a hall of fame fighter in his prime and Ali fought several.
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 09:49 AM
If there was anyone near Ali's calibre then he would've gotten more attention than Tyson, but guys like that don't appear every year you know.
Do you think a Prime Tyson would have beaten a Prime Ali. And if so; how and why? Ali fought guys on Tysons level and beat them. Frazier fought guys on Tysons level and beat them. Foreman fought guys on Tysons level and beat them. You see? Tyson can not be compared fairly to these guys because his opposition sucks compared to them. He got his ass kicked by Buster Douglas for crying out loud. Not caught by a lucky punch but out fought and beat up, and don't give me shit about him being out of shape because he was still going strong late in the fight and was getting raped from round 1 on.
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 09:54 AM
I think people forget that Ali was even with Liston before Liston quit on his stool. He wasn't handing out a ferocious beating or anything and had barely survivec his eyesight going.
Tyson was faster and more adept at finding combos. I think Ali would have won, but it would have been a war.
Obviously Liston didn't agree with you :good
Do you think a Prime Tyson would have beaten a Prime Ali. And if so; how and why? Ali fought guys on Tysons level and beat them. Frazier fought guys on Tysons level and beat them. Foreman fought guys on Tysons level and beat them. You see? Tyson can not be compared fairly to these guys because his opposition sucks compared to them. He got his ass kicked by Buster Douglas for crying out loud. Not caught by a lucky punch but out fought and beat up, and don't give me shit about him being out of shape because he was still going strong late in the fight and was getting raped from round 1 on.
No I don't think that a prime Tyson would've beaten prime Ali but I do believe that it would've been competitive while it lasts. About the Douglas loss, yes I do believe that Tyson was out of shape and his performance was bullshit from start to end and he lasted as long as he did because of his physical strength and ability to take a punch. However, compare his performance that night with many before it and you'll get the picture, if you don't then it's your problem and I'd rather not discuss it(done over 1 million times and got sick of it). The proof is out there for anyone that wants to look deep into it.
GazOC
08-08-2007, 09:56 AM
Pinklon Thomas is an underated win for Tyson, But no, I don't think he;d beat Ali.
I think people forget that Ali was even with Liston before Liston quit on his stool. He wasn't handing out a ferocious beating or anything and had barely survivec his eyesight going.
Tyson was faster and more adept at finding combos. I think Ali would have won, but it would have been a war.
Ali was even with Liston?, give me a break. Ali beat the shit out of Liston and the only round Liston looks competitive was when he cheated with the powder he shoved in Ali's eye to blur his vision.
Pinklon Thomas is an underated win for Tyson, But no, I don't think he;d beat Ali.
I agree, another underrated win. Tucker as well, Bonecrusher Smith, Spinks, Bruno, Ruddock, Tubbs, Berbick and others. All those are very good wins in my opinion but they're not considered anything because of how Tyson made most opponents look in there and instead of getting credit for it, his opponents are called bums.
Holmes came of from a few years lay-off and had hardly any time to prepare and was past it. That canīt be his best win. On paper perhaps but when you look at the circumstances it canīt be.
I agree but it was a good win and no one has come close to doing anything like that to Holmes all his career.
Betty Swollocks
08-08-2007, 10:09 AM
Tyson fought little but total chumps on his title run. I'll give you Holmes (though old), Tucker, Ruddock and Sammy Scaff........apart from that it was chump after chump including a blown up and petrified Spinks.
I agree, another underrated win. Tucker as well, Bonecrusher Smith, Spinks, Bruno, Ruddock, Tubbs, Berbick and others. All those are very good wins in my opinion but they're not considered anything because of how Tyson made most opponents look in there and instead of getting credit for it, his opponents are called bums.
Agreed because of the ease in which he beat his opponents, they are labeled as bum because they failed to give the then best fighter in the world a worthy challenge. But what needs to be taken into account the ease and the age at which Tyson beat these guys.
Now if you take Mike out of that time line what would the heavy weight picture have looked like , who would have been considered the best ? Spinks , Holems , Tucker , Berbick, biggs,bruno, Rudduck , lets remember these where the best of the best at the time and Tyson totally cleaned out the devision before the age of 24 .. so who did tyson beat ? everyone ...
Marnoff
08-08-2007, 10:30 AM
To give any one of you the slightest bit of confidence that he would have a shot against a Prime Ali?
Muhammad Ali was pretty much unbeatable in his Prime. He lost a 15 round war to Frazier, but that was after his 3 year layoff and returned to beat Frazier twice after that.
Tyson is a mental midget and would have been beaten before the fight even started by Ali. Just like the tomatoe Cans they fed Tyson in his prime were completely psyched out and beaten before he even threw his first punch, he would be against Ali.
Prime Tyson wasn't as good as a Prime Frazier or Prime Foreman. I don't even think he was as good as Liston.
So who did he beat in his prime that was anywhere near Ali's caliber?
Ali may have had his ass knocked out if not for Dundee tearing his glove and buying him time.
Edit: Oh, and Mike Tyson threw a better left hook than that guy.
MacManJr.
08-08-2007, 10:32 AM
To give any one of you the slightest bit of confidence that he would have a shot against a Prime Ali?
Muhammad Ali was pretty much unbeatable in his Prime. He lost a 15 round war to Frazier, but that was after his 3 year layoff and returned to beat Frazier twice after that.
Tyson is a mental midget and would have been beaten before the fight even started by Ali. Just like the tomatoe Cans they fed Tyson in his prime were completely psyched out and beaten before he even threw his first punch, he would be against Ali.
Prime Tyson wasn't as good as a Prime Frazier or Prime Foreman. I don't even think he was as good as Liston.
So who did he beat in his prime that was anywhere near Ali's caliber? I couldnt agree more. The only notable win on his resume is Spinks. Holmes was too old.
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 10:32 AM
:lol: First of all, he was better than a prime Frazier, and you say you don't even think he was as good as a prime Liston like Liston was worse than Frazier or Foreman. Liston was better than both. Tyson beats all 3 in my opinion, with Liston giving him the toughest fight, and maybe winning.
I think Ali beats Tyson, but Tyson in his prime at his peak condition and trained by Kevin Rooney has a chance with any fighter ever. He dominated Spinks and Holmes, who were not half bad in case you didn't know, as well as blowing a hole through the division by dominating most other contenders/title holders.
Tomato cans they fed him in his prime? :lol: Do you even know what you're talking about? Which tomato can did a prime, title holding Mike fight?
Tyson was better than Foreman, Frazier and liston :yikes Liston was better than a prime Foreman :yikes
Tomatoe Cans you ask? Turn on ESPN Classics they show him beating up cab drivers and janitors on a daily basis.
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 10:37 AM
Another major victory Tyson has had was Tyrell Biggs, Tyrell was in his prime and undefeated at the time, not to forget that he was also an Olympic Gold Medalist with serious skills and handspeed/movement. Tyson doesn't get any credit for it because of what happened to Tyrell AFTER that fight, drugs and losing to Lewis..etc, in reality Tyrell trained 100% for Tyson and was actually doing great early in the fight till Tyson broke him down with his own speed/movement/stamina and massive power.
He had like 10 fights...against nobodies :rofl
He had like 10 fights...against nobodies :rofl
Nobodies to you or not he was still a very good opponent at the time.
Tyson was better than Foreman, Frazier and liston :yikes Liston was better than a prime Foreman :yikes
Tomatoe Cans you ask? Turn on ESPN Classics they show him beating up cab drivers and janitors on a daily basis.
how was liston better then a prime Tyson ? his only noted win was Floyd Patterson and he only defended the title once lost it and never held it again afterwards or even considered a threat to the title ..
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 10:48 AM
how was liston better then a prime Tyson ? his only noted win was Floyd Patterson and he only defended the title once lost it and never held it again afterwards or even considered a threat to the title ..
And Tyson did what? His noted win agaisnt Patterson is more impressive then anythign Tyson did at all. And Liston lost the title to Ali in one of the greatest eras of Heavyweight boxing history.
MacManJr.
08-08-2007, 10:51 AM
I don't know about Liston but I think a prime Foreman would murder a prime Tyson.
And Tyson did what? His noted win agaisnt Patterson is more impressive then anythign Tyson did at all. And Liston lost the title to Ali in one of the greatest eras of Heavyweight boxing history.
Palease man you got to be Joking right ?!?! The man made one title defense against a guy that was scared going into both fights. Tyson on the other cleaned out the devision and fought the best that the devision had to offer not only did he clean out the devision he did it in spectacular fashion ..All liston has is a reputation that translated into one title win , liston does not even come close to achieving what tyson has done.
I don't know about Liston but I think a prime Foreman would murder a prime Tyson.
really lets looks this, both fighter have KO power
Speed -Tyson
combination punching -tyson
Stamina -Tyson
Chins - Tyson
punching -power Id give the edge to Forman but in this case it really does matter both fighter can lay you out flat but tyson had a better delivery system to both the body and the head.
Id favor a fast prime tyson over a prime slow prodig forman.
barneyrub
08-08-2007, 11:37 AM
His best opponent that he beat was Tucker.
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 11:38 AM
really lets looks this, both fighter have KO power
Speed -Tyson
combination punching -tyson
Stamina -Tyson
Chins - Tyson
punching -power Id give the edge to Forman but in this case it really does matter both fighter can lay you out flat but tyson had a better delivery system to both the body and the head.
Id favor a fast prime tyson over a prime slow prodig forman.
Tendancy to turn into a little bitch when somebody stood up to him - Tyson
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Tendancy to turn into a little bitch when somebody stood up to him - Tyson
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really you mean the way Razor hammered his chin in there first fight and tyson kept coming forward .. or when he took his beating on his feat in his lost against Holyfield 1 ..
The only thing you can hold against Tyson is his self-destruction of himself had this not happen who know what this man could have accomplish ,but what little he did in the short time frame he did it, is nothing short of Amazing .
BewareofDawg
08-08-2007, 11:48 AM
really you mean the way Razor hammered his chin in there first fight and tyson kept coming forward .. or when he took his beating on his feat in his lost against Holyfield 1 ..
The only thing you can hold against Tyson is his self-destruction of himself had this not happen who know what this man could have accomplish ,but what little he did in the short time frame he did it, is nothing short of Amazing .
He was amazing. I might be a little rough on him :good
El Bombasto
08-08-2007, 11:55 AM
Tysons best win was not Spinks , it was in fact Larry Holmes, I know Holmes was a bit passed it , but he was never destroyed like that and since then he came back and beat a prime Ray mErcer and was still a good fighter,. Tyson raped him though.
and larry holmes smoked ali
Skital
08-08-2007, 12:23 PM
Ali didn't look unbeatable against Doug Jones or when he nearly got KO'd and was saved against Henry Cooper. Fighting Tyson would've been like fighting some kind of Frazier/Foreman hybrid but with speed, combinations and better defense.
Skital
08-08-2007, 12:25 PM
The only time Tyson failed to conquer someone as a pro was after Rooney left. His defensive skills were on a big decline and he was becoming a head hunter. The fighters that beat him never fought the real Tyson trained under Rooney (and Cus).
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08-08-2007, 12:26 PM
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Some good Tyson moments(verbal not boxing)
jecxbox
08-08-2007, 12:29 PM
Would have been nice to see Tyson fight back in the era of Ali, Frazier, Foreman..Just to see what he was really made out of. His personal life and stardom completely destroyed Tyson..the media turned this man into a monster.
El Bombasto
08-08-2007, 12:35 PM
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ripcity
08-08-2007, 12:38 PM
I have a problem with threeds like this. Tyson or any boxer never fought anyone. Tyson or Ali or Louis and others are at such a high level that their talent and skills dwarf those of their opoents. If you look at any great boxer's record you will see that he had plenty of fights with fighters that were not at his level, but if you take a look at those opoents you would realize that they were very good and exlent boxers them selves. There is a huge gap between the elite and the exlent in boxing.
You can take an elite boxer like Tyson, Ali,Louis, etc,etc. and plug them in to any eria of boxing and they would still dominate.
El Bombasto
08-08-2007, 12:39 PM
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oh yeah, ali also lost to this guy
jecxbox
08-08-2007, 12:40 PM
I have a problem with threeds like this. Tyson or any boxer never fought anyone. Tyson or Ali or Louis and others are at such a high level that their talent and skills dwarf those of their opoents. If you look at any great boxer's record you will see that he had plenty of fights with fighters that were not at his level, but if you take a look at those opoents you would realize that they were very good and exlent boxers them selves. There is a huge gap between the elite and the exlent in boxing.
You can take an elite boxer like Tyson, Ali,Louis, etc,etc. and plug them in to any eria of boxing and they would still dominate.
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He was amazing. I might be a little rough on him :good
he was and I totally forgot the uppercut Tucker laid on him that took him completely off his feet and he kept coming ..
No doubt Mike let allot of boxing fan down with his downward spiral , because at the time of his rain he was the living embodiment of boxing.
no matter who Mike was fighting you always got a show , mike was like a walking 4th of July you just never get tired of lighting fireworks and blowing shit up :yep :lol:
somebody always got KTFO in big fashion .:lol:
sues2nd
08-08-2007, 01:40 PM
To give any one of you the slightest bit of confidence that he would have a shot against a Prime Ali?
Muhammad Ali was pretty much unbeatable in his Prime. He lost a 15 round war to Frazier, but that was after his 3 year layoff and returned to beat Frazier twice after that.
Tyson is a mental midget and would have been beaten before the fight even started by Ali. Just like the tomatoe Cans they fed Tyson in his prime were completely psyched out and beaten before he even threw his first punch, he would be against Ali.
Prime Tyson wasn't as good as a Prime Frazier or Prime Foreman. I don't even think he was as good as Liston.
So who did he beat in his prime that was anywhere near Ali's caliber?
Ive been saying this for awhile.
He did beat a few good fighters. Older Holmes, Light Spinks, Ruddock, etc....but he never, EVER beat a great one. And everytime he fought a great one, he lost bad. To Holyfield the first time...then was losing the second time. To Lewis. And any of the other of the VERY GOOD fighters of that era, he never fought (Bowe, Mercer, McCall).
I think Tyson's reign was outstanding...albeit brief...dominating enough to get him mention among the top 10 ATG HWs, but the people saying he is #1 or even in the top 5 are delusional fanboys.
He should be ranked 7-12 all time for HW and no way in holy hell if he favored to beat a Prime Ali, a Prime Frazier, a Prime Foreman, a Prime Liston, a Prime Holmes either for that matter.
Although, in every one of those fights...he would ALWAYS have that dangerous one punch chance.
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To give any one of you the slightest bit of confidence that he would have a shot against a Prime Ali?
Muhammad Ali was pretty much unbeatable in his Prime. He lost a 15 round war to Frazier, but that was after his 3 year layoff and returned to beat Frazier twice after that.
Tyson is a mental midget and would have been beaten before the fight even started by Ali. Just like the tomatoe Cans they fed Tyson in his prime were completely psyched out and beaten before he even threw his first punch, he would be against Ali.
Prime Tyson wasn't as good as a Prime Frazier or Prime Foreman. I don't even think he was as good as Liston.
So who did he beat in his prime that was anywhere near Ali's caliber?vitaly and wlad are the greatest of all time, right?..... :rofl :rofl
Ive been saying this for awhile.
He did beat a few good fighters. Older Holmes, Light Spinks, Ruddock, etc....but he never, EVER beat a great one. And everytime he fought a great one, he lost bad. To Holyfield the first time...then was losing the second time. To Lewis. And any of the other of the VERY GOOD fighters of that era, he never fought (Bowe, Mercer, McCall).
I think Tyson's reign was outstanding...albeit brief...dominating enough to get him mention among the top 10 ATG HWs, but the people saying he is #1 or even in the top 5 are delusional fanboys.
He should be ranked 7-12 all time for HW and no way in holy hell if he favored to beat a Prime Ali, a Prime Frazier, a Prime Foreman, a Prime Liston, a Prime Holmes either for that matter.
Although, in every one of those fights...he would ALWAYS have that dangerous one punch chance.
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let be honest hear Bow, Mercer , Mcall and even Holyfield happen after Tyson not during Tyson rain ,buy the time Tyson was out of prison the only true Challenge was Holyfield .
Again Tyson did well for what was in front of him at the time
Feiti
08-08-2007, 02:30 PM
Tysons resume is mostly impressive because of the volume of upper level heavyweights he beat in such a short time and because he was so young while he did it.
I think a prime Tyson would stand a chance against any heavyweight of any time. Tyson lost to Douglas and Ali would probably have lost to Cooper if not for being saved by the bell and then the delay in their fight. Lewis lost to McCall and Rahman. Prime Holyfield lost to Moorer. Therefore itīs ridiculous to say Tyson couldnīt beat Ali or Ali couldnīt beat Tyson.
McGrain
08-08-2007, 02:42 PM
Ali was even with Liston?, give me a break. Ali beat the shit out of Liston and the only round Liston looks competitive was when he cheated with the powder he shoved in Ali's eye to blur his vision.
They were very close to even on the judges cards.
It seems unlikely that Liston would be in on it even if a decision was made in the corner to put something on the gloves.
Tysons resume is mostly impressive because of the volume of upper level heavyweights he beat in such a short time and because he was so young while he did it.
I think a prime Tyson would stand a chance against any heavyweight of any time. Tyson lost to Douglas and Ali would probably have lost to Cooper if not for being saved by the bell and then the delay in their fight. Lewis lost to McCall and Rahman. Prime Holyfield lost to Moorer. Therefore itīs ridiculous to say Tyson couldnīt beat Ali or Ali couldnīt beat Tyson.
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sues2nd
08-08-2007, 03:15 PM
let be honest hear Bow, Mercer , Mcall and even Holyfield happen after Tyson not during Tyson rain ,buy the time Tyson was out of prison the only true Challenge was Holyfield .
Again Tyson did well for what was in front of him at the time
He did do well with who he fought and I mentioned that.
But, it still remains, whether people want to see it or not....he was protected to a certain extent.
Bowe in the early 90s, before Tyson went to prison was just starting to come into his own and was alot more highly thought of at that time then alot of the people Tyson did fight. Same with Mercer...same with a few others.
I wasnt attempting to rip Tyson, I thoroughly enjoyed his reign...he was dominant in ways that very few (if any) have...so dominant in fact that even tho he never defeated a great fighter in their prime, he is still considered one of the 10 greatest HWs of all time.
What I was trying to do is put his reign into better perspective. As well as his all time ranking and how he would be favored or not going head to head with other ATGs.
(as I said, he would have a punchers chance vs ANYONE EVER...but if we are talking favorites....he wouldnt be expected to beat those fighters...)
hobgoblin
08-08-2007, 03:37 PM
To give any one of you the slightest bit of confidence that he would have a shot against a Prime Ali?
Muhammad Ali was pretty much unbeatable in his Prime. He lost a 15 round war to Frazier, but that was after his 3 year layoff and returned to beat Frazier twice after that.
Tyson is a mental midget and would have been beaten before the fight even started by Ali. Just like the tomatoe Cans they fed Tyson in his prime were completely psyched out and beaten before he even threw his first punch, he would be against Ali.
Prime Tyson wasn't as good as a Prime Frazier or Prime Foreman. I don't even think he was as good as Liston.
So who did he beat in his prime that was anywhere near Ali's caliber?
No one. Muhammad Ali would beat him fairly easily with some rough spots. You absolutely needed consistent strategy to break down a figher like Ali - Tyson didn't have it.
Although prime for prime he could beat your boy Lewis. 50/50 The significance of the 2002 fight has heavily waned - as it should have. As for the guy that said Tyson can't hurt Foreman - who are you kidding? Think about it. Foreman admitted that Frazier hurt in with the left hook too. If you mean seriously hurt / KD - Tyson could do it. Some fighters take certain types of punches better than others (Ali's Achilles heel is left hook, Lewis' Achilles heel it is right hand, for Tyson it is the uppercut, etc). Tyson had EVERY KIND of punch imagineable because he was one of the greatest punchers of all time. His right hand alone had multiple variations e.g. straight, lead (they are NOT the same), hook, overhand and could land it with blinding speed. Foreman was susceptible to getting staggered by the fast punches of Ali. Although Tyson's speed was different from Ali's in terms of effect due to reach, in this case the two would have the same effect.
cannon5974
08-08-2007, 03:39 PM
Ali beats him , of course
Ali wouldn't get out of the 1st round. Tyson was bigger, stronger, more powerfull, and much faster than Frazier! Ali would of been overwhelmed!
sues2nd
08-08-2007, 06:43 PM
Ali wouldn't get out of the 1st round. Tyson was bigger, stronger, more powerfull, and much faster than Frazier! Ali would of been overwhelmed!
He also was shorter, wasnt half as smart of a fighter, didnt have the same chin, wasnt nearly as polished as far as skills go, you could keep going.
If every fight was won by the bigger, stronger, more powerful guy...fighters like Pernell Whitaker and SRL and PBF wouldnt exist.
And lets not forget, George Foreman was also bigger, stronger, more powerful and much faster than Frazier and what did Ali do to him? Hell what would Foreman do Tyson for that matter?
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who did vitali and wlad ever beat??????? ohhhh ya danny williams....and jameel mcline:smoke
magnificentdave
08-08-2007, 07:39 PM
even Foreman rates tyson above himself...
JAM Killer
08-08-2007, 07:46 PM
Tyson has never beat anyone to suggest that he could beat a prime Ali, and Ali has never beat anyone to suggest that he would beat a prime Tyson. Both were very unique fighters, there were not others like them.
sir axeman
08-08-2007, 07:52 PM
Its a shame Tyson was self destructive as I feel his greatness would have been without question and his achievments even higher had he the mentalality of someone like Lennox Lewis or Holyfield. Strong sound minds, thinkers. Not hot headed raging animals like Tyson could become when he flipped. That said, he only showed his true colours...without boxing he'd just have been the same person he showed signs of being from time to time (off the rails, mentally unstable).
Tyson did all he could in the division at the time. after he came out of prison, he was never the same. And I think like many before him, he got satisfied once he became wealthy ie the hunger wasn't there the same as it once was on the way up and when he first got to the top. After a while it was all about money and financial security...despite the leeches that he had around him.
He said after his last fight that he "didnt have the fighting guts anymore", and if he was honest hadnt had them for years! He got rich and lost his hunger. didnt have the character of many great champions before him ie strong mental character and a passion to win when it wasnt going his way.
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