View Full Version : Roy Jones vs. Montell Griffin 2
Rattler
08-08-2007, 10:11 AM
When I think of fights, that were over before they even started, this is the penultimate example of that. You could tell that Jones had no use for anything other than shutting Griffin up and ending all pretense that Griffin deserved to be in the same ring with him.
If there was ever any fight where I would've felt confident betting the farm on, it was this one.
Sizzle
08-08-2007, 10:27 AM
Still lost the first one
LogDog69
08-08-2007, 10:45 AM
Still lost the first one
Oh yea, Roy really got his ass handed to him in the first one. :roll:
Dostoevsky
08-08-2007, 10:51 AM
Griffen was actually winning the 1st fight...
My dinner with Conteh
08-08-2007, 10:59 AM
Griffen was actually winning the 1st fight...
Jones was actually ahead- although Griffin was giving him kittens.
Sizzle
08-08-2007, 11:07 AM
Oh yea, Roy really got his ass handed to him in the first one. :roll:
He got himself disqualified like a jackass. Regardless of the scorecards I think Roy thought he was behind and took the easy way out.
LogDog69
08-08-2007, 02:39 PM
He got himself disqualified like a jackass. Regardless of the scorecards I think Roy thought he was behind and took the easy way out.
Yea that's it. :-(
Stonehands89
08-08-2007, 02:51 PM
Let's not overestimate Griffin in the first fight... he did far better than expected and was frustrating Roy but there was no iminent upset. Their was one, ONE reason why Griffin was doing well and that was because he listened to the wizard in his corner --Eddie Futch. Eddie wasn't there for the rematch.
Rematch minus Eddie equals -"no chance".
JohnThomas1
08-08-2007, 04:39 PM
Let's not overestimate Griffin in the first fight... he did far better than expected and was frustrating Roy but there was no iminent upset. Their was one, ONE reason why Griffin was doing well and that was because he listened to the wizard in his corner --Eddie Futch. Eddie wasn't there for the rematch.
Rematch minus Eddie equals -"no chance".
I was just about to post this, strangely enough Eddie agree's. It was poetic justice on a camp that ditched the great man.
HECDAWG
08-08-2007, 05:22 PM
It didn't matter what trainer Griffin had for the fight because RJJ was not there to box he was there take Griffin's head off. That was the most agresive RJJ at LH.
Stonehands89
08-08-2007, 10:49 PM
It didn't matter what trainer Griffin had for the fight because RJJ was not there to box he was there take Griffin's head off. That was the most agresive RJJ at LH.
Tyson was there to take Holyfield's head off. Hearns was there to take Hagler's head off. Foreman was there to take Jimmy Young's head off. Miranda was there to take Pavlik's head off!
Lesson #1: Sheer aggression is rarely enough when you are dealing with even a half-decent boxer.
Lesson #2: Never dismiss the strategic mastery of perhaps THE greatest trainer who ever lived ... Eddie Futch.
ripcity
08-09-2007, 12:04 AM
acording to boxrec Jones was ahead on 2 score cards. I thought Griffin was winning though.
In their first fight I had it even after 8, however in the sixth round I believe it was, Roy was credited with a knockdown in a round Griffin was winning. The KD was not legit imo, as Roy leapt in with a hook and tripped Griffin with his foot, after bumping into him ala the Toney KD (also not legit imo). This was a 3 point swing (10-9 Griffin to 10-8 Jones), and so if not for that KD, Griffin would have enjoyed a sizeable lead heading into the ninth, when he was forced to take a knee.
According to Compubox (and off the top of my head :D) Griffin had landed 25 or so more punches than Roy and was landing at a 20 percent higher connect rate after 8 rounds. :admin
Yeah it's safe to say Montell deserves some props for how he fared against a prime RJJ.
Senya13
08-09-2007, 05:38 AM
Compubox doesn't know shit. Take 1st round, for example. If watched closely, with slow motion playback and replays, Jones landed more punches than Griffin (6-5), but if I remember right, Compubox stats were way off.
Stonehands89
08-09-2007, 04:46 PM
Dear Senya-Roy,
if compu box came out and said that Roy Jones was the most accurate puncher of all-time you'd be throwing that around like candy, now wouldn't you.
Sincerely,
~ Anyone familiar with your posts.
Vantage_West
08-09-2007, 05:07 PM
Oh yea, Roy really got his ass handed to him in the first one. :roll:he did roy wasnt hitting him then when he did he was kneeling on the canvas.i think it robbed montell of a win that he could of got
i persoannly feel that montell got hit with a few shots while down and thought im ahead on the cards if i drop i could get a technical decision and did the face first routine.
montell is severely underate espeaciialy for his size
Vantage_West
08-09-2007, 05:11 PM
No, he wasn't.yeah he was
Lampley
08-09-2007, 05:31 PM
Jones was getting stronger and Griffin was weakening. It was pretty easy to see where the fight was headed, particularly given the score at the time and the KD that had to be factored in. And, of course, Griffin may have been stopped legitimately thereafter.
But Roy obviously deserved the DQ.
IceJohnScully
04-13-2011, 10:38 AM
True story, for what its worth...a few days before that rematch I was on the phone with Roy's lawyer's son who was coming into town for the fight...I asked him how RJ felt, etc...and he told me this, "Roy was over here the other night talking to my dad and he said we could bet our house and all our bank accounts on the fight not going more than two rounds."
That was a good five days before the fight.
this is the fight when roy became my favorite fighter. i had always admired his skills and knew he was the best fighter in the world but this rematch was brutal. i remember a few days before the fight, philip holiday was fighting shane mosley on hbo and both jones and griffin were there. jones was going crazy and griffin looked scared shitless. i'm not sure anyone that ever fought at 175 could have beat jones that night.
in the first fight, i had griffin up a point going into the 9th. griffin went down and jones was on his way to a decision win at worst if not for the dq. imo, the dq was the best thing that happened to jones. he got his fire back for a few years after that fight.
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Jones was getting stronger and Griffin was weakening. It was pretty easy to see where the fight was headed, particularly given the score at the time and the KD that had to be factored in. And, of course, Griffin may have been stopped legitimately thereafter.
But Roy obviously deserved the DQ.
i agree, roy should have been dq'ed but why does tyson get to hit norris intentionally way after the bell and it's ruled a no contest. or better yet, why does riddick bowe get a no contest after hitting buster mathis, jr when he was down??
Bogotazo
04-13-2011, 11:19 PM
I think Roy is right in terms of the Referee not being there when he should have. It's hard to be right there every second when guys are running all around the ring, but a fighter can get caught up in the moment. A DQ is the only rational thing to do in that situation I think, but Roy had a point in saying you never know if that fighter is going to get up off a knee and hit back while you're on the offensive.
As far as him really coming out to hurt Griffin and silence the critics, I agree. When he gave tours to school kids he would talk about how he liked to fight as a kid for fun, but never to hurt anybody, and in the post-fight interview he talked about how he doesn't like to hurt guys but he'll do what he has to do. I think by nature he likes to play around and dominate by boxing better and using his athleticism, but an angry RJJ could KO a whole lot of opponents early IMO.
PowerPuncher
04-14-2011, 03:12 AM
this is the fight when roy became my favorite fighter. i had always admired his skills and knew he was the best fighter in the world but this rematch was brutal. i remember a few days before the fight, philip holiday was fighting shane mosley on hbo and both jones and griffin were there. jones was going crazy and griffin looked scared shitless. i'm not sure anyone that ever fought at 175 could have beat jones that night.
in the first fight, i had griffin up a point going into the 9th. griffin went down and jones was on his way to a decision win at worst if not for the dq. imo, the dq was the best thing that happened to jones. he got his fire back for a few years after that fight.
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Would of been interesting to see Jones v Moorer/Holyfield in 98
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