Carnera v Dempsey? [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

mcvey

11-23-2008, 05:32 AM

Could" Jack The Giant Killer" "kill his Giant "again ?

Would Dempsey roll over Carnera like a tidal wave ,or could Primo weather the Maulers shots and make it into the later rounds?

young griffo

11-23-2008, 05:49 AM

Terrible match up for the gutsy but slow and limited giant.

Dempsey would administer as brutal a beating as ever seen in the ring I honestly believe.Jack was way too fast,aggressive,powerful and mean spirited for Carnera to hope to contend with.

Multiply what the equally as powerful but much less talented Baer could do by 10 and you'd have a fair idea what Dempsey would do to Primo I think.

Only a sadist would like to see this fight I believe.

janitor

11-23-2008, 06:49 AM

I think prime for prime we can pick Dempsey here and sleep well.

On a side note this fight almost happened. Dempsey was reffing one of carneras fights and threw a punch at the Ambling Alp for ignoring his instructions.

catasyou

11-23-2008, 06:59 AM

Jack had too much speed and power for Primo.This would be a sadistic pretty long beating cuz Carnera had heart and chin so he would soak up a few rounds of punishment until the fight gets stopped.Taht being said Carnera is very underrated.

he grant

11-23-2008, 09:10 AM

Surely all the Primo guys here have to give him at least a "punchers" chance ...

Loewe

11-23-2008, 10:13 AM

That would be similar to the Louis fight imo. Dempsey would be more fierce than Louis but Louis was the better finisher - not by much though. I still think Carnera lasts until the 6th or 7th but takes terrible punishment.

Vantage_West

11-23-2008, 10:22 AM

baer vs primo was a shoot out.

dempsey is not as small as everybody percieves. size factor isnt really that major. dempsey is used to running at opponants so he isnt gonna get confuzed by a stinging jab becuase primos jab is a bit weak and soft and bends in to apply it....anyways primo hates pressure and as soon as dempsey is in his groove (that could be 30 seconds into the fight) he takes him apart.

sad fight for primo.

timmers612

11-23-2008, 11:07 AM

Vantage, a side note about Primo's jab, Sharkey said after their second go that it was like getting hit by a telephone pole.

janitor

11-23-2008, 12:59 PM

Surely all the Primo guys here have to give him at least a "punchers" chance ...

Alas even the Primo guys have foresaken him here.

mcvey

11-23-2008, 01:04 PM

Surely all the Primo guys here have to give him at least a "punchers" chance ...
If all the Carnera boosters don't think Primo is in with a chance because of his vaunted power,what does that tell us?

janitor

11-23-2008, 01:15 PM

If all the Carnera boosters don't think Primo is in with a chance because of his vaunted power,what does that tell us?

I dont think that Carnera was an exceptionaly hard puncher. Hard for a heavyweight of the period perhaps but not for a heavyweight of his size.

mcvey

11-23-2008, 01:25 PM

I dont think that Carnera was an exceptionaly hard puncher. Hard for a heavyweight of the period perhaps but not for a heavyweight of his size.
Joe Louis on Carnera"He had nothing".

mcvey

11-23-2008, 01:34 PM

Louis was stung and hurt by Billy Conn,[no hitter] , who weighed 168 for their first fight.Carnera at 2601/2 ,641/2 lbs heavier than Louis's 196 ,couldn't even get his attention.Similarly Carnera at 270lbs facing a past it 186 lbs Loughran could not stagger his man once ,in fact Light hitting Loughran twice hurt Carnera.This was the Light heavy weight Luoghran who was kod by soft hitting Sharkey,who, himself only managed 15 career kos. GIVE IT UP WITH PRIMO!

Bad_Intentions

11-23-2008, 02:39 PM

janitor

11-23-2008, 03:27 PM

[quote=mcvey]Louis was stung and hurt by Billy Conn,[no hitter] , who weighed 168 for their first fight.Carnera at 2601/2 ,641/2 lbs heavier than Louis's 196 ,couldn't even get his attention.

Somtimes a small slick unpredictable fighter like Conn will hurt you in the way that a big predictable hitter wont.

Jersey Joe Walcott bounced Louis off the canvas like a ping pong ball while Max Baer (arguably the hardest hitter of all time) couldnt hurt him with his telegraphed rights.

Similarly Carnera at 270lbs facing a past it 186 lbs Loughran could not stagger his man once ,in fact Light hitting Loughran twice hurt Carnera.

Same phenomenon.

Slick boxers only need modest power to hurt you and medium power to be outright dangerous. If they have good power then they are verry verry dangerous.

GIVE IT UP WITH PRIMO!

The Ambling Alp needs sombody in his corner.

he grant

11-23-2008, 03:52 PM

The quiet is staggering ...

butler08

11-23-2008, 03:55 PM

jack would do the same thing he did to giant jess as primo wasnt much bigger than willard it would just have taken a littla longer like 15 seconds more

BIG DEE

11-23-2008, 04:07 PM

BIG DEE HERE= Dempsey by early rd KO maybe the 1st. Dempsey to fast for Carnera. Carnera had a hard left jab and a very hard uppercut but Dempsey would not allow Carnera to get in position to use it like Sharkey did. Carnera was never the same after the Baer beating as he lost all his nerve. Carnera did hurt Loughran several times in their fight. He hurt him in the late rds and
this sealed the win for Carnera. Loughran hurt Carnera several times with huge right hands up to the 8th rd but after that Carnera used his weight
and huge feet to control Loughran by breaking Tommy`s right big toe in the clnches by stomping on it.

mcvey

11-23-2008, 05:02 PM

[QUOTE]

Somtimes a small slick unpredictable fighter like Conn will hurt you in the way that a big predictable hitter wont.

Jersey Joe Walcott bounced Louis off the canvas like a ping pong ball while Max Baer (arguably the hardest hitter of all time) couldnt hurt him with his telegraphed rights.

Same phenomenon.

Slick boxers only need modest power to hurt you and medium power to be outright dangerous. If they have good power then they are verry verry dangerous.

The Ambling Alp needs sombody in his corner.
Well you got part of it right Carnera was" big and predictable".
Loughran had 14 stoppages in 174 fights.The Alp did not lack somebody in his corner,he had Walter "Good Time Charlie" Friedman ",Broadway Billy Duffy ", and Owney Madden,address Sing Sing.

janitor

11-23-2008, 05:04 PM

[quote=janitor]
Well you got part of it right Carnera was" big and predictable".

Jack Sharkey didnt find that uppercut too predictable on the day.

It is almost on a par with the punch Joe Walcott used to knock out Ezzard Charles.

mcvey

11-23-2008, 05:14 PM

[quote=mcvey]

Jack Sharkey didnt find that uppercut too predictable on the day.

It is almost on a par with the punch Joe Walcott used to knock out Ezzard Charles.
The difference was there was no splash when Charles fell from light hitting Walcott's punch,[32 kos in 51 wins].Not a patch on banger Primo.Even Sharkey's wife doubted him, as he told Pete Heller.

janitor

11-23-2008, 05:56 PM

[quote=janitor]
The difference was there was no splash when Charles fell from light hitting Walcott's punch,[32 kos in 51 wins].Not a patch on banger Primo.Even Sharkey's wife doubted him, as he told Pete Heller.

Sharkey hit the deck like a sack of potatoes dropped. If he was acting he deserves an oscar.

I rate Sharkey higher than most on this site and argue his case often but the reality is that Carnera starched him.

catasyou

11-23-2008, 06:48 PM

[quote=mcvey]

Sharkey hit the deck like a sack of potatoes dropped. If he was acting he deserves an oscar.

I rate Sharkey higher than most on this site and argue his case often but the reality is that Carnera starched him.That right hand would have killed Amir Khan and 3 of his relatives:good

Joe E

11-23-2008, 07:05 PM

It would be Willard all over again.

red cobra

11-24-2008, 09:34 AM

Dempsey would attack the slow, hapless giant like a panther on a Guernsey milk cow. It would resemble the Willard fight, only Primo didn't have the chin of Willard. A very bad matchup for Primo, somewhat like his fight with Baer, only Dempsey was a more purposeful, vicious killer than was Baer, and Dempsey wouldn't let up for a second with Carnera. A ko in 2 with about 6 or so knockdowns capped off with a full count knockout for the Manassa Mauler. It would be like the Firpo fight more than the one with Willard, only Carnera didn't have the power to deck Jack like Firpo did.

Rattler

11-24-2008, 09:56 AM

At the right angle, in the right spot, with the right punch, anybody can have a knockout that generally only comes to those with naturally savage punching power.

That's why styles are so important in picking fight outcomes.

mattdonnellon

11-24-2008, 10:03 AM

[quote=janitor]
The difference was there was no splash when Charles fell from light hitting Walcott's punch,[32 kos in 51 wins].Not a patch on banger Primo.Even Sharkey's wife doubted him, as he told Pete Heller.

Wives are like that!

Carnera to outbox Jack and pick-up an easy decision as boxing standards allways improve, year-on-year, just like Olympic running, lifting, swimming records etc.It's called natural progression.
Ps things a bit quite here at work.

mcvey

11-24-2008, 10:39 AM

Well,with this "natural progression " the SEVEN years gap between Dempsey's and Carneras reign would really make a difference! .And think of the SIXTY years between Ray Robinson being Champ at 147 and Antonio Esparagozza today .Robinson would get murdered wouldn't he? :lol: :lol: :lol:

mr. magoo

11-24-2008, 10:53 AM

pugilist_boyd

11-24-2008, 10:53 AM

my ribs r hurting ,laughing at the thought of carnera outboxinx dempsey to a comfortable dec. carnera is just the type of opp. dempsey craved to fight huge,powerfull,slow, dempsey ko no later then 10 and that is doubtfull prob more like 4-6

Quick Cash

11-24-2008, 11:15 AM

[quote=mcvey]

Wives are like that!

Carnera to outbox Jack and pick-up an easy decision as boxing standards allways improve, year-on-year, just like Olympic running, lifting, swimming records etc.It's called natural progression.
Ps things a bit quite here at work.

Didn't you pick Tunney to beat Floyd Patterson just now?

mattdonnellon

11-24-2008, 11:47 AM

[quote=mattdonnellon]

Didn't you pick Tunney to beat Floyd Patterson just now?

Damn, I've been rumbled?

mattdonnellon

11-24-2008, 11:49 AM

:vonnecunt :blackeye [quote=mattdonnellon]

Didn't you pick Tunney to beat Floyd Patterson just now?
Damn, I've been rumbled?

catasyou

11-24-2008, 01:06 PM

I do not like Carnera's skills on film at all. He was relatively slow, had poor defense, an average jab at best, and limited power for a man his size. A much more active and dynamic Dempsey would have had my vote to finish Carnera before the midway point of the fight. Actually his hand speed and body speed was good,the foot speed was bad.And his jab was good.Low power for such a big man but average power nonetheless