MMA Vs Boxing

[Infern0]

I think the boxer is better cos with a little training he can hold his own in mma but an mma guy would get schooled in a boxing ring

[Beebs]

Fuck off and die.

And no, the boxer wouldn't hold his own with "a little training"

[Infern0]

Vitali would ktfo of brock lesnar

[jimmie]

Fuck off and die.

And no, the boxer wouldn't hold his own with "a little training"

:lol: I know this from personal experience I boxed for nearly 3 years went into MMA for the past 6 months and ive struggled big time even though I train 4-5 days a week. Its not fucking easy I wish people would actually try it out before they make comments like that.

[Infern0]

Brock Lesnar beat your best man on like his fourth fight

[jimmie]

Brock Lesnar beat your best man on like his fourth fight

And he did not become what he is with alittle bit of training. He was a GREAT College Wrestler you have no clue how far Wrestling skills can get you in MMA especially once you begin your training. Boxing not so much almost all of the defense moves in Boxing become worthless in MMA and so does most of the footwork and even the stance. Go train Muay Thai and see what its like although I doubt you have even did boxing training either your just a noboddy a small insecure man whos afraid of MMAs pouplarity which ill never understand there are 2 different sports. Its like comparing the NFL and Arena Football or Nascar and Open Wheel Racing its stupid sure they are both a combat sport but its totally different.

[younghypnotiq]

well to be fiar he does haeva point. its ezier to go from boxing-MMA then MMA-boxing

[jimmie]

Brock Lesnar beat your best man on like his fourth fight

Oh yeah and since when has Randy Couture been our best man ? Hes a great fighter yes but hes far from even the best Heavyweight out there he just happened to be the UFC Champion on short of a right place right time thing Tim Sylvia and Gab Gonzaga where very good but not elite like Barnett,Nog and especialy Fedor.

[younghypnotiq]

Brock Lesnar beat your best man on like his fourth fight
lesnar is anasty wrestler and in awesome shape wreslting is almsot 2/3rds of MMA. it wud be liek someone coming into boxing HUGE great shape and having one of the best jap, cross, and hook, along witha great defence for all 3 nd great footwork and only lacked uppercuts and uppercut defence. he works a little on that and he wu dbe able to knock ojt who ever the current heavyweight champ is

[cdnboxing]

Different sports. There are some guys at the elite level in MMA that I think can make a successful transition to boxing with enough training. Same with boxers who want to venture into MMA.

Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Jeremy Williams, Alessio Sakara etc as well as many kickboxers have made successful transitions to MMA.

And the guys I mentioned have amassed some very good MMA records. If you're athletic and not washed up, old and punch drunk you can make a successful transition to MMA.

In terms of whats the harder transition to make, I believe they both have their challenges but making the transition from MMA to boxing is the most difficult. I can give an athletic boxer in MMA handpicked opponents willing to trade and the boxer would win everytime but I cant hide an MMA fighters lack of boxing ability in a boxing ring against any decent opponent. There are still a ton of one-dimensional strikers in MMA that are fighting at a relatively high level. In fact there alot of MMA fighters even in the UFC that got sparked by mid-low level competition in boxing. Melvin Guillard and Patrick Cote are prime examples.

[cdnboxing]

And he did not become what he is with alittle bit of training. He was a GREAT College Wrestler you have no clue how far Wrestling skills can get you in MMA especially once you begin your training. Boxing not so much almost all of the defense moves in Boxing become worthless in MMA and so does most of the footwork and even the stance. Go train Muay Thai and see what its like although I doubt you have even did boxing training either your just a noboddy a small insecure man whos afraid of MMAs pouplarity which ill never understand there are 2 different sports. Its like comparing the NFL and Arena Football or Nascar and Open Wheel Racing its stupid sure they are both a combat sport but its totally different.

Ugh god no,

Slipping, parrying, bobbing, weaving, head & body movement has been done by Penn, Couture, Noons, ASilva even WSilva in his sloppy slugfest with Liddell did a fair bit of head movement when he was pressed up against the cage.

Boxing works and if it didnt you wouldnt have Arlovski, Soko, Silva, Penn making trips to the Wild Card Gym in LA with Freddie Roach.

Obviously, there are SOME things you wont do in an MMA fight but the same applies to boxing. You pull off some the stuff MMA fighters do in the ring and your going to get KO'd by a journeyman boxer.

I dont deny that wrestling is the most important skill to have in MMA because it is and ive admitted this numerous times. And saying the stance and footwork dont work is also a huge stretch as well seeing as how many MMA fighters employ something very similar to traditional boxing stances. Just take a look at Penns stance vs. Sherk, Noons vs Diaz, Couture vs Sylvia, Arlovski and even Asilva uses a MT/boxing hybrid stance.

[cdnboxing]

lesnar is anasty wrestler and in awesome shape wreslting is almsot 2/3rds of MMA. it wud be liek someone coming into boxing HUGE great shape and having one of the best jap, cross, and hook, along witha great defence for all 3 nd great footwork and only lacked uppercuts and uppercut defence. he works a little on that and he wu dbe able to knock ojt who ever the current heavyweight champ is

LOL, not really.

[ufoalf]

MMA fighters can box, boxers can't do anything other than box. It will be easier to go from MMA to boxing because you already have some skills in that area. I win. You lose. Case closed.

[196osh]

MMA fighters can box, boxers can't do anything other than box. It will be easier to go from MMA to boxing because you already have some skills in that area. I win. You lose. Case closed.

First of all premise of this thread is idiotic, and only an attempt to wind people up.

However, its clear that fighters who are amonsgt the best strikers in MMA would struggle very very badly to become top boxers where as if a top boxer at a relitvly young age, went into MMA he could have a shot at doing well, with a number of years of training.

The reason is clear and simple; it takes longer to become world class in one set of specific skills, rather than gain competence in a number of skills but not be world class.

But anyway is just to cause argument, I doubt Vitali even a young in shape Vitali with his good kickboxing background could get near Fedor at anypoint regardless of training.

[ufoalf]

First of all premise of this thread is idiotic, and only an attempt to wind people up.


:good

The rest is your personal interpretation.

[elixirvtec]

not another mma vs boxing debate. Just let this shit die you retard

[Cameron]

sorry ima bjj blue belt and i dont care how long hatton trained in mma i would pull guard and sub him in like 38 seconds. i wouldnt stand with him for more than it took for me to pull guard and sub him. boxers dont hold thier own in mma with a little training and mma fighters dont hold thier own in boxing. it just dosnt happen. they are two different sports that had similar aspects.

[196osh]

:good

The rest is your personal interpretation.

:oops:

The rest of the post was a bit pointless really. Well it was early at the time anyways.

[younghypnotiq]

LOL, not really.

yah it is. he came into the sport already rly good on the ground and with takedowns. all he needde to work o was striking. it wud be liek some guhy coming into the sport with very good at almsot every aspect of the spor.

[younghypnotiq]

sorry ima bjj blue belt and i dont care how long hatton trained in mma i would pull guard and sub him in like 38 seconds. i wouldnt stand with him for more than it took for me to pull guard and sub him. boxers dont hold thier own in mma with a little training and mma fighters dont hold thier own in boxing. it just dosnt happen. they are two different sports that had similar aspects.

not to be a dick but i highly doubt a regulat BJJ blue belt wud be able to sub hatton. im a BJJ blue belt with rly good wrestling skills and i outweight him by like 30 pouns nd i doubt i wu be able to beat him. unless ofcourse u also are rly good at boxing or a striking art r u?

[MaliSlamusrex]

this thread is stupid its like saying......
darts vs golf who would win?

[Cameron]

not to be a dick but i highly doubt a regulat BJJ blue belt wud be able to sub hatton. im a BJJ blue belt with rly good wrestling skills and i outweight him by like 30 pouns nd i doubt i wu be able to beat him. unless ofcourse u also are rly good at boxing or a striking art r u?

ok maybe and exageration but i doubt that if a bjj guy pulled guard that boxers would be able to do shit that was more my point. and dude with 30 pounds on hatton and bjj blue belt hes never done bjj in his life i think that as along and he dosnt one punch ko you your getting the sub.

[Cameron]

this thread is stupid its like saying......
darts vs golf who would win?

agreed mma striking is completly different and boxers have no ground game dont know how to check leg kicks or defend takedowns and its just dumb to even entertain the idea that one would beat the other in the others sport.

[jimmie]

not to be a dick but i highly doubt a regulat BJJ blue belt wud be able to sub hatton. im a BJJ blue belt with rly good wrestling skills and i outweight him by like 30 pouns nd i doubt i wu be able to beat him. unless ofcourse u also are rly good at boxing or a striking art r u?

If he gets the fight down why wouldnt he submitt Hatton ? Unless Hatton has been secertly training BJJ for awhile now. You know it is you train theres a big difference between a legit Bluebelt and a fucking Whitebelt just doing it for his first few times.

[Cameron]

^ a good point but if i didnt get it to the ground fast or let him posture in my guard and strike his power would probably nullify my bjj. i would have to get a quick takedown and top position.

also if i can pull this off against blue belts maybe i could against inexperiened guys [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[thebrodstar]

I don't understand the boxing vs MMA threads. I find both spoorts very entertaining. I just watched and amazing RJJ vs calzaghe fight a few weeks ago, and I love every minute of it, that doesn't mean I dislike MMA. I don't see any point in finding out if Floyd mayweather jr can beat anyone in MMA, if he cares so much he will cross over and we will find out foe sure.

I bet any really good boxer could slip over to MMA and vice versa, becausde these guys are gifted athletes.

[SouthpawSlayer]

its threads like this one is the reason i rarely come into the mma forum

[AJAX]

why? they are usually started on the boxing side and then a witch hunt thread starts with all the boxing fans trying to trash MMA.

[sitiyzal]

:lol: I know this from personal experience I boxed for nearly 3 years went into MMA for the past 6 months and ive struggled big time even though I train 4-5 days a week. Its not fucking easy I wish people would actually try it out before they make comments like that.

And he did not become what he is with alittle bit of training. He was a GREAT College Wrestler you have no clue how far Wrestling skills can get you in MMA especially once you begin your training. Boxing not so much almost all of the defense moves in Boxing become worthless in MMA and so does most of the footwork and even the stance. Go train Muay Thai and see what its like although I doubt you have even did boxing training either your just a noboddy a small insecure man whos afraid of MMAs pouplarity which ill never understand there are 2 different sports. Its like comparing the NFL and Arena Football or Nascar and Open Wheel Racing its stupid sure they are both a combat sport but its totally different.

you must've been a helluva crappy boxer.

[sugarngold]

its threads like this one is the reason i rarely come into the mma forum

These topics are transported over from the damn general forum.

[Mob]

Vitali would ktfo of brock lesnar

Maybe........but if Lesnar took him off his feet,..Vitaly would be screwed.

[MMAFIGHTER1]

THIS IS RIDICULOUS THEY R 2 DIFFERENT SPORTS A PURE BOXER IS ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TROUBLE IN MMA CUZ THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERNT WAYS 2 WIN AND WAS 2 LOSE THE SECOND HE GOES 2 DUCK A PUNCH BY BENDING OVER HES EATING KNEES SOMETHING HES NEVER HAD 2 WATCH OUT 4 . AND ON THE OTHER HAND I SAY A PURE MMA GUY WOULD BE LOST IN A JUST BOXING MATCH IT LIMITS HIM SOOOOO MUCH FROM WHAT HE CAN DO. ITS JUST NOT A FAIR COMPARSION. ON 2 WRESTLERS DEF THEY HAVE THE SMOOTHEST TRANSFER 2 MMA CUZ MOST OF THE FIGHTS GO 2 THE GROUND ANYWAYS I HATE WRESTLERS HAHAHA AGAIN JUST MY THOUGHTS:roll:

[ufoalf]

THIS IS RIDICULOUS THEY R 2 DIFFERENT SPORTS A PURE BOXER IS ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TROUBLE IN MMA CUZ THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERNT WAYS 2 WIN AND WAS 2 LOSE THE SECOND HE GOES 2 DUCK A PUNCH BY BENDING OVER HES EATING KNEES SOMETHING HES NEVER HAD 2 WATCH OUT 4 . AND ON THE OTHER HAND I SAY A PURE MMA GUY WOULD BE LOST IN A JUST BOXING MATCH IT LIMITS HIM SOOOOO MUCH FROM WHAT HE CAN DO. ITS JUST NOT A FAIR COMPARSION. ON 2 WRESTLERS DEF THEY HAVE THE SMOOTHEST TRANSFER 2 MMA CUZ MOST OF THE FIGHTS GO 2 THE GROUND ANYWAYS I HATE WRESTLERS HAHAHA AGAIN JUST MY THOUGHTS:roll:

Try typing wihtout capslock on, maybe then someone will read what you say.

[T.C.W]

different sports, the only thing in common is that they are combat sports and one on one, thats it. If the top guys did either sport had a go at other with no training , both would have 0.000001 chance of winning. It is like the top racket ball player playing Nadel in tennis, there both similar sports with hitting a ball but totally different.

[El Puma]

different sports, the only thing in common is that they are combat sports and one on one, thats it. If the top guys did either sport had a go at other with no training , both would have 0.000001 chance of winning. It is like the top racket ball player playing Nadel in tennis, there both similar sports with hitting a ball but totally different.:deal:thumbsup

[podcast]

TBH neither sport is 'real' fighting. Boxing fans in general seem to get this, MMA fans less so.

You'd be silly to do most BJJ moves against Tyson (for example) because his survival instincts would take over and your just so vulnerable. Imagine all the nasty things he could do to you.

[ufoalf]

You'd be silly to do most BJJ moves against Tyson (for example) because his survival instincts would take over and your just so vulnerable. Imagine all the nasty things he could do to you.


:lol:

You've never grappled before.

[podcast]

:lol:

You've never grappled before.

Yes I have, your hands are tied up. Someone could gouge your eyes out, snap your fingers back, bite your nose/ear off or yank your balls off.

It's a skill a great skill but it's not no-hold's bar, much of the stuff would be compromised. Royce Gracie himself has said he's never take a streetfight to the ground.

[ufoalf]

Yes I have, your hands are tied up. Someone could gouge your eyes out, snap your fingers back, bite your nose/ear off or yank your balls off.

It's a skill a great skill but it's not no-hold's bar, much of the stuff would be compromised. Royce Gracie himself has said he's never take a streetfight to the ground.

Ppl gota stfu about that quote. It's taken out of context EVERY single time, 99% of the time by people who've never grappled before.
You could do the same cheap shit to Tyson. Except he wouldn't know how to deal with you once you have him in an armbar. If you know how to handle yourself on the ground, YOU are the one who's gona be doing all of the eye gaugin and limb breaking. You will know how to control your body weight, position, etc.

Tyson vs BJJ's... good purple belt, on the ground, no rules, same weight. BJJ guy wins 10/10. Please untie my hands.

[podcast]

You could do the same cheap shit to Tyson.

Yes you could and that would be a 'real' fight.


Except he wouldn't know how to deal with you once you have him in an armbar. If you know how to handle yourself on the ground, YOU are the one who's gona be doing all of the eye gaugin and limb breaking. You will know how to control your body weight, position, etc.

Tyson vs BJJ's... good purple belt, on the ground, no rules, same weight. BJJ guy wins 10/10. Please untie my hands.

Ooh that stuff is better to know,you can never have too much knowledge. If you get him on the ground your at a massive advantage (assuming your as nasty a mutherfucka of course). Though any sane man would never want to be in that posistion.

But that doesn't mean what goes on in the UFC is real fighting, it's legal fighting theirs a difference. Even if you see what the UFC was like 10 years ago to now you can see a difference.

[SouthpawSlayer]

taken from [Only registered and activated users can see links]

just to sum up some bs i heard about mma surpassing boxing

MMA vs. Boxing: America’s Fastest Growing Sport Goes Head to Head with the “Sweet Science.”




The debate has been ongoing ever since UFC’s pay-per view numbers from 2006 were released. The UFC broke the pay-per-view industry’s all-time records for a single year of business, generating over $222,766,000 in revenue during 2006, surpassing WWE and boxing. Has boxing’s reign as the premiere combat sport come to an end? As quickly as you might answer one way or the other, let’s look at the most important factors in determining the leading sport:



Most Recognizable Fighters:



MMA has spearheaded into popularity, largely due to the commercial success of UFC and The Ultimate Fighter. The Ultimate Fighter has helped create household names such as Forrest Griffin, Diego Sanchez and most recently Nate Diaz. Roger Huerta became the first Mixed Martial Artists to grace the cover of Sports Illustrated, and Chuck Liddell not only graced the cover of ESPN the Magazine, but also starred in an episode of “Entourage.”



Lately, everywhere you turn, an MMA fighter’s face is garnering mainstream attention. However, there is hardly an athlete in any sport that has created a stronger brand or that carries more name recognition than Oscar De La Hoya, who has generated over $500 million in pay-per-view buys over the course of his career. Floyd Mayweather Jr. has become a house hold name since his relatively timid win over De La Hoya this year. Despite a heavyweight division filled with more characters from a “Stallone” movie than actual contenders, names of less relevant aging fighters can still be found on the tips of casual fighting fan’s lips. (e.g., Evander Holyfield, and Roy Jones Jr.)



Advantage: Boxing





Bigger Commercial Success





The UFC’s 2006 pay-per-view sales have led many people to speculate on the death of boxing. How else could you explain, one promotion outselling an entire sport? The numbers tell the story, and as the saying goes, “Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.” But I think we’re looking at the wrong numbers. Boxing is coming off of the biggest boxing pay-per-view ever with 2.15 million household buys. Not only that, but De La Hoya ended up bringing in close to $45 million for the fight, while Mayweather Jr. earned close to $20 million.



In the biggest UFC fight, UFC 71, complete with ESPN coverage throughout the promotion, Chuck Liddell earned $500,000 and Quinton “Rampage” Jackson earned $225,000. With such a disparity between purses in the two sports, its hard to argue that MMA has surpassed Boxing commercially. The average sports fan actually does not even refer to the sport of Mixed Martial Arts as MMA. It’s commonly referred as “Caged Fighting”, “Ultimate Fighting” or as the ultimate sign of a one promotion monopoly, “UFC.”

MMA is the fastest growing sport in America. However, it’s still has some growing up to do to catch the sport of boxing in commercial success.



Advantage: Boxing

[ufoalf]

Yes you could and that would be a 'real' fight.



If you get him on the ground your at a massive advantage (assuming your as nasty a mutherfucka of course). Though any sane man would never want to be in that posistion.

But that doesn't mean what goes on in the UFC is real fighting, it's legal fighting theirs a difference. Even if you see what the UFC was like 10 years ago to now you can see a difference.

There's Vale Tudo which has been dominated by Vale Tudo based fighters. UFC is not the only sport where grappling is very dominant knowledge.

In a street fight you don't want to end up on the ground because there might be more people that can run up and kick you. THATS what Gracie was talkin about. If it's a 1v1 situation and grappling is your dominant combat area than there isn't a reason why you shouldn't take the person down.

[podcast]

Your not allowed to do Vale Tudo anymore right? MMA is the safer legal alternative which is sorta my point.

[ufoalf]

Your not allowed to do Vale Tudo anymore right?

Not in US.

MMA is the safer legal alternative which is sorta my point.
What is your point?

The argument is that you think using BJJ moves against Tyson is silly. I say its the only way to fight Tyson and easiest way to beat him. You say that he can do nasty stuff like eye gougin, fish hooking etc. I say you can do same shit to him. There isn't a technique for that. I'll take a BJJ guy to choke him out or break his arm and then choke him out while suffering and eye gouge or w/e.

Tyson will be a helpless child on the ground against someone experience in BJJ. Him biting the ears off won't do him much good once he's asleep.

[podcast]

What is your point?

The argument is that you think using BJJ moves against Tyson is silly. I say its the only way to fight Tyson and easiest way to beat him. You say that he can do nasty stuff like eye gougin, fish hooking etc. I say you can do same shit to him. There isn't a technique for that. I'll take a BJJ guy to choke him out or break his arm and then choke him out while suffering and eye gouge or w/e.

Tyson will be a helpless child on the ground against someone experience in BJJ. Him biting the ears off won't do him much good once he's asleep.

No! Using the BJJ moves the same way as you do in MMA is silly 'cos it's got rules you'd fight BJJ a completely different way no hold's bar. I used Tyson as an example not beacause he's boxer but because he's a nasty freak.

[Beebs]

No! Using the BJJ moves the same way as you do in MMA is silly 'cos it's got rules you'd fight BJJ a completely different way no hold's bar. I used Tyson as an example not beacause he's boxer but because he's a nasty freak.

No, you wouldn't. BJJ is based around the concept of a no holds barred fight, thats what it was made for.

It's a useless stategy, I can fight with a broken finger, I can fight with one eye, you can't fight choked to death. Vale Tudo has had more than its fair share of special forces guys, kung fu masters, street fighters, and ever other system too tough for BJJ, and they all lost.

[Polymath]

No! Using the BJJ moves the same way as you do in MMA is silly 'cos it's got rules you'd fight BJJ a completely different way no hold's bar. I used Tyson as an example not beacause he's boxer but because he's a nasty freak.

stfu n00b

[ufoalf]

stfu n00b

Yea, I just snapped out of it when I saw last post realizing the hopelessness of the case.

[podcast]

No, you wouldn't. BJJ is based around the concept of a no holds barred fight, thats what it was made for.

It's a useless stategy, I can fight with a broken finger, I can fight with one eye, you can't fight choked to death. Vale Tudo has had more than its fair share of special forces guys, kung fu masters, street fighters, and ever other system too tough for BJJ, and they all lost.


But MMA isn't.

[ufoalf]

But MMA isn't.


:fuckoff

[podcast]

:fuckoff

Ref, Judges, Rules.

[ufoalf]

You're so lost it's not even funny. You don't even know what's your point anymore.

[Beebs]

But MMA isn't.

Well yes, yes it is, this is why the same people who won vale tudo events won MMA events, why the same teams produce champions, why the same basic style prevails.

All the things you mention are actually favoring the boxer more than the BJJ guy. The more rules you take away, the more imporant positional grappling becomes; in the grand scheme of things somebody raking your eyes while you have them mounted is nothing, you can easily stop it, but when you are underneath the mount of somebody who knows what they are doing and you don't, all the dirty tricks in the world can't stop him, in fact those same dirty tricks are going to be 1000x times usefull for him, he can hold you in position all day long.

You can break every finger and gouge out both eyes, he is still going to choke you out, you don't even need hands to choke somebody out properly, and after you've done that, he will probably hold on until you are dead.

[codeman99998]

I love how people say that MMA isn't the same as a real NHB fight as if that is an adequate reason. IT IS TRUE, a sanctioned MMA fight DOES have rules, but how in God's name does that imply that a boxers skillset is more appropriate for a NHB fight than MMA?

There is a huge gap of logic there.
MMA has rules.
NHB doesnt have rules.
Therefore boxing is better for a NHB fight?

[ufoalf]

There is a huge gap of logic there.
MMA has rules.
NHB doesnt have rules.
Therefore boxing is better for a NHB fight?

:lol:
:good

[AJAX]

I think what podhead is trying to say is that if you take wawy rules MMA guys wouldn't have a clue what to do. Don't bother it's like trying to talk sense into a brick wall.

[podcast]

Did you guys even read what I posted? I never said BJJ or VT was useless, they may be the most wonderful fighting styles ever divised by man for all I care. My one and single point is MMA is not a 'real fight' per se. I don't see how you could argue otherwise; for a start they don't let the BJJ guys work as the fans get bored and start boing.

God you guy's are sensitive.

[ufoalf]

You'd be silly to do most BJJ moves against Tyson (for example) because his survival instincts would take over and your just so vulnerable. Imagine all the nasty things he could do to you.

Using the BJJ moves the same way as you do in MMA is silly 'cos it's got rules you'd fight BJJ a completely different way no hold's bar.

Did you guys even read what I posted? I never said BJJ or VT was useless, they may be the most wonderful fighting styles ever divised by man for all I care. My one and single point is MMA is not a 'real fight' per se. I don't see how you could argue otherwise; for a start they don't let the BJJ guys work as the fans get bored and start boing.


Confused?

Give up. :yep

[nfc90210]

Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Jeremy Williams, Alessio Sakara etc as well as many kickboxers have made successful transitions to MMA.

By the time Lytle made his pro boxing debut he had already had twenty MMA fights and fought in the UFC.