Top 10 British fighters of all time

[ishy]

I don't have a list but I'd like to hear your opinions (and Fitzsimmons is British for the purposes of this thread :D).

[red cobra]

My own pick for #1 is Ken Buchanan.

[McGrain]

1 - Bob Fitszimmons
2 - Jimmy Wilde
3 - Ted Kid Lewis
4 - Lennox Lewis
5 - Randy Turpin
6 - Ken Buchanan
7 - Freddie Welsh
8 - Jim Driscoll
9 - Joe Calzage
10- Benny Lynch


Something like that.

[Robbi]

My own pick for #1 is Ken Buchanan.

Based on what?

[red cobra]

Based on what?"BASED ON WHAT"? What the hell do you think?

[Robbi]

"BASED ON WHAT"? What the hell do you think?

Silky boxing skills at long range and pure boxing, yes. Accomplishments and resume, no.

Whats your criteria for the best British fighters of all-time? Who your favourite is?

[My dinner with Conteh]

1 - Bob Fitszimmons
2 - Jimmy Wilde
3 - Ted Kid Lewis
4 - Lennox Lewis
5 - Randy Turpin
6 - Ken Buchanan
7 - Freddie Welsh
8 - Jim Driscoll
9 - Joe Calzage
10- Benny Lynch


Something like that.


Turpin is too high. I don't really see how you can rank him ahead of Joe Calzaghe, for example, or Conteh for that matter. Best 'performance ever' perhaps.

[My dinner with Conteh]

"resume" :dead

[Robbi]

"resume" :dead

Kevin Sheady?

[My dinner with Conteh]

Kevin Sheady?


Kevin Sheedy indeed. I'll let 'resume' pass because of your knowledge of my all-time favourite footballer. :good

[Robbi]

Kevin Sheedy indeed. I'll let 'resume' pass because of your knowledge of my all-time favourite footballer. :good

Resume regarding Buchanan? He beat a Laguna twice, a well past prime Ortiz. His best wins. Navarro was ok. He beat Jim Watt at British level. And the most important aspect is he lacks longevity at world level. World champion for 1 year and 9 months.

We can argue about his resume all day long. The bottom line is that he's not the best British fighter of all-time.

[Robbi]

And nothing against Buchanan. I met him at a bookshop 8 years ago and gave him a framed, black and white, potrait drawing of Joe Louis. I certainly hope he's not sold it for his beer money, which he done with the Ali-Bonavena poster he nicked off the front of Madison Square Garden. He sold a lot of his boxing items to a guy in my hometown who owned a pub.

[red cobra]

Silky boxing skills at long range and pure boxing, yes. Accomplishments and resume, no.

Whats your criteria for the best British fighters of all-time? Who your favourite is?Well, you have to remember that Charley Burley is rated pretty highly by students of the game, as well as Sam Langford, and neither of them ever won a title. However, if you insist in disqualifying Buchanan, then I have to name Lennox Lewis and Joe Calzaghe at the top of the list, and not necessarily in that order, and I haven't really considered anyone else at this time.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Resume regarding Buchanan? He beat a Laguna twice, a well past prime Ortiz. His best wins. Navarro was ok. He beat Jim Watt at British level. And the most important aspect is he lacks longevity at world level. World champion for 1 year and 9 months.

We can argue about his resume all day long. The bottom line is that he's not the best British fighter of all-time.


No just the use of the term 'resume'.

[Robbi]

No just the use of the term 'resume'.

I can mind watching Everton beat Rapid Vienna, Cup winners cup final. Those are cheats. We beat them fair and square at Parkhead, yet the game got replayed due to an idiot of a fan throwing a bottle at one of there players. The bottle never landed anywhere near him. He even had bandages over his head. Laughable. Earlier in the competition we played them. The game got replayed at Old Trafford and we lost 1-0.

Robbed.

[My dinner with Conteh]

I can mind watching Everton beat Rapid Vienna, Cup winners cup final. Those are cheats. We beat them fair and square at Parkhead, yet the game got replayed due to an idiot of a fan throwing a bottle at one of there players. The bottle never landed anywhere near him. He even had bandages over his head. Laughable. Earlier in the competition we played them. The game got replayed at Old Trafford and we lost 1-0.

Robbed.


I agree it was a bad decision to replay it but they still should have been punished. I remember the game well, the 3-0 one. It was a great pity as it would have been fantastic to thrash Celtic in the final instead.

[Robbi]

I agree it was a bad decision. I remember the game well. It was a great pity as it would have been fantastic to thrash Celtic in the final instead.

Yeah, that Everton team probably would have beat us. But we are are a bigger club, have a fanbase Everton could only dream of, and we have won the European Cup. First British club to do so. We were one of the best teams in Europe over a 5 year period between 67-72.

Everton play in a better league and have more cash. Thats all they have over Celtic.

Jimmy Johnstone. Skillfully up there with Best, Maradonna, etc. Who can forget wee Jinky in the Bernbeau with over 100,000 Spaniards shouting "Ole, ole" everytime he touched the ball. Unplayable winger.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Yeah, that Everton team probably would have beat us. But we are are a bigger club, have a fanbase Everton could only dream of, and we have won the European Cup. First British club to do so. We were one of the best teams in Europe over a 5 year period between 67-72.


Celtic wouldn't have made the final anyway and we'd have demolished them if they did. The only team Celtic had as good as the Everton one of 85 was the 60/early 70s. Johnstone was one of the best British players ever, i agree, still never really produced at international level so he wasn't always 'unplayable'. Oh, and i'm thankful we don't have scores of idiots with no connection to the city supporting us, it's not something I ever 'dream of'. If you read the football threads in the lounge you'd know this.

[Robbi]

Celtic wouldn't have made the final anyway and we'd have demolished them if they did. The only team Celtic had as good as the Everton one of 85 was the 60/early 70s. Johnstone was one of the best British players ever, i agree, still never really produced at international level so he wasn't always 'unplayable'. Oh, and i'm thankful we don't have scores of idiots with no connection to the city supporting us, it's not something I ever 'dream of'. If you read the football threads in the lounge you'd know this.

Yeah, because he got booed by the Rangers contingent within the Scotland crowd. Any he produced at European level anyway. Pure skill level, Johnstone, was among the elite greats I mentioned worldwide.

Anyway, I'll leave this chat for the longue.

[janitor]

Lets look at this from a different angle.

The ten most historicaly important British fighters (not necisarily greatest) of all time in chronological order are:

Jack Broughton

Daniel Mendoza

Tom Cribb

Dutch Sam

Tom Sayers

Jem Mace

Bob Fitzsimmons

Ted Kid Lewis

Lennox Lewis

Joe Calzaghe

Jem Driscoll dosnt make the cut despite being one of the greatest fighters of all time because he did not get the oportunities to make a historical impact. Ricky Hatton and David Haye can potentialy join this list depending on what they do next.

The two living fighters on this list may be justifiably proud tyo be part of such a long historic tradition.

[salsanchezfan]

No just the use of the term 'resume'.


..............That got me too. All we need now is the patented "P4P, IMO" in there and we're all set. :good

[mcvey]

Celtic wouldn't have made the final anyway and we'd have demolished them if they did. The only team Celtic had as good as the Everton one of 85 was the 60/early 70s. Johnstone was one of the best British players ever, i agree, still never really produced at international level so he wasn't always 'unplayable'. Oh, and i'm thankful we don't have scores of idiots with no connection to the city supporting us, it's not something I ever 'dream of'. If you read the football threads in the lounge you'd know this.
BOXING PLEASE! NOT FOOTBALLERS RESUME!:lol:

[mcvey]

I don't have a list but I'd like to hear your opinions (and Fitzsimmons is British for the purposes of this thread :D).
FITZ
WILDE
DRISCOLL
LYNCH
TED LEWIS
LEWIS
BUCHANAN
WELSH
MORAN
CALZAGHE/CONTEH/TURPIN.
SUBS HARVEY ,MACAVOY,CHARNLEY.

[TBooze]

Top 10 Queensberry Rules fighters IMO are:

10 Ken Buchanan
9 Ricky Hatton*
8 Benny Lynch
7 Freddie Welsh
6 Lennox Lewis
5 Ted Lewis
4 Jim Driscoll
3 Joe Calzaghe*
2 Bob Fitzsimmons
1 Jimmy Wilde

*On an assumption that an active fighter has just announced his retirement.

Perhaps Randy Turpin should be there, and also Jack Kid Berg

[TBooze]

Lets look at this from a different angle.

The ten most historicaly important British fighters (not necisarily greatest) of all time in chronological order are:

Jack Broughton

Daniel Mendoza

Tom Cribb

Dutch Sam

Tom Sayers

Jem Mace

Bob Fitzsimmons

Ted Kid Lewis

Lennox Lewis

Joe Calzaghe

Jem Driscoll dosnt make the cut despite being one of the greatest fighters of all time because he did not get the oportunities to make a historical impact. Ricky Hatton and David Haye can potentialy join this list depending on what they do next.

The two living fighters on this list may be justifiably proud tyo be part of such a long historic tradition.

On historical importance Dick Turpin should make the cut IMO, he is a lot more important socially than Ted Kid Lewis and Joe Calzaghe.

[mcvey]

On historical importance Dick Turpin should make the cut IMO, he is a lot importantly socially than Ted Kid Lewis and Joe Calzaghe.
And his horse" Black Bess"

[janitor]

On historical importance Dick Turpin should make the cut IMO, he is a lot importantly socially than Ted Kid Lewis and Joe Calzaghe.

Why?

[TFFP]

I like McGrain's the best, I like all the names just with a few reversed and Calzaghe slightly higher ;)

1. Bob Fitzsimmons - This is absolutely clear.
2. Jimmy Wilde - This is absolutely slightly less clear but clear all the same.
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
5. Ken Buchanan
6. Randy Turpin
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. Jim Driscoll
9. Freddie Welsh
10. Benny Lynch

I have a preference for Driscoll over Welsh since he was largely outboxing Welsh until Welsh went Zivic on his ass and I don't see much difference in their resumes.

[TBooze]

Why?

First Black fighter to win a British Title, a huge significant event for this country.

It is not like America, I would think we are at least a generation away from having a potential black leader, so that is why steps like that are so important in Britain, particularly as the massive post war Caribbean immigration was happening at the time.

[janitor]

First Black fighter to win a British Title, a huge significant event for this country.


Good answer.

I think that in terms of black British boxing history Tom Molineux is the most important character. Whatever predudices he was subject to he got a shot at the title and a rematch when the result wasnt conclusive.


It is not like America, I would think we are at least a generation away from having a potential black leader, so that is why steps like that are so important in Britain, particularly as the massive post war Caribbean immigration was happening at the time.

Sombody asked me after the last American election if it could happen in Brittain today.

I said that it could but only given a candidate as charismatic and media savy as Barack Obama.

[TBooze]

I think that in terms of black British boxing history Tom Molineux is the most important character. Whatever predudices he was subject to he got a shot at the title and a rematch when the result wasnt conclusive.


I think the conclusion from the first fight was Molineux was probably screwed....

But you are right, he was given a shot in the first place, and Cribb did give him a rematch, and neither of them events were at the time likely to happen in the States.

p.s. I would say Bill Richmond was the original black icon of the sport in this country and help out Molineux to get the Cribb fight.

[McGrain]

Turpin is too high. I don't really see how you can rank him ahead of Joe Calzaghe, for example, or Conteh for that matter. Best 'performance ever' perhaps.

I out and out forgot about Conteh.

Turpin beat Sugar Ray Robinson. That's good enough for me chum. Second time out, he drew out maybe Sugar's second best performance at MW. He beat Don Cockell too. I think his placing is ok.

[McGrain]

No just the use of the term 'resume'.

:lol:

You never suggest an alternative, to be fair.

[McGrain]

Lets look at this from a different angle.

The ten most historicaly important British fighters (not necisarily greatest) of all time in chronological order are:

Jack Broughton

Daniel Mendoza

Tom Cribb

Dutch Sam

Tom Sayers

Jem Mace.

These names are made up. You can tell by "Jem Mace".

[McGrain]

10 Ken Buchanan
9 Ricky Hatton


:verysad

Nice list otherwise, though.

[TBooze]

:verysad

Nice list otherwise, though.

Hatton on the evidence of Sunday seems like he may comeback from his Duran (Mayweather), Buchanan never quite did.

Obviously only time will tell and if Hatton does not rebound well, then yes Ken would have to go down as the better fighter.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Hatton on the evidence of Sunday seems like he may comeback from his Duran (Mayweather), Buchanan never quite did.

Obviously only time will tell and if Hatton does not rebound well, then yes Ken would have to go down as the better fighter.



Didn't bounce back? He won about 12 fights in a row. In this day and age the Ortiz contest would have been for a vacant 'world' title no doubt.

[My dinner with Conteh]

:lol:

You never suggest an alternative, to be fair.


Record, obviously. I wonder how many of you actually ever 'say' resume in reality?

[My dinner with Conteh]

..............That got me too. All we need now is the patented "P4P, IMO" in there and we're all set. :good


Yes, IMO that's even worse. :-)

[Minotauro]

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Ted Kid Lewis
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Ken Buchanan
6. Freddie Welsh
7. Jim Driscoll
8. Owen Moran
9. Joe Calzaghe
10. Randy Turpin

[sweet_scientist]

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Jim Driscoll
4. Ted Kid Lewis
5. Owen Moran
6. Jackie Kid Berg
7. Freddie Welsh
8. Ken Buchanan
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Benny Lynch

My rating of Driscoll is pretty high I realise, and it's probably based more on potential than accomplishments. He was likely the best fighter ability-wise out of this whole lot.

Joe Calzaghe and Howard Winstone would probably be the next names on the list. Guys like Randy Turpin, Lloyd Honeyghan, Naseem Hamed, Jim Watt and Ricky Hatton are in line as well.

[My dinner with Conteh]

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Jim Driscoll
4. Ted Kid Lewis
5. Owen Moran
6. Jackie Kid Berg
7. Freddie Welsh
8. Ken Buchanan
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Benny Lynch

My rating of Driscoll is pretty high I realise, and it's probably based more on potential than accomplishments. He was likely the best fighter ability-wise out of this whole lot.

Joe Calzaghe and Howard Winstone would probably be the next names on the list. Guys like Randy Turpin, Lloyd Honeyghan, Naseem Hamed, Jim Watt and Ricky Hatton are in line as well.


Watt? Honeyghan? Ahead of Conteh. Crazy. If there's a British poster here (who knows his boxing) that agrees with you i'll take it back. But it won't happen. The Top 10 is very good nonetheless.

[stonerose]

Record, obviously. I wonder how many of you actually ever 'say' resume in reality?


i like this guy more and more. " resume " is the most grating word i've ever come across, and its used so much on here. record is just fine.

[stonerose]

how many boxers use the word resume ? its the most weedy ,patheitc word since " indie " .

[My dinner with Conteh]

i like this guy more and more. " resume " is the most grating word i've ever come across, and its used so much on here. record is just fine.


Thanks mate. I think it's just that we're both proper 'Northeners'. :lol: ;)


It's so fucking annoying how many British posters are using it on here. I sometimes have to get out of a thread when I see it.*


I mean, if someone's used it for years then fine. I just don't get a bloke of, say, 28 years old, one day deciding that resume is what he calls someone's boxing record. :huh



* I think that must be their plan actually. :yep

[stonerose]

it doesnt belong in boxing at all. its annoying me now just thinking about it. " resume ", jesus christ .

[My dinner with Conteh]

it doesnt belong in boxing at all. its annoying me now just thinking about it. " resume ", jesus christ .


:D

[PaddyD1983]

Kevin Sheedy indeed. I'll let 'resume' pass because of your knowledge of my all-time favourite footballer. :good

Poor man's Stevie Highway :hey

[My dinner with Conteh]

Poor man's Stevie Highway :hey

:yep


Not when it came to goalscoring mate. An average of a goal every 3.5 games. Or passing for that matter. :good

[PaddyD1983]

But, in my opinion

1. Fitzsimmons (cheeky one I feel, but if he's British for this then he's a shoe in)
2. Ted Lewis
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Calzaghe
6. Driscoll
7. Welsh
8. Turpin
9. Buchanan
10. Lynch

Berg and Hatton just missing the cut for me. Dont know enough about Moran to rate him properly

[Holmes' Jab]

Conteh: Very dissapointing result for Everton last night, were Wigan that good for a change or your boys not turn up? Still can't believe how we only drew with them at St James' the other week, they weren't anything special by any stretch. We were just that bad.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Conteh: Very dissapointing result for Everton last night, were Wigan that good for a change or your boys not turn up? Still can't believe how we only drew with them at St James' the other week, they weren't anything special by and stretch. We were just that bad.


We were terrible, they well deserved the points. Howard kept us in it. We've been below average all season to be honest but have gotten away with it. Need to improve vastly. None more so than Arteta, Yakubu and (the currently woeful) Lescott.

[Holmes' Jab]

Yeah, much of the league very, very tight this year- a team has a good run and they're right up there, a bad run and it's towards the bottom. Playing badly and getting points is alright in the short-term but obviously it papers over the cracks and when your team comes unstuck, then it's of a concern. You're still in and around the final european places, though so no reason to panick just yet. Newcastle away to Boro and home to Stoke in next few matches, vital we get at least four points I think. Obviously on the back foot for the most part against Chelsea, but great point and results at this very moment are the immediate priority, hopefully positive performances and play will come.

[sweet_scientist]

Watt? Honeyghan? Ahead of Conteh. Crazy. If there's a British poster here (who knows his boxing) that agrees with you i'll take it back. But it won't happen. The Top 10 is very good nonetheless.

I have to admit my ignorance when it comes to Conteh. Have only seen his fights with Saad when I presume he was quite past it. Didn't leave much of an impression on me there.

[JohnThomas1]

:D

Jeez, i think i better wipe resume from my vocab too :lol:

Didn't know it was quite that bad, but i sure do now :scaredas:

I've already got a much better replacement tho that appears from time to time. Three words instead of one, but well worth the extra typing time by the looks of things :lol:

[Mantequilla]

I have to admit my ignorance when it comes to Conteh. Have only seen his fights with Saad when I presume he was quite past it. Didn't leave much of an impression on me there.
he was finished for the rematch, but in the first did almost beat Saad despite being past it, fighting one-handed, with no punch resistance left.The only Saad title defence to go the distance.That was a helluva performance given Saad's own highly underrated technical skills and jab, coupled with the fact Saad was throwing bombs all fight.

Mind you, i'm not sure i'd put him in the top ten due to his brief prime and wasting his talent.

[AlFrancis]

he was finished for the rematch, but in the first did almost beat Saad despite being past it, fighting one-handed, with no punch resistance left.The only Saad title defence to go the distance.That was a helluva performance given Saad's own highly underrated technical skills and jab, coupled with the fact Saad was throwing bombs all fight.

Mind you, i'm not sure i'd put him in the top ten due to his brief prime and wasting his talent.
He actually looked shot before the first Saad fight. He had a terrible time against Jesse Burnett and I don't think he looked too good in the Ivy Brown fight either. It was a testament to his champions sheer guts and bottle that he survived that first fight. I remember when he came back home after the second Saad fight. He was on local tele, Granada Reports or Look North and he had like a breakdown. It was terrible to see.
I agree with you though that he never really made the most of his potential, he could of been the best, he had it all.

[Robbi]

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Jim Driscoll
4. Ted Kid Lewis
5. Owen Moran
6. Jackie Kid Berg
7. Freddie Welsh
8. Ken Buchanan
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Benny Lynch


Buchanan over Lewis, deary me. You had a cheek asking me why I had Norris over Wright at jr middleweight. :patsch

[mcvey]

Buchanan over Lewis, deary me. You had a cheek asking me why I had Norris over Wright at jr middleweight. :patsch
That pick coincides with another Scots ,Hugh Macillvanney,in last weeks Sunday Times ,naming Buchanan as the best British Boxer of the last 50 years.So maybe Ken over Lennox isn't so bad?

[mcvey]

FITZ
WILDE
DRISCOLL
LYNCH
TED LEWIS
LEWIS
BUCHANAN
WELSH
MORAN
CALZAGHE/CONTEH/TURPIN.
SUBS HARVEY ,MACAVOY,CHARNLEY.
I clearly forgot Howard Winstone.

[AlFrancis]

I clearly forgot Howard Winstone.


You don't see much about Dave Charnley on this forum, not even the British forum. Definitely one of our best to not win a world title.

[TBooze]

Didn't bounce back? He won about 12 fights in a row. In this day and age the Ortiz contest would have been for a vacant 'world' title no doubt.

Hatton has defended the World Championship against the probable #1 contender last Sunday.

Buchanan did fight well in parts and like you suggest held solid wins over Ortiz (as well as Watts and the Italian bloke) but Suzuki (Ishimatsu) beat him fairly convincingly when he did get an opportunity to shine near the very top once more.

If Hatton does in the end fail to hit Tszyu type form in this part of his career, then I will concede Ken tops him.

[mcvey]

You don't see much about Dave Charnley on this forum, not even the British forum. Definitely one of our best to not win a world title.
I think he would have given Buchanan a terrific fight .

[sweet_scientist]

Hatton has defended the World Championship against the probable #1 contender last Sunday.

Buchanan did fight well in parts and like you suggest held solid wins over Ortiz (as well as Watts and the Italian bloke) but Suzuki (Ishimatsu) beat him fairly convincingly when he did get an opportunity to shine near the very top once more.

If Hatton does in the end fail to hit Tszyu type form in this part of his career, then I will concede Ken tops him.

The Buchanan that lost to Suzuki would still have beat the shit out of Malignaggi.

[sweet_scientist]

Buchanan over Lewis, deary me. You had a cheek asking me why I had Norris over Wright at jr middleweight. :patsch
Notice a trend?

I tend to pick the solid guy over the one that gets their jaw unhinged by past it/mediocre fighters in their prime. :good

Really, given the fact that Lewis was poleaxed twice by average fighters whilst in his prime, and that he usually had a massive height, reach and weight advantage over his foes, what is so surprising in having Buchanan ranked above him?

[Mantequilla]

Buchanan was hampered by a bad eye injury picked up in sparring against Suzuki.

he marked up badly very early on and his timing was all over the place because of it.I think he was slightly past his best anyway, but would have still expected him to beat Suzuki had he got a rematch sans injury.The fight was close imo, with suzuki only pulling it out late when Buchanan couldn't see any of the punches coming.

[CarlesX7]

" resume " is the most grating word i've ever come across, and its used so much on here. record is just fine.
I thought record and resume had slightly different meanings, at least the way people use them around here.

From what I understand, record means just wins and losses. When talking resume, things like quality of opposition, titles and possible multi-weight success come into play...

Isn't that so?

[Robbi]

Notice a trend?

I tend to pick the solid guy over the one that gets their jaw unhinged by past it/mediocre fighters in their prime. :good

Really, given the fact that Lewis was poleaxed twice by average fighters whilst in his prime, and that he usually had a massive height, reach and weight advantage over his foes, what is so surprising in having Buchanan ranked above him?

I tend to favor fighters who comeback and gain revenge combined with longevity. What did Buchanan do of any signifcance at world level beyond the Duran whopping he took over 13 rounds? Buchanan was world lightweight champion for under 2 years. His dominance was good, but very brief. To have him over Lewis is a scandal.

[sweet_scientist]

I tend to favor fighters who comeback and gain revenge combined with longevity. What did Buchanan do of any signifcance at world level beyond the Duran whopping he took over 13 rounds? Buchanan was world lightweight champion for under 2 years. His dominance was good, but very brief. To have him over Lewis is a scandal.
Robbi, what would Lennox do if there was a Duran level fighter at heavyweight and there was only one belt there? Other than take a whooping over 6 or 7 rounds I mean?

The fact that Buchanan didn't hold the title for long means nothing in their comparison. You think Lewis would revenge a KO defeat (you know it would be by KO) to Duran in a rematch? Perhaps an old shot Duran. A prime Duran level fighter would mash Lewis. Plain and simple.

Buchanan faced and beat a good field of fighters and didn't suffer any humiliating setbacks like Lewis did in his prime.

Lewis has longevity on him, but still, Buchanan was world class for a full 9 years and in that time he legitimately lost one fight to the greatest fighter in the last 50 years.

Lewis was world class for about 11 years and in that time lost to two journeymen.

Do you want to tell me that the quality of the fighters Lewis beat is better than the quality of the fighters that Buchanan beat? I don't see it myself. Lewis did clear the decks in the heavyweight division, and Buchanan didn't face the likes of DeJesus and Viruet which he perhaps should have, but even still, I don't see his resume being inferior to Lewis'.

[stonerose]

i'll just do top 10 in my lifetime cos unlike some i'm honest enough not to put in fighters i know nothing about, have never seen, and have just lifted the knowledge from other people on here.............


1. Lennox Lewis
2. Ken Buchanan ( been doing a bit of studying on this guy, impressive)
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. John Conteh
5. Nigel Benn
6. Ricky Hatton
7. Chris Eubank
8. Naseem Hamed
9. Michael Watson
10. LLoyd Honeyghan

I've considered Barry McGuigan Irish for this, otherwise he'd probably be between conteh and benn.
apologies for any i've missed, i make no pretence that i'm an expert .


edited-forgot lloyd honeyghan . told you i wasnt an expert.

[jc]

i'll just do top 10 in my lifetime cos unlike some i'm honest enough not to put in fighters i know nothing about, have never seen, and have just lifted the knowledge from other people on here.............


1. Lennox Lewis
2. Ken Buchanan ( been doing a bit of studying on this guy, impressive)
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. John Conteh
5. Nigel Benn
6. Ricky Hatton
7. Chris Eubank
8. Naseem Hamed
9. Michael Watson
10. Frank Bruno

I've considered Barry McGuigan Irish for this, otherwise he'd probably be between conteh and benn.
apologies for any i've missed, i make no pretence that i'm an expert .

i think 'top 10 british fighters in your lifetime'' is a good idea for a thread...But surely hayes linear title at cruiser is better than Brunos alphabet title at heavy...?

10 in my lifetime would be;

Joe Calzaghe
Lennox Lewis
Ricky Hatton
Lloyd Honeyghan
Nassem Hamed
David Haye
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Johnny Nelson
Michael Watson

haye is high, because he was an linear champion, Britian has had few of them in recent years .

[stonerose]

i think 'top 10 british fighters in your lifetime'' is a good idea for a thread...But surely hayes linear title at cruiser is better than Brunos alphabet title at heavy...?

10 in my lifetime would be;

Joe Calzaghe
Lennox Lewis
Ricky Hatton
Lloyd Honeyghan
Nassem Hamed
David Haye
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Johnny Nelson
Michael Watson

haye is high, because he was an linear champion, Britian has had few of them in recent years .


forgot honeyghan.
as far as haye goes, i see your point but i'm still not sold on him yet, id still have bruno above him at this stage cos i'm not convinced that haye isnt gonna crumble under a heavy punch to the chin. the jury is still out for me .

[My dinner with Conteh]

I thought record and resume had slightly different meanings, at least the way people use them around here.

From what I understand, record means just wins and losses. When talking resume, things like quality of opposition, titles and possible multi-weight success come into play...

Isn't that so?


I suppose. It's called a CV then (in the UK).

[TBooze]

i'll just do top 10 in my lifetime cos unlike some i'm honest enough not to put in fighters i know nothing about, have never seen, and have just lifted the knowledge from other people on here.............




I am not pretending to be 120 thus I never saw Wilde, but nearly everything I have read about him, suggests he is the Greatest British fighter ever. To ignore fighters you have not seen and not to rely on the opinions of others to judge, is to put a big flaw in your top 10 IMO.

[stevebhoy87]

Bob Fitzsimmons
Jimmy Wilde
Ted Kid lewis
Lennox Lewis
Benny lynch
Joe Calzaghe
Ken Buchanan
John Conteh
Randy Turpin
Ricky Hatton

[Bill Butcher]

Robbi, what would Lennox do if there was a Duran level fighter at heavyweight and there was only one belt there? Other than take a whooping over 6 or 7 rounds I mean?

The fact that Buchanan didn't hold the title for long means nothing in their comparison. You think Lewis would revenge a KO defeat (you know it would be by KO) to Duran in a rematch? Perhaps an old shot Duran. A prime Duran level fighter would mash Lewis. Plain and simple.

Buchanan faced and beat a good field of fighters and didn't suffer any humiliating setbacks like Lewis did in his prime.

Lewis has longevity on him, but still, Buchanan was world class for a full 9 years and in that time he legitimately lost one fight to the greatest fighter in the last 50 years.

Lewis was world class for about 11 years and in that time lost to two journeymen.

Do you want to tell me that the quality of the fighters Lewis beat is better than the quality of the fighters that Buchanan beat? I don't see it myself. Lewis did clear the decks in the heavyweight division, and Buchanan didn't face the likes of DeJesus and Viruet which he perhaps should have, but even still, I don't see his resume being inferior to Lewis'.

Good post, very true. :good

[Bill Butcher]

Here is my list of guys that had their prime in my time & Ive seen enough of.....

1. Calzaghe

Hamed
Lewis
Hatton
Eubank
Watson
Collins
Benn
Graham
Haye