Chavez-Taylor Documentary (awesome Duva lie)

[Stone_Roberto]

It's about 30 minutes total. Well worth watching though:

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Wait till you get to Part 2. Great journalism right there. Lou Duva is a lying sack of shit.

[Stone_Roberto]

I've never seen it before and I think I almost cried during the last third.

[PJ]

Taylor was almost killed in that fight. I dont see how some people say Taylor he would of won if (fill in the blank).


This how one fighter truly ruins another.

[GazOC]

Cheers for the link.

[Ramshall1]

Duva should man up and take responsibility for his part.
Look, theres no shame in losing to Chavez, but dont lie about it.

[Rock0052]

Duva should man up and take responsibility for his part.
Look, theres no shame in losing to Chavez, but dont lie about it.

That's exactly why I don't like that fat fuck.

[Shake]

I believe Steele had pure intentions, and if anything, I bet he wishes he would have stopped the fight sooner. The time he did it was the worst possible time, denying the glory and retaining the injuies, but if you really look at what's become of Taylor now, I can't care much for who won the fight. It's a tragedy in every possible way on par with McLellan.

[jackiebrown]

who are all the prospects duva has had? .

[digiram]

I've never seen it before and I think I almost cried during the last third.

Def. sad what happened to Meldrick since that fight.

[PJ]

Chavez was unscathed while Taylor looked like a bulldozer ran him over...

[Rock0052]

Chavez was unscathed while Taylor looked like a bulldozer ran him over...

I can't believe Julio's face wasn't even cut. I feel horrible every time I watch that documentary.

[Ramshall1]

I forgot who it was but on the docu. someone sais it best . .

"It was as beautiful as it was brutal."

[stillafan]

I would imagine Julio would have had some swelling or something, he didnt even look like he was in a fight...and he got tagged a lot!

[divac]

I would imagine Julio would have had some swelling or something, he didnt even look like he was in a fight...and he got tagged a lot!

It was as good a brainwashing commentary thats ever been done by a broadcast team, and HBO has done a few in their existence.

If you go by the HBO commentary, they'd have you believe Chavez was barely in the fight......Sugar Ray Leonard who was part of the broadcast team back then went as far as to give every round to Taylor!:lol: :lol: :lol: :patsch :-(


Dont get me wrong, the fight was physically taxing on both fighters, but Chavez' punches carried so much more weight behind them, yet HBO turned a blind eye to them.
For a fight that was that taxing on both fighters, Chavez in comparison to Taylor pretty much came out unscathed, while Taylor had facial fractures and internal organ trauma.

A huge statement that sticks out to me was Richard Steele's statement that Chavez was hitting Taylor with shots to break bones.
Thats a telling statement from the man that alot of people criticise for stopping the fight.

The quality shots were landed by Julio Cesar Chavez, its a pity that broadcast teams play such a huge role into brainwashing the uneducated.

As for Lou Duva, I thought he did a great job of surveying the going ons during the fight, but he got criticised tremendously by the US media for telling Taylor that the fight rested in the balance during the championship rounds.
Duva got criticised for basically telling Meldrick Taylor the obvious truth that he was witnessing.

It is a pity that Lou Duva has felt the need to change his story of what he was actually advising Meldrick Taylor, and it comes from the scrutiny he recieved for not telling Taylor to coast.
Duva has felt that scrutiny over the years.

.....and somebody already has said it, Lou Duva has been known to retell the tale differently on different occasions.
He's certainly not consistent with his storytelling, so I would'nt be to harsh on him for this one!:lol:

Lou Duva was a trainer that tooth and nail fought and vouched for his fighters, so I do respect that about Lou!
If you want a trainer or cornerman to work your corner that will make sure you're treated right by the ref, judges, etc.....whether Lou Duva is right or wrong in his arguments, they come no better than Lou Duva to fight and argue on your behalf!

[sues2nd]

I believe Steele had pure intentions, and if anything, I bet he wishes he would have stopped the fight sooner. The time he did it was the worst possible time, denying the glory and retaining the injuies, but if you really look at what's become of Taylor now, I can't care much for who won the fight. It's a tragedy in every possible way on par with McLellan.

Sad....but true.

[Rock0052]

It was as good a brainwashing commentary thats ever been done by a broadcast team, and HBO has done a few in their existence.

If you go by the HBO commentary, they'd have you believe Chavez was barely in the fight......Sugar Ray Leonard who was part of the broadcast team back then went as far as to give every round to Taylor!:lol: :lol: :lol: :patsch :-(


Dont get me wrong, the fight was physically taxing on both fighters, but Chavez' punches carried so much more weight behind them, yet HBO turned a blind eye to them.
For a fight that was that taxing on both fighters, Chavez in comparison to Taylor pretty much came out unscathed, while Taylor had facial fractures and internal organ trauma.


Looking at both of their faces after the fact reminded me of Cotto-Malignaggi. Paul won some rounds, but looked terrible by the end of it. Taylor won more rounds, but suffered the same fate. Cotto and Chavez looked like they could've gone out to eat afterwards and nobody would've known they'd been in a fight.

By the way, how is Meldrick doing these days? It seems like any news on him is at least a few years old.

[divac]

Looking at both of their faces after the fact reminded me of Cotto-Malignaggi. Paul won some rounds, but looked terrible by the end of it. Taylor won more rounds, but suffered the same fate. Cotto and Chavez looked like they could've gone out to eat afterwards and nobody would've known they'd been in a fight.

By the way, how is Meldrick doing these days? It seems like any news on him is at least a few years old.

I dont know that I really want to know how Meldrick is doing, hopefully physically he's healthy, because I doubt his speech will ever be understood.

To be honest I was sick to my stomach seeing Meldrick Taylor try to put a sentence together in which I did'nt make out a single word.:cry:

[Lampley]

It's very difficult to listen to Meldrick try to talk and feel really good about boxing. Everyone makes choices and lives with it, but damn. It was an even worse beating than Lacy took at the hands of Calzaghe, and oddly enough he actually was winning the fight.

In fairness to HBO, Chavez hit Taylor with numerous short, compact shots, while Taylor had the dazzling speed and combos. They're sitting close, but I think only the fighters and Steele knew what was really happening.

I'll always defend Steele for that stoppage. One more punch and Taylor might have perished.

[Rock0052]

I dont know that I really want to know how Meldrick is doing, hopefully physically he's healthy, because I doubt his speech will ever be understood.

To be honest I was sick to my stomach seeing Meldrick Taylor try to put a sentence together in which I did'nt make out a single word.:cry:

I checked on Wikipedia and it says he's working as a personal trainer at a gym in Philly and taking care of himself, but who knows how accurate that actually is? I at least hope the guy's happy so that way I don't feel quite as bad about the whole thing. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing, but at least at 40, he's already outlived alot of ex-fighters.

[Nigel_Benn]

When i first saw it i thought steele was wrong to stop it but now looking back he had no choice he followed procedure he looked in to his eyes and asked "ARE YOU OK" "ARE YOU OK" and if the fighter doesnt respond he is obviously not fit to continue, Now if you wanna talk BS stoppages with Steele involved Tyson-Ruddock 1 is much worse.

[Jason997]

After seeing how Taylor (and many other boxers) ended up it is hard to criticize a quick stoppage even if at the time we don't think they are warranted. These days there are a lot of good trainers (like McGirt) who see the writing on the wall early and step in well before serious damage can be done to their fighters.

- Jason

[SchweitzerMan]

Out of all the Legendary Nights series, that's probably the hardest one to watch, for me. I'd never heard of this fight before and when I caught it, I was so hooked on Taylor's ability.
Steele's decision blew me away and I'm still a bit mixed on it. But when they showed Meldrick today, my jaw dropped. Truly a tragic figure in boxing

[DoumB]

Out of all the Legendary Nights series, that's probably the hardest one to watch, for me. I'd never heard of this fight before and when I caught it, I was so hooked on Taylor's ability.
Steele's decision blew me away and I'm still a bit mixed on it. But when they showed Meldrick today, my jaw dropped. Truly a tragic figure in boxing

Thats esxacly how I felt. but looking at it 2d, u can clearly see that it was the good decision, and if he had continu and taken another right hand like that, who know what would had happened?

[Pimp C]

Thats esxacly how I felt. but looking at it 2d, u can clearly see that it was the good decision, and if he had continu and taken another right hand like that, who know what would had happened?
Come on man there was 2 seconds left in the round and Chavez wouldn't have landed another punch. Steele robbed Taylor that night. The judges had it a SD win for Taylor.

[jazzboy]

Come on man there was 2 seconds left in the round and Chavez wouldn't have landed another punch. Steele robbed Taylor that night. The judges had it a SD win for Taylor.

i was thinking the same thing. he deserved the chance to finish the fight.

[Pimp C]

i was thinking the same thing. he deserved the chance to finish the fight.
Yep. Taylor was in the last round of a fight he was winning, he beat the count and should have been allowed to continue. Horrible stoppage by Steele any way you slice it.

[Hitman]

That fight also took the prime of Chavez that nite even tho he didn't take a beating like Taylor. Chavez reminded me of Ali after the Foreman ...still tough as nails but no longer an athlete who liked to train. Chavez hit superstardom after the Taylor fight and started partying like a rock star and drinking Mucho Cerveza(beer) . He fought on but never with that same vigor and athleticism as he did prior to the Taylor fight.

[paulfv]

I just watched the documentary. Amazing stuff. If anybody wants to see the textbook definition of one fight which ruined a guy, this is the fight to watch.

[divac]

Come on man there was 2 seconds left in the round and Chavez wouldn't have landed another punch. Steele robbed Taylor that night. The judges had it a SD win for Taylor.

You can try to convince yourself that there was 2 seconds, but there was actually about 6 seconds left when Steele waived the fight off....
......plenty of time for Chavez to land a huge bomb on a fighter who seconds earlier did not respond one iota to referee Richard Steele, and possibly put Taylor in a morgue!

[He Hate Me]

I've never seen it before and I think I almost cried during the last third.

IT was a sad look into the downfall of taylor.

[Marnoff]

Nice.

[Pimp C]

You can try to convince yourself that there was 2 seconds, but there was actually about 6 seconds left when Steele waived the fight off....
......plenty of time for Chavez to land a huge bomb on a fighter who seconds earlier did not respond one iota to referee Richard Steele, and possibly put Taylor in a morgue!
2 seconds or 6 seconds it doesn't matter Chavez wouldn't have done anything with that little ammount of time left. It still doesn't change the fact that Taylor was robbed by Steele that night and he was going to win if it had gone to the cards period.:deal

[divac]

2 seconds or 6 seconds it doesn't matter Chavez wouldn't have done anything with that little ammount of time left. It still doesn't change the fact that Taylor was robbed by Steele that night and he was going to win if it had gone to the cards period.:deal

Count off 6 seconds and tell me thats not enough to at the very least land another shot if not more.

6 seconds is an enormous amount of time for a fighter who does'nt know where the hell he's at!

Pimp C's argument is the most biased and unreasonable position that I've read on the Chavez-Taylor stoppage.
In essence, without knowing it, his position is that Steele should have just waited for whatever seconds there were left in the fight and then signaled the fight over to go to the scorecards!
:lol: :lol: :lol: You cant get more biased and unreasonable than that.:lol: :lol: :lol:


Disregard the last few seconds folks, Meldrick Taylor has put on a performance! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Pimp C]

Count off 6 seconds and tell me thats not enough to at the very least land another shot if not more.

6 seconds is an enormous amount of time for a fighter who does'nt know where the hell he's at!

Pimp C's argument is the most biased and unreasonable position that I've read on the Chavez-Taylor stoppage.
In essence, without knowing it, his position is that Steele should have just waited for whatever seconds there were left in the fight and then signaled the fight over to go to the scorecards!
:lol: :lol: :lol: You cant get more biased and unreasonable than that.:lol: :lol: :lol:


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
And yours is even worse. Saying Chavez would have done enough in 6 seconds to stop or hit Taylor is stupid at best, Chavez didn't have the fastest handspeed nor did he have the fastest footspeed either. Taylor could have put his guard up or tied Chavez up you don't know anymore than I do, so get off your high horse. All of this coming from a guy who thought Chavez beat Sweet Pea.:lol: :rofl :-( Taylor knew where he was he beat the count and should have been allowed to continue in a fight he had won period. Steele did a horrible job that night knowing it was the last round and knowing Talyor was winning the fight he didn't notice or ignored the red light to signal 10 seconds left in the round. Taylor should have been allowed to continue, he beat the count.:deal

[Ramshall1]

according to the ref Taylor was unable to continue - doesnt matter how many seconds are left - unable to continue means unable to continue. Chavez won within the time alotted, fair and square.

[BigEars]

Out of all the Legendary Nights series, that's probably the hardest one to watch

I have to agree , it's like watching a man be physically ruined in front of your eyes . Very sad .

Contrast that with the Foreman v Moorer one , who unless you're Michael Moorer you'll go away from with a fufilling feeling .

[Haggis McJackass]

Come on man there was 2 seconds left in the round and Chavez wouldn't have landed another punch. Steele robbed Taylor that night. The judges had it a SD win for Taylor.

If Steele hadn't stopped it, Chavez would have been robbed.

Say there was in fact 2 seconds left in the fight when Steele waved it off. It doesn't change anything.

Chavez caught Taylor and dropped him in regulation time.

Taylor got up, received a fair count, and beat it, though he was obviously hurt.

Steele asked him if he was okay twice. Taylor didn't clearly respond in the affirmative. He looked towards his cornerman and then looked back at Steele in kind of a dazed way. Not enough. You need to clearly communicate that you are focused and aware. He didn't do that. Lennox did in the McCall fight, and can therefore justly complain about the stoppage, but that's another argument.

You are not required to be able to defend yourself for 11 rounds, 2 minutes and 58 seconds. Time doesn't enter into it if you're hurt. To say "Chavez didn't have time to lay another punch on him" is a) wrong, and b) means Chavez would have been robbed. He rendered Taylor unable to continue fair and square, inside the allotted timeframe. Only just, but he stopped him in time.

:hat

[Jason997]

Correct.

[nrgetic]

If Steele hadn't stopped it, Chavez would have been robbed.

Say there was in fact 2 seconds left in the fight when Steele waved it off. It doesn't change anything.

Chavez caught Taylor and dropped him in regulation time.

Taylor got up, received a fair count, and beat it, though he was obviously hurt.

Steele asked him if he was okay twice. Taylor didn't clearly respond in the affirmative. He looked towards his cornerman and then looked back at Steele in kind of a dazed way. Not enough. You need to clearly communicate that you are focused and aware. He didn't do that. Lennox did in the McCall fight, and can therefore justly complain about the stoppage, but that's another argument.

You are not required to be able to defend yourself for 11 rounds, 2 minutes and 58 seconds. Time doesn't enter into it if you're hurt. To say "Chavez didn't have time to lay another punch on him" is a) wrong, and b) means Chavez would have been robbed. He rendered Taylor unable to continue fair and square, inside the allotted timeframe. Only just, but he stopped him in time.

:hat

I agree wholeheatedly but there is no right answer to this question. Meldrick Taylor has only his memories and what could have been, the memory of victory that he feels was denied him. If the choice was his he might be prepared to take the risk of greater harm for the certain victory he would have achieved if he survived the last few seconds available to Chavez to KO Taylor.