If Hatton was to beat Pac...

[margo82]

His resume is better than Calzaghe's currently is, no?

Tszyu is a lot better than Calzaghe's best win.
Beating Pac would also be a lot better than Calzaghe's best win.
Hatton will have beaten the P4P#1 and the number 2 at LWW in his last two fighters, whereas Calzaghe's last two wins were against a shot fight and a middle aged man.

Hatton would have fought P4P#3 Tszyu, P4P#10 Castillo, P4P#1 Pac, P4P#1 Mayweather. Calzaghe's only fought one P4P fighter and went life and death with him.

[Claypole]

Calzaghe's only fought one P4P fighter and went life and death with him.Who was that with????

[margo82]

Bernard Hopkins.

[GazOC]

"Life and death" is an exagertion IMHO. It was a close(ish) but clear decision.

[1stcontact]

Calzaghe's only fought one P4P fighter and went life and death with him.

Life an death???? only if you mean anyone watching almost died of boredom:yep

[brown bomber]

Calzaghes peeps will always argue with the longevity card.

[phonk]

If Hatton were to beat Pac would he then lay claim to the P4P title?

[Diablo]

Hard to say how much Tzsyu had left when he faced Hatton..cuz he never fought again.

Castillo was shot and a natural lightweight.

Pacman is so small it must take some gloss from the win....It would be like Calzaghe beating Margo.

[SOMERSETDURAN]

Calzaghe-Hopkins life and death??

I don't think so. Watch the fight, he won it by three clear rounds, would have won it by more if Hopkins hadn't been spoiling and cheating in the last three rounds. Hopkins was looking to get a win by a DQ, or by getting points taken off Calzaghe. It wasn't even close.

Hatton has the best win with Tzsyu, but overall Calzaghe's record is stronger. Hatton was clearly exposed against PBF, and I can't see any fighter between 160-175 doing that to Calzaghe even at this late stage of his career. In fact, the only fighter I think has a chance of beating Calzaghe at present is Kessler. That's one rematch he'll definitely avoid!

[margo82]

Calzaghes peeps will always argue with the longevity card.

They've had a similar amount of fights though, defending his shitty title for so long is irrelevant.

I think Hatton has 7 away wins now as well, which helps give his resume an edge on Calzaghe's.

Is Calzaghe's best win over Hopkins? Tszyu is a better win. Pac would be a better win. The way Castillo was dispatched of means that is close to being as good of a win.

By the way, I think Calzaghe's a much better fighter than Hatton, but Hatton could easily end up with the better record.

[GazOC]

Mayweather beat Hatton handily, but Calzaghe, for whatever reason(s), didn't fight his "Mayweather" in their primes so I don't think, when you're comparing Hatton and Calzaghe, the Mayweather fight is as big a knock against Hatton it would have been if Calzaghe had of faced RJJ somewhere near his prime.

[El Cepillo]

His resume is better than Calzaghe's currently is, no?

Tszyu is a lot better than Calzaghe's best win.
Beating Pac would also be a lot better than Calzaghe's best win.
Hatton will have beaten the P4P#1 and the number 2 at LWW in his last two fighters, whereas Calzaghe's last two wins were against a shot fight and a middle aged man.

Hatton would have fought P4P#3 Tszyu, P4P#10 Castillo, P4P#1 Pac, P4P#1 Mayweather. Calzaghe's only fought one P4P fighter and went life and death with him.

I would say yes, like you say Hatton has fought a lot of P4P guys and with Pac being the clear, IMO, #1 at the moment, a win over him for Hatton would be absolutely top class. Although I still think Calzaghe fans could make a decent argument that there man is "better". Personally, whatever Hatton has done or goes on to do, it is clear to me that he has more of a fighters heart than stay at home Joe.

[dwilson]

Castillo was shot to shit in the worst possible way and Kostya was fucked too. Wonder what would have happened if Hatton had fought the guys in thier primes? He loss pretty fucking bad to PBF in a total ownage. Hatton should be rated on beating guys like Malinfaggi and Collazo who are decent top level fighters. Hatton is one of our best ever fighters but not quite as special has his fans try and make out.

[GazOC]

Whats the best possible way to be shot to shit?

[El Cepillo]

Castillo was shot to shit in the worst possible way and Kostya was fucked too. Wonder what would have happened if Hatton had fought the guys in thier primes? He loss pretty fucking bad to PBF in a total ownage. Hatton should be rated on beating guys like Malinfaggi and Collazo who are decent top level fighters. Hatton is one of our best ever fighters but not quite as special has his fans try and make out.

Castillo had beaten Corrales not long before the Hatton fight though? I don't think Kostya was fucked, he was still the man at 140, was he not?The only major difference I see between Hatton and Calzaghe's resume is that Hatton WANTS the big, career defining fights against the very best guys, whereas Joe is reluctant to leave his comfort zone, or at least he had been for much of his career. I don't know, I'm not that much of an expert on either mans resume, I just know as much as the next poster.

[El Cepillo]

Whats the best possible way to be shot to shit?

:D

[GazOC]

I love the ESB hyperbole.;)

[dwilson]

Hatton WANTS the big, career defining fights against the very best guys, .


That is why he wants to stay at 140 fighting duds when the real quality and danger men are at welter. If Hatton wanted to prove himself he would have taken one look at the light welter division and thought 'thats shit, I'm gonna fight Marg, Cotto or Williams'.

Hatton is in the best of the rest division being the best of the rest until he can fight a little man in Pac or an old guy in Oscar for the big money.


Castillo had bummed his way though the Afro dude Herman or whatever his name was and Kostya was at the very end of his career and injured.

[El Cepillo]

That is why he wants to stay at 140 fighting duds when the real quality and danger men are at welter. If Hatton wanted to prove himself he would have taken one look at the light welter division and thought 'thats shit, I'm gonna fight Marg, Cotto or Williams'.

Hatton is in the best of the rest division being the best of the rest until he can fight a little man in Pac or an old guy in Oscar for the big money.


Castillo had bummed his way though the Afro dude Herman or whatever his name was and Kostya was at the very end of his career and injured.

Hatton went up to 147 to fight the P4P #1 and said that he is willing to go there again in his next fight. So what exactly are you criticizing him for?

If Tszyu was injured pre-fight, why didn't he postpone?

[JonOli]

That is why he wants to stay at 140 fighting duds when the real quality and danger men are at welter. If Hatton wanted to prove himself he would have taken one look at the light welter division and thought 'thats shit, I'm gonna fight Marg, Cotto or Williams'.

Hatton is in the best of the rest division being the best of the rest until he can fight a little man in Pac or an old guy in Oscar for the big money.


Castillo had bummed his way though the Afro dude Herman or whatever his name was and Kostya was at the very end of his career and injured.

How many top quality prime real LH heavyweights has Calzaghe fought? How many top quality middle weights has Margo fought? Can Cotto fight at 140 or middle? How many top quality middle weights has Paul Williams fought? How many true peak super middle weights, or Light heavyweights has Hopkins beat? Hatton has a strap at 147 which is pretty much as much as any of those guys outside their career weights - with the exception of Cotto who is now too small for 147 but too big to make the weight at 140 now.

[GazOC]

Hatton can't beat Willaims or Margo, they just have too many physical advantages. Margo weighed over 160 on fight night for Cotto and Williams is 6 foot 1 and has just had his last fight at middleweight FFS.

140 hasn't been very strong over the last couple if years but its starting to liven up now with Torres, Holt, JMM, Pac, Bradley.....If he can make 140 comforably Hatton shouldn't feel the need to move to welter to prove anything to anybody and he'd would be fool to move up to welter now unless he got offered crazy money for an Oscar fight.

[JonOli]

Hatton can't beat Willaims or Margo, they just have too many physical advantages. Margo weighed over 160 on fight night for Cotto and Williams is 6 foot 1 and has just had his last fight at middleweight FFS.

140 hasn't been very strong over the last couple if years but its starting to liven up now with Torres, Holt, JMM, Pac, Bradley.....If he can make 140 comforably Hatton shouldn't feel the need to move to welter to prove anything to anybody and he'd would be fool to move up to welter now unless he got offered crazy money for an Oscar fight.

About 5 out the current P4P top ten have achieved little of true note outside their career weight. Take Hopkins for example, he beat Tarver who obviously was done, and also had weight issues and thats the only genuine non middle weight fighter he has ever beat. Calzaghe beat an old gassing Hopkins (a career middle weight) and a totally shot Jones at LH - wow! Cotto beat Pauli at 140, can no longer make weight there, and is losing to big guys at 147! Margo, and Paul Williams have done little of note outside 147. Hatton has a win and a strap at 147, but is a career JMW.

[El Cepillo]

Hatton can't beat Willaims or Margo, they just have too many physical advantages. Margo weighed over 160 on fight night for Cotto and Williams is 6 foot 1 and has just had his last fight at middleweight FFS.

140 hasn't been very strong over the last couple if years but its starting to liven up now with Torres, Holt, JMM, Pac, Bradley.....If he can make 140 comforably Hatton shouldn't feel the need to move to welter to prove anything to anybody and he'd would be fool to move up to welter now unless he got offered crazy money for an Oscar fight.

spot on post this :good

[Scratch]

Whats the best possible way to be shot to shit?

Retired and rich.

I felt sorry for Castillo in that circus.

[icemax]

Hatton was clearly exposed against PBF,

FFS :-( You cannot possibly be "exposed" when fighting the p4p#1.

[dwilson]

Ok Hatton can cash in fighting career smaller men like Pac or JMM butnot step up a weight to fight Marg and Cotto? How much does Hatton usually weight on fight night?

[El Cepillo]

Ok Hatton can cash in fighting career smaller men like Pac or JMM butnot step up a weight to fight Marg and Cotto? How much does Hatton usually weight on fight night?

not 160 like margo that is for sure

[dwilson]

not 160 like margo that is for sure

No but I doubt JMM or Pac will be the same weight as Hatton although maybe Guzman would if he can get his fat arse in gear again. Hatton is only bothered about his pay cheque and not about really testing himself.

[JonOli]

Pac destroyed Diaz at 135, and he is fighting Oscar at 147. If he beats 5ft 10 Oscar, then the weight issue down at 140 (from 147) will be less of a question. Structurally, reach, height etc... Pac and Hatton are about the same.

I doubt Hatton would fight Pac immediately if he loses to Oscar.

[margo82]

Hatton is an inch taller than Pac, gives away two inches in reach. Hatton weighs about 152 come fight night, Pac weighed about 148 in his last fight I think.

Whereas somebody like Williams is 5 inches taller, has a 17 inch reach advantage and just fought at middleweight.

It's clear which are the fairer fights for Hatton.

[GazOC]

Ok Hatton can cash in fighting career smaller men like Pac or JMM butnot step up a weight to fight Marg and Cotto? How much does Hatton usually weight on fight night?

Hatton weighs ~150lbs on fight night IIRC.

Pac and JMM are CHOOSING to move up in weight, its their call just like its Hattons call to stay at 140. Theres no logic in saying because Pac and JMM want to move up to 140 that Hatton shouldn't fight them because he should be moving up to 147....