Juan M. Marquez: "Juarez First, Pacquiao Next!"

[hellblazer]

Juan M. Marquez: "Juarez First, Pacquiao Next!"

By James Blears
WBC Super Featherweight Champion Juan Manuel Marquez wants a re-match with Manny Pacquiao, following his upcoming defense against Rocky Juarez, and Pacquiao’s second clash with Marco Antonio Barrera.
Juan’s Manager Ignacio Beristain says Manny and Juan have unfinished business to revolve and now that the problems between Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank are resolved, it shouldn’t be too difficult to arrange.
He said that after a fantastic and busy year, Juan wants to end it, by spending some quality time with his family. But he’s hoping the fight with Manny can be arranged for March 2008.
Don Ignacio said: “Deep down Manny knows that he lost to Juan in their first fight. Juan is convinced he won that fight, and that he will win their next one too.”
But before all of this, Juan has to fight Rocky Juarez at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on September 15th. Rocky replaced Jorge Barrios, who had to withdraw, after a medical examination showed eye troubles, namely a torn retina, which will need surgery.
Don Ignacio said that Juan will adapt to take the change of opponent in his stride. He described Rocky as a dangerous opponent, but with a less complicated style than Barrios.
To that effect Juan has been sparring with Jose Angel Beranza, who’s previously been in the Rocky camp.
Meanwhile Don Ignacio says Juan is going to the United States until Sunday. He’s leading the Mexican team which will contest the Boxing World Cup against the Philippines. It will feature a magnificent Mexican seven against Filipino stars, this Saturday, at the Arco Arena in Sacramento.

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[boxbox]

hopefully it does happen..money should not be an issue here anymore

[41fever]

cool

[rustyj]

Ok i respect JMM but.....does he seriously fink he WON that fight wid pac man, dude got hammered 3 times in round one and managed to do enuff for the draw. SHould be a good matchup, altho pacman is a more complete fighter now with his right hook added to his straight left.

Rocky Juarez is a good test before the pacman fight so hes goin the right direction.

[sues2nd]

Ok i respect JMM but.....does he seriously fink he WON that fight wid pac man, dude got hammered 3 times in round one and managed to do enuff for the draw. SHould be a good matchup, altho pacman is a more complete fighter now with his right hook added to his straight left.

Rocky Juarez is a good test before the pacman fight so hes goin the right direction.

If he is ready for Pac's power (like he was after feeling it in round one), which he showcased that he was in rounds 2-12, it should be a clinic.

Im picking JMM on this one by WIDE UD!

[boxbox]

Jmm survived the first fight and got an accidental draw, doesn't matter since the judge acknowledged it..this time he wont be so lucky.

[myk]

Marquez doesn't need to fight no Guzman because he has nothing to gain by beating up on a fighter who's accomplished nothing. Who has Guzman ever beat and what exactly does he bring to the table? BEating barrios is no great accomplishment because he was tailor made for the feather fisted slickster with no stamina.

Winner of Pac/barrera needs to fight the winner of Marquez/Juarez immediately.

Marquez will beat pacman's ass... again...


So Marquez has more to gain by fighting a featherweight who lost twice to Barrera and once to Soto?:huh

[myk]

Some might claim that Juarez beat barrera in the first fight. I tend to agree.


I thought so too but Guzman has definitely achieved more than Juarez.

[retriever]

Still....JMM avoided Guzman.

[myk]

Still....JMM avoided Guzman.


I agree but I'm sure his management have their reasons. Poor Juarez, he might as well get a tattoo on his back "You can beat me while waiting for Pacquiao"

[theunderdog]

jmm didn't duck guzman, it was a good decision to take on juarez. as many people have pointed out, taking on guzman requres a lot of training and studying his style and if jmm was preparing for a puncher, why the hell would he take on an outside fighter in guzman

if mab gets injured, knock on wood, i think pac too will rather fight a boxer with similar style as mab than take on a tactician in guzman.

and pac also didn't run from chi or soto, get real man! cut the fighters some slack people. at least they are fighting! not like those rich boxers in pbf and odlh who only fight for themselves and do it once a year. at least jmm and pac are fighting.
juarez is an upgrade from the fighter that jmm was supposed to fight. i don't know why you guys can't see that.

[theunderdog]

and as is have pointed out, it's good that guzman will not take on jmm becuase he has humberto soto lined up. i'd rather see soto-guzman and juarez-jmm thatn jmm-guzman and soto against another tomato can. at least one of them (soto, guzman) will get to prove who deserves a shot at either pac or jmm.

after the pac-mab fight was signed, we all wished for guzman-soto, and we got it! we should all just sit back and watch some great boxing

[Alo2006]

Juan M. Marquez: "Juarez First, Pacquiao Next!"

By James Blears
WBC Super Featherweight Champion Juan Manuel Marquez wants a re-match with Manny Pacquiao, following his upcoming defense against Rocky Juarez, and Pacquiao’s second clash with Marco Antonio Barrera.
Juan’s Manager Ignacio Beristain says Manny and Juan have unfinished business to revolve and now that the problems between Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank are resolved, it shouldn’t be too difficult to arrange.
He said that after a fantastic and busy year, Juan wants to end it, by spending some quality time with his family. But he’s hoping the fight with Manny can be arranged for March 2008.
Don Ignacio said: “Deep down Manny knows that he lost to Juan in their first fight. Juan is convinced he won that fight, and that he will win their next one too.”
But before all of this, Juan has to fight Rocky Juarez at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on September 15th. Rocky replaced Jorge Barrios, who had to withdraw, after a medical examination showed eye troubles, namely a torn retina, which will need surgery.
Don Ignacio said that Juan will adapt to take the change of opponent in his stride. He described Rocky as a dangerous opponent, but with a less complicated style than Barrios.
To that effect Juan has been sparring with Jose Angel Beranza, who’s previously been in the Rocky camp.
Meanwhile Don Ignacio says Juan is going to the United States until Sunday. He’s leading the Mexican team which will contest the Boxing World Cup against the Philippines. It will feature a magnificent Mexican seven against Filipino stars, this Saturday, at the Arco Arena in Sacramento.

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See this supports my theory, I knew this is what he was doing.

[retriever]

Just like PAcman ran away from Chi and Soto?


Nahh! more like JMM avoided PAC and Morales to fight in the jungle for $30K.:yep :yep

[Alo2006]

Still....JMM avoided Guzman.

If Guzman is still doing his thing after JMM take out Rocky, then Pac, then he will get his chance.

[johnco]

Just like PAcman ran away from Chi and Soto?


morales fever.... are you sick? how dare you mention pac running away from chi :-(:-( ahh. are you still mad pac kicked your heroe's ass? :lol::lol:

[johnco]

Nahh! more like JMM avoided PAC and Morales to fight in the jungle for $30K.:yep :yep

:good:good:good:good and he got malaria :good

[myk]

c'mon dude that's not nice. Jungle sounds a bit racist don't you think?

Jungle as in Philipine islands? Indonesia, Philipines. They're pretty much on the same level.


I'll get my beer and popcorn, this is going to be fun! :partytime

[theunderdog]

I'm not trying to hide so stop trying to act like you made some big discovery.

Morales4ever aka ALLBLACK it is I and Im here to let you pinoys know tha I have this new outlook on Filipino people.

you're allblack? ow shit. this is gonna get ugly

[theunderdog]

so you want me to quote each and every hateful allblack post?

are these the only two accounts you have? i thought you had four.

[Boom_Boom]

I'm not trying to hide so stop trying to act like you made some big discovery.

Morales4ever aka ALLBLACK it is I and Im here to let you pinoys know tha I have this new outlook on Filipino people.

lmao :rofl :rofl :rofl , how do you do it dude, you always get me riled up in these pac threads.

I was just about to post that this was one of those rare moments when i wished Domngo was in a Pac thread to be all over you until i read who you really are.

Hey allblack how bout my boy Izzy, showing the world never to count him out again.

[divac]

Hmmm JMM trying to diffuse his ducking of Guzman by now saying he'll fight PAC next.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Last time he said that, he went to Indonesia

Chimba, you've got to be as uneducated as they come.....

JMM has been calling out for a Pac fight for some time now.

I want to fight all the big names is what JMM has been saying.
Guzman is to risky a fight with not enough name appeal to take a chance on a Pac fight not coming to fruition.

The Pac fans would love for somebody else to knock off JMM so that Manny Pac does'nt have to face him.:deal :yep

[divac]

Honestly, the later rounds will be the telltale of this match. If JMM doesnt slow down like he did with MAB, hes got a good chance.

JMM will be good early, it wont be a surprise. Its when PAC turns it on hard in the later rounds that will be the key.

:patsch :-( :lol: See what I mean about being uneducated.
I dont believe you even saw JMM-MAB, Chimba....:lol:

Marquez pretty much owned MAB in the late rounds.
The judges as most in the media had JMM winning by wide scores.

......and in a fight where JMM bled from his nose throughout, he suprisingly after such injury was the fresher fighter vs Pac down the stretch!

Do some homewory Chimba and actually watch some of these fights!:deal

[johnco]

First of all my man, I never intended to change my SC to anything else but everytime I tried to comeback after a ban, the mods wouldnt let me sign in as ALLBLACK which is why I had to change names.. I was never trying to hide anything.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

allblack... you missed pinoys eh :hey:hey

[kg0208]

The longer this fight waits, the less chance JMM has IMO.

Why isn't he fighting Guzman?

[theunderdog]

Chimba, you've got to be as uneducated as they come.....

JMM has been calling out for a Pac fight for some time now.

I want to fight all the big names is what JMM has been saying.
Guzman is to risky a fight with not enough name appeal to take a chance on a Pac fight not coming to fruition.

The Pac fans would love for somebody else to knock off JMM so that Manny Pac does'nt have to face him.:deal :yep


exactly!!!!! pacmanics hate jmm so much because he had a draw with their daddy pad and they just ca't accpet that pac is human! they'll look at everything jmm does as avoiding pac. jmm could have fought edwin valero in japan and pacmanics would have still called it ducking pac.

they knw that jmm is the biggest threat to pac out here and they want him to face the toughest competition possible.

they say that juarez doesn't isn't a worthy challenger because he lost twice to mab. well, i think he won the 1st fight but that's beside the point. my point is, mab is coming of a loss to jmm and theur daddy pac is fighting him. jmm taking on juarez is basically the same as pac taking on mab. and they both opt not to choose guzman as their opponent. end of story. nodoby ducked anybody

[the_what]

He says this but then will probably ended up fighting someone like Fana. JMM isnt getting any younger. He is pissing away his career.

[PATSYS]

If you really thikn about it, JMM hasn't fought anybody of note, except the shopworn MAB whom Pac is criticized for fighting next.

He has been taking the easy route all this time.

[divac]

You are a piece of shit first of all. And dont know what the Fck you are saying.

The fight with MAB and JMM... After the 6th round, you can tell the lost of energy from both. MAB for some reason maybe he's (just so battle worn, surely you know that) was naturally slower than JMM.

Now JMM took advantage of this because he is a good fighter. But he was very weary as well...

My point with PAC is that his workrate is higher or equal in the later rounds than the early rounds...

PAC/EM 2 ...Pac was throwing more intensly in the second half of that fight.

PAC/Solis... Pac didnt do much until the 7th and 8th and he chased a backpedalling Solis down...

PAC/Larios ...Last round, Pac threw more punches than any round knock down Oscar but ran out of time.

Another hater who thinks hes king of EBS... YOu dont know shit!!!

And for the JMM fight...stop living up the past glory..Check the judges card who won the 12 round...

That was a mistake draw, the draw that put JMM in the map do you even know your facts???

Queens NYC baby!!!

The Pac fans can cling to that one judge giving a 10-7 instead of a
10-6 in the first round......
......but that same judge gave one of JMM's biggest rounds in that fight to Manny Pac, a round in which the other two judges had Marquez winning.
Nothing is ever said of that, so imo, if the judge made a mistake in giving a 10-7 round instead of a 10-6, it evens out in that he also gave an obvious round dominated by Marquez to Pac.

....and lets not forget that outside the Filipino media, most the other media either had win or draw for JMM!

The media consensus was almost unanimous, JMM dominated Pac after the 1st round!
.....of but I forgot.....since we're talking about Pac, we should only focus on the occurences of the 1st round!:lol:

[divac]

If you really thikn about it, JMM hasn't fought anybody of note, except the shopworn MAB whom Pac is criticized for fighting next.

He has been taking the easy route all this time.

....and what legit, bonafide 130 pounder has Pac fought????
If we're honest, he's still fighting fighters that are coming up from the lower weight divisions.

....and to be honest, neither is likely to fight a real bonafide 130 pounder who is a real threat until they fight eachother!

[tays001]

:rofl JMM was lucky enough that pac didnt feel like killin him in da 1st fight
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[theHawtness]

Hmmm JMM trying to diffuse his ducking of Guzman by now saying he'll fight PAC next.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Last time he said that, he went to Indonesia
so true. i don't believe in JMM anymore.

[theHawtness]

Media,

Everyone at ringside thought Pac won with the exception of Emmanuel, who as we know is very reserved in praising PAC..

Lederman had Pac Ahead, Lamp and Merchant thought Pac won... Dont buy into this myth that JMM dominated Pac, he never hurt Pac.. Pac hasnt been hurt by a punch since Agapito uppercuted his balls.
check! :good

[theunderdog]

Media,

Everyone at ringside thought Pac won with the exception of Emmanuel, who as we know is very reserved in praising PAC..

Lederman had Pac Ahead, Lamp and Merchant thought Pac won... Dont buy into this myth that JMM dominated Pac, he never hurt Pac.. Pac hasnt been hurt by a punch since Agapito uppercuted his balls.

do you deny that he was seriously hurt in the larrios fight. pac got a little glassy eyed on that one

[theunderdog]

look at his eyes bro. he was definitely hurt unlike chimba's claims. that's pac was never hurt after sanshez's low blows. the whole country held their breath in that instance. i also never claimed that he wasn't able to recover you dumb fuck. i also didn't say that pac didn't beat up larrios to a bloody pulp. all i was saying was that for that moment, pac was hurt bad by larrios. the whole philippines held their breath on that on, i bet.

[kg0208]

This is something new. First time I heard of this after 3 years and 5 months after that fight which is incidentally coming from a diehard Mexican fan. Anyway, this guy is saying that the judge realized his error in the first round, so he has to make it up by giving more points on another round which this deranged Marquez nutty fan failed mention. If Marquez dominated that round w/out a knockdown, was he supposed to be given a 10-9 score? Are you saying the other judges gave Marquez 10-8 and the judged in question gave only 10-9 which is just right? Or, are you saying that judge gave Pac 10-9? Do you have links of this. Not for anything, I'm just curious if what you've said was true.

Would be interesting. But we would need punch stat numbers too. If it was a close round stats wise, and 2 judges gave it to JMM and one to Pac, then thats just subjectivity. If it was a blowout statistically....well then we have a new discussion.

[theunderdog]

Excuse me, but isn't this ducking? When Marquez refused to fight a more skilled fighter and fight a weaker one, what does that mean? Ducking or fighting out of convenience?

In the boxing world, we can say that Marquez chickened out after the brutal loss of his brother. Same fight might happen to him.


so explain to me again why pac is fighting mab instead of guzman or soto? if you call what jmm did as ducking, what pac did to soto and guzman is also ducking. but you won't accept the fact that pac ducked could you? mab has lost to pac by blowout and is coming off a loss to jmm. let's all just accept that he is shot now.

so pac didn't take a guzman or soto fight, didn't even take a valero fight in macau and took jorge solis, who was definitely a lesser fighter and is again taking the lesser fighter in mab if compared to guzman and soto who are both in their primes. so in your terms pac ducked guzman and soto too.

[theunderdog]

Pac was stunned, and everyone is stunned and as you said the whole philippines held its breath. But he was not hurt. If he was hurt, he could not have recovered, shithead!



dude, you're making a total fool of yourself. your boy mayol hurt solis in their fight but solis recovered in time and ko'd mayol. why the hell are you saying that hurt fighters can't recover? hussein hurt pac in their fight and pac recovered to beat hussein. chico freaking coralles was hurt many times against jlc but still recovered and managed to tko him. need i say more?

[theunderdog]

It's not Valero in Macau. It was supposed to be In Jin Chi. Fight w/ Valero was never set because handlers of Valero thought their boy was not yet prepared for Pac. Regarding Soto, it was never set by Arum in the first place. He could have fought Soto had the negotiations w/ GBP failed. It was not because he was ducking Soto. Fight w/ Guzman was never set because Guzman was partially handled by GBP.

Now, why is Pac taking on Barrera not Marquez, or anyone you mentioned? It was more of business or money which Manny has no control but his managers. Blame GBP or Arum, but definitely Pac will duck anyone.

exactly, so fucking blame the handlers of jmm and not the fighter himself. the thing is, with you people, when pac takes on a weaker fighter in mab, yall think it just being smart and doing good business. but when it's jmm's turn to do the same, it's ducking, you have fucking double standards.

[theunderdog]

Those fighters you mentioned were never hurt in the first place. Pac was not in any degree hurt in that fight w/ Larios. Stunned? Yes. This is similar to what happened to Marquez. Marquez was not really hurt in the 3 knockdowns he got from Pac but he was stunned. Otherwise, if Marquez was hurt, he could not have recovered. Did you get it?

chico wasn't hurt? are you blind or maybe just stupid

[theunderdog]

answer my other question. why do you call it ducking when it comes to jmm and a "good business decision" when it comes to pac when they basically did the same thing?

[theunderdog]

so pac's fighting mab because it is a bigger draw than a guzman or soto fight? we are not talking about draw here. were talking about quality of fighters. here, pac will fight mab in october. mab was already beaten by pac before and was coming of a loss to jmm. jmm is taking on juarez who lost twice to mab but is coming off two wins, albeit against lesser competition. mab is not that far a competition from juarez actually, so don't make it seem that pac is taking for stiffer competition than jmm because he clearly is not.

and yes, fighting guzman will be a bad business decision because he is in training for a puncher not a technician. it will be completely stupid for jmm to shift his training. imagine prepapring to fight against valero and then suddenly he backs out and you have to fight zahir raheem. that would be really hard because it takes weeks and weeks of preparation to map out a good battle plan and if you have to pick another opponent, it is common sense that you pick a fighter that has similar style with the one you were preparing for.

as other people said before, it will be tough to train for guzman with a full training schedule and it is much tougher to take on guzman with half a training schedule.

you're also making it seem that "business decisions" are all about draws. they're not! doing good business right now for jmm is preparing for a big money match against pac. and taking guzman this late will be stupid as i have said previously.

[enzo]

answer my other question. why do you call it ducking when it comes to jmm and a "good business decision" when it comes to pac when they basically did the same thing?

JMM has done it twice already.. that is why. And besides the obvious money issue, MAB demanded to GBP to give him the PAC fight or else he will retire which IMO one the biggest reasons why GBP opted to let MAB fight PAC instead of JMM.

[enzo]

Based on what you have said about the quality of fighters and good business decisions, any grade schooler will conclude that Marquez is afraid to fight Guzman after his brother Rafa lost to a dangerous boxer Vasquez. He wanted to fight less skilled Juarez not dangerous Guzman to assure himself to a fight w/ Pac. Ergo, Marquez ducked Guzman. Very simple. :smoke

:good

[theunderdog]

and any grade schooler should also think that pac ducked guzman AND soto and took on the low risk mab. funny that you should bring up grade schoolers because you think like one. what part of "jmm didn't pick guzman because he is preparing for a puncher and not a tactician" did you not understand? pac's cock is shoved so deep in your throat that you can't think straight

[theunderdog]

Do you honestly believe Pac will duck Guzman or even Soto who's promoter is Arum himself? How can Pac avoid a fighter like Guzman who promoter GBP has a problem w/ Pac's promoter, Arum. By the way, it's Pac who choose his opponent but his promoter Arum who knows which fighter is more bankable in terms of gate receipts and PPVs.

In Marquez and Guzman case, negotiations were already being done in the higher level but unfortunately Marquez refused to fight Guzman. Pacquiao's promoters had not even negotiated w/ the fighters you claimed he ducked.
Refusing to fight a more dangerous fighter like Guzman, Marquez is therefore guilty of ducking.

negotiations were at a higher level? source please!! guzman's name was just thrown to the picture. what higher level negotiations are you talking about?


owned me? please. you could not even own stinky when the ownage was right in your face. you don't even know what weight pac was when he lost his title at the scales. how the hell could you own me?

[psychopath]

WBC Super Featherweight Champion Juan Manuel Marquez wants a re-match with Manny Pacquiao . . . . .

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How many times have I heard that in years? :think

To Team JMM,

Just SHUT the FUCK UP . . . and talk when you're ready to fight. :rofl :D :yep

[theunderdog]

Do you honestly believe Pac will duck Guzman or even Soto who's promoter is Arum himself? How can Pac avoid a fighter like Guzman who promoter GBP has a problem w/ Pac's promoter, Arum. By the way, it's Pac who choose his opponent but his promoter Arum who knows which fighter is more bankable in terms of gate receipts and PPVs.

In Marquez and Guzman case, negotiations were already being done in the higher level but unfortunately Marquez refused to fight Guzman. Pacquiao's promoters had not even negotiated w/ the fighters you claimed he ducked.
Refusing to fight a more dangerous fighter like Guzman, Marquez is therefore guilty of ducking.

i never said pac ducked anybody boy, i was saying that if you also think pac didn't duck anybody, then you should't also say jmm is ducking guzman because what they did was basically the same? this was my point since the start of the thread and you still don't get it til now? damn.

[theunderdog]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How many times have I heard that in years? :think

To Team JMM,

Just SHUT the FUCK UP . . . and talk when you're ready to fight. :rofl :D :yep

you south korean bitch is back! have you seen him?

[theunderdog]

nah. i'm not alone one this.

[theunderdog]

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read this thread. there are some of us who think jmm didn't duck

[psychopath]

you south korean bitch is back! have you seen him?

What Korean bitch are u talking about? Seen who? :think

Did what I posted hurt you? That's for real Bruh. I'm tired of Team JMM saying they want to fight Pac all these years . . . I want to see them work for it.

[enzo]

What Korean bitch are u talking about? Seen who? :think

Did what I posted hurt you? That's for real Bruh. I'm tired of Team JMM saying they want to fight Pac all these years . . . I want to see them work for it.

he's talking bout allblack a.k.a. rebe1 :hey

[psychopath]

he's talking bout allblack a.k.a. rebe1 :hey

:D Oh OK :lol:

Nah he's probably lurking around here with a new handle now. :good

[enzo]

check out Morales4ever... the fuck is back! :yep

[reed_man02]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How many times have I heard that in years? :think

To Team JMM,

Just SHUT the FUCK UP . . . and talk when you're ready to fight. :rofl :D :yep

trust me, pacman doesnt want to hear what jmm has to say. he probably hears enough of jmm in his nightmares, have you no mercy?:deal

[psychopath]

check out Morales4ever... the fuck is back! :yep

Oh yeah? :roll: :think

Thanks for the tip. :yep :good

[psychopath]

trust me, pacman doesnt want to hear what jmm has to say. he probably hears enough of jmm in his nightmares, have you no mercy?:deal

Nah that's only in your NIGHTMARE. :D I stand by the facts dude.

Arum was moving heaven and earth to make that fight happen long long long time ago. JMM decided to refuse the $750 K offer and decided to fight Cris John in Indonesia for 35 K. :yep

Not only that JMM also refused a fight with Morales turning down the $1.4 Mil offer.

Now don't tell me it's only in my dream :lol: . . . that's for real dude and fully documented.

[reed_man02]

Nah that's only in your NIGHTMARE. :D I stand by the facts dude.

Arum was moving heaven and earth to make that fight happen long long long time ago. JMM decided to refuse the $750 K offer and decided to fight Cris John in Indonesia for 35 K. :yep

Not only that JMM also refused a fight with Morales turning down the $1.4 Mil offer.

Now don't tell me it's only in my dream :lol: . . . that's for real dude and fully documented.

i stand by facts myself. first item of evidence, jmm vs pac 1:yep

[psychopath]

i stand by facts myself. first item of evidence, jmm vs pac 1:yep

So what does JMM/Pac I proved? That was a draw right? Reason why Team PAC wanted a rematch . . . so there could be a clear winner . . . who refused? . . . who made the excuses why the fight didn't happen?

Is it Pac? So tell me who do you figure among the two is having a nightmare? The guy wanting the rematch or the guy refusing?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :good

[reed_man02]

So what does JMM/Pac I proved? That was a draw right? Reason why Team PAC wanted a rematch . . . so there could be a clear winner . . . who refused? . . . who made the excuses why the fight didn't happen?

Is it Pac? So tell me who do you figure among the two is having a nightmare? The guy wanting the rematch or the guy refusing?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :good

yea, because jmm decides who he fight. it has absoulutely nothing to do with his manager picking who his fights and agreeing on the conditions.

the first fight didnt prove that they are even, it prove that jmm has the style to embarrass manny like the limited fighter he is. :deal

[El Bombasto]

i hope he's not looking past rocky

[Chert]

Now on second thought the baby is cute and PAc is ONE UGLY MOFO:rofl

yep. but pac sure gets a lot of beautiful, young sexy actresses in Manila. that's what fame and money get you.

[theunderdog]

yep. but pac sure gets a lot of beautiful, young sexy actresses in Manila. that's what fame and money get you.

so he's committing adultery now? shame. i thought billiards and gambling were his only addictions. now he's womanizing? damn

[psychopath]

yea, because jmm decides who he fight. it has absoulutely nothing to do with his manager picking who his fights and agreeing on the conditions.

the first fight didnt prove that they are even, it prove that jmm has the style to embarrass manny like the limited fighter he is. :deal

Yeah right has the style to embarrass Pac . . . that's why he refused the $750 K and fought in Indonesia for $35 K. :yep Is that the fact that you're holding on?

:think Hmmm . . . you're a genius Bruh. Carry on with your stupidity. :D :good

[divac]

Let me ask you guys.....you dont think after the first JMM-Pac fight that both fighters deserved more than 100,000 more than what they got paid for their first fight?????

I would think that after the first Gatti-Ward fight, both those guys got paid significantly more in their ensuing fights.....and the same for Castillo-Corrales.

Essentially JMM did the same that Felix Trinidad and Shane Mosely did after beating Oscar Delahoya.....both of them turned down a petty raise in the purse for a rematch.....yet JMM gets heavily criticized for doing exactly what Trinidad and Mosely did....expecting and demanding a significant pay increase after the performance he turned in vs Manny Pac.

[psychopath]

Let me ask you guys.....you dont think after the first JMM-Pac fight that both fighters deserved more than 100,000 more than what they got paid for their first fight?????

I would think that after the first Gatti-Ward fight, both those guys got paid significantly more in their ensuing fights.....and the same for Castillo-Corrales.

Essentially JMM did the same that Felix Trinidad and Shane Mosely did after beating Oscar Delahoya.....both of them turned down a petty raise in the purse for a rematch.....yet JMM gets heavily criticized for doing exactly what Trinidad and Mosely did....expecting and demanding a significant pay increase after the performance he turned in vs Manny Pac.

Trinidad and Mosely is a far different case from JMM's case. Trinidad and Mosley beat DLH, in JMM's case it is a draw. And besides $750 K is too far from 35 K. Bro. I don't see how it could be justified. If he turned down the $750 K and fought for somehting a little less like $500 K or let's just say half . . . $375 K . . . maybe it's still acceptable. The 750 K is already way up in the amount which he received in the first fight.

And besides how can you also justify JMM turning down $1.4 Mil to fight Morales? Does he think he is bigger than Morales at that point? :think

[divac]

Trinidad and Mosely is a far different case from JMM's case. Trinidad and Mosley beat DLH, in JMM's case it is a draw. And besides $750 K is too far from 35 K. Bro. I don't see how it could be justified. If he turned down the $750 K and fought for somehting a little less like $500 K or let's just say half . . . $375 K . . . maybe it's still acceptable. The 750 K is already way up in the amount which he received in the first fight.

And besides how can you also justify JMM turning down $1.4 Mil to fight Morales? Does he think he is bigger than Morales at that point? :think

Psycho, do you actually think that JMM was presented with an offer that said, take Pac for 750k, or John for 35k, and he chose John????
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LOL at the way people in this forum depict JMM refusing the fight with Pac and instead fighting John for 35k.:lol: :nut

If anybody had done their homework on what transpired, the JMM team wanted the Pac rematch but were holding out for more than a 100k raise from the 650k they got for their first fight with Pac.

While the JMM were holding out and trying to negotiate for more, JMM's own promoter blind sided them and announced that he had reached and agreement for Morales to fight Manny Pac.

After Bob Arum gave the Pac fight to Morales, the JMM team were left between a rock and a hard place and nowhere to turn but to take on another fighter.
He then fought John because it was for a title shot.
The JMM-John fight actually went up for purse bids and none of the major promoters wanted to promote that fight in Indonesia.

JMM was lowballed into being forced to accept 35k, and he accepted because he was one fight away from ending his contract with Bob Arum who never treated JMM with the respect he deserved.

Essentially JMM fought John to gain the 126 lbs title and end his commitment with Bob Arum.

.....but I reiterate again, it was never a choice between accepting the Pac fight or the John fight.....the John fight came about after Arum backstabbed negotiations between Pac and JMM and brought Morales into the picture.

[DobyZhee]

divac, the point is JMM tried to be shrewd to get the most money out of something and it backfired. Instead Eric Morales took the spot, the glory and is a LOT richer than JMM. Anyways, I don't feel a least bit sorry for JMM and his choice of backstabbing promoters. Arum stabs him in the back and get this, Oscar assrapes JMM by giving the Pacquiao rematch to the guy JMM thoroughly beat (minus the knockdown). I'm surprised JMM hasn't committed suicide yet after all this.

Anyways, for all the JMM nuthuggers...if he loses to Pac in the future you guys have your 2 aces in the hole that "JMM was too old" and "If he would have immediately fought Pac, he definitely would have won" cards. If he wins in the rematch, well he should get all the credit in the world.

Anyways, Am I the only one that thinks a fight with Juarez as a supposed 'tuneup' for Pac is a very smart move for JMM? He fights a lefty with a decent hook and in the process, it looks good on his resume compared to the Salidos and Turdsaks of the world. Only problem is that he's been feasting on other people's leftovers. But hey, Juarez is a game opponent who has already been totally exposed. This fight is definite UNDERCARD Material IMO.

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Well i hope so cuz most fans have been waiting for this fight for years now that Top rank and golden boy settle there despute we just might see it next year.