View Full Version : Can Push ups help your bench press?
Canibus81
11-28-2008, 05:35 PM
I know there's different ways you can do push ups but I'd have to say doing your push ups slow and as many as you can do will halp your bench a little casuse your using more resistance if done that way. What you guys think?
boxingtactics07
11-28-2008, 05:46 PM
Pushups can definitely improve your bench press. Pushups start off as a strength exercise, then improve to a strength & endurance exercise, and they finally end up as a conditioning/recovery exercise; which ultimately benefits any future chest exercise that you do. The faster your body can recover, the more you can do. IMO - The pushup is by far a much more functional exercise than the bench press. The bench press is better than the pushup when it comes to aesthetics though.
Canibus81
11-28-2008, 05:50 PM
Pushups can definitely improve your bench press. Pushups start off as a strength exercise, then improve to a strength & endurance exercise, and they finally end up as a conditioning/recovery exercise; which ultimately benefits any future chest exercise that you do. The faster your body can recover, the more you can do. IMO - The pushup is by far a much more functional exercise than the bench press. The bench press is better than the pushup when it comes to aesthetics though.
What do you mean by aesthetics?
boxingtactics07
11-28-2008, 09:36 PM
bodybuilding
El Puma
11-29-2008, 12:37 AM
I'm going to be an asshole about this and if your not the sensitive type, you will appreciate this.
Are you a combat athlete? Are you interested in training like a combat athlete? Well, why in the fuck would you want to do pushups to "improve" putting at least a couple of hundred pounds over your most valuable possesions? i.e. teeth,eyes,throat,nose, chest, and your overall fucking face?!
Will it improve you as a fighter? Fuck no. So, go do jumping burpees, work on your one armed pushup, do clapping pushups and above all, use the fucking search function in Google before starting asinine threads. Please and fucking thank you.
strrrng
11-29-2008, 05:26 AM
I know there's different ways you can do push ups but I'd have to say doing your push ups slow and as many as you can do will halp your bench a little casuse your using more resistance if done that way. What you guys think?
This is incorrect. Doing them slower only stresses your muscles out more; it doesn't add resistance. Resistance comes from mass, which is what you control with the bench press. Push ups are fine for a warm up, but in order to develop power and explosiveness, you need to do bench press as well (preferably one arm bench), with lower reps/higher weight being the focus. Clap push ups are also preferable to normal ones, as they develop fast twitch muscle fibers better.
Pushups can definitely improve your bench press. Pushups start off as a strength exercise, then improve to a strength & endurance exercise, and they finally end up as a conditioning/recovery exercise; which ultimately benefits any future chest exercise that you do. The faster your body can recover, the more you can do. IMO - The pushup is by far a much more functional exercise than the bench press. The bench press is better than the pushup when it comes to aesthetics though.
They only improve bench press to a degree, and then like you said, become an endurance exercise. The only way to consistently improve strength is through added resistance. And bench press doesn't have to be strictly about aesthetics. Doing 3 sets of 4-6 reps will build power; it's the sets of 8-12 reps that build aesthetics. And how are push ups more "functional" than bench press? How do you define functional?
Primenal
11-29-2008, 11:23 AM
They can sort of help, but you know what's best for getting your bench press up???...Doing BENCH PRESS!
Working out is no different than everything in everyday life. You do something enough...You get better at it through experience, and better at it. In the case of working out your body grows, gets stronger, etc.
The thing about pushups is like they already mentioned at first it may help a little bit (if say you can only do 5-20) to get stronger. After you improve you get A LOT more, and then it becomes more endurance. I'm personally in the state of trying mainly to get bigger, and I don't hardly ever go above 5 reps right now on all my lifting. For cardio I box 4 times a week (about 45 minutes a day), run twice a week (windsprints), swim twice a week, jump rope 3x a week. I do this because I want to get big....but yet have nice, functionable, lean muscle, and be in good enough shape to use it. It's going very well for right now.
Glenwils
11-29-2008, 11:35 AM
I'm going to be an asshole about this and if your not the sensitive type, you will appreciate this.
Are you a combat athlete? Are you interested in training like a combat athlete? Well, why in the fuck would you want to do pushups to "improve" putting at least a couple of hundred pounds over your most valuable possesions? i.e. teeth,eyes,throat,nose, chest, and your overall fucking face?!
Will it improve you as a fighter? Fuck no. So, go do jumping burpees, work on your one armed pushup, do clapping pushups and above all, use the fucking search function in Google before starting asinine threads. Please and fucking thank you.
wow you wernet kidding when you said you was gonna be an asshole.
BlackWater
11-29-2008, 12:28 PM
I'm going to be an asshole about this and if your not the sensitive type, you will appreciate this.
Are you a combat athlete? Are you interested in training like a combat athlete? Well, why in the fuck would you want to do pushups to "improve" putting at least a couple of hundred pounds over your most valuable possesions? i.e. teeth,eyes,throat,nose, chest, and your overall fucking face?!
Will it improve you as a fighter? Fuck no. So, go do jumping burpees, work on your one armed pushup, do clapping pushups and above all, use the fucking search function in Google before starting asinine threads. Please and fucking thank you.
What do you do that is different? I do my roadwork and I go to the gym and box, but I also lift weights with focus on olympic and powerlifts.
El Puma
11-29-2008, 02:09 PM
What do you do that is different? I do my roadwork and I go to the gym and box, but I also lift weights with focus on olympic and powerlifts.Ok, but do you bench? Are you looking to up your #'s on the bench or are you considered a curl monkey? Cuz, your routine looks decent to me and as far as what I do, I post my routines and the search button will guide you to them. I have links to various sites that will help combat athletes such as we should be here.
BlackWater
11-29-2008, 02:16 PM
Ok, but do you bench? Are you looking to up your #'s on the bench or are you considered a curl monkey? Cuz, your routine looks decent to me and as far as what I do, I post my routines and the search button will guide you to them. I have links to various sites that will help combat athletes such as we should be here.
I don't do curls.
I have two max effort days. One for Squat/Deadlift and the other for bench press (3x3). Both days I rotate two other lifts that compliment the main lift.
I then have two dynamic effort days with power cleans(8x2) and another with speed bench press(10x3).
El Puma
11-29-2008, 02:19 PM
I don't do curls.
I have two max effort days. One for Squat/Deadlift and the other for bench press (3x3). Both days I rotate two other lifts that compliment the main lift.
I then have two dynamic effort days with power cleans and another with speed bench press.:thinkI have no use for the bench. One armed pushups,weighted dips and plyo pushups are where I roll. But i digress, here is a link for you
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Nutra200
11-29-2008, 02:43 PM
I'm going to be an asshole about this and if your not the sensitive type, you will appreciate this.
Are you a combat athlete? Are you interested in training like a combat athlete? Well, why in the fuck would you want to do pushups to "improve" putting at least a couple of hundred pounds over your most valuable possesions? i.e. teeth,eyes,throat,nose, chest, and your overall fucking face?!
Will it improve you as a fighter? Fuck no. So, go do jumping burpees, work on your one armed pushup, do clapping pushups and above all, use the fucking search function in Google before starting asinine threads. Please and fucking thank you.
Well put!!! And fucking hilarious!!! Who lifts weights to get better at...lifting weights?!!!
BlackWater
11-29-2008, 02:46 PM
:thinkI have no use for the bench. One armed pushups,weighted dips and plyo pushups are where I roll. But i digress, here is a link for you
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That article didn't state that doing bench press was a bad thing and I don't think it said that bodyweight exercises are the only way to go. I do agree that a fighter should focus on fighting, but increasing maximal strength is a good thing to have.
El Puma
11-29-2008, 02:48 PM
Well put!!! And fucking hilarious!!! Who lifts weights to get better at...lifting weights?!!!:good Gotta keep my people here on the right track. I'm happy to help but will lay the hammer down on these over repeated threads.
El Puma
11-29-2008, 02:52 PM
That article didn't state that doing bench press was a bad thing and I don't think it said that bodyweight exercises are the only way to go. I do agree that a fighter should focus on fighting, but increasing maximal strength is a good thing to have.It's good but it is such a small aspect of fighting. Tank Abbott can bench press 500 lbs apparently but that didnt help him when he was getting his ass whipped by lack of conditioning and his opponent.
Strength conditioning for me would be explosive movements that can be sustained throughout the fight. Thus, Fartlek,sprints and explosive weighted burpees in conjunction with Oly lifts would be the way to go.
SouthpawSlayer
11-29-2008, 03:01 PM
I'm going to be an asshole about this and if your not the sensitive type, you will appreciate this.
Are you a combat athlete? Are you interested in training like a combat athlete? Well, why in the fuck would you want to do pushups to "improve" putting at least a couple of hundred pounds over your most valuable possesions? i.e. teeth,eyes,throat,nose, chest, and your overall fucking face?!
Will it improve you as a fighter? Fuck no. So, go do jumping burpees, work on your one armed pushup, do clapping pushups and above all, use the fucking search function in Google before starting asinine threads. Please and fucking thank you.
couldnt of put it better myself, some people think higher weights = p4p greatness
BlackWater
11-29-2008, 04:43 PM
It's good but it is such a small aspect of fighting. Tank Abbott can bench press 500 lbs apparently but that didnt help him when he was getting his ass whipped by lack of conditioning and his opponent.
Strength conditioning for me would be explosive movements that can be sustained throughout the fight. Thus, Fartlek,sprints and explosive weighted burpees in conjunction with Oly lifts would be the way to go.
Oh well obviously, conditioning is the staple of my beliefs on being an athlete. I merely include bench press as an overall strength builder, however, I have always wanted to be good at one-armed pushups..and I did use the grease the grove method, in fact, you and I talked of it last year on my old account :lol:
El Puma
11-29-2008, 06:21 PM
Oh well obviously, conditioning is the staple of my beliefs on being an athlete. I merely include bench press as an overall strength builder, however, I have always wanted to be good at one-armed pushups..and I did use the grease the grove method, in fact, you and I talked of it last year on my old account :lol::think Blackwater is former Spec Ops chaps doing freelance so...what was your old account name?
BlackWater
11-29-2008, 07:46 PM
:think Blackwater is former Spec Ops chaps doing freelance so...what was your old account name?
Artigo
elTerrible
11-30-2008, 01:27 AM
Dont know, but the reverse is certainly true.
I remember from highschool weight class that we recorded our push ups until failure at the begining and end of the semester and that the extra chest strength from bench presses really improved my ability to do pushups.
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