I think Rafael Marquez threw the fight

[Chileno606]

He fought in the opposite way he fought in the first fight, where he did well. His jab was never there, it was slow and was nothing like int he first fight. He also rarely tried to box, when Vasquez tried to get inside, instead of sidestepping or stepping back, he would hunch over and try to hook with the stronger and better hooker. He fought the completely wrong way, since the very begining, before he even began taking punches. He whent out fighting though, so it wasnt bad. They get another big paycheck in the trlilogy now, and they both get to take part in another great fight.
I just think Rafa could have won again had he really tried to box more like in the first fight. He fought the wrong fightplan on purpose to have a trilogy. :think

For the morons:

Marquez wouldn't throw a fight when another win adds more to his legacy and supremacy in that division and historically. Theres a number of reasons why he might have lost and I shouldn't even bother because this tread is stupid but here it goes;

1. Maybe he thought he would do the same as before, maybe even easier with the nose factoring into it. Before the fight over 70% thought that Marquez was going to win, why do you think that was? Did he understimate Vasquez?

2. He might have tried to beat Vasquez at infighting because of his confidence in his power and the last fights result. Maybe he couldn't find room to maneuver due to the more effective pressure this time.

3. Vasquez simply looked a lot better this time with his jab and movement. Didn't Roach not train him the last time?

4. Vasquez has serious power and Marquez has only a decent chin. He was hurt throughout the fight.

5. Ever here of simply being the better man on the night?

6. If Marquez threw the fight intentionally explain the referees stoppage, he was fighting til the end.

I dont dispute any of this, and where tha fuck do you retards get that I said Marquez took a dive? Learn how to read you morons. I just said he purposely fought in the wrong style, the style that would either grant him a quick victory or a glorious loss (go to war with stronger guy). Its not far-fetched at all to think they BOTH (AND SHOWTIME) wanted a third fight, if you think its a stupid idea, your naive and dont know fuck about the business that is Boxing. These guys are making peanuts compared to guys in heavier divisions, they need all the good paychecks they can get because at their weightclass they are rare. I should have made all this more clear in the first post, I'll say that much.

[jackiebrown]

i believe he did ... look at the betting section ... you'll see hours before the fight i clearly called vasqez and just for this particular reason.. all the money is in the rubber match ...

you aint alone in this thought bra

[Marcus]

A Mexican champ like Marquez wouldnt do such a thing IMO

[achillesthegreat]

Shockingly stupid thread.

[rendog67]

no way just cant see it

[kg0208]

Not buyin it.

[psychopath]

He fought in the opposite way he fought in the first fight, where he did well. His jab was never there, it was slow and was nothing like int he first fight. He also rarely tried to box, when Vasquez tried to get inside, instead of sidestepping or stepping back, he would hunch over and try to hook with the stronger and better hooker. He fought the completely wrong way, since the very begining, before he even began taking punches. He whent out fighting though, so it wasnt bad. They get another big paycheck in the trlilogy now, and they both get to take part in another great fight.
I just think Rafa could have won again had he really tried to box more like in the first fight. He fought the wrong fightplan on purpose to have a trilogy. :think

You're a Stupid Moron!!!

:fire

[theunderdog]

it was a contested stoppage. don't you think he would have done a little bit "more" if he threw the fight? i mean rafa took many punches in that fight that could put a lesser fighter to sleep, don't you think he could have taken a dive earlier in the fight?

[PATSYS]

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[InHumanForm]

:nod

Instead of blaming Rafa for a dive you should be applauding Vazquez for switching his gameplan which rendered Marquez unable to do everything he did the first fight.

In this fight Vazquez was much more aggressive than we've ever seen him, as he used a short jab early on to work his way inside better, and he also worked harder to stay closer to Rafa the entire fight... and while inside this time he worked the body and used his shorter punches and physical strength to be more effective on the inside than Marquez.

Taking a dive?:roll: Pffft, that's one hell of a beating to take if all Rafa wanted to do is take a 'dive'.

good post. and damn Vasquez has a NICE jab. it kept popping Rafa's head back when it landed like a good jab is supposed to.

[MacManJr.]

We don't believe you. You need more people! (Hov)

[tragicliston]

Give me a break.

[nezy37]

:patsch

[thewoo]

I didn't even take the time to read the explanation in the first post. The title of this thread is stupid enough.

[freddy-wak]

:nod

Instead of blaming Rafa for a dive you should be applauding Vazquez for switching his gameplan which rendered Marquez unable to do everything he did the first fight.

In this fight Vazquez was much more aggressive than we've ever seen him, as he used a short jab early on to work his way inside better, and he also worked harder to stay closer to Rafa the entire fight... and while inside this time he worked the body and used his shorter punches and physical strength to be more effective on the inside than Marquez.

Taking a dive?:roll: Pffft, that's one hell of a beating to take if all Rafa wanted to do is take a 'dive'.

ok then, he took a cannonball plunge...:lol: :lol: :lol:

it really surprises me how dumb some guys can be "TAKE A DIVE" ahahahahahahhaha that's funny...

[JETSKI]

Shockingly stupid thread.

Yes it is...No way in hell Marquez throws this fight. What the hell does he need a trilogy for? Plus, if he wanted a 3rd fight, for whatever stupid reason, theres no guarantee he wins a third fight.

Marquez was 4-0, w/4 KO's in his career rematches. Why would he want to tarnish that perfect stat.?

Ridiculous to even consider such a thing.

[achillesthegreat]

I say delete this thread. Just pollutes the board.

This is a forum and we share opinions but this isn't an opinion, it is stupidity that taints what Vasquez and Marquez did.

[Boom_Boom]

friggn bullshit

Izzy was very aggressive and threw the left alot more than the 1st fight and threw Marquez off what he expected.

[digiram]

Shockingly stupid thread.

:good :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The left hook in the 3rd round slowed him considerably, and after that Izzy had no problems getting inside and making it his fight.

[jackiebrown]

maybe he didnt throw it ...but yall gotta admit i called this fucker to the T

[TIGEREDGE]

Its Always A Possibilty. I Do Believe That Marquez WAS UNDERPAR. He Didn't Seem As Sharp As He Was In The First Fight. His jab was never used

But vasquez has got to be given credit for his performance

BRING ON THE RUBBERMATCH

[Shev]

Marquez wouldn't throw a fight when another win adds more to his legacy and supremacy in that division and historically. Theres a number of reasons why he might have lost and I shouldn't even bother because this tread is stupid but here it goes;

1. Maybe he thought he would do the same as before, maybe even easier with the nose factoring into it. Before the fight over 70% thought that Marquez was going to win, why do you think that was? Did he understimate Vasquez?

2. He might have tried to beat Vasquez at infighting because of his confidence in his power and the last fights result. Maybe he couldn't find room to maneuver due to the more effective pressure this time.

3. Vasquez simply looked a lot better this time with his jab and movement. Didn't Roach not train him the last time?

4. Vasquez has serious power and Marquez has only a decent chin. He was hurt throughout the fight.

5. Ever here of simply being the better man on the night?

6. If Marquez threw the fight intentionally explain the referees stoppage, he was fighting til the end.

[Toopretty]

Marquez tried to fight too much. I dont think he would of threw the bombs he threw at vasquez if he was not trying to win. Marquez didnt box and instigated the war. SO NO WAY JOSE... I mean it was kind of dumb to go to war with when you are the better boxer. But Marquez's corner would have to be blamed for that. He had Vasquez sliced up on both eyes and he still didnt step back and use the jab when he was obviously not the better slugger. Marquez hits harder, but Vasquez as by far the better chin and recovery ability. I have no interest in a 3rd fight these guys brutalize each other too much for another one.

[Toopretty]

The only thing that supports your case is that they were putting up the 3 together and both were all battered and bruised but smiling. Think about. More money for the both of them. The third would be ppv. I see where you are coming from. To those that write if off as bullshit. Marquez didnt even look upset that he lost, thats the thing that made me have a hint of what this guy is saying. I mean he is just saying 3 and putting the fingers up and smiling. More money for the 3rd fight again for both guys.

[Alo2006]

Hey, I'm a Marquez fan as well, but u don't see me making no lame excuses like this :-(

[Antwuan Maxx]

I think Marquez losing the fight was a combination of him not being as prepared for the rematch as he was for the original (he was breathing heavy after the first round/plus the fact that him and his wife were expecting) and Vasquez making adjustments in between bouts (plus fighting without a broken nose). To suggest Marquez threw the fight is a joke.

[jecxbox]

this is the stupidest shit i've ever read in my entire life. After a war like that and people say things like this....


:tired

[kirk]

um. marquez was going crazy on vasquez... if he was truly trying to DIVE, how the hell did he know that vasquez wouldnt get knocked out, quit, get a fight stopping cut, ect, ect...

i think its very insulting to marquez, vasquez, and everything they put on the line that night to accuse him of throwing the fight.

dear god look at them... they put everything on the line that fight. i think he just thought he could overwelm him.

[jecxbox]

Vazquez is going to knock him the hell out in the 3rd fight too just watch it.

[a.arthur.h]

:barf Disgusting thread..how can you even attempt to drag down a guy like Marquez. I wanted and thought he would win, but I give credit where its due. Vasquez did an amazing job taking advantage of his left hook. Both of these guys have hearts of warriors and deserve the utmost respect for putting on such an extremely entertaining fight. Deep down I hope this is just a pathetic attempt to garner some attention for yourself. Pathetic.

[Fedor Em]

Vazquez is going to knock him the hell out in the 3rd fight too just watch it.

I favor Izzy by about 70/30 but Marquez can hurt Vasquez badly with that straight right. It will be a war for sure.

[Fedor Em]

Bullshit thread btw you don't go to war like that when you throw fights

[sues2nd]

Is this guy serious???

[Chileno606]

Marquez wouldn't throw a fight when another win adds more to his legacy and supremacy in that division and historically. Theres a number of reasons why he might have lost and I shouldn't even bother because this tread is stupid but here it goes;

1. Maybe he thought he would do the same as before, maybe even easier with the nose factoring into it. Before the fight over 70% thought that Marquez was going to win, why do you think that was? Did he understimate Vasquez?

2. He might have tried to beat Vasquez at infighting because of his confidence in his power and the last fights result. Maybe he couldn't find room to maneuver due to the more effective pressure this time.

3. Vasquez simply looked a lot better this time with his jab and movement. Didn't Roach not train him the last time?

4. Vasquez has serious power and Marquez has only a decent chin. He was hurt throughout the fight.

5. Ever here of simply being the better man on the night?

6. If Marquez threw the fight intentionally explain the referees stoppage, he was fighting til the end.

I dont dispute any of this, and where tha fuck do you retards get that I said Marquez took a dive? Learn how to read you morons. I just said he purposely fought in the wrong style, the style that would either grant him a quick victory or a glorious loss (go to war with stronger guy). Its not far-fetched at all to think they BOTH (AND SHOWTIME) wanted a third fight, if you think its a stupid idea, your naive and dont know fuck about the business that is Boxing. These guys are making peanuts compared to guys in heavier divisions, they need all the good paychecks they can get because at their weightclass they are rare. I should have made all this more clear in the first post, I'll say that much.

[a.arthur.h]

I dont dispute any of this, and where tha fuck do you retards get that I said Marquez took a dive? Learn how to read you morons. I just said he purposely fought in the wrong style, the style that would either grant him a quick victory or a glorious loss (go to war with stronger guy). Its not far-fetched at all to think they BOTH (AND SHOWTIME) wanted a third fight, if you think its a stupid idea, your naive and dont know fuck about the business that is Boxing. These guys are making peanuts compared to guys in heavier divisions, they need all the good paychecks they can get because at their weightclass they are rare.

You thought Marquez could have won. So did I. But give some credit to Vasquez for doing an excellent job in exploiting a flaw in Marquez's style of fighting. If Marquez did this to get a third fight and more money as you say, then why wouldn't he have lost the rematches he had previously had with other fighters? Like the rematches he gave to Mark Johnson or Silence Mabuza?

This was simply a matter of Vasquez capitalizing on an opening which was revealed in the first fight. Marquez left himself open for the left hook and in the second fight Vasquez took major advantage of it. Thats more of a flaw in his training than a motive to gain a third fight.

[Chileno606]

You thought Marquez could have won. So did I. But give some credit to Vasquez for doing an excellent job in exploiting a flaw in Marquez's style of fighting. If Marquez did this to get a third fight and more money as you say, then why wouldn't he have lost the rematches he had previously had with other fighters? Like the rematches he gave to Mark Johnson or Silence Mabuza?

This was simply a matter of Vasquez capitalizing on an opening which was revealed in the first fight. Marquez left himself open for the left hook and in the second fight Vasquez took major advantage of it. Thats more of a flaw in his training than a motive to gain a third fight.

I never said Vaquez didnt deserve credit, I just didnt mention it because its obvious he deserves it. I should have mentioned it though. Those other rematches were not as high profile as Rafa's fights with Vasquez though... As for the the other stuff, I think thats definetly possible. Vasquez simply being the better guy that night by doing the right things at the right time, but nothing we write here is 100% acurate. Some things might be right, but but theres no way to know for sure. If you know Marquez and his trainer, you know how smart they are in fights...everything just didnt look right to me since the begining... Marquez was consistently engaging on the inside where he is at a disadvantage and his corner never told him not to or showed any urgency in telling him to box and stay away. Maybe Rafa just couldnt carry out the winning gameplan, period. Its all theory, so whatever, whats done is done and the third fight should be good.

[Killer_Fish]

I dont dispute any of this, and where tha fuck do you retards get that I said Marquez took a dive? Learn how to read you morons. I just said he purposely fought in the wrong style, the style that would either grant him a quick victory or a glorious loss (go to war with stronger guy). Its not far-fetched at all to think they BOTH (AND SHOWTIME) wanted a third fight, if you think its a stupid idea, your naive and dont know fuck about the business that is Boxing. These guys are making peanuts compared to guys in heavier divisions, they need all the good paychecks they can get because at their weightclass they are rare. I should have made all this more clear in the first post, I'll say that much.

The title give it away. Learn how to type moron, if you don't want to imply "dive".

[pejevan]

Even in the first fight, he was eating a lot of leather and had been KDed. Infact, some had vazquez winning before the ill-fated stoppage via a broken nose.

To insinuate such thing is a disservice to Vazquez. As if Vazquez can only win against Rafa if he threw a fight away! The next thing that would crop up would probably be a conspiracy theory involving the Mafia, Yakuza, CIA.

[jopez707]

There is no way Marquez threw this fight, he was on the cusp of superstardom in the boxing world. He was top 5 pound4pound and had he won I would have had him at number 3 only behind PBF and Pac, now he is faced with a third dangerous fight with a naturally bigger fighter who has hurt and dropped him in 2 consecutive fights. Each of these grueling fights are taking the some of the boxing life out of these fighters. Rafael Marquez is 32, he inst young especially by jr. featherweight standards, how many big fights does he have left?