Something to think about....why Calzaghe can never win with the American boxing media

[China_hand_Joe]

If Joe Calzaghe beats young, prime, undefeated Mikkel Kessler his win isn't that big a deal. Mikkel Kessler isn't a top ten P4P fighter.

If Joe Calzaghe beats top 5 P4P fighter Bernard Hopkins the win isn't that big a deal. Hopkins was too old. This begs the question, why was Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P fighters in the first place?

Due to American double standards and illogicallitism Joe Calzaghe would recieve less credit for beating either Kessler or Hopkins, than Hopkins did for beating Tarver (and losing twice to Taylor for that matter).

[jonesjrp4p1]

funniest poster on eastside....ur the man

[China_hand_Joe]

How is it Hopkins get put into the top 5 P4P fighters for beating Tarver but Calzaghe might not make the top 5 for beating Kessler mate?

[VIP]

Hopkins jumps 2 weight divisions and defeated the recognized light-heavyweight champion, next fight defeats the #3 P4P fighter in Winky Wright. If Calzaghe beats both Kessler and Hopkins, it is logical that he should become a top 3 P4P fighter. Calzaghe has never fought a top P4P fighter, so it hurts him in that regards.

[Decy]

funniest poster on eastside....ur the man

He is correct though.

[China_hand_Joe]

Hopkins jumps 2 weight divisions and defeated the recognized light-heavyweight champion, next fight defeats the #3 P4P fighter in Winky Wright. If Calzaghe beats both Kessler and Hopkins, it is logical that he should become a top 3 P4P fighter. Calzaghe has never fought a top P4P fighter, so it hurts him in that regards.Beating Kessler is far more difficult than beating Hopkins, so once he has beaten Kessler defeating a 43+ year-old Hopkins should mean nothing. Calzaghe should be at number 1, 2 or 3 (depending on how devastating a victory) just for beating Kessler.

[China_hand_Joe]

In fact, RING magazine recently moved Calzaghe down a few places, so they can bump him up again after beating Kessler without needing to put him in the top 4.

[China_hand_Joe]

You need to not only got to America, but have an American promoter too mate. That is the only way to get the capitalist American media on your side.

[BewareofDawg]

But the American Public has officially proclaimed Calzaghe "King of the Contender Runner-ups" after he beat the Pride of Providence and local role model to all mediocerly talented Italian Americans with flat noses....Peter Manfredo.

If it wasn't for his war against this famous t.v. star, America wouldn't even know who Calzxaxgthezegehe was :good

[platnumpapi]

hopkins got screwd in the taylor 1 fight so dont even bring that up.

bhop is old and he is so post to lose and when ever he does we can say he was to old, i mean hell its the truth.hes just that damn good i guess.

i like to see joe fight chad dawson hell id like to see him fight rjj or bhop or taylor.he gets his props from me, but to get my upmostt respect he would have to fight and beat aleast 3 of the guys i named, oh throw winky in there as we,ll.

[BewareofDawg]

You need to not only got to America, but have an American promoter too mate. That is the only way to get the capitalist American media on your side.
If he wanted the American Media on his side, maybe he shouldn't have beaten up poor little Manfredo like that :bart

[VIP]

Beating Kessler is far more difficult than beating Hopkins, so once he has beaten Kessler defeating a 43+ year-old Hopkins should mean nothing. Calzaghe should be at number 1, 2 or 3 (depending on how devastating a victory) just for beating Kessler.

I'm not so sure that beating Kessler is more difficult than beating a 43 year old Nard. Calzaghe will not be higher than 3 even if he blows Kessler out of the water. And that also depends on other results.

And to the question about why Hopkins is top 5 P4P?, it's not only the Tarver win but also the recent Winky win who was #3 P4P.

[BewareofDawg]

Calzaghe needs to stop feeding off Alfonso Gomez left-overs and worry about how he's gonna take Kessler's money-punch.

[China_hand_Joe]

Spinks did as well as Hopkins against Taylor, why isn't he in the P4P lists?

Because he isn't worth as much money as Hopkins from a marketing point of view, that is why.

[BewareofDawg]

Spinks did as well as Hopkins against Taylor, why isn't he in the P4P lists?

Because he isn't worth as much money as Hopkins from a marketing point of view, that is why.
Yeah, because the ring shares in Hopkins PPV profits :nut

[platnumpapi]

hopkins got screwd in the taylor 1 fight so dont even bring that up.

bhop is old and he is so post to lose and when ever he does we can say he was to old, i mean hell its the truth.hes just that damn good i guess.

i like to see joe fight chad dawson hell id like to see him fight rjj or bhop or taylor.he gets his props from me, but to get my upmostt respect he would have to fight and beat aleast 3 of the guys i named, oh throw winky in there as we,ll.

[China_hand_Joe]

Joe Calzaghe would recieve little credit for decimating the small Winky Wright at 168. LHW Hopkins is praised beyond the yonder for doing it at 170.

[BewareofDawg]

Joe Calzaghe would recieve little credit for decimating the small Winky Wright at 168. LHW Hopkins is praised beyond the yonder for doing it at 170.
And how much credit would Hopkins get for decimating Sergio Mora (Manfredo's Daddy)?

[BewareofDawg]

And how much credit would Hopkins get for decimating Sergio Mora (Manfredo's Daddy)?
Or Gomez (Manfredo's other Daddy)?

[China_hand_Joe]

Yeah, because the ring shares in Hopkins PPV profits :nutDon't be so naive mate. American boxing promoters do have influence in the American boxing media.

[thewoo]

I can't speak for the rest of americans but Joe has my respect. If he beats kessler he will have it even more.

[China_hand_Joe]

Joe Calzaghe would not be placed in the top 4 for shutting out Wright.

[China_hand_Joe]

I can't speak for the rest of americans but Joe has my respect. If he beats kessler he will have it even more.Alright there mate, it is comforting to know there are at least some American, not suggestable enough to buy into all of the the American boxing medias poisonedd words.

[China_hand_Joe]

I reckon he would be regarded number two, just behind Mayweather. The deciding factor perhaps skins color.

[PH|LLA]

If Joe Calzaghe beats young, prime, undefeated Mikkel Kessler his win isn't that big a deal. Mikkel Kessler isn't a top ten P4P fighter.

If Joe Calzaghe beats top 5 P4P fighter Bernard Hopkins the win isn't that big a deal. Hopkins was too old. This begs the question, why was Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P fighters in the first place?

Due to American double standards and illogicallitism Joe Calzaghe would recieve less credit for beating either Kessler or Hopkins, than Hopkins did for beating Tarver (and losing twice to Taylor for that matter).
you're being seriously paranoid and talking nonsense.

If Calzaghe beats Kessler he will get major recognition, and if he beats BHop he will also get major recognition. And when he beat Lacy (which was a really good win but nothing compared to beating Hopkins or even Kessler), he STILL got major recognition from the media.

Are you blind?

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe is one of best 5 fighters of all time easily, yet he isn't even regarded top 5 P4P today by many yanks.

[dave82]

Calzaghe is one of best 5 fighters of all time easily, yet he isn't even regarded top 5 P4P today by many yanks.

Bullshit, he is a top p4p fighter today however he is far from being one of the best fighters of all time. Why don't you become a ring girl for Joe's upcoming fight you nuthugger?!

[rendog67]

china you are hilarious keep it up i was in a bad mood and you have cheered me right up.

you are truly an east side guru. thank you

[Napoleon]

If Joe Calzaghe beats young, prime, undefeated Mikkel Kessler his win isn't that big a deal. Mikkel Kessler isn't a top ten P4P fighter.

If Joe Calzaghe beats top 5 P4P fighter Bernard Hopkins the win isn't that big a deal. Hopkins was too old. This begs the question, why was Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P fighters in the first place?

Due to American double standards and illogicallitism Joe Calzaghe would recieve less credit for beating either Kessler or Hopkins, than Hopkins did for beating Tarver (and losing twice to Taylor for that matter).

But Calzaghe hasn't beat neither of the guys.

[China_hand_Joe]

But Calzaghe hasn't beat neither of the guys.We are talking hypothetically as the case study of "Calzaghe vs Lacy: the aftermath" has previously been discussed in great depth.

[dodong]

I don't understand why does JC in your eyes needs to win the American boxing media. He seems to have the respect from all of the English fans. Hell, almost all of his fights are in England anyway and he drew 35,000 from his last fight. Relax, Joe is at peace!

[Carlos Primera]

If Joe Calzaghe beats young, prime, undefeated Mikkel Kessler his win isn't that big a deal. Mikkel Kessler isn't a top ten P4P fighter.

If Joe Calzaghe beats top 5 P4P fighter Bernard Hopkins the win isn't that big a deal. Hopkins was too old. This begs the question, why was Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P fighters in the first place?

Due to American double standards and illogicallitism Joe Calzaghe would recieve less credit for beating either Kessler or Hopkins, than Hopkins did for beating Tarver (and losing twice to Taylor for that matter).
i see you got a new key board china:lol:

[yesihavearm]

It comes down to this, the Americans simply dont want to recognise that someone who isnt American is the best of all time in their division. Joe Cazlaghe is the best SMW in history, yet you get idiots saying its RJJ who only fought 7 fights in the division and only 1 of them was against quality opposition.

The Americans dont recognise Calzaghe for the following,

Didnt fight Prime RJJ
Didnt fight Prime B-Hop
Didnt fight Prime Sven Ottke
Didnt fight Prime DM

Yet what the Americans dont understand is

RJJ didnt want to fight Joe because Joe wasnt a big enough name, he actually said that.

A fight with B-Hop was about to be signed and sealed then B-Hop upped his demands to an unrealistic amount. Against thats actually proven, and its not the first time he's done it, why do you think the rematch with RJJ never happened.

A fight with Ottke never happened despite it being offered to Sven but Sven wouldnt leave Germany, not to say that Calzaghe's blameless for only leaving the UK twice.

What they need to get into their thick heads, is, besides those 4 fighters (which BTW only Sven-Ottke was actually in Joe's divison. B-hop was Middle, and RJJ and DM were Light-Heavy at the time of Joe's title reign) Joe fought the BEST the divison had to offer - Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Sheika ASWELL as the best American SMW's Brewer etc...and he beat every single one of them.

It's not Joe's fault that RJJ is only willing to accept a fight recently, now that he's past his best. Joe would rape RJJ now. I also think Joe would beat B-hop now but in a close 50/50 pick-em fight.

Calzaghe should beat Kessler.
Then Hopkins.
Then Taylor/Pavlik, which i think will be Taylor.

Move up to Light-Heavy and fight whoever's considered the Light-Heavy king at the time. That will leave him at 47-0 and a 2 divison champion, aswell as being the best SMW of all time. He could even go for 3 more fights and go for Marciano's record, possibly fight RJJ just to shut people up ?

Joe is the real deal. End of.

[China_hand_Joe]

Didnt fight Prime RJJ
Didnt fight Prime B-Hop
Didnt fight Prime Sven Ottke
Didnt fight Prime DM


This fight was never going to be feasibly made, through no fault of either fighter.

Hopkins blantently ducked Calzaghe years ago by agreeing to sign, then uping his demands to silly numbers. Of course he calls Calzaghe out now he is busy fighting Kessler in November.

I don't even feel the need to comment on Ottke, the man had nightmares about Calzaghe.

DM I don't recall there ever being a lot of people calling for this fight, but it may have been the only one you could possibly make.



edit:basically what the post above says

[Amsterdam]

It comes down to this, the Americans simply dont want to recognise that someone who isnt American is the best of all time in their division. Joe Cazlaghe is the best SMW in history, yet you get idiots saying its RJJ who only fought 7 fights in the division and only 1 of them was against quality opposition.

The Americans dont recognise Calzaghe for the following,

Didnt fight Prime RJJ
Didnt fight Prime B-Hop
Didnt fight Prime Sven Ottke
Didnt fight Prime DM

Yet what the Americans dont understand is

RJJ didnt want to fight Joe because Joe wasnt a big enough name, he actually said that.

A fight with B-Hop was about to be signed and sealed then B-Hop upped his demands to an unrealistic amount. Against thats actually proven, and its not the first time he's done it, why do you think the rematch with RJJ never happened.

A fight with Ottke never happened despite it being offered to Sven but Sven wouldnt leave Germany, not to say that Calzaghe's blameless for only leaving the UK twice.

What they need to get into their thick heads, is, besides those 4 fighters (which BTW only Sven-Ottke was actually in Joe's divison. B-hop was Middle, and RJJ and DM were Light-Heavy at the time of Joe's title reign) Joe fought the BEST the divison had to offer - Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Sheika ASWELL as the best American SMW's Brewer etc...and he beat every single one of them.

It's not Joe's fault that RJJ is only willing to accept a fight recently, now that he's past his best. Joe would rape RJJ now. I also think Joe would beat B-hop now but in a close 50/50 pick-em fight.

Calzaghe should beat Kessler.
Then Hopkins.
Then Taylor/Pavlik, which i think will be Taylor.

Move up to Light-Heavy and fight whoever's considered the Light-Heavy king at the time. That will leave him at 47-0 and a 2 divison champion, aswell as being the best SMW of all time. He could even go for 3 more fights and go for Marciano's record, possibly fight RJJ just to shut people up ?

Joe is the real deal. End of.

Great post, only two factors that I feel you're off base about -

First of all, don't give Ottke even the slightest benefit of the doubt, he clearly ducked Calzaghe and was a joke of a champion to begin with. Calzaghe and ****** offered TWICE to go to Germany and for Ottke to be making 75/25 in terms of the purse and it would have been an easy wipe out win for Calzaghe, the stipulation was to get totally neutral judges.... which Ottke has four very blatant robbery wins on his record to keep his belt, namely Reid, Johnson and Brewer 1.

Second, Hopkins/Calzaghe at their peaks was a good competitive fight, Hopkins cannot fire off his overhand right like he used to now, his age is showing and he'd be easily outworked. 118-108 type of fight really, it's not 50/50.

[pioterbezkitu]

Hopkins' win over Tarver is really overrated, Tarver almost got beat by Elvin Muriqi

[Amsterdam]

Hopkins' win over Tarver is really overrated, Tarver almost got beat be Elvin Muriqi

I agree with this. Hopkins is showing his age.

[China_hand_Joe]

Hopkins' win over Tarver is really overrated, Tarver almost got beat by Elvin Muriqi Here a good one for you.

Hopkins recieved more credit for beating Tarver than Kessler will for beating Calzaghe.

[Smazz20]

Here a good one for you.

Hopkins recieved more credit for beating Tarver than Kessler will for beating Calzaghe.

Or Calzaghe for beating Kessler:D

[China_hand_Joe]

Come November 3rd the anti-euorpean American boxing media conspiracy will be exposed. I don't even care about the result of the fight.

[Decebal]

Come November 3rd the anti-euorpean American boxing media conspiracy will be exposed. I don't even care about the result of the fight.

Times are changing and the result is more important than winning this argument. Objective fans know what Joe is really like as a man.