Kessler fans are dellusional

[yesihavearm]

Over the last few days i've seen this sentence or something roughly the same being posted over the forums by various Mikkel Kessler fans.

"Kessler will stop Calzaghe within 6 rounds, easy win for Kessler"



Based on what ? Kessler's generic win over a very-timid Anthony Mundine ? Who happens to be his best opponent by about a MILLION miles. Or have you based that on his COMPLETE lack of adaptability and a style that is TAILOR MADE for Calzaghe.

Kessler's very rigid, stands very upright and leads in with an admittedly very strong jab and then a very good straight right hand which indeed has power. But whats that going to do when the person in front of you is so much faster and will swarm and shoot off with 3 punches before you can let even 1 off ?

The Lacy fight showed me that fighting on the inside, Calzaghe is virtually unbeatable. In no way is Kessler going to even attempt that. So whats he going to do then ? Stay on the outside behind his jab for the whole fight ? Ok...he could do that, but Kessler got tagged several times hard by Mundine in the early rounds, whats he going to do against someone who's much faster, more experienced and has pintpoint accuracy punches comming in at speed - not only for the first 3 rounds like Mundine but can do it all fight.

If you want a small demonstration of what Kessler's style vs Calzaghe's will be then go watch Calzaghe vs Mario Veit fights. Kessler and Veit are almost identical style wise, granted Kessler does his stuff a lot better but at the end of the same day, better he may be, he's still doing the same stuff.

I understand you guys might be fans of kessler and all that, thats fine. But use logic, and not your heart. I wanted Oscar to beat PBF so much, but back of my mind was telling me otherwise. Do the same thing, and keep your money from the bookies.

[startown81]

Over the last few days i've seen this sentence or something roughly the same being posted over the forums by various Mikkel Kessler fans.

"Kessler will stop Calzaghe within 6 rounds, easy win for Kessler"



Based on what ? Kessler's generic win over a very-timid Anthony Mundine ? Who happens to be his best opponent by about a MILLION miles. Or have you based that on his COMPLETE lack of adaptability and a style that is TAILOR MADE for Calzaghe.

Kessler's very rigid, stands very upright and leads in with an admittedly very strong jab and then a very good straight right hand which indeed has power. But whats that going to do when the person in front of you is so much faster and will swarm and shoot off with 3 punches before you can let even 1 off ?

The Lacy fight showed me that fighting on the inside, Calzaghe is virtually unbeatable. In no way is Kessler going to even attempt that. So whats he going to do then ? Stay on the outside behind his jab for the whole fight ? Ok...he could do that, but Kessler got tagged several times hard by Mundine in the early rounds, whats he going to do against someone who's much faster, more experienced and has pintpoint accuracy punches comming in at speed - not only for the first 3 rounds like Mundine but can do it all fight.

If you want a small demonstration of what Kessler's style vs Calzaghe's will be then go watch Calzaghe vs Mario Veit fights. Kessler and Veit are almost identical style wise, granted Kessler does his stuff a lot better but at the end of the same day, better he may be, he's still doing the same stuff.

I understand you guys might be fans of kessler and all that, thats fine. But use logic, and not your heart. I wanted Oscar to beat PBF so much, but back of my mind was telling me otherwise. Do the same thing, and keep your money from the bookies.
I think Calzaghe wins a decision. To quick and awkward for Kessler. As for a betting perspective i would bet on this fight but im worried about Calzaghes hand injuries. If he hurts it early in the fight Kessler may end up with the win.

[Jose FM]

Over the last few days i've seen this sentence or something roughly the same being posted over the forums by various Mikkel Kessler fans.

"Kessler will stop Calzaghe within 6 rounds, easy win for Kessler"



[QUOTE=yesihavearm]Based on what ? Kessler's generic win over a very-timid Anthony Mundine ? Who happens to be his best opponent by about a MILLION miles. Or have you based that on his COMPLETE lack of adaptability and a style that is TAILOR MADE for Calzaghe.
Ok, First of all Mundine is a better and more solid opponent than Jeff Lacy who is Calzaghe best opponent. I want you to explain to me how exactly is Kesslers Boxer/Puncher style is Tailor made for Calzaghe cause according to you he is unbeatable period, which is just dilusional.
Kessler's very rigid, stands very upright and leads in with an admittedly very strong jab and then a very good straight right hand which indeed has power. But whats that going to do when the person in front of you is so much faster and will swarm and shoot off with 3 punches before you can let even 1 off ?
No hes not rigid, he displays a calm demeanor, and in the Mundine fight which you completely discredit, Kessler showed a lot of heart and skill by avioding Mundines pressure. Oh and BTW, Jab kills speed if you didnt know!
The Lacy fight showed me that fighting on the inside, Calzaghe is virtually unbeatable. In no way is Kessler going to even attempt that. So whats he going to do then ? Stay on the outside behind his jab for the whole fight ? Ok...he could do that, but Kessler got tagged several times hard by Mundine in the early rounds, whats he going to do against someone who's much faster, more experienced and has pintpoint accuracy punches comming in at speed - not only for the first 3 rounds like Mundine but can do it all fight.
So youre basing a Calzaghe victory over hype job Lacy, ok i see your argument is completely worthless now.
If you want a small demonstration of what Kessler's style vs Calzaghe's will be then go watch Calzaghe vs Mario Veit fights. Kessler and Veit are almost identical style wise, granted Kessler does his stuff a lot better but at the end of the same day, better he may be, he's still doing the same stuff.
Kessler is no Mario Viet. And even you yourself contradict your statement by saying Kessler does everything better!
I understand you guys might be fans of kessler and all that, thats fine. But use logic, and not your heart. I wanted Oscar to beat PBF so much, but back of my mind was telling me otherwise. Do the same thing, and keep your money from the bookies.
Oscar/Floyd, was a totally different fight than what this will be.:deal

[Jose FM]

Over the last few days i've seen this sentence or something roughly the same being posted over the forums by various Mikkel Kessler fans.

"Kessler will stop Calzaghe within 6 rounds, easy win for Kessler"

I wont go as far to say he will stop him in 6 but will say Kessler UD.

Based on what ? Kessler's generic win over a very-timid Anthony Mundine ? Who happens to be his best opponent by about a MILLION miles. Or have you based that on his COMPLETE lack of adaptability and a style that is TAILOR MADE for Calzaghe.
Ok, First of all Mundine is a better and more solid opponent than Jeff Lacy who is Calzaghe best opponent. I want you to explain to me how exactly is Kesslers Boxer/Puncher style is Tailor made for Calzaghe cause according to you he is unbeatable period, which is just dilusional.
Kessler's very rigid, stands very upright and leads in with an admittedly very strong jab and then a very good straight right hand which indeed has power. But whats that going to do when the person in front of you is so much faster and will swarm and shoot off with 3 punches before you can let even 1 off ?
No hes not rigid, he displays a calm demeanor, and in the Mundine fight which you completely discredit, Kessler showed a lot of heart and skill by avioding Mundines pressure. Oh and BTW, Jab kills speed if you didnt know!
The Lacy fight showed me that fighting on the inside, Calzaghe is virtually unbeatable. In no way is Kessler going to even attempt that. So whats he going to do then ? Stay on the outside behind his jab for the whole fight ? Ok...he could do that, but Kessler got tagged several times hard by Mundine in the early rounds, whats he going to do against someone who's much faster, more experienced and has pintpoint accuracy punches comming in at speed - not only for the first 3 rounds like Mundine but can do it all fight.
So youre basing a Calzaghe victory over hype job Lacy, ok i see your argument is completely worthless now.
If you want a small demonstration of what Kessler's style vs Calzaghe's will be then go watch Calzaghe vs Mario Veit fights. Kessler and Veit are almost identical style wise, granted Kessler does his stuff a lot better but at the end of the same day, better he may be, he's still doing the same stuff.
Kessler is no Mario Viet. And even you yourself contradict your statement by saying Kessler does everything better!
I understand you guys might be fans of kessler and all that, thats fine. But use logic, and not your heart. I wanted Oscar to beat PBF so much, but back of my mind was telling me otherwise. Do the same thing, and keep your money from the bookies.
Oscar/Floyd, was a totally different fight than what this will be.:deal

[yesihavearm]

Oh dear oh dear. Where do I start.

Ok, First of all Mundine is a better and more solid opponent than Jeff Lacy who is Calzaghe best opponent. I want you to explain to me how exactly is Kesslers Boxer/Puncher style is Tailor made for Calzaghe cause according to you he is unbeatable period, which is just dilusional.

Is he really ? Pre-Calzaghe fight Marvin Hagler said that Jeff Lacy deserved to be in the top5 PvP which was echo'd by the majority of the people on this forum. You seem to be discrediting Lacy in order to build up Mundine and indeed Kessler, which is what most other Kessler fans seem to do aswell. Fact is, Lacy is still a threat in the SMW division. He's a very dangerous opponent with greater power and knockout ability than either Calzaghe or Kessler. He was just badly matched against Joe and now everyone thinks he was just another C-level fighter. Mundine's lost everytime he's stepped up, he even got knocked out by feather-fisted Sven Ottke who lets be honest, Robin Reid won against, who Jeff Lacy knocked out. You say Mundine's a more credible opponent than Lacy, I bet my last dollars that if Lacy hadnt fought Calzaghe you definatly would not be saying that, as would the majority on this forum. Everyone "claims" to have said that Lacy would get schooled in the Calzaghe match, absolute bullshit. Lacy was the favourite by far.

Dont put words into my mouth, I have a typewriter for that. I never said that Calzaghe is unbeatable period. Find me where I said that. What I said was "
The Lacy fight showed me that fighting on the inside, Calzaghe is virtually unbeatable" . Yeah on the inside I dont think anyone from 175lbs down can compete with him, as I said, the Lacy fight proved that. It wasnt because Lacy wasnt a worthy opponent, Joe was just too fast, too savy and too experienced and it showed.

Kessler's style IS made for Calzaghe. Here's exactly why.

A. Style:

Kessler fights nearly exactly the same in all of his fights, andrade mundine lucas siaca beyer etc....Nearly identical. Kessler relies on his consistant style that he's familier with to keep his opponents away from him.

Kessler uses his jab to keep his opponents away from him, watch rounds 1 and 2 of mundine, and most of the Beyer fight - Kessler is quite often open after the jab. I've already said Mundine is a seriously average fights, and Beyer was never good enough to capitalise on that. And thats just against Right-handed fighters, not like an awkward southpaw like Joe. After Kessler delivers a jab he likes to lead with a straight right hand. He does this nearly everytime (again consistant) . But it's not the most unpredictable right hand. and was telegraphed consistantly by a slow Beyer, sometimes by Mundine and even by Andrade. Calzaghe has the speed and experience to capitalise on this no end. Let's talk about stamina. As we know Kessler tires down the straight in fights (in both andrade and mundine). We also know that Calzaghe has tremendous stamina (said himself he could easily be a middle-distance runner) and can through flurries for a FULL 12 rounds no problems at all. Kessler will not be able to keep up with Calzaghe at Calzaghe's pace over 12 rounds, thats not just me saying that, thats the way it is. So to combat that Kessler would have to work to the body....which he's never done before. Kessler is not a body puncher so Calzaghe's stamina will still be there.


B. Adaptability

As established before, Kessler does not have a multi-dimensional fight game. He's not shown the ability to adapt to different styles, hasnt changed the way he's boxed, and certainly hasnt shown it against someone who controls fights like Calzaghe does. Joe's going to make Kessler fight a match that he's never had to before, and Kessler has not been in the ring with anyone with the footwork, ring generalship or pressure fighting skills of Calzaghe. Kessler's going to have to do something he's never done before and adapt (which he's never shown) to someone who's not only his best opponent by far, but would in no doubt, beat every single person on Kessler's resume easily. Calzaghe has an all round game, can fight on the inside or outside, and has proved in the past that he can neutralise very good jabs (Reid/Veit) which is Kesslers best weapon.


C. Experience

Look at Calzaghe's experience, 20odd defences of his world title beating 7 former world champions and undefeated boxers. Kessler has not beaten anyone who already didnt have multiple losses on their record. Calzaghe's best opponents - Eubank, Reid, Lacy are easily a match for anyone on Kessler's record.

Calzaghe's been on the back rope, been in control, been through tough times. He knows how to win fights, and if he gets hurt, he has the will and spirit to come back. You cant say that of Kessler, he simply hasnt had the ring experience and lacks the knowledge of fighting that Joe has. Kessler isnt going to knock Joe out, he's been in with much harder punchers and has a 100% certified chin. So thats the knockout gone, which means Kessler is going to have to outbox Calzaghe over 12 rounds.


So youre basing a Calzaghe victory over hype job Lacy, ok i see your argument is completely worthless now.

AGAIN your putting words into my mouth. When did I say im basing a joe victory on a win over lacy ? What I said was Joe showed the necessary skill that he's easily the better fighter on the inside. Calzaghe is a master of hitting without getting hit. Now we know that Kessler is no where near as fast as Calzaghe..thats proven, he might be faster than Lacy but he's still going to be behind when all the punches have been counted. Calzaghe can punch and be gone before Kessler thrown. Another disadvantage.

Hype job Lacy haha. It's a pretty similar situation now isnt it ? A large group of people hyping up a fighter who has never fought elite compeition. Does that mean your arguement is completly worthless aswell ? Dont talk rubbish, Lacy is a fighter of world quality, so is Kessler. Dont put down other fighters just to build yours up. And before you mention Lacy's last fight, he was seriously injured from nearly the word go.


Kessler is no Mario Viet. And even you yourself contradict your statement by saying Kessler does everything better!

God your getting annoying. I said that Veit's style is very similar to Kessler's....which is is. I also said he does the SAME STUFF BETTER. Yeah ? The same stuff. It doesnt matter if he does it a million times better, it's still the same style, and it's still the same style that's talior made for Calzaghe, and it's still the same style that Joe's going to beat.

Oscar/Floyd, was a totally different fight than what this will be


When did I say it would be the same ? I was just using an example of wanting one fighter to win over another, even if I thought the one I didnt want to win was more likely to. I was advising Kessler fans, nothing against the majority of them just the stupid ones, to not bet their money because logic says Calzaghe will win. Just as logic said Floyd was going to win. Just as logic says that a heavyweight would beat a flyweight.


Calzaghe for a 116/117/118 win UD

[thewoo]

Kessler is the flavor of the month right now. He is being really hyped because he has looked so dominant against everyone he has faced. We will soon see if he lives up to the hype.

I just hope if he does win, he gets his full credit and people don't try to say that Joe was faded.

[yesihavearm]

Kessler is the flavor of the month right now. He is being really hyped because he has looked so dominant against everyone he has faced. We will soon see if he lives up to the hype.

I just hope if he does win, he gets his full credit and people don't try to say that Joe was faded.


This Kessler bandwagon literally is getting out of hand now, really cant wait till November when it gets shut the hell down.

If Kessler wins he'll get his dues, certainly. Only certain Yanks will deny him that.

[yesihavearm]

Aw man same things happened again. You reply to a Kessler fan and once you disprove them, they dont reply back. sadface :(

[BigReg]

Aw man same things happened again. You reply to a Kessler fan and once you disprove them, they dont reply back. sadface :(

Try shortining your posts. The longer the post, the less likely people are to read it.

[KO Boxing]

Over the last few days i've seen this sentence or something roughly the same being posted over the forums by various Mikkel Kessler fans.

"Kessler will stop Calzaghe within 6 rounds, easy win for Kessler"



Based on what ? Kessler's generic win over a very-timid Anthony Mundine ? Who happens to be his best opponent by about a MILLION miles. Or have you based that on his COMPLETE lack of adaptability and a style that is TAILOR MADE for Calzaghe.

Kessler's very rigid, stands very upright and leads in with an admittedly very strong jab and then a very good straight right hand which indeed has power. But whats that going to do when the person in front of you is so much faster and will swarm and shoot off with 3 punches before you can let even 1 off ?

The Lacy fight showed me that fighting on the inside, Calzaghe is virtually unbeatable. In no way is Kessler going to even attempt that. So whats he going to do then ? Stay on the outside behind his jab for the whole fight ? Ok...he could do that, but Kessler got tagged several times hard by Mundine in the early rounds, whats he going to do against someone who's much faster, more experienced and has pintpoint accuracy punches comming in at speed - not only for the first 3 rounds like Mundine but can do it all fight.

If you want a small demonstration of what Kessler's style vs Calzaghe's will be then go watch Calzaghe vs Mario Veit fights. Kessler and Veit are almost identical style wise, granted Kessler does his stuff a lot better but at the end of the same day, better he may be, he's still doing the same stuff.

I understand you guys might be fans of kessler and all that, thats fine. But use logic, and not your heart. I wanted Oscar to beat PBF so much, but back of my mind was telling me otherwise. Do the same thing, and keep your money from the bookies.
These damn Brits! :patsch

50/50 fight.