Why the support for Fagin?

[Infern0]

In all seriousness although Khan lost one fight, what has fagin done to deserve an army of nuthuggers? I'll be glad when Khan exposes Fagin for the classless fighter he is and we never have to hear his ridiculous name again!

[saintsmike]

Because people hate Khan, and always have hated Khan because they see him as a road raged maniac whose cocky blah blah blah.

I don't get why Khan gets called a China chinned joke whilst he someone like Enzo who got stached by a bum early on his career and fights jokes non-stop for his useless WBO belt gets support.

Lets face it some people just don't wanna see Khan succeed. I like him personally doesn't bother me if he's got a weak chin, he's good fun to watch, he's never in a boring fight and has great offensive skills. Hey and good heart too, boxing is about Knockouts and with Khan you know someone is usually gonna get KO'd or outclassed or in a good scrap or you get to see Khan KO'd it's all good.

[steelem]

lets face it Fagan is gonna get beat up badly - this is a joke fight by all means - im no khan fan but i know how frank ****** works - i cant see fagan lasting 3 rounds - khan will come out with a big win & ****** & the ppv team will have their champagne glasses in the air .

[SouthpawSlayer]

a lot of people on here find him arrogant and whenyou think someone is arrogant its automatic hate, thats just the way it goes
come on oisin man

[steelem]

ye i would love fagan to win - has jeff thomas gave his prediction on this??

[alba]

In all seriousness although Khan lost one fight, what has fagin done to deserve an army of nuthuggers? I'll be glad when Khan exposes Fagin for the classless fighter he is and we never have to hear his ridiculous name again!

why not the support for Fagin,why cant we back him ?

[icemax]

One of Fagans standout wins was against Andrew Hartley, the destroyer of Chalie Zelenoff...that is the level that Fagan seems to be operating at. Joke fight.

[brown bomber]

I think khan will have too much for him and I don't think he's got the power to get khan out of their, I know how khans approaching the fight, and tactic wise he's spot on, fagan is a tough and proud chap though and will to himself proud. I expect a khan stoppage but hope for a fagan victory.

[brown bomber]

inferno used to be an ok poster now he has joined the rest of the troll numbskulls just trying to piss people off.

[D-MAC]

Because people hate Khan, and always have hated Khan because they see him as a road raged maniac whose cocky blah blah blah.

I don't get why Khan gets called a China chinned joke whilst he someone like Enzo who got stached by a bum early on his career and fights jokes non-stop for his useless WBO belt gets support.

Lets face it some people just don't wanna see Khan succeed. I like him personally doesn't bother me if he's got a weak chin, he's good fun to watch, he's never in a boring fight and has great offensive skills. Hey and good heart too, boxing is about Knockouts and with Khan you know someone is usually gonna get KO'd or outclassed or in a good scrap or you get to see Khan KO'd it's all good.

:huh

Maybe to Joe Public, but not to real boxing fans; why don't you toddle off back to Old Trafford and eat your prawn sandwiches.

As to the boxer himself, well Khan is generally disliked because he is an arrogant cock who has a propensity to talk absolute nonsense. Ally this with the fact that ****** and the TV boys have hyped him off the planet and you have your reason why not many are fond of him.

Fighter hyping himself + Promoter & TV hyping fighter = fighter that knowledgeable fans generally dislike.

Real fight fans don't like being fucked about by the scum that run the business, and don't like being fed shit that they know isn't true.

I would still back him to beat Fagan easily enough, but that doesn't mean that I want him to win.

[zulander]

I really dont mind who wins its an interesting fight on some levels. For Khan its almost a case of if he wins and shows some level of improvement it doesnt matter if he goes the distance if he KO's fagan early making the same mistakes its time to worry..

I think Khans over hyping has turned people off him. IF he had still bin on ITV saying i want to be the best in a few years etc. then no one would have a problem with it. But this silly deal with sky (has no one learned from audley getting mega bucks for nowt) has put his and the viewing publics expectations thru the roof and its back fired. Saying i want Pac, Hatton in a year is a joke he wont be ready for either for years yet. De Gale could go the same way very easyily

[dwilson]

I like Fagan. He seems a decent guy and a good fighter in the long line of tough Irish blokes.

Khan is a cunt.

[Grant1]

I think khan will have too much for him and I don't think he's got the power to get khan out of their, I know how khans approaching the fight, and tactic wise he's spot on, fagan is a tough and proud chap though and will to himself proud. I expect a khan stoppage but hope for a fagan victory.

How did your fight with Fagan go Jeff?

Do you think he has anything that can Khan particular trouble?

Hope the training is going well :good

[Govanmauler]

I like Fagan. He seems a decent guy and a good fighter in the long line of tough Irish blokes.

Khan is a cunt.


quality comedy timing :lol:

[brown bomber]

How did your fight with Fagan go Jeff?

Do you think he has anything that can Khan particular trouble?

Hope the training is going well :good He was very fit but didn't punch too hard. I don't see how he can win unless he can drag Khan into a brawl and even then theres little to suggest Khan is going to struggle due to fitness. I'm not slagging him, he's a great chap and he's proved me wrong before pushing Spadafora very close. :good

I know for a FACT the changes Khan has made. There unimpressive to say the least and these 'refinements' are miniscule in comparison to what Hatton achieved last week and whats required for Khan to ever be a force at world class. Fighters with questionable punch resistance box like Tito Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Jamie Moore, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Mike Brodie (not saying these chaps are chinny- obviously but they adopt a nice tight, tidy guard) Khan has not improved his guard. He hasn't developed his in fighting and he remains devil at long range, vulnerable at middle distance and inept on the inside. His hands are not protecting his chin or his head when he throws and the Khan defence is 'entirely' about movement and jusgement of distance, depth perception- something that goes to pieces when your shaken. A lot has been made of the 22 rounds of sparring with Pacman. The nothing at all has been mentioned about his MASOOF headguard- has no-one noticed the size of the customised item that adourns his head? It looks like he's boxing with a Daewoo Matiz on his shoulders. I think Khan has immense potential, even with the problems that still seem to be glaringly unrectified. The whole build up to this fight has been about improving and repairing Khans psyche (sparring with Pacman, attempting to blow out Gomez so the back patters could say 'look how much you've improved') but thats not what Khan needs, he needs the Oliver Harrison back to basics, learn to infight, get the guard high approach that saw him impress early in his career.

I've not heard much from Oisin in his preperation for this. He rightly has locked himself away from any media destraction and I'll be interested to know what they have worked on and what strategy they have. Its safe to say that Fagan is capable of landing the same shots that Limmond and Gomez managed, they weren't even clean and appeared to land high on his skull. He certainly seems to be susceptable to shots to this area. The Watson punch that floored him landed high too.

Boxing isn't magic its about A-Offence and B- Defence and the effectiveness at which you can excersise yourself in these 'stances'. Until Khan improves his defence and in fighting offence he remains vulnerable and unlikely to figure beyond a lucky belt wearer. Fagan may land the shots to get khan in trouble but the chances are Khans intelligence of movement and phenominal speed will be a little too much for the Irish champion but after the shocker last time who knows.

Safest bet seems a Khan stoppage.

[Decebal]

He was very fit but didn't punch too hard. I don't see how he can win unless he can drag Khan into a brawl and even then theres little to suggest Khan is going to struggle due to fitness. I'm not slagging him, he's a great chap and he's proved me wrong before pushing Spadafora very close. :good

I know for a FACT the changes Khan has made. There unimpressive to say the least and these 'refinements' are miniscule in comparison to what Hatton achieved last week and whats required for Khan to ever be a force at world class. Fighters with questionable punch resistance box like Tito Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Jamie Moore, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Mike Brodie (not saying these chaps are chinny- obviously but they adopt a nice tight, tidy guard) Khan has not improved his guard. He hasn't developed his in fighting and he remains devil at long range, vulnerable at middle distance and inept on the inside. His hands are not protecting his chin or his head when he throws and the Khan defence is 'entirely' about movement and jusgement of distance, depth perception- something that goes to pieces when your shaken. A lot has been made of the 22 rounds of sparring with Pacman. The nothing at all has been mentioned about his MASOOF headguard- has no-one noticed the size of the customised item that adourns his head? It looks like he's boxing with a Daewoo Matiz on his shoulders. I think Khan has immense potential, even with the problems that still seem to be glaringly unrectified. The whole build up to this fight has been about improving and repairing Khans psyche (sparring with Pacman, attempting to blow out Gomez so the back patters could say 'look how much you've improved') but thats not what Khan needs, he needs the Oliver Harrison back to basics, learn to infight, get the guard high approach that saw him impress early in his career.

I've not heard much from Oisin in his preperation for this. He rightly has locked himself away from any media destraction and I'll be interested to know what they have worked on and what strategy they have. Its safe to say that Fagan is capable of landing the same shots that Limmond and Gomez managed, they weren't even clean and appeared to land high on his skull. He certainly seems to be susceptable to shots to this area. The Watson punch that floored him landed high too.

Boxing isn't magic its about A-Offence and B- Defence and the effectiveness at which you can excersise yourself in these 'stances'. Until Khan improves his defence and in fighting offence he remains vulnerable and unlikely to figure beyond a lucky belt wearer. Fagan may land the shots to get khan in trouble but the chances are Khans intelligence of movement and phenominal speed will be a little too much for the Irish champion but after the shocker last time who knows.

Safest bet seems a Khan stoppage.

Great post, Jeff!:good

Khan needs to get a proper trainer to sort him out.

[Grant1]

He was very fit but didn't punch too hard. I don't see how he can win unless he can drag Khan into a brawl and even then theres little to suggest Khan is going to struggle due to fitness. I'm not slagging him, he's a great chap and he's proved me wrong before pushing Spadafora very close. :good

I know for a FACT the changes Khan has made. There unimpressive to say the least and these 'refinements' are miniscule in comparison to what Hatton achieved last week and whats required for Khan to ever be a force at world class. Fighters with questionable punch resistance box like Tito Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Jamie Moore, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Mike Brodie (not saying these chaps are chinny- obviously but they adopt a nice tight, tidy guard) Khan has not improved his guard. He hasn't developed his in fighting and he remains devil at long range, vulnerable at middle distance and inept on the inside. His hands are not protecting his chin or his head when he throws and the Khan defence is 'entirely' about movement and jusgement of distance, depth perception- something that goes to pieces when your shaken. A lot has been made of the 22 rounds of sparring with Pacman. The nothing at all has been mentioned about his MASOOF headguard- has no-one noticed the size of the customised item that adourns his head? It looks like he's boxing with a Daewoo Matiz on his shoulders. I think Khan has immense potential, even with the problems that still seem to be glaringly unrectified. The whole build up to this fight has been about improving and repairing Khans psyche (sparring with Pacman, attempting to blow out Gomez so the back patters could say 'look how much you've improved') but thats not what Khan needs, he needs the Oliver Harrison back to basics, learn to infight, get the guard high approach that saw him impress early in his career.

I've not heard much from Oisin in his preperation for this. He rightly has locked himself away from any media destraction and I'll be interested to know what they have worked on and what strategy they have. Its safe to say that Fagan is capable of landing the same shots that Limmond and Gomez managed, they weren't even clean and appeared to land high on his skull. He certainly seems to be susceptable to shots to this area. The Watson punch that floored him landed high too.

Boxing isn't magic its about A-Offence and B- Defence and the effectiveness at which you can excersise yourself in these 'stances'. Until Khan improves his defence and in fighting offence he remains vulnerable and unlikely to figure beyond a lucky belt wearer. Fagan may land the shots to get khan in trouble but the chances are Khans intelligence of movement and phenominal speed will be a little too much for the Irish champion but after the shocker last time who knows.

Safest bet seems a Khan stoppage.

Top post mate, thanks for the info :good

[doug.ie]

He was very fit but didn't punch too hard. I don't see how he can win unless he can drag Khan into a brawl and even then theres little to suggest Khan is going to struggle due to fitness. I'm not slagging him, he's a great chap and he's proved me wrong before pushing Spadafora very close. :good

I know for a FACT the changes Khan has made. There unimpressive to say the least and these 'refinements' are miniscule in comparison to what Hatton achieved last week and whats required for Khan to ever be a force at world class. Fighters with questionable punch resistance box like Tito Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Jamie Moore, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey, Mike Brodie (not saying these chaps are chinny- obviously but they adopt a nice tight, tidy guard) Khan has not improved his guard. He hasn't developed his in fighting and he remains devil at long range, vulnerable at middle distance and inept on the inside. His hands are not protecting his chin or his head when he throws and the Khan defence is 'entirely' about movement and jusgement of distance, depth perception- something that goes to pieces when your shaken. A lot has been made of the 22 rounds of sparring with Pacman. The nothing at all has been mentioned about his MASOOF headguard- has no-one noticed the size of the customised item that adourns his head? It looks like he's boxing with a Daewoo Matiz on his shoulders. I think Khan has immense potential, even with the problems that still seem to be glaringly unrectified. The whole build up to this fight has been about improving and repairing Khans psyche (sparring with Pacman, attempting to blow out Gomez so the back patters could say 'look how much you've improved') but thats not what Khan needs, he needs the Oliver Harrison back to basics, learn to infight, get the guard high approach that saw him impress early in his career.

I've not heard much from Oisin in his preperation for this. He rightly has locked himself away from any media destraction and I'll be interested to know what they have worked on and what strategy they have. Its safe to say that Fagan is capable of landing the same shots that Limmond and Gomez managed, they weren't even clean and appeared to land high on his skull. He certainly seems to be susceptable to shots to this area. The Watson punch that floored him landed high too.

Boxing isn't magic its about A-Offence and B- Defence and the effectiveness at which you can excersise yourself in these 'stances'. Until Khan improves his defence and in fighting offence he remains vulnerable and unlikely to figure beyond a lucky belt wearer. Fagan may land the shots to get khan in trouble but the chances are Khans intelligence of movement and phenominal speed will be a little too much for the Irish champion but after the shocker last time who knows.

Safest bet seems a Khan stoppage.

great post jeff...
i must start an 'ask jeff' thread sometime...theres a few things i'd like your opinion on, and i'm sure lots of other would like to hear them too :good

ie...{apologies for going off topic}...how do you feel about someone stepping in so late for a world title fight {against enzo}..have you any problem with that?...or do you think to make it a fair contest at this level both fighters should have proper time to prepare for their opponent...i ask because you rightly seem to put emphisis on strategy in your post above..

[brown bomber]

great post jeff...
i must start an 'ask jeff' thread sometime...theres a few things i'd like your opinion on, and i'm sure lots of other would like to hear them too :good

ie...{apologies for going off topic}...how do you feel about someone stepping in so late for a world title fight {against enzo}..have you any problem with that?...or do you think to make it a fair contest at this level both fighters should have proper time to prepare for their opponent...i ask because you rightly seem to put emphisis on strategy in your post above..
I appreciate that Doug but must emphasise that my opinions are no more valid then anyone elses on this forum- I say this before any emotional types get upset. See mr Plow aka bellend.

Feel free to aks me anything you want though... :good

[doug.ie]

I appreciate that Doug but must emphasise that my opinions are no more valid then anyone elses on this forum- I say this before any emotional types get upset. See mr Plow aka bellend.

Feel free to aks me anything you want though... :good

ok...

how do you feel about someone stepping in so late for a world title fight {against enzo}..have you any problem with that?...or do you think to make it a fair contest at this level both fighters should have proper time to prepare for their opponent...i ask because you rightly seem to put emphisis on strategy in your post above..

[Decebal]

I appreciate that Doug but must emphasise that my opinions are no more valid then anyone elses on this forum- I say this before any emotional types get upset. See mr Plow aka bellend.

Feel free to aks me anything you want though... :good

Your opinions might not always hold more weight, but given that you've been there and done that, your opinions on plenty of crucial topics and aspects will have to carry more weight than those of pure armchair fans like me. What does it feel like to get knocked down; what does it feel like to take a huge body shot, what combinations are most effective against certain types of fighters, what strategies; how well a fighter's prepared for a certain fight; how well prepared he is technically for a certain opponent, etc. ...armchair fans, no matter how intelligent and knowledeable, will never know...

It's like comparing an art critic who's never painted in his life to an artist who's studied the history of art...

...the more posters like you share your insider knowledge and expertise with us, the more we learn.

Please post more, Jeff!:good

[brown bomber]

Your opinions might not always hold more weight, but given that you've been there and done that, your opinions on plenty of crucial topics and aspects will have to carry more weight than those of pure armchair fans like me. What does it feel like to get knocked down; what does it feel like to take a huge body shot, what combinations are most effective against certain types of fighters, what strategies; how well a fighter's prepared for a certain fight; how well prepared he is technically for a certain opponent, etc. ...armchair fans, no matter how intelligent and knowledeable, will never know...

It's like comparing an art critic who's never painted in his life to an artist who's studied the history of art...

...the more posters like you share your insider knowledge and expertise with us, the more we learn.

Please post more, Jeff!:good:lol:Your not going to make me answer all that are you? Thanks mate appreciate that. :good

[brown bomber]

ok...

how do you feel about someone stepping in so late for a world title fight {against enzo}..have you any problem with that?...or do you think to make it a fair contest at this level both fighters should have proper time to prepare for their opponent...i ask because you rightly seem to put emphisis on strategy in your post above.. I think many fighters would sacrafice the time to prepare just for the oppertunity of fighting for a world title. I think the change of opponent scenario creates difficulties for both camps. It depends very much on the fight that gets made at the end of it, if for example Hide-Macaroni had have been made then there really would have being little to complain about.

Hide is well known, past his best but the fight has that wow factor that is missing from the new match. Hide really dropped the ball with this one knocking it back out of principle borders on one of the most retarded decisions i've seen made by a participant of this sport, he's going nowhere fast based on that mentality. Silly man. With respect of course.

I think the plusses that a short notice guy brings is that the weight of expectation is nearly always on his opponent. Additionally he doesn't have to go through the weeks of worry and stress that comes with training for a big fight. Recent short notice fights have thrown some *******s our way like Klitschko - Lewis, Alexander - Simon, etc etc and Steve Robinsons title win is boxing folklaw now.

Ultimately short notice fights are part and parcel of the game. I think the promoter has a duty to provide us with the most attractive alternative though and this clearly hasn't happened.

Enzo-Dean Francis, Enzo-Hide - Enzo- anyone with a name or a bit of form would have been better then this shit. :good

[dwilson]

Great posts Jeff.

[boxingwriter]

People are supporting Fagan because he is a hard working,honest and likeable guy.For someone who only got into boxing by default and had just 3 amateur fights,he has been in some hard fights including his impressive performances against Verquan Kimbrough and Paul Spadafora.He is a lot more capable than you guys give him credit for.

Khan is cocky,overrated,overhyped,and let's face it,he talks some bollox,always going on about world titles when he can barely take a decent punch from smaller guys like Gomez and Limmond.And what has he done of note in his professional career?Fuck all!

Does that answer your question?

[Pug1list]

All true, but you forget all the charity work Khan does.

[brown bomber]

All true, but you forget all the charity work Khan does.:lol:Maybe I should have tried more charity work... thats where i went wrong.

[Pug1list]

:lol:Maybe I should have tried more charity work... thats where i went wrong.

Doubt it would have helped, losing to Baz Carey is where it went wrong.

[brown bomber]

Doubt it would have helped, losing to Baz Carey is where it went wrong.:lol: Maybe he did more charity work then me. noob. :patsch

[brown bomber]

Genuine lol though ...

[doug.ie]

I think many fighters would sacrafice the time to prepare just for the oppertunity of fighting for a world title. I think the change of opponent scenario creates difficulties for both camps. It depends very much on the fight that gets made at the end of it, if for example Hide-Macaroni had have been made then there really would have being little to complain about.

Hide is well known, past his best but the fight has that wow factor that is missing from the new match. Hide really dropped the ball with this one knocking it back out of principle borders on one of the most retarded decisions i've seen made by a participant of this sport, he's going nowhere fast based on that mentality. Silly man. With respect of course.

I think the plusses that a short notice guy brings is that the weight of expectation is nearly always on his opponent. Additionally he doesn't have to go through the weeks of worry and stress that comes with training for a big fight. Recent short notice fights have thrown some *******s our way like Klitschko - Lewis, Alexander - Simon, etc etc and Steve Robinsons title win is boxing folklaw now.

Ultimately short notice fights are part and parcel of the game. I think the promoter has a duty to provide us with the most attractive alternative though and this clearly hasn't happened.

Enzo-Dean Francis, Enzo-Hide - Enzo- anyone with a name or a bit of form would have been better then this shit. :good

right...i get all that...but..
as a boxing fan, wouldnt you like to see both boxers prepared properly so both give the best performance...as you know jeff, at this level it takes time, or should i imagine, to work on strategy..ie, if a fella is called in at 4 days notice and he has to fight a southpaw for the title, but has only fought one or two early in his career...
i do get your point...and i suppose i am talking 'in general'...but i would hate to see enzo's opponent use lack of time to prepare if he gives a bad performance...
i hope i am explaining myself properly there.

[Pug1list]

:smooch

[brown bomber]

right...i get all that...but..
as a boxing fan, wouldnt you like to see both boxers prepared properly so both give the best performance...as you know jeff, at this level it takes time, or should i imagine, to work on strategy..ie, if a fella is called in at 4 days notice and he has to fight a southpaw for the title, but has only fought one or two early in his career...
i do get your point...and i suppose i am talking 'in general'...but i would hate to see enzo's opponent use lack of time to prepare if he gives a bad performance...
i hope i am explaining myself properly there.
Your 100% right Doug... its not ideal and should be avoided. Enzo's fight is pointless anyway at this stage. Banks was half interesting. Whoever he fights - unless their surname is Hide, Mormeck or Bell i'm not too interested. :good

[BARNEYKX]

i never heard of fagin before but he seems to have the punch to do Khan if he can hang one on him good luck OISIN

[slapbangwhallop]

One of Fagans standout wins was against Andrew Hartley, the destroyer of Chalie Zelenoff...that is the level that Fagan seems to be operating at. Joke fight.

what total bollocks - so JCCJ and Spadafora operate at Zelenoff's level as well???

[slapbangwhallop]

I think khan will have too much for him and I don't think he's got the power to get khan out of their, I know how khans approaching the fight, and tactic wise he's spot on, fagan is a tough and proud chap though and will to himself proud. I expect a khan stoppage but hope for a fagan victory.

+1 - thats exactly how I see it as well

[Doyley10]

Cheers for the inside scoop on Khan/Fagan Jeff, most insightful. However, I have just discovered that you are a cloggie so my respect for you has diminished enormously.... :D

[mughalmirza786]

Because people hate Khan, and always have hated Khan because they see him as a road raged maniac whose cocky blah blah blah.

I don't get why Khan gets called a China chinned joke whilst he someone like Enzo who got stached by a bum early on his career and fights jokes non-stop for his useless WBO belt gets support.

Lets face it some people just don't wanna see Khan succeed. I like him personally doesn't bother me if he's got a weak chin, he's good fun to watch, he's never in a boring fight and has great offensive skills. Hey and good heart too, boxing is about Knockouts and with Khan you know someone is usually gonna get KO'd or outclassed or in a good scrap or you get to see Khan KO'd it's all good.

It the same reason why people loved to watch cotto's fights at 140, remember the torres fight, what at war. Khan brings excitement to the fight every time. He might never go beyond domestic or european level but its going to be fun watching him try.