Is there anyone here who wants Khan to lose but Froch to win?

[Decebal]

If so, why, except for the obvious reason of being a cunt?:twisted:

I wanted Khan to be brought down to earth and he's been brought down to earth big time. No more talking about beating Pacquiao etc....He has been brought down to earth...unfortunately not by Willie Limond...but he has eventually...and I like the new Khan - hungrier than ever, ambitious as ever, but humbled and with his feet on the ground. This is the right attitude you need to succeed. So I hope he wins and becomes as good as he hoped to be, as far as possible. I hope he wins a title soon anyway!

Froch...he's making a name for himself by talking down Calzaghe and Taylor and everyone else in the division....Bute, Kessler, Inkin...he said he'd beat them all, most in devastating fashion. True, he's not driven pedestrians over on crossings, but he's not 21 and famous either; he's 31 and should know better! I want Froch to be brought down to earth. I want him to start fighting proper contenders and prove himself, before thinking he's one of the best fighters in the world just because he's beaten a shot Robin Reid. If he changes his attitude, I will support him, after a loss. But right now, I want him humbled. Any fighter who goes into a title fight without having fought anyone in the top 20, who overlooks and talks down his unbeaten opponent like he does deserves to be humbled.

I understand why some might want both Khan and Froch to lose, but I think they're unfair to Khan and I don't understand how that's going to help British boxing, so...

I understand why some might want both Khan and Froch to win, because that's a success for British boxing.

But...I don't understand why some people might still want Khan to lose but Froch, an even bigger gobby twat than Khan's ever been, to win. I think such people are hypocrites of the lowest cuntish kind to be honest.:deal

[jc]

I wouldnt mind seeing Khan win or lose, he aint going anywhere anyway.

I dislike Froch but I hope he wins this weekend.

[Decebal]

I wouldnt mind seeing Khan win or lose, he aint going anywhere anyway.

I dislike Froch but I hope he wins this weekend.

Not minding if Khan wins or loses is fair enough, because as you say, he's never going to be a p4p star. Fair enough. :good

I was addressing the people who really wanted Khan to lose and really wanted Froch to win, because I expect there are some.;)

Good luck to those who want Fagan to win because they like him and Froch to win...nothing wrong with that. But that's not the same as wanting Khan to lose and Froch to win...

[Decebal]

So there's no one?:think

Good!:good

:clap:

[dwilson]

No one taking the bait Dec. Hope your ok by the way.

[Chris1412]

Great post. I myself wanted khan brought back down to earth with all his im gonna be world champion within 2 years crap and total disrespect to opponents. He now seems a lot more humble and willing to work at it more. I'll reserve judgement until i hear what hes got to say after he beats fagin. Froch really gets on my nerves with his calling out of the bigger names without really beating anyone decent. That said i still want him to win against pascal and set up some big fights so we can see if he is that good.

[Decebal]

No one taking the bait Dec. Hope your ok by the way.

I'm OK, thanks for asking. Hope you're OK too.

What bait? And why would no one who thought otherwise put me right?

[Decebal]

Great post. I myself wanted khan brought back down to earth with all his im gonna be world champion within 2 years crap and total disrespect to opponents. He now seems a lot more humble and willing to work at it more. I'll reserve judgement until i hear what hes got to say after he beats fagin. Froch really gets on my nerves with his calling out of the bigger names without really beating anyone decent. That said i still want him to win against pascal and set up some big fights so we can see if he is that good.

That's a good attitude, I think. I think this is what most posters on the British forum think too.:good

[FLINT ISLAND]

I want Froch to win

and I dont care what happens to Khan

but whats wrong with wanting Fagan to win if you are a Fagan fan?

it might not be you want Khan to lose

the univrsere dont revolve around a boy from bolton

pherhaps people just like Fagan and want him to be successful

[toffeejack]

I don't like either of them but I want Froch to win because of the interest it will generate in the 168 division now that Calzaghe is no longer there.

I hope he steps up to fight Kessler and gets destroyed though.

[D-MAC]

I don't like either of them but I want Froch to win because of the interest it will generate in the 168 division now that Calzaghe is no longer there.

I hope he steps up to fight Kessler and gets destroyed though.

I think that would a good match-up; Froch could have some early success, but I think overall you're right: Kessler would end up murdering him.

[widdy]

i hope froch wins,at least when he is cocky,he's quiet funny as well,he is a good boxer with a good chin and can bang.
where as khan is a half decent boxer(please don't go on about the olympics,different ballgame)who can punch half decent,but a really shit chin,and when he says stuff,boy dus he beleive it!:patsch
in other words i couldent give a flying fuck win lose or draw:good

[Decebal]

I want Froch to win

and I dont care what happens to Khan

but whats wrong with wanting Fagan to win if you are a Fagan fan?

it might not be you want Khan to lose

the univrsere dont revolve around a boy from bolton

pherhaps people just like Fagan and want him to be successful

There's nothing wrong with wanting Fagan to win if you like him. There's nothing wrong with wanting a journeyman to beat a hyped prospect like Khan either...as long as the main reason you want him to win is not the fact that you want Khan to get beaten. (I made that distinction in the previous posts!!!)

Still...I wonder where all these many massive Fagan fans were before he was matched against Khan....!!!

so...there's your answer: most people want Fagan to win not because they care about Fagan, but because they hate Khan.

If you want Khan to lose because you dislike him, that's ok. But then, why would you really want Froch to win?

Let's compare the people in these two match-ups: Khan/Fagan/Froch/Pascal:

Biggest Twats: Khan and Froch
Massive Favourites: Khan and Froch
Hometown fighters: Khan and Froch
More overrated by the media/casual fans: Khan and Froch
More annoying hard-core fans: Khan and Froch
Underrates his opponent and talks as if he's already beaten him: Froch
More annoying/lying promoters: Khan and Froch
Have picked and chosen soft opposition as much as possible to make their resume look good: Khan and Froch
Have talked more shit about their betters in the division: Khan and Froch

etc.

...pretty much any reason for wanting Khan to lose applies to Froch too and then some! In many ways, Froch's a much bigger twat than Khan...and he's a grown man too...not a boy.

So...now that Khan's learned humility, why would any reasonable, fair person really, passionately want Khan to lose and Froch to win?

No reason, imo.

[Decebal]

I don't like either of them but I want Froch to win because of the interest it will generate in the 168 division now that Calzaghe is no longer there.

I hope he steps up to fight Kessler and gets destroyed though.

...the harder they fall...

...I'd rather Froch learned some humility now rather than later, when the consequences will be worse and more humiliating. Ideally, no one would want any fighter to get taken down a notch or two because all fighters would be reasonable, upstanding people everyone could respect. I don't want Froch to become a hated monster. I'd rather he changed his ways now rather than coming down to earth with a huge bang. Same went for Khan with me...ideally, he'd have changed his ways after Willie...but he didn't...he had to get KTFO for him to change his ways...

If Froch wins but learns some humility in this fight and changes his ways, I'll be happy enough. I don't want him to lose. I want him to change his ways first and foremost.

[toffeejack]

...the harder they fall...

...I'd rather Froch learned some humility now rather than later, when the consequences will be worse and more humiliating. Ideally, no one would want any fighter to get taken down a notch or two because all fighters would be reasonable, upstanding people everyone could respect. I don't want Froch to become a hated monster. I'd rather he changed his ways now rather than coming down to earth with a huge bang. Same went for Khan with me...ideally, he'd have changed his ways after Willie...but he didn't...he had to get KTFO for him to change his ways...

If Froch wins but learns some humility in this fight and changes his ways, I'll be happy enough. I don't want him to lose. I want him to change his ways first and foremost.

Difference is Khan is only 21 and has a lot of time to do some growing up.

Froch is a 31 grown up adult, he aint changing his ways now.

[LiamE]

I couldnt give a toss about Khan but it would be funny to see him get sparked again.

I want to see Froch win because he he is better than pascal and it will be good to watch him in title fights over the next few years. He has an exciting style. That and I have money on him.

[SouthpawSlayer]

i want khan to lose as i like oisin im irish so thats my reasoning amd i want froch to win

if khan had been fighting jimmy magoo jr id still want him to lose just general dislike to this guy

[Decebal]

I couldnt give a toss about Khan but it would be funny to see him get sparked again.

I want to see Froch win because he he is better than pascal and it will be good to watch him in title fights over the next few years. He has an exciting style. That and I have money on him.

It would be funny to see Froch sparked too, after he's praised his iron chin so much. Of course, Pascal doesn't look like the man to do it...

[BIG WORM]

i think it'll be a points win for khan coz hes lost all the muscle and will probably more quick with less power on his punches

i want froch and khan to win..... i think pascal might beat carl though, hes shown the better skills..

[TFFP]

Aren't you just allowed to dislike Khan as a fighter and at the same time like Froch as a fighter?

I don't care about Khan, the fight barely raises my interest-o-meter above a cool zero.

I'd like Froch to win, he brings something to the division with his mouth. He's already got a fearsome rep for talking smack, he's the only real bad guy at 168. He's also a powerful puncher and easy to hit (yet can actually take a punch) so it makes for exciting matchups.

[Decebal]

Aren't you just allowed to dislike Khan as a fighter and at the same time like Froch as a fighter?

They're both offensively minded risk-takers who never say no to a fight, even when it's not in their best interest, and they both have exciting, crowd pleasing styles...it's not like Khan's an Ottke type fighter and Froch's like Kessler!

[TFFP]

They're both offensively minded risk-takers who never say no to a fight, even when it's not in their best interest...it's not like Khan's an Ottke type fighter and Froch's like Kessler!
I recognize that, but there is (and always was) a realization in the back of your mind that says Khan is going to get KO'd as soon as he faces a good fighter, or even gets hit with a good punch.

That doesn't make for the same kind of excitement.

[Decebal]

I recognize that, but there is (and always was) a realization in the back of your mind that says Khan is going to get KO'd as soon as he faces a good fighter, or even gets hit with a good punch.

That doesn't make for the same kind of excitement.

Some would say that makes for more excitement because the average Khan fight is likely to end in a KO one way or the other.

[TFFP]

Some would say that makes for more excitement because the average Khan fight is likely to end in a KO one way or the other.
At the same time that is your fight outcome unpredictability down the toilet.

If Froch impresses, we may be able to say that he has the power and chin to cause an upset even though he has a propensity for being outboxed.

Whereas Khan...exciting style tick...recklessness tick...chin...uh oh. He loses every time.

Anyway, I don't particularly want Khan to lose. Fagan winning isn't exactly a healthy thing.

[John18]

I see what you're saying with the comparison.

I'm not totally sure of Froch; I think his "world class" power is yet to be proven.

But generally, I'd say he has faced a better class of fighter and threfore deserves to run his mouth a bit more than Khan.

[kieron]

To be honest I think it's largely a British trait to be pesimistic, negative and critical of sportsmen who are on the up. Bizarrely we just enjoy it as a nation. It's the same with the national football team, tennis etc etc. We seem to be unique in this as the yanks always get behind their guys. I personally wish the likes of Khan and Froch all the success because they are 2 of our best chances of world titles. I don't get why we seem to revel in the failure of these guys. Khan and Macca seem to get the worst of this but I can't think of a cruiser and a lightweight from Britain that have a better chance at winning a strap

[Decebal]

To be honest I think it's largely a British trait to be pesimistic, negative and critical of sportsmen who are on the up. Bizarrely we just enjoy it as a nation. It's the same with the national football team, tennis etc etc. We seem to be unique in this as the yanks always get behind their guys. I personally wish the likes of Khan and Froch all the success because they are 2 of our best chances of world titles. I don't get why we seem to revel in the failure of these guys. Khan and Macca seem to get the worst of this but I can't think of a cruiser and a lightweight from Britain that have a better chance at winning a strap

:thumbsup

[cityofgod]

Khan is a multi millionaire despite beating nobody his own size froch has chased everyone out of town and now has his well deserved shot at the world title.

Decebollocks - your the biggest prick in internet land. i read your sh*t all over ther place even on froches site - your a troll who probably has no life and has never even hit a punchbag nevr mind have a fight.



your a 5'2 teenager i reckon.

[ja7400]

I want Khan to lose because I don't like him.

I want Froch to win because I'm from Nottingham.

[brickfists]

i want khan to lose cause im an irish man so its fagan all the way

i want froch to lose cause he has this aragance about him that i just hate he thinks he's the man but hasnt fought anyone of note and hasnt proved shit

[HairyHighlander]

Decebal, you are a good poster but what exactly apart from nurturing haters towards fighters,do you bring to the table ? Fighters want and will given the chance fight anyone, they have that belief, right or wrong.
They will say they want the p4p, (they maybe want the cash) they want to win etc etc......

I will ask you , whats your record and who are you preparing for at the moment, no forget the record, it aint important, who are you preparing for right now?

You box yes ? Whats YOUR attitude when fighting, not on ESB when you fight/compete ?

Yeah i agree , some go about there work quietly.

Anyways, you have a good postage stamp,you know your stuff( i will say this before most)

"If Froch wins but learns some humility"


Whats to learn when you are winning ? Do you know what he does outside of his training Decebal ? You think he dosent know humility ? I dont think you do know.

Pardon the big post but this stuff is to say the least "guff"

Hairy :deal

[faisal]

any 1 with a punch has khans number oisin will ko him 2moro nite

[HairyHighlander]

i want khan to lose cause im an irish man so its fagan all the way

i want froch to lose cause he has this aragance about him that i just hate he thinks he's the man but hasnt fought anyone of note and hasnt proved shit


Fair call, national pride etc

Never knew of Fagan (heard of him aye) in the ten years i glued maself to the telly for boxing, apart from setanta, i still never seen him.

Frochs arrogance, he dosent think any different to what any fighter thinks themselves , to themselves or to others.Maybe he is a better man for saying it and putting his yarballs on the line. Regarding fighting no one, i dont remember him being pulled out or "injured" etc............seems the other way. Please correct me

What hasnt he proved ? Lesser fighters get better chances etc

Hairy :bbb

[HairyHighlander]

any 1 with a punch has khans number oisin will ko him 2moro nite


Serious?

I would genuinely be pleased for Fagan if it happened, yes i would be.

You really think it will happen ? I think Khan will deal with him well.

Khans been there done that, why i see him winning, Fagan hasent , why i can see him wanting/winning.

Khans i hope and is bitter, he had a BIG comedown

I said 1-2 round blitz, i still see it, yet to see Khan crank out a 12 rd pts decision wont piss me, but more doubt him a lil

Best of luck to both fighters and "fans"

Hairy :good

[Hitman_Hatton]

Want Carl to win been a big fan from the start, also i get the sense Frochs shit talking is a little tongue in cheek tbh he is actually a fairly smart guy. Khan on the other hand is thick as pig shit and i think he genuinely believed he wasnt a million miles away from the likes of Pac talk about deluded!!! Not fussy what happens to Khan to be honest i have never taken to him much the same way i never did with Witter, Audley, Calzaghe or Alex Arthur. Nothing to do with skin colour which is what i sense people are trying to get at. Quite simply you take to some fighters and not others.

[Decebal]

Decebal, you are a good poster but what exactly apart from nurturing haters towards fighters,do you bring to the table ?

I can see why you consider me a good poster...:blood

[Decebal]

Want Carl to win been a big fan from the start, also i get the sense Frochs shit talking is a little tongue in cheek tbh he is actually a fairly smart guy. Khan on the other hand is thick as pig shit and i think he genuinely believed he wasnt a million miles away from the likes of Pac talk about deluded!!! Not fussy what happens to Khan to be honest i have never taken to him much the same way i never did with Witter, Audley, Calzaghe or Alex Arthur. Nothing to do with skin colour which is what i sense people are trying to get at. Quite simply you take to some fighters and not others.

Carl's not tongue in cheek. Try as hard as I might to believe that, it just doesn't make sense. The guy means what he says.

Funny how Carl is talking rubbish "tongue in cheek" and "only trying to get his name out there" and "OMG, he's so funny!!" :blood ... but when it comes to other fighters like Hatton or Khan...they're boring, annoying delusional nutjobs...

...that my friend is called being biased (at best) or being hypocritical (at worst).;)

It's not about colour/religion etc? Fair enough...then it must be something else...but what exactly I cannot see...because no good reason can be given for wanting Froch to do well but Khan to fail.

He's from Nottingham? Oh...I see...and Khan, is Khan not from Bolton?:roll:

[Mandanda]

i do i want khan to lose and froch to win, i big fan of froch.

[HairyHighlander]

I can see why you consider me a good poster...:blood


I "generally" do

Hairy :good

[HairyHighlander]

Carl's not tongue in cheek. Try as hard as I might to believe that, it just doesn't make sense. The guy means what he says.

Funny how Carl is talking rubbish "tongue in cheek" and "only trying to get his name out there" and "OMG, he's so funny!!" :blood ... but when it comes to other fighters like Hatton or Khan...they're boring, annoying delusional nutjobs...

...that my friend is called being biased (at best) or being hypocritical (at worst).;)

It's not about colour/religion etc? Fair enough...then it must be something else...but what exactly I cannot see...because no good reason can be given for wanting Froch to do well but Khan to fail.

He's from Nottingham? Oh...I see...and Khan, is Khan not from Bolton?:roll:


Can you answer what i asked you now ?

Hairy :deal

[icemax]

I want Khan to lose because I don't like him.

I want Froch to win because I'm from Nottingham.

Perversely, I want Khan to win despite the fact that I don't particularly like him, and I also want Froch to win despite the fact that I think that Nottingham is a bit of a shithole :good

[JonOli]

Personally I want Khan and Froch to win! I don't think Khan says any worse things then your average boxer, and Froch speaks his mind - I like it!

I like to see someone who isn't London based or (Manchester) or someone a load of Scots or Welshos don't hang/cling onto like they are God... anyway I hope they both win... there I have said it - shoot me.

[HOF]

Hopefully both will win. Interesting to see Froch come in well inside the limit tho and he definitely seems nervous whereas Pascal is in a relaxed mood which reflects his style in the ring. While Froch talks about Pascal having never been pressured by someone like himself the same is true of Froch who has faced nobody who he could be soundly judged against. He has had no 'lead up' to tihs fight after years of fighting not very often - he has done nothing to back his mouth up and it all boils down to tomorrow.

As for Khan, he's taken a lot of stick but you can only admire the way he's thrown himself into things in tough new surroundings after getting sparked. I hope it's been worthwhile tomorrow

[Decebal]

Perversely, I want Khan to win despite the fact that I don't particularly like him, and I also want Froch to win despite the fact that I think that Nottingham is a bit of a shithole :good

Hopefully both will win. Interesting to see Froch come in well inside the limit tho and he definitely seems nervous whereas Pascal is in a relaxed mood which reflects his style in the ring. While Froch talks about Pascal having never been pressured by someone like himself the same is true of Froch who has faced nobody who he could be soundly judged against. He has had no 'lead up' to tihs fight after years of fighting not very often - he has done nothing to back his mouth up and it all boils down to tomorrow.

As for Khan, he's taken a lot of stick but you can only admire the way he's thrown himself into things in tough new surroundings after getting sparked. I hope it's been worthwhile tomorrow

Personally I want Khan and Froch to win! I don't think Khan says any worse things then your average boxer, and Froch speaks his mind - I like it!

I like to see someone who isn't London based or (Manchester) or someone a load of Scots or Welshos don't hang/cling onto like they are God... anyway I hope they both win... there I have said it - shoot me.

Good stuff!:thumbsup

[Joe Pirrelly]

Carl's not tongue in cheek. Try as hard as I might to believe that, it just doesn't make sense. The guy means what he says.

Funny how Carl is talking rubbish "tongue in cheek" and "only trying to get his name out there" and "OMG, he's so funny!!" :blood ... but when it comes to other fighters like Hatton or Khan...they're boring, annoying delusional nutjobs...

...that my friend is called being biased (at best) or being hypocritical (at worst).;)

It's not about colour/religion etc? Fair enough...then it must be something else...but what exactly I cannot see...because no good reason can be given for wanting Froch to do well but Khan to fail.

He's from Nottingham? Oh...I see...and Khan, is Khan not from Bolton?:roll:

I find Carl funny. Always have. It is tongue in cheek mixed with genuine confidence which i'm sure he'll deliver on. Khan first annoyed me as he progressed in his Olympic campaign and the arrogance started to shine through. Now he's been beaten so clearly i say good luck to him but i'm not fussed either way.

1 more thing Decebal - Froch has not been hand picking/ducking although he's been ducked all over. He's said since he turned pro he'd take the traditional route British, European, World and even specified the WBC as his aim. This is delivering on what you say. Here he is 12 hours away from his shot.

[Doppleganger]

Great post. I myself wanted khan brought back down to earth with all his im gonna be world champion within 2 years crap and total disrespect to opponents. He now seems a lot more humble and willing to work at it more. I'll reserve judgement until i hear what hes got to say after he beats fagin. Froch really gets on my nerves with his calling out of the bigger names without really beating anyone decent. That said i still want him to win against pascal and set up some big fights so we can see if he is that good.
Agreed re Khan but as far as Froch goes he can't be that good or he'd probably had gotten there by now. I think he's a decent, European level fighter but he doesn't do anything well enough to be called world class. Calzaghe, Kessler, BHop, RJJ etc are all on a different level. I'd like to see him against Jermain Taylor though.

[Decebal]

1 more thing Decebal - Froch has not been hand picking/ducking although he's been ducked all over.

He's not been avoided by anyone, unless you count Calzaghe and Taylor, which you shouldn't, except for Inkin...but even there, the guy became injured, rescheduled, got the flu with a couple of days left and Froch decided to move on, quite rightly - a show was booked with the TV company.

Froch HAS been choosing and picking!

He fought Tatevosyan less than 8 weeks after Bute beat him up badly, he fought a shot Robin Reid when there were quite a few much better fights out there for him, he avoided Bute in the IBF eliminator, preferring to fight the man Bute just beat - Tatevosyan - instead...

...you cannot say Froch's been ambitious or trying to make the best fights out there; he hasn't...and he should be the last to speak about fighters ducking him, since he never wanted to step up when he had the chance and since he's getting a title shot having never fought anyone in the top 20 yet, with almost 7 years as a pro on the clock! If anything, he should count his blessings and keep shtoom.

[kurt2006]

I would love it if Khan lost again but fagin is not the man to do it.

Everyone knows the Cobra is going to win.

[Decebal]

Everyone knows the Cobra is going to win.

:p:D:lol:

[Beeston Brawler]

Decebal - you have an unhealthy obsession with the SMW division!!

[Decebal]

Decebal - you have an unhealthy obsession with the SMW division!!

It is one of the best divisions out there, you must admit...plenty of exciting fighters in the pipeline too!;)

[Beeston Brawler]

It could be if they all manned up and fought each other instead of talking ;)

[kurt2006]

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[Smazz20]

I want Fagan to win solely because he's Irish. But if/when Khan stops him I won't be upset or anything. Khan got the kick up the arse he needed and he's moved over to America for some serious training. Something that Froch should do, win or lose tonight. I'd prefer Froch to win over Pascal. Then set up a fight with either Andrade or Bika, either of which would be easily made.

[Decebal]

It could be if they all manned up and fought each other instead of talking ;)

They will soon! Don't forget how long Calzaghe waited before he took on Kessler...

Kessler'll fight some good fights next year, Bute's fought 3 top 10 guys in his last 4 fights, Taylor's going to fight at least one big fight next year, Bika is fighting anyone who is prepared to give him a shot, Inkin will fight his stablemate Balzsay, who is actually very good, Froch/Pascal winner should fight at least one one big fight next year, Dirrell and Ward are in the pipeline...and will want a title shot soon too; quite a few contenders around the bottom Top 10 mark...things are looking up.

[kurt2006]

Froch to win over Pascal. Then set up a fight with either Andrade or Bika, either of which would be easily made.

No shitty defences for the Cobra he will be ready for the likes of Taylor, Bute, JC, Bhops, Pavlik, RJJ and Haye at catchweight.

[Decebal]

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How long did it take you to make that? :think

[kurt2006]

How long did it take you to make that? :think

:lol:
I didnt, just copied and pasted the link from the amirfans web site. I guess one of his ass licking female fans must have made it or one of those metrosexual lads with homosexual tendancies that always follow him.

Looks very nice and I guess they spent some time making all those flashing stars etc.

[Decebal]

I want Fagan to win solely because he's Irish. But if/when Khan stops him I won't be upset or anything. Khan got the kick up the arse he needed and he's moved over to America for some serious training. Something that Froch should do, win or lose tonight. I'd prefer Froch to win over Pascal. Then set up a fight with either Andrade or Bika, either of which would be easily made.

The winner of Froch v. Pascal won't be allowed to choose his next opponent. He will have to fight his mandatory challenger straight away (Taylor) and then, the winner of Murat v. Marcus Johnson. This is how the WBC do things when they hand out a vacant or interim title. So...even if Taylor doesn't fight the winner, the winner will have to fight Murat/Johnson before picking his first voluntary defence.

[Smazz20]

No shitty defences for the Cobra he will be ready for the likes of Taylor, Bute, JC, Bhops, Pavlik, RJJ and Haye at catchweight.



RJJ, Haye?:huh


Nah, I know he'll have the WBC strap but that simply improves his bargaining power. It dosen't make him the most wanted man in boxing. Besides, one win over a fellow unproven prospect will not make him king either. Andrade would be a great test of his chin, power, heart and stamina. Bika also, to a lesser extent. Froch just has to be very active for 2009. Unless he gets injured, the man should aim to make about 4 fights next year. Hopefully he'll even go stateside.

[Decebal]

:lol:
I didnt, just copied and pasted the link from the amirfans web site. I guess one of his ass licking female fans must have made it or one of those metrosexual lads with homosexual tendancies that always follow him.

Looks very nice and I guess they spent some time making all those flashing stars etc.

:-(

I was trying to be mildly humourous...:patsch

[Smazz20]

The winner of Froch v. Pascal won't be allowed to choose his next opponent. He will have to fight his mandatory challenger straight away (Taylor) and then, the winner of Murat v. Marcus Johnson. This is how the WBC do things when they hand out a vacant or interim title. So...even if Taylor doesn't fight the winner, the winner will have to fight Murat/Johnson before picking his first voluntary defence.



Well, in that case, Andrade and co will have to wait. Who knows what route Taylor will take. Kind of depends on him at the moment as it seems everyone wants a piece of him.

[Decebal]

Well, in that case, Andrade and co will have to wait. Who knows what route Taylor will take. Kind of depends on him at the moment as it seems everyone wants a piece of him.

Andrade is fighting Tsypko in an IBF eliminator to become mandatory challenger next anyway.

[kurt2006]

RJJ, Haye?:huh


Nah, I know he'll have the WBC strap but that simply improves his bargaining power. It dosen't make him the most wanted man in boxing. Besides, one win over a fellow unproven prospect will not make him king either. Andrade would be a great test of his chin, power, heart and stamina. Bika also, to a lesser extent. Froch just has to be very active for 2009. Unless he gets injured, the man should aim to make about 4 fights next year. Hopefully he'll even go stateside.

The Cobra is the real deal. He could take any shot Haye can throw and would KO him within 7 rounds.

Once he has the WBC strap and then beats the likes of Bute, Taylor and co the likes of RJJ will be drawn to him like pikeys to caravans. Only thing is the Cobra will KO RJJ.

[Smazz20]

The Cobra is the real deal. He could take any shot Haye can throw and would KO him within 7 rounds.

Once he has the WBC strap and then beats the likes of Bute, Taylor and co the likes of RJJ will be drawn to him like pikeys to caravans. Only thing is the Cobra will KO RJJ.


:lol:

[kurt2006]

:lol:

He would KO you as well.

The Cobra is no Gary Stretch, he is the real deal and you watch what he does to Billie Jean tonight.

Oh yes for all you Khan ding dong sucker, he is moving to LWW within the next 6 months. Wait till a fully blown LWW clocks him on his shit chin. It will be like what the big bad wolf did to those pigs in staw houses.

[mbrockett]

am i missing something but surely it is completely different for Khan and Froch??

Khan has been taking pony fights with randoms and journeymen because he is milking the uneducated boxing fans on sky BO, making millions (and more millions doing reality tv shows) fooling them into thinking he is something special already. Because of his financial pull he could have probably fought someone big by now, and has avoided the British Title and domestic contenders like Thaxton and Murray because they are dangerous fights and the casual observer hasnt heard of them.

Froch on the other hand, has been desperately seeking big name fights during the last few years but unable to get them- Taylor, Calzaghe, etc.., and has owned the british title for some time so is worthy of seeking big european and world fighters. he is probably also aware that at the age of 31 sitting around being polite and therefore staying out of the press isnt gonna get him the big fights he craves.

foolish to even compare them. Froch is a true boxer that has risen the proper way, Khan is a media creation of a boxer. i really want Froch to win and make some top fights after... Khan, hope he does well if he intends on getting some big names soon and not pussyfooting around on Sky BO with journeymen for the next few years.

[mbrockett]

In addition, how refreshing is it to see a British fighter having his first world title fight for the WBC and not WBO?? how many other British fighters around today have not picked up the WBO first? Haye for one...
Obviously it would only be non-****** fighters.

[kurt2006]

Spot on mbrockett. The Cobra is the real deal whilst Khan is a celebrity boxer who till this day bitches about beating Kindelan in that farce of a FW organised fight.

The cobra can take a punch whilst Khan can't.

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[Beeston Brawler]

I think that is why Khan is disliked - he seems to have been put on a pedestal during this irresistible crusade to a world title, without actually realising that it takes a lot of hard work and dedication.

Talent only gets you so far!!

[Decebal]

you watch what he does to Billie Jean tonight.

Froch called Pascal Jean Fruit Pastille after he declined Froch's offer to fight him at less than 2 weeks' notice after Inkin pulled out the second time.

[Decebal]

Froch on the other hand, has been desperately seeking big name fights during the last few years but unable to get them- Taylor, Calzaghe, etc

Not true. If anything, the opposite is true. When he had the chance to step up, he refused. The first time he was serious about stepping up was when the WBC paired him up with Inkin for an eliminator to become Calzaghe's mandatory challenger.

Anyway, you don't get a shot at Taylor or Calzaghe when you're a mere prospect who's never fought anyone in the Top 20 yet.

[Beeston Brawler]

In addition, how refreshing is it to see a British fighter having his first world title fight for the WBC and not WBO?? how many other British fighters around today have not picked up the WBO first? Haye for one...
Obviously it would only be non-****** fighters.

From memory.......

Woods
Haye
Hatton
Bruno
Rees :nut
Witter :verysad
Harrison :silly (WBF :lol:)
Nelson

[kurt2006]

zGwyKLmF42I

She was more like a ugly beauty queen from a movie scene
I said don't mind, but what do you mean I am the one
Who will dance on the floor in the round
She said I am the one, who will dance on the floor in the round

She told me her name was Jean Pascal, as she caused a scene
Then every head turned with eyes that dreamed of being the one
Who will dance on the floor in the round

People always told me be careful of what you do
And don't go around breaking young girls' noses
And mother always told me be careful of who you KO
And be careful of what you do 'cause the lie becomes the truth

Billie Pascal is my bitch
She's just a girl from Canada who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son

[Decebal]

en-chbv7upa

she was more like a ugly beauty queen from a movie scene
i said don't mind, but what do you mean i am the one
who will dance on the floor in the round
she said i am the one, who will dance on the floor in the round

she told me her name was jean pascal, as she caused a scene
then every head turned with eyes that dreamed of being the one
who will dance on the floor in the round

people always told me be careful of what you do
and don't go around breaking young girls' noses
and mother always told me be careful of who you ko
and be careful of what you do 'cause the lie becomes the truth

billie pascal is my bitch
she's just a girl from canada who claims that i am the one
but the kid is not my son
she says i am the one, but the kid is not my son

:d:d:d

[mbrockett]

Not true. If anything, the opposite is true. When he had the chance to step up, he refused. The first time he was serious about stepping up was when the WBC paired him up with Inkin for an eliminator to become Calzaghe's mandatory challenger.

Fair play, judging by your post count you prob know more than me! in any case im just glad Froch wants the top fights now, though Im not sure he has got the skills to be at the top to be honest.

Anyway, you don't get a shot at Taylor or Calzaghe when you're a mere prospect who's never fought anyone in the Top 20 yet.

apparently you get a shot at the WBO cruiser weight title if your ranked 176 in the world at light heaveyweight though...

anyway, my own annoyances with Khan are mainly because he won't fight Murray or Thaxton for the British title - surely the path should be British Title => Euro => World. Khan has a cheek and a half for calling out Pacquiao when he's not even the best on our shores.

[Beeston Brawler]

Apparently Froch didn't want to win any 'fringe titles' such as the IBF and wanted to concentrate on the WBC, which was the big prize.

Utter bullshit - he was just stalking Calzaghe!

[kurt2006]

Khan song :

M3wgaWAHo2Q

Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really
really really wanna chin, brain and smaller ears.

If you want my future forget my KO loss,
If you wanna get with me I better lose by KO fast,
Now don't go wasting my precious time,
50 odd seconds is enough time

I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really
really really wanna chin, brain and smaller ears.

[Decebal]

apparently you get a shot at the WBO cruiser weight title if your ranked 176 in the world at light heaveyweight though....

As far as I remember, Froch was offered a fight against Calzaghe for the WBO by ******, but he didn't take it because he wasn't ready; it was a while ago, though...i.e. either before or just after the Lacy fight, etc. (Don't ask me to give you a source, because I can't remember where I read it/heard it) From the same source, Bute was offered a fight against Froch too, around the same time, and he didn't take it either, because he wasn't ready.

So...Froch could have fought Calzaghe...and he could have won the WBO belt as his first belt, if what I read/heard was correct.

It's good to always bear in mind that boxing is a business, not a sport. Promoters/fighters always make decisions by looking at the risk/reward of a possible fight. That risk/reward might change in time. A couple of years back, Froch didn't think it was worth risking to lose against Calzaghe for the peanuts/options combo that ****** would have offered. Now, like Bute and everyone else, that ratio has changed, and they all want to fight him.;)

[Decebal]

Apparently Froch didn't want to win any 'fringe titles' such as the IBF and wanted to concentrate on the WBC, which was the big prize.

Utter bullshit - he was just stalking Calzaghe!

Not sure it was just Calzaghe that made him decide to step it up; he was getting on a bit and he hadn't done much and there was no one left to fight on the domestic scene - wasted potential. Sure, Calzaghe was a huge pull given the risk/reward...even a 90% chance of losing would be well worth it given the money and publicity involved in such a fight at this stage...that's why everyone wants to fight Calzaghe...particularly guys who don't have anything to lose if they lose to him.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think ****** wanted options on Froch - and the £££ will probably have been a bit short.

But - you can't turn down an offer and then accuse the guy of ducking you!

[Decebal]

I think ****** wanted options on Froch - and the £££ will probably have been a bit short.

But - you can't turn down an offer and then accuse the guy of ducking you!

****** would definitely have wanted options and Hennessy would have been mad to give in...he had made next to nothing on Froch by then. Froch was just working his way through the Magees of this world and it didn't make sense to take a fight like that for peanuts. In hindsight, he should have taken it, because as a name on Calzaghe's resume, he'd have been well known...but it might not have all been up to him, given whatever contract he'd have had with his promoter...who...after all, in the end...gave him the title fight he wanted.

[Beeston Brawler]

Obviously as an outsider, I have no real idea about how these sort of things work....

****** might want Froch's next three fights for a set fee, I don't know.

Hennessy SEEMS a pretty sincere sort of fella, whilst ****** is an egoistic maniac - who seems reluctant to ever stage a joint promotion.

[Decebal]

Obviously as an outsider, I have no real idea about how these sort of things work....

****** might want Froch's next three fights for a set fee, I don't know.

Hennessy SEEMS a pretty sincere sort of fella, whilst ****** is an egoistic maniac - who seems reluctant to ever stage a joint promotion.

From my point of view, I'd rather trust ****** than Hennessy...don't trust the guy one bit after all the rubbish he prints in the press about Froch's peers and betters ducking him etc.

SAYING THAT, I CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE, AND IT WASN'T A RELIABLE (INDEPENDENT) ONE EITHER, SO NO POINT IN GOING ON ABOUT THIS OR TAKING IT AS FACT.

[Beeston Brawler]

Probably so - at least with ****** you know what you are going to get. He is very good at nurturing less than stellar fighters and giving them a decent living - most fighters are quite happy to be in such a position.

His biggest failing is his ability to manage big fighters - he tends to either hold them back too much (Hatton) or push the panic button (Khan going on PPV). Instead of giving them a taster of elite fights, he totally holds them back until they force him into a position where he has to act.

Hennessy seems completely unable to 'sell' a fighter - his marketing is shocking. All they seem to do is call out other fighters, making ridiculous claims of substantial offers to the 'name fighters' to face his men. Could he really put £400k up for Khan to face Thaxton and not lose a fortune?

[Decebal]

Hennessy seems completely unable to 'sell' a fighter - his marketing is shocking. All they seem to do is call out other fighters, making ridiculous claims of substantial offers to the 'name fighters' to face his men. Could he really put £400k up for Khan to face Thaxton and not lose a fortune?

I disaprove of his tactics, but they are effective...look at Froch.

[kurt2006]

Hennassy shows are shit. At least FW has the girls form the Spearmint Rhino girls for the ring cards. Mick has mongs from ming land, some of the most ugly looking females ever, maybe Hennassy is doing his bit for butch lesbians.

[Beeston Brawler]

I wouldn't have said he has 'sold' Froch at all - Froch has done most of the work himself.

****** is much better at putting guys 'out there', Hatton used to do allsorts, as did Calzaghe.

[warrior85]

i hope they both get battered,2 gob shites that have done fuck all to back up their shit talking.

[Decebal]

I wouldn't have said he has 'sold' Froch at all - Froch has done most of the work himself.

****** is much better at putting guys 'out there', Hatton used to do allsorts, as did Calzaghe.

I disagree...just look at the number of articles in the tabloids about Froch in the last year or so...he's the fighter most is written about in Britain after Khan, Calzaghe and Hatton...who do you think arranges all those articles?

[Bluenose]

Ok, I'll bite to an extent as I'm sure you have been waiting for someone to. Prior to the Prescott bout I would have said yes to the question in the thread title without hesitation. Now I am a little more hesitant as I feel sorry to a small extent for Amir. His family have gotten way to involved in his career.

The hype train was out of control by passing the local stations and thinking way too far infront to unreachable destinations.

I am not fussed either way tonight but if Fagan sparks Khan then props to him. There is a huge difference between Froch and Khan. The latter was talking about taking on and beating the likes of Pacquiao when the reality was, he was being shaken by the likes Wullie Limond who with all due respect, has never had the reputation of being a heavy handed puncher. Amir was not being avoided and Thaxton, etc were desperate to expose the arrogant brash lad.

Where as Carl in my opinion genuinly has the talent to back up the talk and has been unfortunate not to have shown it yet due to others avoiding him. Obviously by twelve tonight we will know how accurate this is but the reality is, Froch has proven a lot more than Khan and has more right to open his mouth and call people out.


Carls had 80+ amateur fights and 23 pro fights and has never touched down once. Not even in sparring.

[Beeston Brawler]

I disagree...just look at the number of articles in the tabloids about Froch in the last year or so...he's the fighter most is written about in Britain after Khan, Calzaghe and Hatton...who do you think arranges all those articles?

Hmmmm............

Most of those have been on the back of Calzaghe though to be fair, much like Witter with Hatton - though not as bad.

I still think Mick needs to sharpen up his marketing - Froch is marketable but needs to turn off the trashtalking and make people warm to him, rather than dismiss him as a joker.

[Beeston Brawler]

Ok, I'll bite to an extent as I'm sure you have been waiting for someone to. Prior to the Prescott bout I would have said yes to the question in the thread title without hesitation. Now I am a little more hesitant as I feel sorry to a small extent for Amir. His family have gotten way to involved in his career.

The hype train was out of control by passing the local stations and thinking way too far infront to unreachable destinations.

I am not fussed either way tonight but if Fagan sparks Khan then props to him. There is a huge difference between Froch and Khan. The latter was talking about taking on and beating the likes of Pacquiao when the reality was, he was being shaken by the likes Wullie Limond who with all due respect, has never had the reputation of being a heavy handed puncher. Amir was not being avoided and Thaxton, etc were desperate to expose the arrogant brash lad.

Where as Carl in my opinion genuinly has the talent to back up the talk and has been unfortunate not to have shown it yet due to others avoiding him. Obviously by twelve tonight we will know how accurate this is but the reality is, Froch has proven a lot more than Khan and has more right to open his mouth and call people out.


Carls had 80+ amateur fights and 23 pro fights and has never touched down once. Not even in sparring.

Is that the right word - I felt he was gone!

[Bluenose]

Is that the right word - I felt he was gone!
In terms of Limond he was gone. I would certainly agree.

Had meant to add in other examples as he has looked badly shaken previously against the likes of Gomez.

[Beeston Brawler]

Yeah Gomez shook him up - he looked really uncomfortable on the inside.

A couple of earlier opponents gave him a tough time, Komjathy (check spelling) took him the full six and tested him.