Greatest tournamnet ever!

[The Mighty One]

Under 200 lbs. tournament

1. Rocky Marciano vs 16. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Gene Tunney vs 15. Archie Moore
3. Jack Dempsey vs 14. Bob Foster
4. Ezzard Charles vs 13. Vassily Jirov
5. Evander Holyfield vs 12. David Haye
6. Michael Spinks vs 11. Michael Moorer
7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson
8. James Toney vs 9. Jerry Quarry

[enquirer]

Tournament?

[Jear]

I dont get the fascination with Quarry, personally Id put Walcott, Machen, Bivins, Johansen, Schmelling, Folley and maybe even Doug Jones ahead of him

I like the concept of a 200lb tourney though, great stuff :good

[The Mighty One]

I dont get the fascination with Quarry, personally Id put Walcott, Machen, Bivins, Johansen, Schmelling, Folley and maybe even Doug Jones ahead of him

I like the concept of a 200lb tourney though, great stuff :good

A contemporary of Quarry was Boone Kirkman who beat both Jones and Machen. Johansen was not in Quarry's league. A case could be made for some of the earlier heavyweights especially Schmeling but I watch old film of them on You Tube and they are nowhere near the skill level of Quarry. Had there been a cruiser division Quarry would have been the champion for a long time.

[GPater11093]

didnt hbo kind of do a tourny to unify the heavyweight tile in the 90s and mike tyson won

[Sweet Pea]

Those are the best names you could come up with? Jirov, Haye, Moorer, Toney, and Quarry?

[Minotauro]

Why no Walcott?

[Robbi]

Under 200 lbs. tournament

1. Rocky Marciano vs 16. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Gene Tunney vs 15. Archie Moore
3. Jack Dempsey vs 14. Bob Foster
4. Ezzard Charles vs 13. Vassily Jirov
5. Evander Holyfield vs 12. David Haye
6. Michael Spinks vs 11. Michael Moorer
7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson
8. James Toney vs 9. Jerry Quarry

[Jear]

A contemporary of Quarry was Boone Kirkman who beat both Jones and Machen. Johansen was not in Quarry's league. A case could be made for some of the earlier heavyweights especially Schmeling but I watch old film of them on You Tube and they are nowhere near the skill level of Quarry. Had there been a cruiser division Quarry would have been the champion for a long time.

The Kirkman fights were the last for each of them in long tough careers and Jones also beat Kirkman. Johansen KOd Patterson who you have in your tourney. Not convinced Quarry would have reigned long as a cruiser king, a lot of 200lbers were around with him

[The Mighty One]

The Kirkman fights were the last for each of them in long tough careers and Jones also beat Kirkman. Johansen KOd Patterson who you have in your tourney. Not convinced Quarry would have reigned long as a cruiser king, a lot of 200lbers were around with him

Jones beat Kirkman on a cut in their first fight one that Boone was winning.

[The Mighty One]

Under 200 lbs. tournament

1. Rocky Marciano vs 16. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Gene Tunney vs 15. Archie Moore
3. Jack Dempsey vs 14. Bob Foster
4. Ezzard Charles vs 13. Vassily Jirov
5. Evander Holyfield vs 12. David Haye
6. Michael Spinks vs 11. Michael Moorer
7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson
8. James Toney vs 9. Jerry Quarry

I don't know what people have seen in Moore. He was cagey for sure but lost a lot of fights and went down in numerous ones. His legend was his longevity and ability to recuperate. Charles had his number. I would pick Tunney who only lost once in seventy plus fights.

[Sweet Pea]

I don't know what people have seen in Moore. He was cagey for sure but lost a lot of fights and went down in numerous ones. His legend was his longevity and ability to recuperate.He lost 23 fights, won 185 with 131 KO's (the most in the entire history of boxing), most of his losses coming at Heavyweight when he was past his prime. Charles lost 25 fights with less victories. Robinson lost 19 fights with fewer victories or KO's. Armstrong lost 21 fights with less victories. I could go on and on. Suffice it to say you didn't make very strong points. At all.

[The Mighty One]

He lost 23 fights, won 185 with 131 KO's (the most in the entire history of boxing), most of his losses coming at Heavyweight when he was past his prime. Charles lost 25 fights with less victories. Robinson lost 19 fights with fewer victories or KO's. Armstrong lost 21 fights with less victories. I could go on and on. Suffice it to say you didn't make very strong points. At all.

We are talking about within this under 200lb. tournament...
The two important counter points that are relative:

--Moore's losses were to men that he at least weighed identical with and in most cases he OUTWEIGHED.

--Charles had Moore's number.

The others you mentioned are not in the tournament.

[natonic]

Are you seeding 1 through 16? If that's the case I'd have to ask if you're intentioanlly seeding Vasily Jirov (David Haye too for that matter) higher than Bob Foster, Bob Fitzsimmons, and Archie Moore?

[The Mighty One]

Are you seeding 1 through 16? If that's the case I'd have to ask if you're intentioanlly seeding Vasily Jirov (David Haye too for that matter) higher than Bob Foster, Bob Fitzsimmons, and Archie Moore?

Yes. I struggle with Archie Moore after studying his record, opponents and watching numerous fights.
Fitzsimmons is a hard one because we haven't seen him fight and can only compare to similar not very skilled boxing champions of his era.
Foster was a great lightheavy but lost badly when he moved up.

[McGrain]

1. Rocky Marciano vs 16. Bob Fitzsimmons - Fitzsimmons KO4
2. Gene Tunney vs 15. Archie Moore - Moore KO11
3. Jack Dempsey vs 14. Bob Foster - Dempsey K02
4. Ezzard Charles vs 13. Vassily Jirov - Charles KO9
5. Evander Holyfield vs 12. David Haye - Hollyfield KO2
6. Michael Spinks vs 11. Michael Moorer - Spinks wpts
7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson - Patterson KO10
8. James Toney vs 9. Jerry Quarry - Toney wpts

2. Bob Fitzsimmons v 15.Archie Moore - Moore wpts
3. Jack Dempsey v 4. Ezzard Charles - Dempsey KO 5
5. Evander Hollyfield v 6. Micheal Spinks - Hollyfield WPTS
6. Floyd Patterson v 8. James Toney - Patterson WPTS

15. Archie Moore v Jack Dempsey - Dempsey KO4
5. Evander Hollyfield v Floyd Patterson - Hollyfield KO4

THIRD PLACE BOX OFF:
Archie Moore v Floyd Patterson - Patterson KO5

FINAL:
Jack Dempsey v Evander Hollyfield - Draw!

[natonic]

Yes. I struggle with Archie Moore after studying his record, opponents and watching numerous fights.
Fitzsimmons is a hard one because we haven't seen him fight and can only compare to similar not very skilled boxing champions of his era.
Foster was a great lightheavy but lost badly when he moved up.

I appreciate the reply. I don't agree, but you've at least layed out your reasoning. To each his own.

[McGrain]

My 16 would be:

Joe Louis
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Evander Hollyfield
Archie Moore
Roy Jones
Floyd Patterson
Sam Langford
Bob Foster
Gene Tunney
Bob Fitzsimmons
Micheal Spinks
Micheal Moorer

[The Mighty One]

My 16 would be:

Joe Louis
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Evander Hollyfield
Archie Moore
Roy Jones
Floyd Patterson
Sam Langford
Bob Foster
Gene Tunney
Bob Fitzsimmons
Micheal Spinks
Micheal Moorer

A case could be made for Louis. Nearly all of the fights in the first half of his career were just under 200 but all of those in his championship years were over. Langford is an enigma. He is near legendary among present day boxing historians but we have never seen him fight. Walcott is just outside the 16 in my opinion.
Jirov, Haye, Toney and Quarry are all too good at that weight to be left off.

[GPater11093]

my 16 would be

dempsey
marciano
holyfield
jones jr
greb
tunny
spinks
fitzimmons
patterson
jirov
haye
toney
quarry
moorer
moore
foster

[The Mighty One]

1. Rocky Marciano vs 16. Bob Fitzsimmons - Marciano W-KO
2. Gene Tunney vs 15. Archie Moore - Tunney W-Dec.
3. Jack Dempsey vs 14. Bob Foster - Dempsey w- KO
4. Ezzard Charles vs 13. Vassily Jirov - Charles W-Dec.
5. Evander Holyfield vs 12. David Haye - Holyfield W-Dec.
6. Michael Spinks vs 11. Michael Moorer - Spinks W-Dec.
7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson - Jones W-KO
8. James Toney vs 9. Jerry Quarry - Toney W-Dec.

[Minotauro]

[quote=The Mighty One;3010119]7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson - Jones W-KO
quote]

Seriously doubts this would happen in fact this is one of the worst style match up for Roy under 200lbs. Floyd was only truly KO'd by Liston and Ingo both far more powerful then Roy. Also Floyd is one of the few fighters who can match Roy's hand speed at this weight and has more then enough power to stop him plus Floyd is naturally bigger. I think this match up would always end in Floyd winning via KO.

[McGrain]

ALangford is an enigma. He is near legendary among present day boxing historians but we have never seen him fight.

He's on YouTube, chum.

[McGrain]

[Seriously doubts this would happen in fact this is one of the worst style match up for Roy under 200lbs. Floyd was only truly KO'd by Liston and Ingo both far more powerful then Roy. Also Floyd is one of the few fighters who can match Roy's hand speed at this weight and has more then enough power to stop him plus Floyd is naturally bigger. I think this match up would always end in Floyd winning via KO.

I agree. It's a horrible match up for Jones.