Styles Make Figts: Cotto - Clottey Is A 50/50 Fight

[King Dan]

Cotto is one of my favorite 3 fighters (Mosley,Dawson).

I'm watching Clottey tonight and I'm convinced that his chin, defense and accurate, hard punching would make a similar styles matchup as Ricardo Torres was for Cotto.

But with a MUCH better chin than Torres.

[Oscar de la Roa]

I believe clottey wins this one

[King Dan]

Well after those last 2 rounds, it's become 60/40 Cotto.....:lol:

[Amsterdam]

Well after those last 2 rounds, it's become 60/40 Cotto.....:lol:

It's 100% Cotto and has always been. Clottey never fooled me, he is by no means a puncher and has many issue's. I also don't believe his chin is iron.

Clottey's legend was built for doing well against Margarito, but Margarito is a horrible excuse for a "top tier" fighter to begin with.

Cotto in 5. Judah in 5 for that matter.

[King Dan]

4-1.........not so bad, maybe I'm not that hammered.

[King Dan]

Clottey stops Judah.

That one doesn't even require a second thought.

[Amsterdam]

Clottey stops Judah.

That one doesn't even require a second thought.

Considering he can't stop this guy, who was KOed in 1 by Corley, I think you're way off base. Judah lasted 11 rounds with Cotto, lasted the full fight with Mayweather, Clottey is not on that level.

Clottey also can't handle a good mover and Zab's speed would be the tale of the bout.

Zab by KO, easy.

[paulfv]

I could definitely see Clottey beating Cotto. Not saying he would, but he absolutely could and would have a good shot to do so, IMO.

[Amsterdam]

You all are nuts. Clottey even struggled with the 3rd tier Guttierez, he wouldn't win 1 round against the relentless pressure and combination punching of Cotto and he doesn't hit hard enough to change a fight.

Check out Flores' record, TKO 1 loss to Corley. Clottey only buzzed him once.

[King Dan]

Considering he can't stop this guy, who was KOed in 1 by Corley, I think you're way off base. Judah lasted 11 rounds with Cotto, lasted the full fight with Mayweather, Clottey is not on that level.

Clottey also can't handle a good mover and Zab's speed would be the tale of the bout.

Zab by KO, easy.

In the end, Clottey's heart > Judah's heart.

Clottey KO11 Judah.

[C Money]

Cotto destroy's Clottey or makes him quit. Thankfully?? Miguel is taking better more relevant matchup's like SSM.

[King Dan]

You all are nuts. Clottey even struggled with the 3rd tier Guttierez, he wouldn't win 1 round against the relentless pressure and combination punching of Cotto and he doesn't hit hard enough to change a fight.

Check out Flores' record, TKO 1 loss to Corley. Clottey only buzzed him once.

Chop Chop also had my boy Cotto on queer street and if he had any balls would have stopped both he and Floyd.

Flores is a tough bastard tonight.

Judah isn't always a tough bastard.

Only against Cotto he was.

[King Dan]

Cotto destroy's Clottey or makes him quit. Thankfully?? Miguel is taking better more relevant matchup's like SSM.

Mosley - Cotto!!!!

Madison Square Garden :happy

[Amsterdam]

In the end, Clottey's heart > Judah's heart.

Clottey KO11 Judah.

I'm sorry mate, but Judah has only been stopped by murderous hitters and both were ref stoppages.

Clottey fails to stop the chinny Corrales coming up 2 divisions, he fails to stop Guttierez and he fails to put a dent in this glass jawed guy tonight. Judah's never been stopped in 1 round by a guy like Corley.

Clottey's gassed by 6 to begin with, Judah would easily land his best left hands and put Clottey away.

[King Dan]

I agree wih your first comment.

I still feel Clottey stops Judah.

Maybe we'll get to see. :good

[paulfv]

I would love to see Judah-Clottey or Cotto-Clottey. Definitely want to see those fights made.

I've never been overly impressed with Cotto, and Judah is even less impressive, IMO.

Let's just hope the fights get made, then we can have some real fun.

[King Dan]

This was just an off night for Clottey, if anything bad at all.

[DaHead242]

Clottey-Judah and Cotto-Clottey would be exciting fights. Clottey has been a volume guy and never a hard hitter or knockout guy. I'd favor Clottey to beat Judah because I'm not sure what Judah has left at this point. he has a had a lot of fights for 29 and can be outworked. Cotto-Clottey I think is 50/50 but Cotto will be the favorite, he deserves that. Clottey with good hands has always been the guy i'd pick to beat Cotto. He has a good workrate and chin and a pretty solid body. He has the two handed power to keep Cotto from just barging in and his head and shoulders may bother Cotto because well Clottey does a lot of unclean tactics.

[HandsOfGold]

Clottey can no longer hit with force as he has the hands of an 8 year old girl, and he stops and covers up against the ropes way too much.

Cotto breaks him down.

[DaHead242]

When did everyone start to think that Clottey hit hard? he's never been a knockout guy. he has maybe 18 Ko's in 35, 36 fights. thats only 50-55%. He's a volume guy.

[huki]

What the hell.. the poll is 8-6 thinking that this is a 50/50 fight? King Dan, if Cotto is one of your favorite fighters, you shouldn't be insulting him like this. :D I can maybe see Clottey lasting 12 rounds with Cotto if he doesn't quit with 2 broken hands and 6 broken ribs.

[la-califa]

Clottey could most likely beat Judah. He has sound boxing technique & is disiplined enough to beat Judah. But Cotto on the other hand is a different story. Clottey has to set himself to effectivley use his power & he couldn't do that against Cotto. I see Clottey backpeddling to stay away from Cotto's power punches. If he asserts himself to trade. Cotto would tee off on him. Cotto would issue a slow beating & stop Clottey about thr ninth round.

[jlrivera81]

you guys are freaking insane if you think Clottey has any chance in hell against Cotto. Please do not bring up the Torres fight b/c Cotto fought out of his element that night. He started out way too aggresive b/c he and torres had a grudge b/c of previous sparring session. but once he got settled, it was all she wrotefor torres. clottey is wayyyyyyyyyy overrated. Cotto has been underrated ever since he got rocked versus Corley and Torres. People have been waiting and salivating at the thought of him losing. It may happen one day, but when it does, you better believe it will be against an elite fighter. Cotto is not going to lose to a B/C level fighter

[brooklyn1550]

Cotto UD

[the_what]

Im not that impressed with Clottey. I think he is easy to hit to the body. And his hand speed is overrated because he fought a slow Margarito and a weak Corrales. I think Cotto smokes him rather easily.

[Boom_Boom]

Considering he can't stop this guy, who was KOed in 1 by Corley, I think you're way off base. Judah lasted 11 rounds with Cotto, lasted the full fight with Mayweather, Clottey is not on that level.

Clottey also can't handle a good mover and Zab's speed would be the tale of the bout.

Zab by KO, easy.

im glad someone else sees this too

[jlrivera81]

I think Clottey is much like Randall Bailey who Cotto completely destroyed. Bailey was the bigger/stronger man. Cotto walked right through him while taking his best shots.

[Chiko_Tech]

Cotto is one of my favorite 3 fighters (Mosley,Dawson).

I'm watching Clottey tonight and I'm convinced that his chin, defense and accurate, hard punching would make a similar styles matchup as Ricardo Torres was for Cotto.

But with a MUCH better chin than Torres.
But with far less power.

[Chiko_Tech]

I would love to see Judah-Clottey or Cotto-Clottey. Definitely want to see those fights made.

I've never been overly impressed with Cotto, and Judah is even less impressive, IMO.

Let's just hope the fights get made, then we can have some real fun.
And you are impressed with Clottey

[Brickhaus]

In the end, Clottey's heart > Judah's heart.

Clottey KO11 Judah.

What makes you think Clottey has so much heart? That he stopped throwing punches when he hurt his hand against Margo? That he kept punching Baldo in the nuts when Baldo wouldn't go down?

Clottey my be less screwed in the head than Zab, but I'm not sure his heart is all that great.

[BITCH ASS]

It's 100% Cotto and has always been. Clottey never fooled me, he is by no means a puncher and has many issue's. I also don't believe his chin is iron.

Clottey's legend was built for doing well against Margarito, but Margarito is a horrible excuse for a "top tier" fighter to begin with.

Cotto in 5. Judah in 5 for that matter.

Styles though.

You're not looking at styles.

Clottey is a terrible style for Cotto. Clottey is a huge welterweight with fasthands that loves to fight in the inside.

He's at his best when a fighter comes directly at him.

He would have a hard time with pure boxers like Floyd because he would have to chase them all over the ring.

You have to look at STYLES.

[BITCH ASS]

King Dan, I agree with your assessment about Clottey and Cotto, but Zab might find a way to beat Clottey.

Clottey isn't a fighter that likes to pursue his opponent.

He's a big welterweight slugger that loves to fight inside.

Zab may just run around the ring and keep Clottey in a stationary position to win a UD.

Against Cotto though, it would be a totally different story. Cotto doesn't have the boxing ability that Zab has and wouldn't be dancing around Clottey, but going straight for him.

This would play right into the 170 lb hard hitting welterweight's hands.. People should be able to get somewhat of a picture of how this fight might take place, (off night or not), by how Cotto performed against Urkal.

Urkal used a guard similar to Clottey, but had NOTHING on Clottey in terms of power or speed.

Besides, when has Clottey been down? The man is hard as fuck. All of you who think Cotto would steamroll him need to learn STYLES MAKE FIGHTS.

STYLES MAKE FIGHTS.

[huki]

Styles though.

You're not looking at styles.

Clottey is a terrible style for Cotto. Clottey is a huge welterweight with fasthands that loves to fight in the inside.

He's at his best when a fighter comes directly at him.

He would have a hard time with pure boxers like Floyd because he would have to chase them all over the ring.

You have to look at STYLES. Terrible style for Cotto because he has fast hands and loves to fight on the inside? Cotto's style is terrible for Clottey. Cotto has underrated hand speed and loves to fight on the inside even more. The difference is Cotto is an elite fighter with real power and real skills (on the inside especially) and Clottey is a good fighter at best with little power. Your styles make fights argument might work if Clottey had devastating power, but he's doesn't. You're making him out to be Trinidad or something. Come on.

[BITCH ASS]

Terrible style for Cotto because he has fast hands and loves to fight on the inside? Cotto's style is terrible for Clottey. Cotto has underrated hand speed and loves to fight on the inside even more. The difference is Cotto is an elite fighter with real power and real skills (on the inside especially) and Clottey is a good fighter at best with little power. You're making Clottey out to be Trinidad or something.. have you ever seen him fight?

Look, this is basic fundamentals in boxing.

I shouldn't have to explain this.

Swarmers have the most trouble with Sluggers.

Boxers have the most trouble with Swarmers.

Sluggers have the most trouble with Boxers.

Cotto is a swarmer, and Clottey is a slugger.

Clottey is HUGE for the division, maybe one of the biggest guys in it and hasn't been down, but ONCE in his career by an opponent that outweight him by 15 lbs!

Clottey also hits very hard, but probably doesn't get the KO's he should because he often lets his opponent come to him instead of pursuing him.

How does he do this?

Well, when his opponent is on the outside, Clottey uses a high guard to frusterate them and make it difficult to jab him cleanly. This means that his opponent often has to take risks to get inside and hit Clottey.

Clottey isn't a stupid fighter though and knows that he leave himself vulnerable when he pursues his opponent, mainly because of his size and his issues with stamina.

If he fought the same way Cotto fought, Clottey would burn out and eventually get KOed.

What gives you the impression that Cotto would just steamroll through Clottey when Margarito had Clottey in the corner for about 30 seconds, relentlessly punching him, and STILL FAILED to KO or knock down Clottey.

And Margarito could fight Clottey more effectively from the outside because of his reach.

Cotto will BE FORCED TO FIGHT inside and right into Clottey's hands. I don't see how this is so difficult for people to see.

I didn't say Cotto wouldn't find a win, but it would be NO WALK IN THE PARK. Cotto would get BEAT UP in this fight.

This is how Clottey fights. He wants his opponent to come to him and uses his size to his advantage.

A terrible style matchup for Clottey would be someone like Paul Williams or Floyd.

Ya'll got to look at fights through styles and get off fighter's nuts.

[huki]

Look, this is basic fundamentals in boxing.

I shouldn't have to explain this.

Swarmers have the most trouble with Sluggers.

Boxers have the most trouble with Swarmers.

Sluggers have the most trouble with Boxers.

Cotto is a swarmer, and Clottey is a slugger.

Clottey is HUGE for the division, maybe one of the biggest guys in it and hasn't been down, but ONCE in his career by an opponent that outweight him by 15 lbs!

Clottey also hits very hard, but probably doesn't get the KO's he should because he often lets his opponent come to him instead of pursuing him.

How does he do this?

Well, when his opponent is on the outside, Clottey uses a high guard to frusterate them and make it difficult to jab him cleanly. This means that his opponent often has to take risks to get inside and hit Clottey.

Clottey isn't a stupid fighter though and knows that he leave himself vulnerable when he pursues his opponent, mainly because of his size and his issues with stamina.

If he fought the same way Cotto fought, Clottey would burn out and eventually get KOed.

What gives you the impression that Cotto would just steamroll through Clottey when Margarito had Clottey in the corner for about 30 seconds, relentlessly punching him, and STILL FAILED to KO or knock down Clottey.

And Margarito could fight Clottey more effectively from the outside because of his reach.

Cotto will BE FORCED TO FIGHT inside and right into Clottey's hands. I don't see how this is so difficult for people to see.

I didn't say Cotto wouldn't find a win, but it would be NO WALK IN THE PARK. Cotto would get BEAT UP in this fight.

This is how Clottey fights. He wants his opponent to come to him and uses his size to his advantage.

A terrible style matchup for Clottey would be someone like Paul Williams or Floyd.

Ya'll got to look at fights through styles and get off fighter's nuts. Thanks for explaining boxing to me in that long ass post. Now, let me give you a simple answer. Clottey doesn't get KO's because HE HAS LITTLE POWER. Big size does not mean big power. Margarito failed to KO Clottey because he too has little power and is not an ELITE FIGHTER. Elite swarmers with technical skills, stamina, and great heart like Cotto do not lose to C+ level "sluggers" like Clottey without power and stamina. You're the one who needs get off a boxer's nuts.

[BITCH ASS]

Thanks for explaining boxing to me in that long ass post. Now, let me give you a simple answer. Clottey doesn't get KO's because HE HAS LITTLE POWER. Big size does not mean big power. Margarito failed to KO Clottey because he too has little power and is not an ELITE FIGHTER. Elite swarmers with technical skills, stamina, and great heart like Cotto do not lose to C+ level "sluggers" like Clottey without power and stamina. You're the one who needs get off a boxer's nuts.

:rofl

Clottey is C level?

[jopez707]

I would pick Clottey over Cotto, Cotto would have a lot of problems against Clottey. Clottey's chin is granite, and his workrate is very good. Clottey is a handful for anyone in the division.

[BITCH ASS]

I would pick Clottey over Cotto, Cotto would have a lot of problems against Clottey. Clottey's chin is granite, and his workrate is very good. Clottey is a handful for anyone in the division.

Especially if you're a fighter who's built and fights like Cotto.

I think Williams is an example of a fighter that would pick Clottey apart.

Cintron would be a bad matchup for Clottey too.

Williams because of his range and workrate, and Cintron because of his range and power.

[CASH_718]

Clottey SD Cotto

Clottey's GOOD realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll good.

[Antwuan Maxx]

:lol: Did any of you even see Clottey-Flores? Clottey looked really good for 3 or 4 rounds, and then surprise surprise..he started to fade and began fighting in spurts. Flores' body attack was noticeably effective and was turning him around. Flores pushed Clottey to a point where he didn't want to engage, forcing him to get on his bicycle drawing boo's from he crowd.

I gave Clottey a pass on the Margarito fight, thinking he would have beaten him had it not been due to injury. But after this fight, I'm convinced Clottey will never beat Marg, or any other top welter because he can't fight the full 12. He is a talented fighter, with good d and handspeed (throws one handed combos faster than anyone in the sport), but his lack of stamina and tendency to slap with shots won't allow him to win against top tier fighters.

[MSTR]

Styles are a factor in fights, but a fighters skills and abilities are a greater factor. Cotto is a better fighter, and would wear down Clottey for a late TKO IMO.

[huki]

Everyone is still arguing about this? Even after Flores fight? Haha, what the hell did Clottey do to get so many supporters other than give the b-level Margarito a tough win?

[TitoCotto]

I can't even believe this topic was made after that fight with Flores. It's laughable... If anything Clottey made Flores look good. Styles make fights? Did you see how many body punches Flores landed on Clottey? He literally had to run from him during part of the middle rounds... Then Clottey got tired and started taking random breaks... I was not impressed at all... Like it or not that was a rough fight for Clottey... Put him in against Cintron, Judah or Collazo before you even mention Cotto

[BITCH ASS]

:lol: Did any of you even see Clottey-Flores? Clottey looked really good for 3 or 4 rounds, and then surprise surprise..he started to fade and began fighting in spurts. Flores' body attack was noticeably effective and was turning him around. Flores pushed Clottey to a point where he didn't want to engage, forcing him to get on his bicycle drawing boo's from he crowd.

I gave Clottey a pass on the Margarito fight, thinking he would have beaten him had it not been due to injury. But after this fight, I'm convinced Clottey will never beat Marg, or any other top welter because he can't fight the full 12. He is a talented fighter, with good d and handspeed (throws one handed combos faster than anyone in the sport), but his lack of stamina and tendency to slap with shots won't allow him to win against top tier fighters.

At the same time, how do you expect Clottey to get up for Flores?

Just as how do you expect Cotto to get up for Urkal?

Both men looked off their game.

[BITCH ASS]

I can't even believe this topic was made after that fight with Flores. It's laughable... If anything Clottey made Flores look good. Styles make fights? Did you see how many body punches Flores landed on Clottey? He literally had to run from him during part of the middle rounds... Then Clottey got tired and started taking random breaks... I was not impressed at all... Like it or not that was a rough fight for Clottey... Put him in against Cintron, Judah or Collazo before you even mention Cotto

What about Cotto vs Urkal?

Damn, some of ya'll are just haters.

[BITCH ASS]

If you're going by styles then all you have to do is look at Flores - Clottey and you come to the very easy conclusion that Joshua wouldn't do very well against Cotto, and he would likely take a prety good pounding in the process. Miguel Cotto is just a much better, bigger, quicker handed, harder hitting version of Felix Flores.

Clottey fights in spots for a reason, he has problems with the constant pressure and high work rate of a fighter who gets in close on him can really bring it to him. Clottey didn't look bad in the Flores fight by any means, but what Felix did do is further exploited some flaws in Clottey that we'd already kind of seen before in the Corrales and Margarito fights.

I wouldn't be all that surprised if Joshua were to actually hurt Cotto with of those quick sharp uppercuts he throws down the middle. But in the end I can only see a loss for the guy and he'd likely take a good beating in the process because that's what Cotto does to lesser fighters on the inside.

If you're going to use that logic, like I said, watch Cotto vs Urkal.

Urkal used a style similar to Clottey's, but was no where near in the same class and it gave Cotto a hard time.

Cotto looked bad, but at the same time, how do you expect Cotto to get up for Urkal?

And how do you expect Clottey to get up for Flores?

[Caper]

What kind of logic is that? How the hell did Urkal make Cotto look bad? Only thing that urkal proved that night is that he could take a pounding.

Its hard fighting a guy who's best punch is executed with his head :yep

[BITCH ASS]

What kind of logic is that? How the hell did Urkal make Cotto look bad? Only thing that urkal proved that night is that he could take a pounding.

Urkal used a defense similar to Clottey.

Cotto at times was even on the defensive getting backed up by Urkal who was taking Cotto's shots, but just lacked the offensive ability to get Cotto into trouble.

Cotto was just pounding away at Urkal's body with predictable, almost telegraphed left hooks.

Clottey's defense is utilized to fend off that sort of attack.

Do I think Clottey would beat Cotto?

No. But the fight would be hard on both fighters, and Cotto would not just steamroll Clottey.

People talk about how Clottey was forced to be on the defensive, but they never mention that Cotto was taking backward steps against Urkal.

Either way though, in both of these situations, how do you get up for Urkal and Flores?

Guys have off nights.

Cotto doesn't have the style to beat Clottey unblemished. Cotto would win, but he would take a beating.