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The Mighty One
12-08-2008, 11:03 AM
In my opinion these are the elite
(I show the styles they use)
Anderson Silva-- Brazilian Jiu Jitzu, Muay Thai, MMA
Cung Le --Kung Fu/Sanshou, MMA
Fedor Emelianenko --Sambo/Judo, MMA
Manny Pacquiao-- boxing
ufoalf
12-08-2008, 03:22 PM
Lol, I love how fan boys put Cung Le amongst those names.
Cameron
12-08-2008, 04:35 PM
cung lee common he beat a frank shamrock who faught a dumb fight. had frank taken him down he would have subed him.
fedor for mma
roger for bjj
pacman for boxing
buakaw for kickboxing/ muay thai
In my opinion these are the elite
(I show the styles they use)
Anderson Silva-- Brazilian Jiu Jitzu, Muay Thai, MMA
Cung Le --Kung Fu/Sanshou, MMA
Fedor Emelianenko --Sambo/Judo, MMA
Manny Pacquiao-- boxing
If you took Cung Le off that list, I would agree with you.
The Mighty One
12-08-2008, 08:02 PM
If you took Cung Le off that list, I would agree with you.
Why is he not worthy of consideration? Sanshou champion, great collegiate wrestler, undefated MMA record and a tremndous athlete.
ufoalf
12-08-2008, 09:19 PM
Why is he not worthy of consideration? Sanshou champion, great collegiate wrestler, undefated MMA record and a tremndous athlete.
Not a single credible win at 185 to put him even amongst top 10 p4p. As much as I hate Lesnar he has more credibility than Cung Le right now.
sugarngold
12-08-2008, 09:57 PM
In my opinion these are the elite
(I show the styles they use)
Anderson Silva-- Brazilian Jiu Jitzu, Muay Thai, MMA
Cung Le --Kung Fu/Sanshou, MMA
Fedor Emelianenko --Sambo/Judo, MMA
Manny Pacquiao-- boxing
I agree with you, - but you won't find any Cung Le appreciation on this forum. No one here gives credence to his victory over Shamrock and does their best to discredit it.
GSP and BJ Penn certainly deserve consideration amongst the best fighters in the world. Both of those guys are peaking right now. Their fight will go a long way towards establishing one or the other near the top of the P4P rankings.
sugarngold
12-08-2008, 09:59 PM
cung lee common he beat a frank shamrock who faught a dumb fight. had frank taken him down he would have subed him.
fedor for mma
roger for bjj
pacman for boxing
buakaw for kickboxing/ muay thai
No, Frank fought his fight and got punished for it. He fought just like has every fight for the past ten years and Cung Le showed he was the better man that night.
Why is he not worthy of consideration? Sanshou champion, great collegiate wrestler, undefated MMA record and a tremndous athlete.
Is he a top amateur wrestler today? No. Is he a boxing champion? No. He is a K1 Grand Prix champion? No. Is he an MMA champion? No. He hasn't accomplished half of that the guys you posted with him have in their respective sport. He's got a long way to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as the creme de la creme.
I'm not saying he's not a good athlete. He's just not an elite MMA fighter at this point. There are very few elite MMA fighters, and he's just not on my radar.
Cameron
12-09-2008, 02:30 AM
No, Frank fought his fight and got punished for it. He fought just like has every fight for the past ten years and Cung Le showed he was the better man that night.
frank has a great sub game and on the mat would have beaten cung but he has an ego that man him keep the fight standing and he pained for it. on the mat cung wouldnt have lasted with him.
dwilson
12-09-2008, 04:00 AM
Cung Le? Jeez that is pure fanboy talk.
The Mighty One
12-09-2008, 05:49 PM
I have watched hundreds (if not thousands) of fights and I think Cung Le is very competitive with Anderson Silva
ufoalf
12-09-2008, 05:51 PM
frank has a great sub game and on the mat would have beaten cung but he has an ego that man him keep the fight standing and he pained for it. on the mat cung wouldnt have lasted with him.
They've trained together and Frank always had hard time taking Cung Le down. Cung Le was just the better figher. It has nothing to do with ego.
Polymath
12-09-2008, 06:48 PM
They've trained together and Frank always had hard time taking Cung Le down. Cung Le was just the better figher. It has nothing to do with ego.
Good point. If Frank could have taken him down he would :good
Beebs
12-09-2008, 06:53 PM
Why is he not worthy of consideration? Sanshou champion, great collegiate wrestler, undefated MMA record and a tremndous athlete.
He was a SanShou champion, but he beat Shonie Carter for the belt. I don't believe he ever won the world championship, which is an amateur tournament, though.
So it would make sense to list him as being one of the best San Shou fighters, but he doesn't fight San Shou anymore that I am aware of.
Cameron
12-09-2008, 08:08 PM
They've trained together and Frank always had hard time taking Cung Le down. Cung Le was just the better figher. It has nothing to do with ego.
cung lee is and was the better fighter but hes not better on the ground frank in interviews even said that he has been training stand up and he just wanted to prove that he was able to strike with him. that stupid decision as well as not abandoming that game plan to me says that his ego was involved. still cung lee is untested on the ground and would be beaten by most on the mat. he has good wrestling but hes one dementional that to me means he shouldnt be metioned with the sports greatest.
applez
12-10-2008, 01:45 AM
cung le...rofl
ufoalf
12-10-2008, 02:55 AM
cung lee is and was the better fighter but hes not better on the ground frank in interviews even said that he has been training stand up and he just wanted to prove that he was able to strike with him. that stupid decision as well as not abandoming that game plan to me says that his ego was involved. still cung lee is untested on the ground and would be beaten by most on the mat. he has good wrestling but hes one dementional that to me means he shouldnt be metioned with the sports greatest.
Frank sounds like he was making excuses. Simple as that. He tried to take Cung Le down but failed.
I never said Cung Le is better than Frank on the ground nor do I by any means put Cung Le in top 20 p4p.
sugarngold
12-10-2008, 09:55 PM
Is he a top amateur wrestler today? No. Is he a boxing champion? No. He is a K1 Grand Prix champion? No. Is he an MMA champion? No. He hasn't accomplished half of that the guys you posted with him have in their respective sport. He's got a long way to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as the creme de la creme.
I'm not saying he's not a good athlete. He's just not an elite MMA fighter at this point. There are very few elite MMA fighters, and he's just not on my radar.
Cung's record from Wiki:
Cung Le is undefeated in his professional Sanshou ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) career (17-0-0). He has won three US Open International Martial Arts Championships (1994, 1995,1996). He has also won 4 US National Championships (Orlando, Florida 1994, Dallas, TX, 1995, Baltimore, MD, 1997). He earned three bronze medals in his amateur San Shou ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) world competition. He has been a three-time captain of the United States ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) teams that competed and was the U.S. ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) team captain at the World Martial Arts Championships ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in 1997 (Italy ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) and 1999 (Hong Kong ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). On 15 December ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 2001 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he defeated Shonie Carter ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) by unanimous decision in San Jose, California ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) to win the IKF ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Pro Light-Heavyweight San Shou World Title. In May 2003, Le entered into K-1 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) competitions where he garnered a 3-0 career record, including 1 knockout.
The Mighty One
12-11-2008, 07:42 AM
Cung's record from Wiki:
Cung Le is undefeated in his professional Sanshou ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) career (17-0-0). He has won three US Open International Martial Arts Championships (1994, 1995,1996). He has also won 4 US National Championships (Orlando, Florida 1994, Dallas, TX, 1995, Baltimore, MD, 1997). He earned three bronze medals in his amateur San Shou ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) world competition. He has been a three-time captain of the United States ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) teams that competed and was the U.S. ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) team captain at the World Martial Arts Championships ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in 1997 (Italy ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) and 1999 (Hong Kong ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). On 15 December ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 2001 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he defeated Shonie Carter ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) by unanimous decision in San Jose, California ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) to win the IKF ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Pro Light-Heavyweight San Shou World Title. In May 2003, Le entered into K-1 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) competitions where he garnered a 3-0 career record, including 1 knockout.
Why do people throw down on Le?
I would say that his accomplishments are impressive!!
He is competitive with Anderson Silva.
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