Carlos Monzon .Vs. Bob Foster

[la-califa]

What would have happened if Carlos Monzon would have moved up to 175. To Challenge LightHeavyweight Kingpin Bob Foster? 15 Rounds.

[GPater11093]

i think bob foster would have had to much for monzon who would be a bit too slow for him and i honestly think he wouldnt be good moving up a weight

[Silver]

foster by ko

[GPater11093]

silver i dont think he would KO monzon i think Monzon would be able to take his shots and cover up enough not to be stopped

[Silver]

silver i dont think he would KO monzon i think Monzon would be able to take his shots and cover up enough not to be stopped
theres a chance he goes the distance but foster at some point will overwhelm him. think monzon at least hits the canvas

[GPater11093]

i think monzon could hit the canvas in the fight and maybe be rocked but i think he would have the will to get up and the professional tricks to stay in there

[Silver]

i think monzon could hit the canvas in the fight and maybe be rocked but i think he would have the will to get up and the professional tricks to stay in there
you coulds be right. just that he was never a slick fighter or that ath;etic which usually hepls you survive against a physically stronger but he was crafty as hell so that could allow him to see the final bell.

[GPater11093]

thats what i think he would hold and just generally use his ring smarts to stay out of trouble when hurt

[la-califa]

thats what i think he would hold and just generally use his ring smarts to stay out of trouble when hurt But if Monzon were to get hurt, Foster was a devistating puncher.

[the cobra]

Monzon and Foster were similar in the fact that I don't see either having too much success against bigger men, but for fighters their own size or smaller, they are a nightmare to overcome.

Foster is obviously bigger than Monzon, he would have taken away the majority of Monzon's usual advantages, and would most likely have stopped him late, or scored a rather wide decision if Monzon was able to go the distance.

[round15]

Foster by KO inside the 15 round distance. Monzon probably does a solid job of tying up Foster's left hook for a few rounds and may land some solid shots throughout the fight. Sooner or later he gets stopped when Foster starts to land his right.

[he grant]

No one under heavyweight took Foster's shots ... Monzon was a great middleweight, Foster a great light heavy and a terrible match up style wise for Carlos ...

[WhataRock]

I think Monzon would have made a very good lightheavy.

Not good enough to beat a guy like Foster though, who IMO at his best could beat just about anyone in a H2H matchup at the weight.

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE=Monzon would have had his head damn near removed inside of 5 rds as Foster would have been as mean as any time in his history like against Vincent Rondon who he really tried to put in the hospital as he hated the guy.

[Sardu]

Foster by TKO.

[KOTF]

Foster is arrested for manslaughter after this one

[Tony_Jones]

Foster had a solid jab and truly crippling power. I mean SERIOUS power! Foster by KO.

[red cobra]

Monzon was not suited for this division or this opponent in Foster, as Hagler was not suited for the same division or it's champion Michael Spinks. It's why the divisions were set up the way they are..and some fighters wisely were able to discern where they were at their best.

[laxpdx]

Foster too strong, he will be able to do what Valdez and Briscoe could not.

[young griffo]

Monzon was not suited for this division or this opponent in Foster, as Hagler was not suited for the same division or it's champion Michael Spinks. It's why the divisions were set up the way they are..and some fighters wisely were able to discern where they were at their best.
Monzon was a lean 6ft or therabouts and would've been able to make Lt Heavy just like Hopkins,if he so desired imo whereas Hagler was a solid 5'9 and ill suited to jump up in weight especially against a huge Lt Heavy like Spinks.

Monzon's being content to thrash smaller middles and men coming up in weight but not being so willing to mix it up with the big men,makes me wonder if there wasn't a touch of bully about him actually.:think

Still a great fighter but seeing him in the mix against the great 70's Lt Heavies could've really increased his standing to that of a Robinson or Charles I reckon.

[he grant]

silver i dont think he would KO monzon i think Monzon would be able to take his shots and cover up enough not to be stopped

No one takes his shots of a prime Foster that is not a full heavy .. Monzon was not exceptionally fast and would get hit ... not good for Carlos ... Foster by stoppage ...

[itrymariti]

Monzon was definitely reliant on his size/strength advantage. He used them excellently with some rare skills, but that was the basis of his style.

[TommyV]

silver i dont think he would KO monzon i think Monzon would be able to take his shots and cover up enough not to be stopped

There's no shame in getting stopped by a devasting puncher like Foster, particularly when moving up 15lbs in weight. Monzon of course had a very good chin, but we are talking about a guy with not just good power for a division a stone above Monzon's, but brutal power.

[Boxed Ears]

What is it, itrymariti's birthday or something? Foster, if not by stoppage then by early-senility-inducing beating. Although the longer it goes on, the more of a chance Monzon has at adjust-i-n-g and doing something freakishly spectacular, befitting his legend status but I find it less probable than a Foster victory.


Edit: Why would they put asterisks in the middle of adjust+ing? I had to put dashes in it.

[itrymariti]

What is it, itrymariti's birthday or something? Foster, if not by stoppage then by early-senility-inducing beating. Although the longer it goes on, the more of a chance Monzon has at adjust-i-n-g and doing something freakishly spectacular, befitting his legend status but I find it less probable than a Foster victory.


Edit: Why would they put asterisks in the middle of adjust+ing? I had to put dashes in it.

You know the naughty streaming website which has those letters in its URL?

[Boxed Ears]

You know the naughty streaming website which has those letters in its URL?

Well...no, I don't. :lol: I've rarely used streams.

[PowerPuncher]

I'm not sure on this match up, just because a man hasnt fought bigger men doesn't mean he can't but he might not be able to. Monzon strikes me as someone reliant on being the bigger man with strength advantages, which if true hurts him here being the smaller man, but maybe he can adapt.

Didnt Monzon supposedly beat Frazier up in sparring (I know its ONLY sparring)

[Duodenum]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Carlos had a heavyweight chin. He is not out jabbing Bob from long range, and Foster demonstrated his championship round stamina with Fourie 2X, Finnegan and Anderson. Monzon might have some success utilizing movement to outmaneuver Bob, but this would be a transient success. (If you want a visual representation of the height and reach difference, Mike Quarry was about same as Carlos. Monzon did not have Mike's foot speed though.) Carlos had excellent survival skills and recuperative powers, so he might be able to last the distance, but his jab and hook are not comparable to Foster's.

[turpinr]

Foster had a solid jab and truly crippling power. I mean SERIOUS power! Foster by KO.:good around 2 rounds would do.

[red cobra]

Monzon was not cut out for the lightheavyweight division, as Foster was not cut out for the heavyweight division...and BTW. one persistant internet myth just won't go away..that Monzon and Joe Frazier sparred....it never happened.

[turpinr]

Monzon was not cut out for the lightheavyweight division, as Foster was not cut out for the heavyweight division...and BTW. one persistant internet myth just won't go away..that Monzon and Joe Frazier sparred....it never happened.:good100% correct mate.
at he same time, early 70's, jose napoles a world class welter stepped up in weight to challenge monzon.........and was crushed.as you say foster got pummelled by frazier and monzon would have been hammered by foster.no doubt

[PowerPuncher]

Monzon was not cut out for the lightheavyweight division, as Foster was not cut out for the heavyweight division...and BTW. one persistant internet myth just won't go away..that Monzon and Joe Frazier sparred....it never happened.

I'll take it as red from a Monzon fan, but how do we know it never happened? Is it a dodgy source?

[red cobra]

:good100% correct mate.
at he same time, early 70's, jose napoles a world class welter stepped up in weight to challenge monzon.........and was crushed.as you say foster got pummelled by frazier and monzon would have been hammered by foster.no doubt
Napoles was another example..and I know that there were many who believed his foray into the 160 lb. class was justified based on his great ability and dominance as the 147 lb champ and not on whether he was ideally suited to the middleweight division.

[red cobra]

I'll take it as red from a Monzon fan, but how do we know it never happened? Is it a dodgy source?
Two Monzon myths that are false but still live on...
1. Monzon was 6'-2" tall...FALSE, he was 5'-11-1/2" tall
2. Monzon sparred with Joe Frazier...FALSE, it never happened..and some common sense should tell you that...nowhere will you find a factual account of Monzon and Frazier sparring..and especially of Frazier being shown up or dominated by the 160 lb. king, even an alltime great one like Monzon. The negative press on that would have been blown up to gargantuan proportions, especially by that most vocal of Frazier's opponents, Muhammad Ali.

[PowerPuncher]

Two Monzon myths that are false but still live on...
1. Monzon was 6'-2" tall...FALSE, he was 5'-11-1/2" tall
2. Monzon sparred with Joe Frazier...FALSE, it never happened..and some common sense should tell you that...nowhere will you find a factual account of Monzon and Frazier sparring..and especially of Frazier being shown up or dominated by the 160 lb. king, even an alltime great one like Monzon. The negative press on that would have been blown up to gargantuan proportions, especially by that most vocal of Frazier's opponents, Muhammad Ali.

Sparring is usually different to fighting though my friend. When I've spared, I don't hit smaller men with any real force in sparring and pulled my punches. In such a situation a smaller man can often look better because the bigger man goes easy on them. Phili fighters take sparing more seriously traditionally although I'd expect the same unwritten rule to stand firm all the same

Not saying it happened just saying

[red cobra]

Sparring is usually different to fighting though my friend. When I've spared, I don't hit smaller men with any real force in sparring and pulled my punches. In such a situation a smaller man can often look better because the bigger man goes easy on them. Phili fighters take sparing more seriously traditionally although I'd expect the same unwritten rule to stand firm all the same

Not saying it happened just saying
Yes PowerPuncher, trust me, I know sparring is different from the real fight..but all the same, don't you think that a story like that, of Frazier and Monzon sparring together would have generated a much bigger story in boxing lore? Monzon, by the way, was very unique in his manner of training, esp. sparring. He never engaged in gym wars...thinking that it was foolish, and he actually said that he would tell young fighters not to do that sort of thing, because they leave too much of themselves in that ring in the gym. Frazier, on the other hand, being a Philly fighter at heart, no doubt expended more effort in gym battles.

[BUDW]

B.F. to much power for a game Monzon Ko 8th rd

[Sardu]

Foster too big and powerful for King Carlos.

[TheGreatA]

Yes PowerPuncher, trust me, I know sparring is different from the real fight..but all the same, don't you think that a story like that, of Frazier and Monzon sparring together would have generated a much bigger story in boxing lore? Monzon, by the way, was very unique in his manner of training, esp. sparring. He never engaged in gym wars...thinking that it was foolish, and he actually said that he would tell young fighters not to do that sort of thing, because they leave too much of themselves in that ring in the gym. Frazier, on the other hand, being a Philly fighter at heart, no doubt expended more effort in gym battles.

Very true. From what I've heard, Frazier used to go all out in sparring, just ask Larry Holmes. Monzon on the other hand took it very easy in sparring. I doubt there's any truth to the Monzon-Frazier rumour, where did it even start?

[red cobra]

Very true. From what I've heard, Frazier used to go all out in sparring, just ask Larry Holmes. Monzon on the other hand took it very easy in sparring. I doubt there's any truth to the Monzon-Frazier rumour, where did it even start?
I don't know, but it can't be true...you can create any kind of internet legend, especially about two fighters, one who's dead and another who's not too articulate in his old age...you know it never happened if you've followed boxing over the years...and if it was such a bad showing for Frazier, as the legend goes, then I'm sure that would have been a newsmaker, and today it would be somewhere on the internet and it isn't.

[terminator-c]

Skip to 2 minutes into this video of the build-up for Hagler vs Scypion to hear Vito Antuefermo say that Monzon ko'd Frazier in sparring.

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[PowerPuncher]

Skip to 2 minutes into this video of the build-up for Hagler vs Scypion to hear Vito Antuefermo say that Monzon ko'd Frazier in sparring.

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Great find, think this deserves a new thread