why does froch think he can beat calzaghe? [Archive]

Benjiabc

12-08-2008, 04:45 PM

MightyLondoner

12-08-2008, 04:48 PM

I think its because he knows the fight is never going to happen. But if it did Calzaghe would give him a schooling.

FLINT ISLAND

12-08-2008, 04:48 PM

who knows what goes on inside a fighters head

I ask the same question of

why does David Haye think he can beat Vitali Klitshko?

I think Froch beating Calzaghe is alot better chance than Haye beating Vitali

Calzaghe cant break a egg at world level these days

Froch has a very good chin

and probaly punches harder than Joe

younger

fresher

hungrier

there are many factors why Froch has a live chance in this fight

Lacy fight was Calzaghes pinnacle...........he wont reach that again

cityofgod

12-08-2008, 04:49 PM

Nobody is unbeatable Benji.

Absolutely nobody.

Froch is what's known as a live underdog in this fight.

And to say he would get Lacy'd ? dont me make piss.

Benjiabc

12-08-2008, 04:54 PM

Nobody is unbeatable Benji.

Absolutely nobody.

Froch is what's known as a live underdog in this fight.

And to say he would get Lacy'd ? dont me make piss.

come on now,noone is more biased towards froch then me but lets be real here. froch can take a punch. thats great, he has power, thats great. but calzaghe would hit him so many times from so many angles froch would not keep up. froch is so easy to hit for someone with calzaghes speed and accuracy, if calzaghe fought froch, i can tell you now it would not be far off the performance he put in against lacy due to the fact froch is so open, calzaghe would win the battle of the jabs which really is frochs main weapon. froch has no footwork and his stamina looked far from great, seriously if calzaghe fought froch you would be very surprised

bigG

12-08-2008, 08:32 PM

froch should never mention calzaghe again...be careful what ya wish for, ya might get it.....froch could hav a good career, and exciting one, make good money, travel the world..or he could fight joe next and get battered.......

no brainer, surely????

ryanm8655

12-08-2008, 08:44 PM

lol...froch would get schooled...anyone that thinks otherwise is deluded...I like froch and have followed him throughout his career but he's no calzaghe...I honestly do not think he hits as hard as kessler and he would not handle Calzaghe's pace or skillset...

I would bet on a wide ud/shut out or late tko in favour of Calzaghe due to accumulation...

JonOli

12-08-2008, 08:50 PM

It's amazing how every fight Calzaghe is supposed to keep "schooling" and "lacying" everyone. The guy had big problems with Robin Reid, more recently Bika, and a 43 year old Hopkins made him look ridiculously amateur at times.

ryanm8655

12-08-2008, 08:59 PM

Had problems with reid how many years ago? And in what circumstances?

Bika is a problem for anyone...dirty fighter and Clazaghe won clearly despite being butted at will...

Hopkins is a bit better than Froch don't you think? And I wouldn't say he made him look ridiculous at any point...maybe dented his pride a bit when he put him down in the first round...

I like Froch don't get me wrong and I don't want to come across a hater as I support all british fighters but he hasn't got the ability to trouble Calzaghe...he has no guard...isn't particularly quick...has a decent punch and a decent jab but Calzaghe would out jab him and land at will with his lack of guard...Calzaghe would beat him up...

The fight would do sod all for Calzaghe and would ruin Froch...

Lets see Froch Taylor first eh...

JonOli

12-08-2008, 09:06 PM

I think Calzaghe would win easy, but things are often not the way you think they would turn out. You suggest Taylor, but to be honest that's a name Calzaghe should have enticed up in weight, and done and dusted... Taylor is a slipery customer, yet the "stationary", "defenseless" Froch is supposed to deal with him... while Joe blows the cobwebs off the likes of Roy Jones.

ryanm8655

12-08-2008, 09:17 PM

I don't think Froch would beat Taylor...but I could be wrong...but I think that's the biggest fight Froch is going to get since Taylor is his mandatory, I would want Froch to win though!

RJJ was shot yes, but the feeling was Calzaghe had already proved himself. I would've liked to see him fight Pavlik as he would've done to him what Hopkins did perhaps more and he would've been the one getting the credit for it...

I'm not a Calzaghe nuthugger either...I think the guy is an awesome boxer and among britain's greats but I still feel there is more to be done to cement his status as an ATG. I beleive he is one but his resume does let him down when compared to other ATG's like hopkin's. But then even his can be scrutinised to some extent...But I don't know who he can fight to do that...Froch certainly isn't the man and if he fought and beat Hopkin's again people would just say he is an old man...Chad Dawson is just another up and comer but perhaps Joe's best chance since he could become something special after Calzaghe retires but then would people then argue he was green?

JonOli

12-08-2008, 09:31 PM

I pretty much agree with all you say.

... having said that Dawson is not a figher who is green now or going to get better in his mid 30's though imo. His peak will be over the next few years.. as he relies a fair bit on physical atributes...

onourway

12-08-2008, 09:37 PM

JonOli

12-08-2008, 09:53 PM

I'm not a big Calzaghe fan, but I think Froch actually would get 'Lacy'd'

A slow slugger who fights with his hands down and has no head movement is perfect for Calzaghe.

It's not even as if Froch has an equaliser, he's not that powerful.

120 - 108.

How many opponents has Calzaghe "lacy'd", and what was the name of the guy he "Lacy'd"?

Personally I think he will "Lacy" him but when you look at the cold hard fact Joe has not "Lacy'd" many fighters, and he has fought a lot of very average ones. Things are never as clear as you think they are. Froch can bang, (Joe leaves himself open at times, and gets tagged a fair bit) and Froch is still an unknown quantity. Pascal may well go on to be better then anyone thinks he is...

To be honest though I think this fight is a bit of a non starter...

Just to reiterate, I would very clearly favour Calzaghe to win...

LiamE

12-08-2008, 10:02 PM

does anyone agree with him, i like froch alot and i always support my local hero, but calzaghe would dismantle froch, he would lacy him, too me even at this stage in his career calzaghe easily beats froch. does anyone think froch can beat calzaghe?

Your premise is wrong. Its not that he thinks he can beat Calzaghe its just he knows win or lose its the biggest payday out there for him. He might earn more fighting Joe than he does in the rest of his career without Joe if his career goes badly. Add to that the massive exposure whether or not he wins and its a no brainer for him.

For the record joe has too much speed, durability, skill and stamina for Carl.

onourway

12-08-2008, 10:08 PM

He didn't have to Lacy people, he had KO power once upon a time.

He's a feather fist now, so he has to deliver sustained beatings with open palms. When he has been taken the distance, he has shut out a lot of them.

Jones got Lacy'd after round one.

The reason I think Froch will get beat so badly is because he comes to fight, he doesn't spoil, he doesn't clinch and everything about him just suits Calzaghe so much.

If I knew Froch was going to come and spoil, then I'd change my prediction from a 'Lacying' to just a normal loss, but I don't think Froch will, so he'll get slapped from pillar to post.

JonOli

12-08-2008, 10:15 PM

He didn't have to Lacy people, he had KO power once upon a time.

A guy with genuine KO power occasionally at least knocks people down for ten the count, Calzaghe has never ever been able to do that.

JonOli

12-08-2008, 10:18 PM

Jones got Lacy'd after round one.

No comment.

slapsSOgood

12-09-2008, 06:08 AM

A guy with genuine KO power occasionally at least knocks people down for ten the count, Calzaghe has never ever been able to do that.

what? he used to have a brutal straight left.

12-09-2008, 06:13 AM

I luv the term "Lacy'd". :lol:

cityofgod

12-09-2008, 06:20 AM

12-09-2008, 06:23 AM

The last 2 fights Calzaghe has been dropped and neither yank tried to capitalise on it.

Jones especially had Joe hurt, yet stood off !

Can't see Froch standing there still when the ref waves the fight back on, he would be on it like a car bonnet.

Froch would get his ears boxed off, Joe can ship hard shots, he has been in their with some huge punchers. In fact he always comes back better from a knockdown.

SeasideSlugger

12-09-2008, 06:35 AM

He'd have a chance. Not sure who JC would fight next if he carries on unless he carries on his legends tour and kicks the shit out of SRL!

toffeejack

12-09-2008, 07:33 AM

He knows he could earn a lot of money from the fight so you can't blame the guy for calling Calzaghe out.

I agree though, Calzaghe would make him look stupid over 12 rounds.

Max Molyneux

12-09-2008, 07:39 AM

Because Hennessey fighters Inherit their promoters ego.

Max Molyneux

12-09-2008, 07:43 AM

The last 2 fights Calzaghe has been dropped and neither yank tried to capitalise on it.

Jones especially had Joe hurt, yet stood off !

Can't see Froch standing there still when the ref waves the fight back on, he would be on it like a car bonnet.

The Jones KD didn't hurt him and It was a forearm that landed on Joe's chin.

The Hopkins KD was because of Hopkins going to hold after the punch. The punch didn't cause the KD.

saturday_kid

12-09-2008, 07:49 AM

The last 2 fights Calzaghe has been dropped and neither yank tried to capitalise on it.

Jones especially had Joe hurt, yet stood off !

Can't see Froch standing there still when the ref waves the fight back on, he would be on it like a car bonnet.

I agree i'd give him more a chance than a lot of people seem to be, its extremely unlikely that Calazaghe would drop Froch, and yes he might be schooling him for 12 rounds but theres always that chance that Froch can find the KO imo.

JonOli

12-09-2008, 08:13 AM

The Hopkins KD was because of Hopkins going to hold after the punch. The punch didn't cause the KD.

From the camera angle behind it perhaps looks that way but if you watch it from all angles it is clearly a legitimate knockdown.

Rebel-INS

12-09-2008, 08:15 AM

The last 2 fights Calzaghe has been dropped and neither yank tried to capitalise on it.

Jones especially had Joe hurt, yet stood off !

Can't see Froch standing there still when the ref waves the fight back on, he would be on it like a car bonnet.

The difference is you can see Froch's punches coming a mile off and he has very little handspeed.
I can't see him landing a punch that Calzaghe doesn't see coming.

JonOli

12-09-2008, 08:18 AM

Frochs jab appears to have a little bit of speed compared to his other shots. It's not lightning though I admit.:D

Rebel-INS

12-09-2008, 08:18 AM

Also why are people still calling Hopkins a soft opponent and past it? I konw Pavlik was overrated, but he still beat Taylor twice and Hopkins absolutely schooled him.
He may be 43, but he's still the most skillful fighter in the game.

12-09-2008, 08:33 AM

Calzaghe Vs Hopkins II is a very hard sell...

SeasideSlugger

12-09-2008, 09:18 AM

Calzaghe Vs Hopkins II is a very hard sell...

Don't think i'd bother, good fighter Hopkins but Joe just seems to have been on a sort of victory lap recently.

......saying that it'd probably come round and i'd think "A[Only registered and activated users can see links] sod it i'll stop up!"

ja7400

12-09-2008, 02:09 PM

I think Froch's only chance of beating Calzaghe is an early round knockdown followed by sustained pressure straight after. Once the fight moved into the middle to later rounds then it would be Calzaghe's.

The fight will never happen though.

HOF

12-09-2008, 07:14 PM

The fight will never happen though.

Wouldn't be so sure about that. From what I've heard Froch may actually get his wish in Oct/Nov 09 as things have moved fairly quickly on a Froch-Taylor bout in April. HBO have hung a 2 fight deal in front of Calzaghe and so the Taylor-Froch winner would be in a prime position to fill the second fight slot if Calzaghe does accept the deal. Froch's bank balance would be a winner whether he thinks he can beat calzaghe or not.

JonOli

12-09-2008, 07:56 PM

Froch is unwilling to go to 175, as he actually walks around at 168 his fighting weight - which is perhaps not the case of many fighters. I can't see Calzaghe going out of his way to accommodate Froch, and moving back down to 168.

JonOli

12-09-2008, 08:03 PM

He has but he weighed in well short of the weight limit.

He states he is unwilling to go to 175 to face Calzaghe.

ScouseLad

12-10-2008, 07:35 AM

He said it the other day, I cant be arsed to hunt for a link but Jon is right.

Think he mentioned maybe a catchweight but defo not 175

Benjiabc

12-10-2008, 07:45 AM

Grant1

12-10-2008, 08:10 AM

Froch said he'll accomodate Joe and fight at 172 :lol:

12-10-2008, 08:30 AM

Froch said he'll accomodate Joe and fight at 172 :lol:

:lol:

draw99

12-10-2008, 08:44 AM

Froch said he'll accomodate Joe and fight at 172 :lol:

Thats pretty funny!

I would definitely have my money on Calzaghe for this one (even me:D)

Although Calzaghe has fought a couple oldies recently, and been knocked down by both. Froch has a much harder punch than (current) B-Hop and Jones so he could get lucky, and would almost certainly have 12 rounds to make that big shot.

I give Calzaghe 75% chance, Froch 25% chance.