Joe Calzaghe's comments on bunce's hour

[SouthpawSlayer]

what a dick is all i can say, not once did he say fair play to carl infact it was the exact opposite
i have lost a huge amount of respect for joe today, he called pascal a few things along the lines of untested and overrated, at least he wasn't shot for 4 years

[jc]

Why should he give Froch any respect?:huh

[Cobbler]

Pascal wasn't untested?

Who was he tested against?

[SouthpawSlayer]

because its part of the game

he sounded like a jealous little bitch who is running scared

[Pug1list]

JC calling it like it is.

[Cobbler]

Always amazed when people hate on sportspeople for actually being willing to give an opinion.

Do we really want all of them to resemble Alan Shearer giving a postmatch interview?

[SouthpawSlayer]

froch put himself on the line for 12 hard rounds against pascal, bunce said he cant move a he is that fucked from the fight

it was a good fight for boxing, anyone who says he doesnt deserve some respect is a nob head

[46and0]

froch put himself on the line for 12 hard rounds against pascal, bunce said he cant move a he is that fucked from the fight

it was a good fight for boxing, anyone who says he doesnt deserve some respect is a nob head
This is from 2004, just to put into perspective perhaps why Calzaghe has little respect for Froch.

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Carl Froch says he wants the chance to prove he is the best super middleweight in Britain by fighting Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe's trainer and father, Enzo, has said the WBO champion would want £1m for such a fight, but Froch claims the Welshman is running scared.
"Daddy has already priced his son out of the market - he obviously wants none of it," said Froch, the British and Commonwealth title holder.
"Why would he need £1m to fight me if I am just a 14-fight novice, as he said?"
He added: "That's probably three times what he normally earns. Don't tell me he is getting anywhere near that for his next fight against Kabary Salem?
"He obviously thinks Salem is more dangerous than me given that he believes Robin Reid would beat me.
"Reid clearly doesn't think the same - I have offered him a fight on several occasions but he has kept decidedly quiet."
Calzaghe has said the outspoken 27-year-old needs to prove himself on the world stage before thinking about challenging for his WBO belt.
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British and Commonwealth super middleweight champion Carl Froch

And the Newbridge fighter, who makes his 15th title defence against Salem in Edinburgh on 22 October, is currently more concerned with arranging a fight with IBF light heavyweight champion Glen Johnson.
Since winning the British title with a first-round stoppage last month, Froch has certainly set about forcing himself into the minds of the British sporting public.
He recently claimed to be the best sportsman in the country, and the Nottingham man is standing by his claims of sporting greatness.
"Some people seem to have been a bit offended by comments that I am, without exception, Britain's most talented sportsperson, pound-for-pound, sport-for-sport," he said.
"That was never the intention, I was merely speaking the truth. I have more all round attributes than any of the guys I mentioned as an example, including Beckham and Henman.
"I am fitter, faster, stronger and have more bottle.
"If they would like me to demonstrate that - how about a friendly little competition? I am sure the BBC would arrange for us to all go on superstars next year!
"They could even invite Joe Calzaghe as well."

[jc]

because its part of the game

he sounded like a jealous little bitch who is running scared

:lol::roll:

[SouthpawSlayer]

This is from 2004, just to put into perspective perhaps why Calzaghe has little respect for Froch.

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Carl Froch says he wants the chance to prove he is the best super middleweight in Britain by fighting Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe's trainer and father, Enzo, has said the WBO champion would want £1m for such a fight, but Froch claims the Welshman is running scared.
"Daddy has already priced his son out of the market - he obviously wants none of it," said Froch, the British and Commonwealth title holder.
"Why would he need £1m to fight me if I am just a 14-fight novice, as he said?"
He added: "That's probably three times what he normally earns. Don't tell me he is getting anywhere near that for his next fight against Kabary Salem?
"He obviously thinks Salem is more dangerous than me given that he believes Robin Reid would beat me.
"Reid clearly doesn't think the same - I have offered him a fight on several occasions but he has kept decidedly quiet."
Calzaghe has said the outspoken 27-year-old needs to prove himself on the world stage before thinking about challenging for his WBO belt.
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British and Commonwealth super middleweight champion Carl Froch

And the Newbridge fighter, who makes his 15th title defence against Salem in Edinburgh on 22 October, is currently more concerned with arranging a fight with IBF light heavyweight champion Glen Johnson.
Since winning the British title with a first-round stoppage last month, Froch has certainly set about forcing himself into the minds of the British sporting public.
He recently claimed to be the best sportsman in the country, and the Nottingham man is standing by his claims of sporting greatness.
"Some people seem to have been a bit offended by comments that I am, without exception, Britain's most talented sportsperson, pound-for-pound, sport-for-sport," he said.
"That was never the intention, I was merely speaking the truth. I have more all round attributes than any of the guys I mentioned as an example, including Beckham and Henman.
"I am fitter, faster, stronger and have more bottle.
"If they would like me to demonstrate that - how about a friendly little competition? I am sure the BBC would arrange for us to all go on superstars next year!
"They could even invite Joe Calzaghe as well."


i know there has been beef in the past but joe is planning on retirement so imo shouldnt talk crap, froch was looking for a shot at joe back then so pulled these ones

if joe would ko carl in 3 to 4 rounds as he said why would he bother with all the comments

[DamonD]

Lewis hated Bowe but still gave him big credit at the time for the fight with Holyfield in '92.

A little bit of congrats for Calzaghe wouldn't have gone amiss. Even a tiny bit.
Instead it was all mealy-mouthed negativity.

[ScouseLad]

Joe's always been a bit bitter about things. Is he an Everton supporter?!

[PrideOfWales]

I'm a bit disappointed that Calzaghe didn't say even a masked "well done" to Froch because winning the WBC strap is a good achievement.... It took Joe almost a decade to get a shot at it. Also, to dismiss Pascal as a nobody is a bit rich considering some of his own opponents.

However, I echo the sentiments that he made but like Bunce said, maybe he should have chosen different words to use.

The fire still burns for Calzaghe it seems.

[Rebel-INS]

When has Froch gave Calzaghe respect though? You can't go around slagging someone off and expect respect back.

[JonOli]

What has Degale done to Calzaghe, he gets the same treatment?

Trash talk and boxers go hand in hand, but seeing as Joe is done there really is no other point then to be spiteful in trash talking now.

[JonOli]

“There is too much politics in boxing, too many belts and too many champions, which dilutes real champions like myself,” he said. “There are four world champions in each division and it’s bad because there are no stars any more. It’s a big problem.”

Oh the Irony.:roll:

[JonOli]

Froch and Bunce are on 5 live boxing now. I think he is going to be answering back to the criticism.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Calzaghe has always been a spiteful sod.

He said before the Robin Reid fight...........that Reid was jealous because I am better looking than you

Reid quite rightly told him to "grow up"

Calzaghe was being such a twat..........I remeber during a camera / photo shoot a couple of days beofore the fight in some car park .........Robin Reid actually removed his boxing gloves hanging around his neck and went to have a proper scrap with Joe Calzaghe he was that wound up

Calzaghe was to blame...........being a valley boy welsh prick........with a petty mind

He has wised up since them days I think

But underneath deep down..........he is the same spiteful valley boy

Simple reason why he didnt give Froch credit.............he didnt like it that Froch has become WBC Champion

He would have much more liked it if Froch was exposed and beaten

Froch now has something

Wether Calzaghe fights him or not.............Froch is a new star........a new champion

Calzaghe is not pleased for him

Calzaghe should stop slagging off Bute.............he is a unknown qunatity .....he could be very good

Sakio Bika was a dark horse...........we could easily say Calzaghe had a tough fight with a nobodie there

[Brummy1976]

i know there has been beef in the past but joe is planning on retirement so imo shouldnt talk crap, froch was looking for a shot at joe back then so pulled these ones

if joe would ko carl in 3 to 4 rounds as he said why would he bother with all the commentsYou'd think with retirement looming he'd have mellowed abit.Froch has also been bigging calzaghe up of late.Did'nt sit well with me at all, thought he was a prick to be honest !

[Brummy1976]

Calzaghe has always been a spiteful sod.

He said before the Robin Reid fight...........that Reid was jealous because I am better looking than you

Reid quite rightly told him to "grow up"

Calzaghe was being such a twat..........I remeber during a camera / photo shoot a couple of days beofore the fight in some car park .........Robin Reid actually removed his boxing gloves hanging around his neck and went to have a proper scrap with Joe Calzaghe he was that wound up

Calzaghe was to blame...........being a valley boy welsh prick........with a petty mind

He has wised up since them days I think

But underneath deep down..........he is the same spiteful valley boy

Simple reason why he didnt give Froch credit.............he didnt like it that Froch has become WBC Champion

He would have much more liked it if Froch was exposed and beaten

Froch now has something

Wether Calzaghe fights him or not.............Froch is a new star........a new champion

Calzaghe is not pleased for him

Calzaghe should stop slagging off Bute.............he is a unknown qunatity .....he could be very good

Sakio Bika was a dark horse...........we could easily say Calzaghe had a tough fight with a nobodie thereSpot on flint !

[JonOli]

Froch and Bunce are on 5 live boxing now. I think he is going to be answering back to the criticism.


Joes getting a roasting :D

[PrideOfWales]

To be honest, I thought Calzaghe justified his comments well when the whole interview is played. I agree that he doesn't need to slag Froch off to the extent that he has done but he's absolutely correct when he says that this was both Froch and Pascals's first and so far only, world title fight so what has he done to deserve a shot?

On this same 5live show, Froch labelled Calzaghe "thick", "stupid" and "slaps his way through fights". That was not to be criticized.

[Beatboxer]

Froch has been giving Calzaghe shit since like 2004/2005.

JC is entitled to give a little back, and we all know that he has a few good points with regards to Froch...does anyone really think he could beat Calzaghe? How much would it mean to Joes legacy?

I wouldn't mind seeing the fight as it's a big domestic clash, and the win could potentially appreciate with time....but I'd much rather see a fight with a much more worthy contender in Chad Dawson.

[PrideOfWales]

Froch has been giving Calzaghe shit since like 2004/2005.

JC is entitled to give a little back, and we all know that he has a few good points with regards to Froch...does anyone really think he could beat Calzaghe? How much would it mean to Joes legacy?

I wouldn't mind seeing the fight as it's a big domestic clash, and the win could potentially appreciate with time....but I'd much rather see a fight with a much more worthy contender in Chad Dawson.

Agreed. I can't believe how much shit Calzaghe's getting at the moment for basically speaking his mind. Joe's is just saying what he sees and there's certainly no bullshitting about it. Joe did say that it was an entertaining fight which was enjoyable to watch. He's just saying that he's not on his radar by any way, shape or form.

It is what it is...

[cityofgod]

I think people are starting to realise that Froch is actually a decent bloke, wheras Joe, who has recently cultured this 'personality' is actually showing his true colours.

People say Joe is not like his father, but i think it's plainly obvious that his ego is huge and he is a misery.

You can put people down in a funny, witty way - like Ali did and I believe some of the stuff that Froch has came out with is pretty funny.

Wheras Calzaghe dont have a funny bone in his body.

I remember after he fought Hopkins, in the post-fight conference Calzaghe said that 'he tripped' in the first round. He was obviously trying to emulate Ricky's post-Mayweather wise crack.... except the audience didn't get it. They just looked at him wondering what he was on about.

Calzaghe may beat Froch, but he wouldn't do it excitingly. He would slap and cuff his way to a points win. But all the good shots would come from Froch.

I'd rather watch the next 3 Froch fights than the next 3 Calzaghe fights.

Joe's technique and all round persona leaves me cold. The legend killer... lmao.

And dont start me on about his ridiculous 'showboating' which consists of gurning and wiggling his arse.

[PrideOfWales]

I think people are starting to realise that Froch is actually a decent bloke, wheras Joe, who has recently cultured this 'personality' is actually showing his true colours.

People say Joe is not like his father, but i think it's plainly obvious that his ego is huge and he is a misery.

You can put people down in a funny, witty way - like Ali did and I believe some of the stuff that Froch has came out with is pretty funny.

Wheras Calzaghe dont have a funny bone in his body.

I remember after he fought Hopkins, in the post-fight conference Calzaghe said that 'he tripped' in the first round. He was obviously trying to emulate Ricky's post-Mayweather wise crack.... except the audience didn't get it. They just looked at him wondering what he was on about.

Calzaghe may beat Froch, but he wouldn't do it excitingly. He would slap and cuff his way to a points win. But all the good shots would come from Froch.

I'd rather watch the next 3 Froch fights than the next 3 Calzaghe fights.

Joe's technique and all round persona leaves me cold. The legend killer... lmao.

And dont start me on about his ridiculous 'showboating' which consists of gurning and wiggling his arse.

There's a simple solution for you then... Stop watching his fights and going to his press conferences.

[BazRandall]

You'd think with retirement looming he'd have mellowed abit.Froch has also been bigging calzaghe up of late.Did'nt sit well with me at all, thought he was a prick to be honest !


There's the problem he's retiring and its gonna hurt him more that he's willing to have us know. i'm a massive calzaghe fan and don't think back then froch had done enough to get a shot but after the slugfest saturday he now deserves a crack, i imo think calzaghe would have the tools to beat froch he has no defence and hangs his chin out, though i doubt calzaghe would stop him 3-4 rounds.

Still all the comments were to wind froch up for the mouthing he's done in the past

[Joe Pirrelly]

Froch correctly slated Calzaghe back in 2004 for those 'defences' and recently had cooled off some, but the fire's been stoked again now. Think Joe would win but everyone on here's correct in saying some congratulations was justified for a fight that did a big favour to the sport of boxing and on terrestrial too. What a fight! And to make out that Pascal is no good is awful from Joe. Pascal is a brilliant fighter who got it right for 12 rounds the other week, fought the fight of his life and will come again. Pascal Calzaghe would definately have been competative.

[Anthony Farnell]

This is hardly shocking.
Calzaghe is a very good boxer but he's a very dull and at times spiteful character.
Watching the HBO 24/7 thing was cringeworthy at times and any time he goes on talk shows :lol:

[Betty Swollocks]

it's no secret Calzaghe is a total prick. He only wants old and shot fighters these day too.
2 years ago 'I won't fight Jones now, he's shot'
a few months ago 'Jones is an ATG and 4 weight champion, a legend..I'll fight him'

case closed.

[SouthpawSlayer]

james toneys belly button in that photo is fucking huge the fat slob

[Bodysnatcher]

Flint Island has a point, Calzaghe is one spiteful dude. I think he harbours a lot of resentments but, as as been pointed out before, if he was an average amiable bloke, maybe he wouldn't have the same drive to keep winning and proving people wrong.

Calzaghe should acknowledge Froch's achievements, but, slight aside here, am I wrong in thinking that Froch winning the WBC belt, while fantastic, is less of an achievement than Glenn Catley going to Germany to win the same belt off Markus Beyer 8 years ago?

Was there ever any noise for Calzaghe to fight Catley back then?

[SouthpawSlayer]

I think people are starting to realise that Froch is actually a decent bloke, wheras Joe, who has recently cultured this 'personality' is actually showing his true colours.

People say Joe is not like his father, but i think it's plainly obvious that his ego is huge and he is a misery.

You can put people down in a funny, witty way - like Ali did and I believe some of the stuff that Froch has came out with is pretty funny.

Wheras Calzaghe dont have a funny bone in his body.

I remember after he fought Hopkins, in the post-fight conference Calzaghe said that 'he tripped' in the first round. He was obviously trying to emulate Ricky's post-Mayweather wise crack.... except the audience didn't get it. They just looked at him wondering what he was on about.

Calzaghe may beat Froch, but he wouldn't do it excitingly. He would slap and cuff his way to a points win. But all the good shots would come from Froch.

I'd rather watch the next 3 Froch fights than the next 3 Calzaghe fights.

Joe's technique and all round persona leaves me cold. The legend killer... lmao.

And dont start me on about his ridiculous 'showboating' which consists of gurning and wiggling his arse.


:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[SouthpawSlayer]

Calzaghe has always been a spiteful sod.

He said before the Robin Reid fight...........that Reid was jealous because I am better looking than you

Reid quite rightly told him to "grow up"

Calzaghe was being such a twat..........I remeber during a camera / photo shoot a couple of days beofore the fight in some car park .........Robin Reid actually removed his boxing gloves hanging around his neck and went to have a proper scrap with Joe Calzaghe he was that wound up

Calzaghe was to blame...........being a valley boy welsh prick........with a petty mind

He has wised up since them days I think

But underneath deep down..........he is the same spiteful valley boy

Simple reason why he didnt give Froch credit.............he didnt like it that Froch has become WBC Champion

He would have much more liked it if Froch was exposed and beaten

Froch now has something

Wether Calzaghe fights him or not.............Froch is a new star........a new champion

Calzaghe is not pleased for him

Calzaghe should stop slagging off Bute.............he is a unknown qunatity .....he could be very good

Sakio Bika was a dark horse...........we could easily say Calzaghe had a tough fight with a nobodie there

he still acts like a child most of the time though, flint i disagree with most if not all of your posts since i came on esb so id like to say good post as i was certain you were going to defend joe as both beong welsh and all

[Ed.]

C'mon guys!!! Can't you see this for what it is?

Everytime Calz goes on record and talks trash about a fighter, he ends up fighting them. If Froch beats Taylor which I'm not certain he will but a good fight all the same, I reckon Calz will take Froch on in Cardiff or Wembley. It's a fairly easy UD for Calzaghe and the pay should be good with Froch being WBC champ and having wins over Pascal and Taylor.

We'll see.

[SouthpawSlayer]

C'mon guys!!! Can't you see this for what it is?

Everytime Calz goes on record and talks trash about a fighter, he ends up fighting them. If Froch beats Taylor which I'm not certain he will but a good fight all the same, I reckon Calz will take Froch on in Cardiff or Wembley. It's a fairly easy UD for Calzaghe and the pay should be good with Froch being WBC champ and having wins over Pascal and Taylor.

We'll see.


your correct but it wont be froch its gonna be oscar, he has mouthed off a bit on oscar yesterday too

[Ed.]

your correct but it wont be froch its gonna be oscar, he has mouthed off a bit on oscar yesterday too
As daft as that sounds, it could happen. All Oscar has to blame for his Manny performance is his weight and really he should be fighting at 160/168 instead. The natural marquee name at 168 is still Calz. Stranger things have happened and if Oscar showed interest Calz would be there like a fly to horseshot, I mean horseshit.

[Beeston Brawler]

Calzaghe talked a bit of trash about Kessler in his book I recall - saying that he hadn't done anything of note......

Winning a WBA title and unifying the WBC (all abroad in the process) is much more of an achievement than winning a ****** BO title and defending it largely against handpicked opposition.

18 defences prior to a unification fight must be a record in the alphabet era, surely?

[Ed.]

Calzaghe talked a bit of trash about Kessler in his book I recall - saying that he hadn't done anything of note......

Winning a WBA title and unifying the WBC (all abroad in the process) is much more of an achievement than winning a ****** BO title and defending it largely against handpicked opposition.

18 defences prior to a unification fight must be a record in the alphabet era, surely?
****** has just as much to answer for that as Calzaghe. All promoters protect their interests and "create" the politics that have dissolved the sport. At least both the fighters were willing to meet, which they did, eventually. If Calzaghe retires and doesn't face Froch, is he really ducking him? We all know Froch would lose. There is nothing for anyone to fear about Froch as long as you're durable or fast enough to not let the shots get to you. Froch isn't quick, has poor defence, is predictable and this style will likely be exploited by all the top contenders. Bute would outbox him but there's hope Froch could hurt him, Kessler would outjab him all night long, Taylor will prove awkward so not sure how that turns out and Calz will win every round.

I wish Carl well and I understand why he's calling out Calzaghe but he's better off building a career of his own than trying to end it.

[Beeston Brawler]

I see your side of the argument.

I wouldn't suggest at all that Calzaghe is ducking (or has ever ducked) Froch. But what I would say, is that Calzaghe can't bleat on about some guy being a nobody when a. he has just won the WBC title and b. he beat a young, hungry and unbeaten opponent to do so - something Calzaghe didn't do until he was nearly 36.

Rather than dissing people, just give them credit. It doesn't take a lot of effort. Even famed trash talker Floyd Mayweather congratulated Hatton on beating Lazcano.......

[Govanmauler]

I'll back Calzaghe against fighter from outside the UK but he is a dick. I'd knock Froch out in three rounds , tool !

[Ed.]

I see your side of the argument.

I wouldn't suggest at all that Calzaghe is ducking (or has ever ducked) Froch. But what I would say, is that Calzaghe can't bleat on about some guy being a nobody when a. he has just won the WBC title and b. he beat a young, hungry and unbeaten opponent to do so - something Calzaghe didn't do until he was nearly 36.

Rather than dissing people, just give them credit. It doesn't take a lot of effort. Even famed trash talker Floyd Mayweather congratulated Hatton on beating Lazcano.......
Unless, of course, he's beginning to market a massive domestic fight and isn't retiring just yet!! :cool:

[dwilson]

Calzaghe has fought 2 decent fighters in his entire career and now acts like he is a boxing legend. The guy is a joke.

[Beeston Brawler]

Calzaghe vs Froch wouldn't need trash talking to sell it IMO.

OK, their rivalry is hardly Benn and Eubank style, where letting them in the same room was dangerous - but certainly enough to generate interest.

I can understand Calzaghe taking on the odd faded name at the end of his career to make a few £££ - but having spent most of his title reign doing the same thing to lesser names people are bound to ask questions.

I am a Joe fan BTW.

At least with Hatton, he spent part of his career beating lesser opponents and actually admitted it in his book - taking on 2 P4P #1's in the space of 18 months is no mean feat.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think two decent names is a bit strong.

2 elite names - one past peak, the other shot to bits
Kessler - what will he turn out to be??
Lacy - hypejob (though Lewis beat a few of those pretenders)
A few solid names - Reid, Woodhall etc
Chump mandos and handpicked names

His resume is reasonable, no more and no less. Hardly the stuff of legend.

[DamonD]

Bottom line is - if Calzaghe considers his legacy as untouchable as he says it is, the doings of Froch really should not bother him in the slighest.

I think Joe feels stroppy because it took him so many years in his career to get the plaudits, and now Froch comes along and gets much love and a title belt in one fight.

But in that situation, Joe has only himself to blame...

[Beeston Brawler]

Good post.

[Ed.]

I think opportunity played a part of his resume.

Calzaghe was outside of the bubble when Collins, Watson, Benn and Eubank were rivals at the top of their game. As Calzaghe started to build a career after the Eubank fight, Toney, Jones, Hopkins etc weren't interested in some skinny, protected Brit with a crap title. He generated no interest for them so why fight him. The only time America heard about Calzaghe was when some fighter was a prospect coming to the UK looking for an easy win or an ex-champion thinking a belt was lying around waiting to be collected.

****** didn't really do his job, Calzaghe should have travelled more and collectively he'd have a far better resume, perhaps even losses on his record but we'll never know now. Sure Jones would have beaten Calzaghe, sure Toney would have too but we can only speculate and argue. Undoubtedly Calzaghe in his prime would have given any of those fighters one hell of a run for their money and I too would have love to have seen some of those fights but his career is albeit over, his opportunities passed and his legacy is what it is.

Still one hell of an accomplishment though and if people want to use the word legend, it's hard not to understand their sentiment, particularly from a British perspective. Personally, legends stand the test of time and the names of those legends will be remembered by our grandchildren and their grandchildren. Somehow, I think Calz falls just a little short.

Close but no cigar.

[Beeston Brawler]

There was no reason why he couldn't have got a ten rounder on a big card somewhere......

[Ed.]

There was no reason why he couldn't have got a ten rounder on a big card somewhere......
Apart from his reluctance to travel and ******s reluctance to risk. :hey

[dwilson]

I could go out now catch a plane to the states, drive an hire car to Ali's house and knock seven bags of shit out of him but it would add nothing to my legacy. Look at the guys who were great at the time Calzaghe fought them...fuck all names come up. Good receord but not great...plus he talks about his 20 defences but it was with the WBO belt so it does not count, that belt is of less regard tan a Euro belt.

[Beeston Brawler]

You wouldn't even have to take a risk - as long as he didn't have a mandatory he could have fought whoever he wanted.

A good idea would have been to have picked the Gatti/Miranda of the relevant period - decent enough, more famous for their name than their skills - and blast them out in a couple of rounds.

It would certainly make people sit up and take notice - a lot more than beating Rick Thornberry or Veit (again).

Hatton, Lewis, Benn and Eubank all fought abroad on undercards and benefitted from it - both in terms of experience and publicity.

[Ed.]

I could go out now catch a plane to the states, drive an hire car to Ali's house and knock seven bags of shit out of him but it would add nothing to my legacy. Look at the guys who were great at the time Calzaghe fought them...fuck all names come up. Good receord but not great...plus he talks about his 20 defences but it was with the WBO belt so it does not count, that belt is of less regard tan a Euro belt.
You've got great perspective Wilson. Tell me, what do you make of Peter Buckley's legacy? :yep

[Ed.]

You wouldn't even have to take a risk - as long as he didn't have a mandatory he could have fought whoever he wanted.

A good idea would have been to have picked the Gatti/Miranda of the relevant period - decent enough, more famous for their name than their skills - and blast them out in a couple of rounds.

It would certainly make people sit up and take notice - a lot more than beating Rick Thornberry or Veit (again).

Hatton, Lewis, Benn and Eubank all fought abroad on undercards and benefitted from it - both in terms of experience and publicity.
I agree, there was more he and ****** could have done between them. Who knows, Calzaghe might have been a legend, he's certainly good enough, but he's let it slip.

[dwilson]

You've got great perspective Wilson. Tell me, what do you make of Peter Buckley's legacy? :yep



He is a true legend but god damm he should have gone to 300 fights without getting stopped.

[TFFP]

As far as I can see he has said nothing incorrect.

Although I havn't seen it yet.

[46and0]

I think Calzaghe is getting a bit too much stick. Froch has acted like a total sausage-wallet towards him for 4 years, and now everybody is getting wound up and are getting the usual digs about his C.V. in, all because Calzaghe has said a few words back.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out I say.

[ThePlugInBabies]

i'm a massive calzaghe fan and don't think back then froch had done enough to get a shot but after the slugfest saturday he now deserves a crack,

:lol:

what?

how does winning a belt at 168 qualify you for a shot at the man in the weight class above?

there are more worthy contenders in joe's own division should he decide to continue.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Calzaghe should either retire of fight 1 of the young guns like Taylor, Pavlik or Froch. #5Million pounds to take on Carl Froch is good money. This can be his swan song. Froch can take a punch hits hard, decent speed and has confidence/attitude. This will be a genuine grudge match as they don't like each other. Joe should take this fight or retire. This is his Steve Collins moment. He should remember Collins chose to retire rather than fight him so Joe what are you going to do. Time to put up or shut up and ride into the sunset.

Not a fan of Joe's but have to respect his record. Yes a lot of uneven performances coupled with some excellent ones. I think he needs beat 1 of these young guys to settle his legacy. I thought he lost to Hopkins and was exposed but will excuse that performance.

[Ed.]

I think he needs beat 1 of these young guys to settle his legacy.
Lacy? Kessler?

I thought he lost to Hopkins and was exposed but will excuse that performance.
I thought he just won it. Exposed? Do you know what exposed means? Hopkins was exposed as a spoiler. He lost at his own game. He couldn't out-work Calz, he couldn't stop him, so he spoilt the fight and Calz then done the same back and nipped it.

[icemax]

Calzaghe has a very unfortunate turn of phrase...he should keep his mouth shut and do his stuff in the ring, thats were real champions do their talking.

[Ed.]

Calzaghe has a very unfortunate turn of phrase...he should keep his mouth shut and do his stuff in the ring, thats were real champions do their talking.
Where were you for the last 10 years? :yep

[Leif Erikson]

Calzaghe is a great talent, one who I've always enjoyed watching and find myself supporting at fight time, but he'd do well to remember than he was essentially an unknown quantity on the world stage prior to the Lacy fight. For the vast majority of his career, his standout wins were against Mario Veit, a weight-drained short notice replacement iteration of Chris Eubank and a post-Malinga Robin Reid.

The vast majority of his remaining opponents shouldn't have been within a thousand miles of a title shot. Nor should the 52 year old Roy Jones his last bout came against, for that matter.

[46and0]

Froch is just looking for a payday and a shortcut to the top. I'm actually sick of hearing about the guy. Great win on Saturday, and well done, but he doesn't merit a shot at Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe (who will probably be retiring) is now a light-heavyweight. Froch stated he would only fight him at a catch weight of 172 max. Why should Calzaghe drop down to fight him? If Froch was really serious he would go up to 175lbs.

Now the Taylor fight is being made Froch is saying "it's the fight I always wanted".

No it's not Carl, you always wanted the Calzaghe fight, even as recently as last week!

Still if his aim was getting his name out there on the back of Calzaghe's name, he has succeeded, though Joe's tirade has unwittingly helped matters.

[icemax]

but he doesn't merit a shot at Joe Calzaghe.

I really do have a problem with this statement, its the same old trite bollocks that is rolled out everytime by Calzaghe apologists (genuinely no offence intended). I know my question is fairly weatherbeaten, but no-one has ever been able to tell me to any level of satisfaction what Manfredo, Tocker P, Brewer et al had actually done to merit a shot at Calzaghe?

[Ed.]

I really do have a problem with this statement, its the same old trite bollocks that is rolled out everytime by Calzaghe apologists (genuinely no offence intended). I know my question is fairly weatherbeaten, but no-one has ever been able to tell me to any level of satisfaction what Manfredo, Tocker P, Brewer et al had actually done to merit a shot at Calzaghe?
Plenty of champs take silly fights and Calzaghe has had his share of bums but right now Calzaghe holds all the cards, he has options and do you really consider Froch to come before Dawson, Johnson, Kessler, Hopkins, even Adamek?

[trotter]

Indeed

While Froch may not be 'more deserving' than certain others, he is still 'worthy' of a shot, he's the WBC champion for god's sake

It's hardly like Joe has never fought anyone worse is it

[trotter]

Plenty of champs take silly fights and Calzaghe has had his share of bums but right now Calzaghe holds all the cards, he has options and do you really consider Froch to come before Dawson, Johnson, Kessler, Hopkins, even Adamek?

Joe doesn't want Hopkins so that's a non-starter

I assume you are joking with Johnson

Kessler / Adamek - do the FANS want them fights? Hard to believe they want them more than Froch-Calzaghe

Dawson is about the only one left. I personally am not on his bandwagon at all. It might do good business in the States though.

Anyway it's not about Froch being ahead of them in the queue. It's about Frich's right to even be in the queue. Some people would have you believe he doesn't have that right, he clearly does

[icemax]

Plenty of champs take silly fights

You are quite right, but generally these type of fights are gimmes in between challenges at the higher level...Calzaghe made a career on the back of these fighters for years and we never heard either Calzaghe or Calzaghes fans mention "merit" or his other favourite "deserve". Whether Calzaghe likes it or not Carl Froch is WBC SMW champion and as such does "merit" consideration, and probably "deserves" a shot if he is prepared to step up.

I have an awful feeling that if Calzaghe does fight again it will be a rematch at Cardiff against RJJ, that would be a disgrace on all sorts of levels.

[Ed.]

Joe doesn't want Hopkins so that's a non-starter

I assume you are joking with Johnson

Kessler / Adamek - do the FANS want them fights? Hard to believe they want them more than Froch-Calzaghe

Dawson is about the only one left. I personally am not on his bandwagon at all. It might do good business in the States though.

Anyway it's not about Froch being ahead of them in the queue. It's about Frich's right to even be in the queue. Some people would have you believe he doesn't have that right, he clearly does
Of course he does but if Calzaghe chooses not to fight him, can he be blamed? Should he fight Froch or be called a bum forever?

Personally, I think Calzaghe has done enough and should retire. He'd beat Froch on points anyway. I'd watch the fight but it's going to be fairly predictable.

[dwilson]

Hopkins was robbed.

[Ed.]

Hopkins was robbed.
Hopkins brought nothing to the fight. Sure it was close but there was no decisive winner. Doesn't matter what way the fight went, they both should be ashamed, although I do blame Hopkins more than Calzaghe for spoiling.

Hopkins was not robbed at all. Robbed would indicate he won the fight by 4 clear rounds and if you think that I'd watch the fight again but this time leave the wine gums alone.

[SqueezyFlump]

Hopkins was robbed.

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[Grant1]

This looks like it's going to Pavlik all over again.

Froch should fight Joe, Joe should fight Froch.

Oops Froch has just been brutalised Joe was correct all along.

[toom]

Carl Froch is articulate, intelligent and likeable. Joe in comparison is rude, thick and ungracious, with a chip on his shoulder. He probably realises that he's past his best, and is jealous of a younger guy in his prime.

When did Calzaghe last stop an opponent? He cannot punch properly and his punch resistance is starting to go.

[ShadowWorks]

Joe sounds like an old Lion roaring from behind a hill that he is going down fast.

[Grant1]

''Everybody knows I've had no interest in Joe since he vacated the WBC belt''

''Oh yeah - I offered him £5million to fight me''

WTF? He's talking shit.

[JonOli]

This looks like it's going to Pavlik all over again.

Froch should fight Joe, Joe should fight Froch.

Oops Froch has just been brutalised Joe was correct all along.


Joe was still wrong to fight Jones instead of Pavlik irrelevant of what Hopkins did to him two weight classes above his natural weight. That was the live fight that should have been made, and in any case styles makes fights; Hopkins, and Calzaghe are very different.

I think Joe now may be starting to regret that decision. He may well have got more money fighting Pavlik with a bigger cut, as the Jones PPV sales were abysmal - and in the end they actually had to give tickets away for the fight to fill the arena. He also would have got a lot more credit from the boxing fraternity, something he recently moaned about not getting for beating Jones.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Joe embarrassed himself in the Robin Reid fight..........

the year was 1999.

Naseem Hamed was at his peak and making predictions and backing them up

"I'm so good...........I'm gonna knock him out in 4 rounds!!!!!"


Calzaghe dosent have the personality to match what Naz was doing

But like a dickhead that he was even more so back then he tried to copy Naz

Robin Reid had never been knocked down I believe.......and never stopped.........as a amateur or professional

Calzaghe boldly copied Naz by saying

"I'm going to knock out Robin Reid in the 3rd round" :patsch

After two rounds

the third round began

Cringing I was at Calzaghe...............what a dick head !!!!!!!!!!!!1

He was throwing punches at Reid as if he was going to end it and fufill his preidction

When he threw a few slaps at Reid he then began to sneer at Reid and laugh throw his gumshield.................as if he had Reid in big trouble and he was going to end it in this round just because he thought he could be like Naz

Depsite these smirks sneers and evil grins............Reid was not in trouble of being knocked out at all :patsch

Calzaghe trying to play Naz :lol:

3 rounds my foot :lol:

he was lucky not to lose the fucking fight !!!!!!!!!!!

[46and0]

I really do have a problem with this statement, its the same old trite bollocks that is rolled out everytime by Calzaghe apologists (genuinely no offence intended). I know my question is fairly weatherbeaten, but no-one has ever been able to tell me to any level of satisfaction what Manfredo, Tocker P, Brewer et al had actually done to merit a shot at Calzaghe?

What I was implying is that a guy like Chad Dawson, who has actually held his belts for a few defences and fights in the same weight division deserves a shot at him. Or Hopkins, who ran him close in their fight. I don't see how Froch can expect to jump the queue on the back of winning the vacant title. It's like after Calzaghe won his first belt and calling out Roy Jones and expecting the fight straight away.

[steelem]

calzaghe is totally correct with his comments - frochs got a belt but his no challenger - lets face it can froch actually beat kessler - no way !!

[Grant1]

Joe was still wrong to fight Jones instead of Pavlik irrelevant of what Hopkins did to him two weight classes above his natural weight. That was the live fight that should have been made, and in any case styles makes fights; Hopkins, and Calzaghe are very different.

I think Joe now may be starting to regret that decision. He may well have got more money fighting Pavlik with a bigger cut, as the Jones PPV sales were abysmal - and in the end they actually had to give tickets away for the fight to fill the arena. He also would have got a lot more credit from the boxing fraternity, something he recently moaned about not getting for beating Jones.

I take your point but people will use any stick to beat Calzaghe. If Joe had done what Hopkins did Pavlik would have been 'overrated' and Joe should have fought someone from his own weight - you know how it goes.

I'm not sure he would have made more money fighting Pavlik? You could be right as obviously gate receipts would be up but is Kelly PPV'ing at the mo?

[FLINT ISLAND]

The

Calzaghe V Jones fight was just so they could both share a ring before they retire for good just to be able to say in years to come they did at least fight each other

In the same way Jones and Trinidad fight was made

Hopkins fight however was different...............Joe bit off way more than he thought he was

[Championship]

If Froch beats Taylor next he'd be showing he's got way more balls then Calzaghe by fighting the best and he'd only be about one win behind Calzaghe overall I think.

A win against Taylor for Froch in his first defense would be bigger then Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins or Jones wins for Calzaghe I think.

[9Ball]

A win against Taylor for Froch in his first defense would be bigger then Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins or Jones wins for Calzaghe I think.

Thats bullshit. Kessler is a monster and I think will prove it in his next few fights. The way Calzaghe beat up Lacy was an amazing boxing masterclass. The Hopkins win was better than it seemed which was proved by the way Pavlik was schooled by Hopkins. Only the Jones win was shite.
Froch has more than a fair bit to go before he is ranked above Calzaghe imo.

[Championship]

Kessler looks like he could be something special but he hasn't achieved as much as Taylor I think. Former undisputed middleweight champion with 2 wins over Hopkins, a Lacy win, draw with Wright and loads of decent, other B-level wins.

Think Taylor win is bigger then Kessler, an old Hopkins and better then Lacy.

If he beats Taylor I wouldn't put him ahead of Calzaghe right away, but he'd show that he's well on the way to surpasing him. Calzaghe fought a load of easy fights before his good wins whilst Froch would have been going stright in at his first opportunity.

[Diablo]

Kessler looks like he could be something special but he hasn't achieved as much as Taylor I think. Former undisputed middleweight champion with 2 wins over Hopkins, a Lacy win, draw with Wright and loads of decent, other B-level wins.

Think Taylor win is bigger then Kessler, an old Hopkins and better then Lacy.

If he beats Taylor I wouldn't put him ahead of Calzaghe right away, but he'd show that he's well on the way to surpasing him. Calzaghe fought a load of easy fights before his good wins whilst Froch would have been going stright in at his first opportunity.

:patsch Is that you Carl?

[elmbloke]

Hopkins was robbed.

hopkins was knackered and desperate and decided to cheat.

[icemax]

calzaghe is totally correct with his comments - frochs got a belt but his no challenger - lets face it can froch actually beat kessler - no way !!

Kessler has one reasonable stand out victory on his CV (Andrade). His record bears a remarkable resemblance to Calzaghes, it is rack full of stay at home fights against C class mandos.

Why is Kessler always brought out of the hat in debates where Calzaghes record is being questioned?

[icemax]

What I was implying is that a guy like Chad Dawson, who has actually held his belts for a few defences and fights in the same weight division deserves a shot at him.

He might "deserve" it, but its not going to happen is it?

[steelem]

Kessler has one reasonable stand out victory on his CV (Andrade). His record bears a remarkable resemblance to Calzaghes, it is rack full of stay at home fights against C class mandos.

Why is Kessler always brought out of the hat in debates where Calzaghes record is being questioned?

i actually thought we were discussing calzaghes comments on Froch ??

[icemax]

i actually thought we were discussing calzaghes comments on Froch ??

Hence my question

[SeasideSlugger]

Calzaghe should either retire of fight 1 of the young guns like Taylor, Pavlik or Froch. #5Million pounds to take on Carl Froch is good money. This can be his swan song. Froch can take a punch hits hard, decent speed and has confidence/attitude. This will be a genuine grudge match as they don't like each other. Joe should take this fight or retire. This is his Steve Collins moment. He should remember Collins chose to retire rather than fight him so Joe what are you going to do. Time to put up or shut up and ride into the sunset.

Not a fan of Joe's but have to respect his record. Yes a lot of uneven performances coupled with some excellent ones. I think he needs beat 1 of these young guys to settle his legacy. I thought he lost to Hopkins and was exposed but will excuse that performance.

Excellent post sir.

Put up or shut up is right. Joe is extremely pissed off that Froch achieved in one fight what he's been after all along.....well you shouldn't have stayed with ****** so long son, holding your talent in check for ages has buggered you and your legacy up.

I see Froch causing him big problems. Accurate , hard punches and just like JC he likes a tear up.

"Lacy him?" like fuck he would. calzaghe may well win but it would be on points, JC is an excellent fighter but get out now mate while your supposed legacy is holding a bit of water.

[steelem]

Hence my question


you have no question icemax - in fact you make no sense at all - ever

[JonOli]

Dawson, and Froch deserve far more of a shot then Joe's last opponent, and as much if not more then 95% of his other opponents. "Doesn't deserve a shot"... you would think the guy was Ali... If he retires then fine, but all this "doesn't deserve a shot" is poor form, imo.

How can someone, like Dawson, who would be at least a top 3 victory on Calzaghe's resume, not be worthy of a shot..

[HOF]

If it isn't clear to people who follow boxing by now, the reason parties mouth off through the media is to see if people then start threads that generate 7 pages of replies and counting.........looking good for the fight happening in Oct/Nov 09 or April 2010 at this rate! The 5 million quid talk is complete rubbish. For that to even begin to materialise Hennessy needs HBO on board which is why the fight against one of HBO's golden kids in Taylor is very important

[D_XZ]

I don't see the point of Joe fighting anyone at super middle again, it's not going to do anything for his record (unless he loses!).
If theres anything left to do it's at lightheavy where his CV is much smaller.

[Steve Fox]

I wonder if they'll both be at 'Sports personality of the year' - and while I'm on the subject, who put JC on the shortlist.

[bruno's_chin]

I love calzaghe, he my personal favourite, ive met the guy twice in person at sportsmen dinners and he's always been a great bloke, having photos done and signing autographs, i reckon that he doesn't need to fight froch cos he should stick at light heavyweight now, but he didnt need to be so disrespectful he could have easily said something along the lines that if he fights again his future lies at light heavy and froch isnt a recognisable force in that weight class, he could have said that froch's performance wasnt all that great (personally i think it was) but to say he'd knock froch out in 4 was unsportmanlike. should have kept the harsher views to himself, but i guess thats what makes Joe.

Personally i'd love to see calzaghe fight 4 more times trying to get that 50 - 0, and for some of the belts at 175 against the likes of Erdei, Garay, Tarver & Dawson

[FLINT ISLAND]

problem is with Calzaghe..........he is so vain.

vain to compare himself with others.

he complained not long ago that he has made nowhere need the money from boxing as he should.

dont worry though folks..........he is can just manage the rent.

****** revealed he made Calzaghe £10 - £15 million

For a WBO reign that conisited of a legacy of caridff ice rink defences that is not a bad living

What Calzaghe means is that "compared" to Naseem and Oscar and Tyson and Lewis, etc etc..............he has not earnt that much

Them guys were bigger stars than Calzaghe

Calzaghe has done well with what he has got

Naz was a celebrity.............everyone tuned into a Naz fight

Calzaghe is just a boxer.............he has done well

He is too vain for his own good and so is discontent with his lot

[madpup]

Kessler has one reasonable stand out victory on his CV (Andrade). His record bears a remarkable resemblance to Calzaghes, it is rack full of stay at home fights against C class mandos.

Why is Kessler always brought out of the hat in debates where Calzaghes record is being questioned?

Check our facts, Kessler has victories against Mundine and Beyer (WBC champ), both were away from home.

[Primadonna Kool]

i like what Joe Calzaghe said..and i like his new atitude.

[Ischbaad]

Both fighters need to grow up a little bit. Unless this feud is going to set up a fight, the trash-talking and disrespect between them is unnecessary.

[Grant1]

problem is with Calzaghe..........he is so vain.

vain to compare himself with others.

he complained not long ago that he has made nowhere need the money from boxing as he should.

dont worry though folks..........he is can just manage the rent.

****** revealed he made Calzaghe £10 - £15 million

For a WBO reign that conisited of a legacy of caridff ice rink defences that is not a bad living

What Calzaghe means is that "compared" to Naseem and Oscar and Tyson and Lewis, etc etc..............he has not earnt that much

Them guys were bigger stars than Calzaghe

Calzaghe has done well with what he has got

Naz was a celebrity.............everyone tuned into a Naz fight

Calzaghe is just a boxer.............he has done well

He is too vain for his own good and so is discontent with his lot

Flint, your getting boring mate.

Joe and Enzo could say the same thing on any given day and you'd slate Joe and defend Enzo.

Bring some objectivity into your posts for fucks sake.

[Axe]

Calzaghe has always lacked what we call class.

[Pug1list]

Why should Calzaghe give Froch a pay day, Froch should get in with Kessler before calling out Calzaghe.

[El Cepillo]

Calzaghe is being very disingenuous about Froch, and seems to have an infalted sense of his own self importance, the arrogant twat. I think Calzaghe should congratulate Froch, not try and make him look bad. Calzaghe's career and legacy are hardly bullet proof either, the guy hid behind the WBO belt for a decade.

[KCD]

Froch has been slagging Calzaghe off since day 1, also Froch goes life and death with Pascal and now all of a sudden he beats Joe:rofl

[El Cepillo]

Froch has been slagging Calzaghe off since day 1, also Froch goes life and death with Pascal and now all of a sudden he beats Joe:rofl

Apart from Hennesey and Froch, who is saying Froch could be Calzaghe? and I've never heard Froch slag off Calzaghe. If that is true then ok, maybe that adds context to Calzaghe's comments, but otherwise, Joe should just be a man and congratulate Froch, instead of doing his best to rubbish him, what kind of man does that?
I wouldn't mind if Calzaghe had been chasing the biggest fights, taking on the toughest opponents, going to America for years etc. etc. but they guy stayed in Wales and fought nobodies for the most part.
Froch won a world title, and is now chasing Taylor, Kessler and Calzaghe.
Calzaghe won a world title and hid out in Wales, fighting the Rick Thornberry's of this world, and giving guys he KO'd in 1 round rematches!

[ninebar]

Calzaghe has always lacked what we call class.

You have hit the nail on the head.

Calzaghe saying "I dont like the guy, so why should i give him a payday" stink's. If Calzaghe dont like Froch and he is so convinced that Froch aint shit then he should fight him and show us all he was right instead of bad mouthing him and every other up and coming prospect.

To coin a Calzaghe phrase "At the end of the day" Cazaghe's got no class.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Calzaghe is most likely just jealous - Froch has received the kind of acclaim in his first world title fight that Calzaghe didn't receive until he beat Jeff Lacy.

If he simply said "Well done, but you are not on my radar" people would give him the benefit of the doubt most likely, but to start sprouting off about "Why should I give him a payday" is bad, did Roy Jones deserve a payday, Peter Manfredo, Sakio Bika?

This is probably as bad as Hatton with Witter - because although the feud between these two isn't as personal, Froch does sell tickets, Froch does bring TV etc.

[pne buz]

Froch has been giving Calzaghe shit since like 2004/2005.

JC is entitled to give a little back, and we all know that he has a few good points with regards to Froch...does anyone really think he could beat Calzaghe? How much would it mean to Joes legacy?

How much did Peter Manfredo mean to Joes legacy and where did he find the motivation for that one??I think public demand and a media fuelled slanging match could make this happen.And yes i do think Froch could win.If he dropped Calzaghe like Jones and Hopkins did i dont think Carl would let him up for air!!!Having said that he has to land the bomb which is easier said than done and he certainly cant outpoint Joe.But i would be rooting for my fellow Englishman!:happy

[FLINT ISLAND]

Calzaghe has left me tired with all his shit talk the last couple of years

He just says whatever suits him

And to say he would KO Froch in 3 or 4 rounds...............then say he will never fight him.............is very cheap words

[warrior85]

erm froch is a gobby,egotistical twat&has fought 0 world class fighters,so where's the problem?

[warrior85]

froch finally picks up an alphabet belt(a vacant one at that)&all of a sudden he should fight joe?......fight kessler!

[DamonD]

I think Calzaghe is most likely just jealous - Froch has received the kind of acclaim in his first world title fight that Calzaghe didn't receive until he beat Jeff Lacy.
That's it for me.

It's ridiculous that Calzaghe should feel jealous of course, but he comes across as very insecure with comments like these.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Calzaghe said Frochs missus must be sick of him cos all he does is go on about Calzaghe

Calzaghes She-Male must be sick of him too...............cos he is always acting like a village idiot

[46and0]

Calzaghe said Frochs missus must be sick of him cos all he does is go on about Calzaghe

Calzaghes She-Male must be sick of him too...............cos he is always acting like a village idiot
Idiotic comment.

[D_XZ]

problem is with Calzaghe..........he is so vain.


****** revealed he made Calzaghe £10 - £15 million

For a WBO reign that conisited of a legacy of caridff ice rink defences that is not a bad living

What Calzaghe means is that "compared" to Naseem and Oscar and Tyson and Lewis, etc etc..............he has not earnt that much


More insecure than vain IMO. Despite his ability he simply didn't do enough to chase glory or put it all on the line in the same way as those other guys. Just because he had one fight with Hopkins fall through a few years back doesn't equate to the same chances that the other guys took to make it big. Lewis in particular had a mountain to climb to gain widespread acceptance - but he did it.

All JC's whinging about ****** (who he kept voluntarily re-signing with) holding him back and badmouthing guys he's never going to fight is getting pretty boring. I used to like Calzaghe and was really pleased after the Lacy/Kessler wins but his actions since then have gone back to his low risk-low glory days except that his time he's giving it attitude to anyone who'll listen.

[46and0]

I used to like Calzaghe and was really pleased after the Lacy/Kessler wins but his actions since then have gone back to his low risk-low glory days except that his time he's giving it attitude to anyone who'll listen.


Come on man, fighting his first fight in the US against Hopkins is hardly low-risk.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Come on man, fighting his first fight in the US against Hopkins is hardly low-risk.


Yeah but it took him approx 45 fights or something to do it............and about 36 years old.............in the last couple of fights of his career

played it safe for years and years

[46and0]

Yeah but it took him approx 45 fights or something to do it............and about 36 years old.............in the last couple of fights of his career

played it safe for years and years
It's well documented that he was meant to fight Hopkins in 2002, but Hopkins doubled his fee.

[icemax]

Idiotic comment.

But true :deal

[mbrockett]

froch finally picks up an alphabet belt(a vacant one at that)&all of a sudden he should fight joe?......fight kessler!

WBC an alphabet belt?

made me laugh on local nottingham tv though before the pascal fight when the news reporter was saying 'this is the same belt muhammad ali held'
...well...yeh...i spose...

[DamonD]

During Ali's super-middle campaign, heh.