Is Julian Jackson the hardest hitting non-heavyweight in the history of boxing?

[TheSweetScience]

Some of his KO's were just ridiculous. It was always amazing to see the punch connect and Julian would just point to signal KO right away.

[BULLFROMBORNEO]

He's definitely in the running.. I think he would've carried his power as high as light heavyweight perhaps.

True P4P punching power.

[dmille]

no

[punchy]

One name Hearns, jackson could really bang though.

[CottoDaBodykill]

theres a very good possibility he definitly makes a claim for it

[jc]

The Welshman in me has to respectfully disagree...

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[WhataRock]

Well the thread title reads hardest hitting non-heavyweight, which I take as referring to the hardest punching fighter who isnt a heavyweight....not in a the p4p sense but in a literal sense.

I doubt Wilde would be this man...I dont think Hearns would either...probably not even Jackson.

A bit tricky because some guys considered themselves heavyweights (which they were in their time) but if they were to fight today they wouldnt be.

If you werent to include those guys I think names like Ezra Sellers, Spinks at light heavy, Foster at light heavy, Hide, Satterfield, etc pop up. Thats just off the top of me noggin.

[PowerPuncher]

Pure biggest puncher outside of the HW division and not P4P? NO, Foster would be when he was at 175

[laxpdx]

A three-way tie between Jackson, Ayala and Benn. Hearns a close second.

[sitiyzal]

That pointing to the canvas Jackson would do when he dropped his opponent was retarded.

[mcvey]

The Welshman in me has to respectfully disagree...

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There are Scotsmen who say Benny Lynch had better one punch power,and that Wilde got men out of there with clusters of heavy blows.Be that as it may Wilde kod men several weight classes above him,so he must be in the running p4p.

[Minotauro]

non-heavyweights then it would be one of the crusierweights or maybe a light heavy but p4p its [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[jc]

There are Scotsmen who say Benny Lynch had better one punch power,and that Wilde got men out of there with clusters of heavy blows.Be that as it may Wilde kod men several weight classes above him,so he must be in the running p4p.

Those Scotsman would be wrong. :bart

[mcvey]

Those Scotsman would be wrong. :bart

I some how thought you might side with the "Mighty Atom"!

[Rebel-INS]

A three-way tie between Jackson, Ayala and Benn. Hearns a close second.

Ayala? Don't make me laugh.

[enquirer]

P4p hearns. Overall,foster,spinks,haye or any of the cruiser bangers.
If going soley on poundage under 200 pounds (modern heavy.) then louis,marciano and dempsey should be there.....

[WhataRock]

Ayala? Don't make me laugh.


I think thats the point.

[JohnThomas1]

Hearns and Foster are in the running. Hearns quality of opponents certainly surpasses the other two.

[paidinrakim]

A three-way tie between Jackson, Ayala and Benn. Hearns a close second.



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[red cobra]

I would say yes, although Danny Lopez might be considered. Jackson had so many show-stopping, picturesque ko's however, that he gets my vote.

[red cobra]

I forgot about Bob Foster. I guess it's a tie then.

[janitor]

non-heavyweights then it would be one of the crusierweights or maybe a light heavy but p4p its [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Thats your man.

[heehoo]

non-heavyweights then it would be one of the crusierweights or maybe a light heavy but p4p its [Only registered and activated users can see links]

This is easily the end of thread.

[Sweet Pea]

That pointing to the canvas Jackson would do when he dropped his opponent was retarded.

Your posting in general is retarded.

[la-califa]

Cuevas breaks bones. Zarate, Olivares, Saddler, & Hearns all had crunching power.

[Longhhorn71]

Most of the divisions below hvy have had a big puncher...one that might not have been even champion.

Wifredo Gomez at Jr. Feather.....Florentino Fernandez MW from the 50's / 60's.
Rodrigo Valdez, even Tony Zale.....

And of course Bob Fitzsimmons had 51 ko's in his 60 wins and was never much more than a supermiddleweight.

[frankwornank]

Bob Foster and Eduardo Lausse.

[Russell]

There's a well known sparring story where Eugene Hart sparked Tim Witherspoon out in sparring. :good

Hagler also pegged him as the hardest hitter he ever faced so that eliminates another murderous puncher at 154 in Mugabi, and Hearn's himself who fought all the way up to cruiser.

[Longhhorn71]

Bob Foster and Eduardo Lausse.

A lot of fans no nothing about Lausse.

I saw him on several DVD's and was very impressed with his power.

[Russell]

Also, not even a mention of Jaime Garza?!

Or Peter Maher.

Pffft.

[WhataRock]

I still dont take this thread as meaning the hardest p4p puncher...I think the author meant literally the hardest puncher ever outside the heavyweight division..

Which a lot of these smaller blokes surely would not be.

[Russell]

I still dont take this thread as meaning the hardest p4p puncher...I think the author meant literally the hardest puncher ever outside the heavyweight division..

Which a lot of these smaller blokes surely would not be.

I think you're right.

Well, in that case I agree with the earlier poster that said Ezra Sellers.

He stretched the ultra tough Carl Thompson for the count.

Consider this.

David Haye, a legitimate heavyweight now, and one of the hardest hitting cruiserweights of all time, couldn't even knock Thompson down. He beat on Thompson, a OLD Thompson until Haye was so exhausted a breeze could have blown him over.

The ultra hard hitting Crawford Ashley also failed to put away Thompson.

Ezra Sellers almost knocked Alex Stewart out with a jab. :lol:

[WhataRock]

Sellers was a mean fucking puncher...He defied the norms of biomechanics with the power he could get from punches that he didnt even seem to put a lot into. That right hook he nailed Thompson with to end it just looked like he wasnt even trying but you see how it just nailed poor old Carl right on the sweet spot.

[Russell]

Yeah, wasn't Sellers leaning back or some shit when he sparked Thompson as he was coming in? :?

It's funny because when in shape Sellers was a classic cruiserweight. A 190 pounder, and he could STILL do shit like that. David Haye even as a 200 pound cruiserweight was still a glaring heavyweight boiled down.

Any other Sellers fights come to mind?

I've heard he's KO'd guys Julian Jackson style with range finders.

Let me try and find the quote.

[Russell]

Found it.

I've seen Ezra Sellers KO people with range finders, and I mean dead asleep. I’ve seen Ezra Sellers nearly kill IRON CHINNED Johnny Nelson. I’ve seen Ezra Sellers fold Carl Thompson over, and nearly kill him as well, and that mother ----- is as tough as they come.

Just about sums it up.

[Russell]

It's funny because Johnny Nelson went the fucking distance with Corrie Sanders, Henry Akiwande and James Thunder when he weighed under 200 pounds.

[Sonny Carson]

no
Your talking like he isn't even close. Jackson is up there P4P wise. I think Jackson hit harder than Hearns from 154-160 pounds up.

[Minotauro]

I would probably have Joe Choynski higher then Jackson in p4p power the guys was a middleweight and ko'd heavyweight both Jack Johnson and Jeffries said he was the hardest hitter they faced I think Corbett said it as well and those guys took shots from guys like Fitz, Langford and McVea to name a few.

[TheSweetScience]

Well the thread title reads hardest hitting non-heavyweight, which I take as referring to the hardest punching fighter who isnt a heavyweight....not in a the p4p sense but in a literal sense.

I doubt Wilde would be this man...I dont think Hearns would either...probably not even Jackson.

A bit tricky because some guys considered themselves heavyweights (which they were in their time) but if they were to fight today they wouldnt be.

If you werent to include those guys I think names like Ezra Sellers, Spinks at light heavy, Foster at light heavy, Hide, Satterfield, etc pop up. Thats just off the top of me noggin.

I meant p4p

[rydersonthestorm]

if noy p4p sellars or herbie hide

[markedwardscott]

Julian Jackson could really throw bombs.

Hardest punching non-heavyweight has to be Bob Foster or Hearns.

[Russell]

Julian Jackson could really throw bombs.

Hardest punching non-heavyweight has to be Bob Foster or Hearns.

Hearn's is too small if this isn't a P4P discussion. Foster was for all intents and purpose a natural LHW version of Hearn's... Know what I mean?

[BENNY BLANCO]

I still dont take this thread as meaning the hardest p4p puncher...I think the author meant literally the hardest puncher ever outside the heavyweight division..

Which a lot of these smaller blokes surely would not be.Well if that's the case then you cannot put a 154/60 pounder as the hardest punching non-heavyweight, you would have to settle for Holyfield or Haye in their cruiserweight days, because no way does Jackson hits as hard as they do in a overall sense.

[Duodenum]

Randy Shields was positive that Hearns was a harder puncher than Cuevas, ruling Pipino out. Nobody else ever did to Duran what Tommy did. Hagler apparently ruled out Hearns with his citation of Cyclone Hart. Check out that footage sometime. Too bad for Eugene that Marv fought him from the southpaw stance.

Fitz shattered an opponent's wrist with an errant punch and was known to register a knockout with a blow to the forehead.

Jaime Garza himself said, "Nobody hit harder than Little Red."

Julian Jackson surely must be the hardest hitting non heavyweight champion of the 12 round era.

[Russell]

Randy Shields was positive that Hearns was a harder puncher than Cuevas, ruling Pipino out. Nobody else ever did to Duran what Tommy did. Hagler apparently ruled out Hearns with his citation of Cyclone Hart. Check out that footage sometime. Too bad for Eugene that Marv fought him from the southpaw stance.

Fitz shattered an opponent's wrist with an errant punch and was known to register a knockout with a blow to the forehead.

Jaime Garza himself said, "Nobody hit harder than Little Red."

Julian Jackson surely must be the hardest hitting non heavyweight champion of the 12 round era.

Do you feel Maher hits as hard as Fitz?

[Duodenum]

Do you feel Maher hits as hard as Fitz?Contemporary accounts claimed that Fitz was probably the hardest puncher who ever lived, P4P. And perhaps it's telling that Fitz (at 165) took a single round to hand Maher (at 180) his first defeat. I consider Maher to have been a heavyweight anyway.

[janitor]

Do you feel Maher hits as hard as Fitz?

Maher was the Earnie Shavers of his era.

The hardest hitter of the day, but a man who got to the top on the strength of his power and not much else.

[WhataRock]

I meant p4p

Well if thats the case then Jackson certainly is up there if not the no1.