Haye to face Kitshchko in June, in London!!

[JonOli]

Haye to face Kitshchko in June, in London!!

[hit me HARDER]

Source?

[JonOli]

Haye, just announced it on five live.

[Grant1]

Wladimir?

He was just on SPOTY if he had big news surely the Beeb would have been all over him?

[hit me HARDER]

Brilliant!!

[JonOli]

I didn't catch which one, I think it may be vit...

[JonOli]

It's Vitali...

[TFFP]

Uh oh, game over for the Hayemaker if it is Vitali. This place is going to be unbearable when he gets KO'd.

I really really hope this is Wladimir.

[JonOli]

Hope it's Wlad...Vitali is too old.


He's 37, and probably the better of the two.

[JonOli]

Uh oh, game over for the Hayemaker if it is Vitali. This place is going to be unbearable when he gets KO'd.

I really really hope this is Wladimir.


It's defo VIt...

[walkz]

Its vit

Haye said he scared vit into it

[Sir James]

Not good for Haye, not good at all.

He stood a chance against Wlad. Vitali will deck him inside 4 rounds.

[TFFP]

Haye has a lot of balls for sure. He knows Wladimir is the easier target.

I don't know what is going through his head. I really think he's lost his mind here. He should have just bided his time, took a few more fights until Wlad was free. Not only would this have aided his transition but he'd have got the more logical fight. Then if he won he could go for Vitali, and win or lose he would be respected.

Now he's going to wind up looking like a clown.

[ishy]

Fucking get in!!!!!!!!!!!

[steelem]

this post is absolute rubbish - there has been no fight signed at present - i have been on all uk news sites & german sites ..

[safe_pa]

I'm amazed and impressed. Haye is actually fearless :happy
Go on Hayemaker!

[ishy]

If true it will shut the haters on the general up. Takes big balls to step in with Vitali in your 3rd fight at HW.

Did he say where in London?

[walkz]

Haye has just said it himself live on radio, deal was done early this morrning

[ishy]

More I think about this the more I fear for Haye. He would have had a great chance against Wlad but Vitali?!

Really hope he can pull of the upset.

[Sir James]

I got to say respect to Haye for taking this fight. It shows he has a big set of balls.

[BamBam]

Don't think anyone ever really questioned Haye's guts. I hate all this bollocks about being labelled a 'hater' if you are of the opinion that Haye will lose.

Personally I think he has been a bit too brave this time. As outlined above he should have been a bit more patient. He could have gone a different steadier route and eventually got to Wlad then Vitali.

Just my spin on it. This poweder keg punch wasn't enough to spark Monte Barrett completely. He knocked him down 5 times (or whatever it was) but he didn't put him to sleep.

He will need to put Vitali to bed before the Ukranian lands flush on him. Vitali won't be anywhere as easy to hit as Barrett and you can be sure Vitali will hit a hell of a lot harder and more often too. I can see Haye looking flashy and effective (ish) in the first couple of rounds then getting buzzed with something like a counter right as he goes looking for a big bingo shot. Vitali takes his time and doesn't jump in and takes Haye out Round 5

[doug.ie]

this has NOT been confirmed at all

[9Ball]

I got to say respect to Haye for taking this fight. It shows he has a big set of balls.

Huge balls in fact, just no brain tbh!! :tired

[FLINT ISLAND]

Haye has a lot of balls for sure. He knows Wladimir is the easier target.

I don't know what is going through his head. I really think he's lost his mind here. He should have just bided his time, took a few more fights until Wlad was free. Not only would this have aided his transition but he'd have got the more logical fight. Then if he won he could go for Vitali, and win or lose he would be respected.

Now he's going to wind up looking like a clown.

yeah i agree with this post TFFP

I dont understand what Haye is thinking

I dont know why he is so confident of beating Vitali

I think he will get a rude awakening and Vitali will destroy him

[BamBam]

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Just saw this. Him talking bollocks doesn't help. Wlad might not be the most exciting fighter (understatement I know) but to call his performance abysmal is just a load of old wank.

[JonOli]

Ha Vitali ever been knocked down? I don't think he has.

Credit to Haye for chasing the big fights though...

[trotter]

yeah i agree with this post TFFP

I dont understand what Haye is thinking

I dont know why he is so confident of beating Vitali

I think he will get a rude awakening and Vitali will destroy him

Maybe he'd rather fight the best and give it his best shot than try to politic and manoeuvre his way through the sport

Who knows, controversial idea these days, but maybe he's even actually honest with himself and wouldn't in his heart be able to think he's a champion without beating the guy regarded as the best fighter out there

You guys are jaded by the politics of the sport, Haye should be applauded


All that said I think another fight or two would've prepared him better

[ishy]

All right I know this sounds REALLY REALLY stupid but my pick for Vitali v Haye is Haye UD12. There I've said it. I think Haye uses his speed to outpoint Vitali, Haye should realise that the chances of him KO'ing Vitali are almost nil therefore he prepares for the 12 rounds and bases his gameplan on speed and lateral movement. :deal.

[walkz]

this has NOT been confirmed at all
it has, straight from him.

I heard it live. Interview started with steve bunce going on about Haye as a possible sports personality of the year next year, haye then said he had an announcement coming up this week.

buncey made him spill the beans and haye said the fight was signed early this morning and would take place in June. most likely london as Vit is happy to come on over.

Buncey asked him if it was 100% and he said he has signed the contract and is 100% on for june

[FLINT ISLAND]

what about Vitalis fight with Gomez though?

[FLINT ISLAND]

Maybe he'd rather fight the best and give it his best shot than try to politic and manoeuvre his way through the sport

Who knows, controversial idea these days, but maybe he's even actually honest with himself and wouldn't in his heart be able to think he's a champion without beating the guy regarded as the best fighter out there

You guys are jaded by the politics of the sport, Haye should be applauded


All that said I think another fight or two would've prepared him better

without a doubt I give haye credit for taking this fight 100%

he is brave

I just think he has underrated Vitali by watching him

I think alot of people have underrated Vitali throughout his career

No-one who has faced Vitali in a ring has ever had a comfortable night

Not even Lennox lewis

[doug.ie]

it has, straight from him.

I heard it live. Interview started with steve bunce going on about Haye as a possible sports personality of the year next year, haye then said he had an announcement coming up this week.

buncey made him spill the beans and haye said the fight was signed early this morning and would take place in June. most likely london as Vit is happy to come on over.

Buncey asked him if it was 100% and he said he has signed the contract and is 100% on for june


:good

[Grant1]

what about Vitalis fight with Gomez though?

Probably step aside ££.

[Beeston Brawler]

They can always give JCG step-aside money

[FLINT ISLAND]

will he accept though.............I know fighters who have refused in the past

Lennox Lewis was paid a increbile £4 million to step aside Tyson before

[Beeston Brawler]

He may take a few £££ with a guaranteed shot at Vitali when he wins ;)

[FLINT ISLAND]

He may take a few £££ with a guaranteed shot at Vitali when he wins ;)


Makes sense

[JonOli]

Vitali is the fighter that got me interested in boxing, I love him as a fighter. However, no two ways about it 37 is old, especially when you've had 4 years out of the ring.

I'd hate to see Haye beat him, when Vitali would have crushed him in his prime; and I could see this happening. Prime Vitali is definitely better than his brother, but right now I'd say Wlad should be fighting a young dangerous guy like Haye, and Vitali should choose his opponents very carefully.


Nah 37 is not old for a heavy, they get better and many peak around that age. Being out for a while and not being in too many wars may actually be to VIts benefit. Lewis himself states he was far happier with himself as a boxer and his body in his 30s.

Chillax, Vit fan, you sound worried - Haye won't beat VIt.

[Beatboxer]

I give Haye more chance than many are, but I still want to see him lose....and at the moment I think it'll happen.

I will make my definitive pick nearer the time though.

[kosaros]

I don't know why everyone is writing off Haye's chances here, i mean he obviously has a plan against Vitali (like against Mormeck) otherwise why would he be wanting the fight so badly, because he could have easily stayed in the cruiserweight division and defended his titles a couple of times.

P.S we all thought November this year was big for british boxing, imagine if Hatton fights Pacman in June as well!

[NJ1979]

Fucking hell, fair play to him. He's not afraid to put his money where his mouth is.

[Max Molyneux]

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Vitali by KO!

[GazOC]

Haye has a lot of balls for sure. He knows Wladimir is the easier target.

I don't know what is going through his head. I really think he's lost his mind here. He should have just bided his time, took a few more fights until Wlad was free. Not only would this have aided his transition but he'd have got the more logical fight. Then if he won he could go for Vitali, and win or lose he would be respected.

Now he's going to wind up looking like a clown.

What if he gets sparked "biding his time"? I think he knows he's playing Russian Roulette at heavyweight and wants to take his chance whiles its avaliable.

[Max Molyneux]

I don't know why everyone is writing off Haye's chances here, i mean he obviously has a plan against Vitali (like against Mormeck) otherwise why would he be wanting the fight so badly, because he could have easily stayed in the cruiserweight division and defended his titles a couple of times.

P.S we all thought November this year was big for british boxing, imagine if Hatton fights Pacman in June as well!


Haye waits to just throw basic over hand rights and throws not much else, his stamina might still be suspect. Other than that he just moves around with no defence, making him an easy target.

Vitali Imposes himself on fighters and has a granite chin and makes It akward to hit him with his height.

[Infern0]

Well then, this is the end of David Haye, it was good while it lasted, prepare for the most severe beating of recent times.

[GazOC]

Well then, this is the end of David Haye, it was good while it lasted, prepare for the most severe beating of recent times.

Durable fighters get severe beatings, if Haye loses it will be by a clean KO.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Well then, this is the end of David Haye, it was good while it lasted, prepare for the most severe beating of recent times.

he might not be durable enough for a beating

more a herbie hide one punch scenario

[FLINT ISLAND]

Durable fighters get severe beatings, if Haye loses it will be by a clean KO.

beat me to it :lol::good

of course Haye is gonna go quick

Vitali punches too hard

[GazOC]

"Great minds...":good

[TFFP]

What if he gets sparked "biding his time"? I think he knows he's playing Russian Roulette at heavyweight and wants to take his chance whiles its avaliable.
That doesn't make any sense when we're talking about David Haye. If he's got the balls, the downright arrogrance and confidence to talk like he has been, and then fight Vitali...he ain't worried about getting KO'd by somebody else.

Haye's arrogrance and confidence is his problem here. He comes across as pretty smart, but his arrogance has just taken over and melted his brain. If he was thinking logically he would wait until he can fight Wlad. Give himself a chance.

[GazOC]

He;s arrogant but he's also a realist, every interview he gives he says he knows that if he gets caught by a decent punch at heavyweight then he's in serious trouble. He's taking his chance now while its avaliable, the division is that poor that even if he loses to Vit he's only 2 wins from a fight with Wlad.

[JonOli]

Well then, this is the end of David Haye, it was good while it lasted, prepare for the most severe beating of recent times.


The thing is if he gets beat it's possibly not the end for him. Most people expect him to lose and it's not like he's hanging onto an undefeated record for credibility. It's a shame that the attitude of "lose a fight and your finished" has found it's way into boxing. It's something that is bred by protected boxers holding on to dubious belts... promoters over inflating their undefeated phony "World Champions"...

Let the best fight the best, and applaud the loser for taking the fight is what I say.

[carrotcruncher]

He has talked his way to it. And it takes balls to face Vitali, who has never been down am or pro and hits hard and is huge. It is an investment on Klit to win in my opinion. Should pay for next Christmas. Haye has talent. But too small and too chinny.

[theboy_racer]

Vitali will be abig favourite, hope Haye can pull it off somehow

Was hoping he would get Wlad first.

[Betty Swollocks]

even if Haye gets sparked early he will still get a lot of credit from me anyway, he's got bollocks and from the fans point of view the guy has the perfect attitude to the sport.

[alba]

i would think haye would beat him .he would use his speed,but i wouldent expect him to try and knock vlad out in the first instnace.more wear him down and avoid vlads jab ...

[SouthpawSlayer]

respect to haye, good fight to look forward to, vitali ko
rd3

[Ed.]

Is Haye really that much of a one trick pony? Surely he can beef up stamina and just outwork Vitali? No need to expend energy you can't afford to lose trying to knock someone out who's hard to buzz.

Fundamentals 101. Haye can still do this and I suspect if he maintains good movement and avoids the jabs he can win most of the rounds.

[Darni187]

If Haye really wants it and trains hard he has a chance, his fitness has to be 110% spot on, i noticed in Haye last fight he looked a bit tried after a few rounds.

[Ed.]

If Haye really wants it and trains hard he has a chance, his fitness has to be 110% spot on, i noticed in Haye last fight he looked a bit tried after a few rounds.
That was Haye's bingo strategy for the fight, a strategy he can't use with Vitali. If he does, he fades late and loses.

[robpalmer135]

i fancy the Vitali fight for Haye. if haye jsut concentrates, vitali is like a statue. problem is this fight is 50/50 whether it will happen.

[brown bomber]

Its winnable, no doubt about it. I'd have perferred his chances Vs Vlad. Klitchko was troubled slightly by Hides and Byrds speed. He was also wide open to the uppercut and over hand right Vs Lewis. If you stand off the Klitchsko brothers they will pick you apart- but if you take it to them they have already demonstrated a lack of infighting ability. Klitschko looked great against Danny Williams and Sam Peter but I feel Haye represents hsi biggest test since Lewis. I'll go into detail closer to the time but as the two-time undisputed number one picker on ESB I can put together the Strategy for Haye to beat Klitschko. Whether Haye has got the durability and discipline to pull it off is another matter.

[Govanmauler]

Proves two things :

Haye has mad guts , respect to him for taking this !

Wlad is a shite bag and (as I predicted if i do say so myself ) never wanted anything with Haye.


This is a mega tough fight but I'm behind the Hayemaker all the way !

[ishy]

All right I know this sounds REALLY REALLY stupid but my pick for Vitali v Haye is Haye UD12. There I've said it. I think Haye uses his speed to outpoint Vitali, Haye should realise that the chances of him KO'ing Vitali are almost nil therefore he prepares for the 12 rounds and bases his gameplan on speed and lateral movement. :deal.


I said this yesterday within an hour of the story been andI still stand by it. The above is not my only reasoning- I'll go into depth later.

[Govanmauler]

If (and its a fairly big if !) Haye manages to beat Vitali , I'd put 50 bucks on Wladimir retiring, rather than face him.

Haye called Wladmimir out to his face , called him all the names under the sun and Wladmimir is fight who........................ Chris " the Burrito " Arreola. Ooooooh !

[FLINT ISLAND]

Haye got guts alright

However dont go overboard with the guts part yet

As he has yet to face Vitali in a ring

And if the night comes and he shits his pants and freezes and gets knocked out in the
1st round.............he wont be looking so brave then

Dont get me wrong............I'm not slagging Haye off here............I hope he gives Vitali a real good fight

However he has never fought anyone as imposing as Vitali and you never know come the night how Haye is gonna deal with it all

[icemax]

Vitali is the fighter that got me interested in boxing, I love him as a fighter. However, no two ways about it 37 is old, especially when you've had 4 years out of the ring.


I don't think that 37 is particularly old in HW terms, but the 4 years out of the ring could be the leveller. If Haye can set a fast enough pace then physically I think that the wheels could come off for Vit.

Haye now has 6 months to work on a plan, and just hope that he can execute it to perfection in June. Haye certainly has a large set of danglers for taking this fight, but I do actually give him a chance.

[trotter]

Haye got guts alright

However dont go overboard with the guts part yet

As he has yet to face Vitali in a ring

And if the night comes and he shits his pants and freezes and gets knocked out in the
1st round.............he wont be looking so brave then

Dont get me wrong............I'm not slagging Haye off here............I hope he gives Vitali a real good fight

However he has never fought anyone as imposing as Vitali and you never know come the night how Haye is gonna deal with it all

Nothing to suggest this will happen though

He took challenges early, he's took the hardest routes available throughout his career, there's actually far more reason to believe he will rise to the occasion

[Broxi]

i would think haye would beat him .he would use his speed,but i wouldent expect him to try and knock vlad out in the first instnace.more wear him down and avoid vlads jab ...

Yeah, unfortunately for Haye he has to fight Vitali. :lol:

Big respect win or lose to Haye for 1: going out there and calling out Wlad and 2: not backing down when Vitali (most likely the pinnacle of the current HW division) picked up the gauntlet.

I hope he can win, I really do and I'm not going to write him off just yet on the basis of docs win over Sam Peter but he's up against it here. If it goes ahead in the UK, I'll need to be making a trip for this one.

[GazOC]

Its winnable, no doubt about it. I'd have perferred his chances Vs Vlad. Klitchko was troubled slightly by Hides and Byrds speed. He was also wide open to the uppercut and over hand right Vs Lewis. If you stand off the Klitchsko brothers they will pick you apart- but if you take it to them they have already demonstrated a lack of infighting ability. Klitschko looked great against Danny Williams and Sam Peter but I feel Haye represents hsi biggest test since Lewis. I'll go into detail closer to the time but as the two-time undisputed number one picker on ESB I can put together the Strategy for Haye to beat Klitschko. Whether Haye has got the durability and discipline to pull it off is another matter.

If your strategy is going to rely on Haye being durable to any degree you might want to re-think it...;)

[kieron]

I really want Haye to win and as said previosuly you can't right him off but I just can't get the Herbie Hide scenario out of my mind. I think it will be a sad repeat of this. I also agree that Haye knows he's on borrowed time in the division due to his size and punch resistance so why chance fighting two or three guys before, risk getting sparked and lose his big money making shot

[Max Molyneux]

Haye's speed didn't stop his from slow as a turtle Mormeck KD him.

Haye has a lack of Inside fighting too, both Klit's lean back defensively using their height to their advantage when a fighter Is close though.

[TFFP]

Haye got guts alright

However dont go overboard with the guts part yet

As he has yet to face Vitali in a ring

And if the night comes and he shits his pants and freezes and gets knocked out in the
1st round.............he wont be looking so brave then

Dont get me wrong............I'm not slagging Haye off here............I hope he gives Vitali a real good fight

However he has never fought anyone as imposing as Vitali and you never know come the night how Haye is gonna deal with it all
Yeah he might do an Enzo when he sees a big scary man on the other side of that ring.

[Benjiabc]

Haye has a lot of balls for sure. He knows Wladimir is the easier target.

I don't know what is going through his head. I really think he's lost his mind here. He should have just bided his time, took a few more fights until Wlad was free. Not only would this have aided his transition but he'd have got the more logical fight. Then if he won he could go for Vitali, and win or lose he would be respected.

Now he's going to wind up looking like a clown.


exactly

[achillesthegreat]

Haye has such fucking big balls. He just couldn't settle for the easier brother who he could ko. He went after the bigger and tougher brother. You got to love it.

[Ed.]

Haye has such fucking big balls. He just couldn't settle for the easier brother who he could ko. He went after the bigger and tougher brother. You got to love it.
Want some soap and a sponge there mate? :shock:

[Doyley10]

Have we got a date for this yet? I'm in Africa 1st - 23rd June so am a tad concerned I'm going to miss it.....

[ishy]

Lennox to join Team Haye!

David Haye will team up with former undisputed world heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis when he bids to snatch the WBC title from Vitali Klitschko next summer.

Former world cruiserweight champion Haye travelled to Germany this weekend to hold negotiations for a title shot in 2009.

Klitschko's brother Wladimir, 32, had seemed the likelier opponent but after talks with both of the Ukrainian brothers, it was decided former undisputed cruiserweight world champion Haye, who only made the move up to heavyweight last month, would fight elder brother Vitali, 37, first.

The financial and logistical details have all been agreed and the fight will take place in June, probably at Wembley Stadium or Stamford Bridge.

Haye will not have a warm-up in the meantime, instead opting to spend six months preparing for his bid to become a two-weight world champion at just 28.

He is unsurprisingly confident of winning the title and has been further boosted by the offer from his friend Lewis to help out with preparations.

Lewis, who retired as undisputed champion in 2003, bowed out with a controversial cuts stoppage victory over Vitali Klitschko and is therefore better placed than most to advise Londoner Haye.

Haye said: "I'm really good friends with Lennox.

"He wasn't impressed with Wladimir's performance against Hasim Rahman (a seventh-round stoppage on Saturday) either and thinks I would knock him out.

"Lennox has worked with me in the gym before, he's seen me sparring, he knows I'm the real deal.

"I'll definitely bring him on board in an advisory role.

"He's fought Vitali, he knows what works and what doesn't and if there's anyone to give me advice about strategy, it's Lennox. Maybe I'll go to the States where he is based. I've got six months, a long build-up to the fight, so why not?"

Londoner Haye made the permanent move up to heavyweight last month with an explosive stoppage victory over American veteran Monte Barrett, and believes the nature of that win convinced Vitali to step into the ring with him rather than his more vulnerable younger brother Wladimir, the IBF and WBO champion.

Haye (22-1, 21KOs) added: "It was always going to be Wladimir until my fight with Barrett.

"But Vitali was ringside for my victory over Barrett and I think he saw something in me that he doesn't want his brother getting involved in, someone like me, who isn't afraid of getting jabbed.

"I am someone who wants to go out there throwing bombs and my bombs on Wladimir's chin would equal a knockout.

"Vitali knows he has got a lot better chin (than Wladimir). He's a lot sturdier and stronger, so I think he made a family decision and put himself in the firing line."

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[Ed.]

Don't see what Lennox can bring! He was being outboxed when they fought. Lennox fights like Klitschko anyway but is a better closer.

[achillesthegreat]

Want some soap and a sponge there mate? :shock:
yes please.

[kurt2006]

Its vit

Haye said he scared vit into it

Haye is talking shot, Vit did not look scared in the RTL interview after Wlads fight on Saturday. If anything Vit had a menacing look as if he was looking forward to beating the crap out of Haye.

Haye had a chance against Wlad but Vit is far beter than Wlad and will beat Haye easily.

[achillesthegreat]

Haye is talking shot, Vit did not look scared in the RTL interview after Wlads fight on Saturday. If anything Vit had a menacing look as if he was looking forward to beating the crap out of Haye.

Haye had a chance against Wlad but Vit is far beter than Wlad and will beat Haye easily.

Agreed. I think Vit is very menacing. His stare downs are cold. I think he is the angry brother. Look how angry he got when Sanders beat Wlad and was threatening Sanders. Vitali looks quite angry sometimes. To be honest, with Haye I feel he is struggling to stay professional. In the RTL interview he hit Haye playfully but I think it was masked cos he was serious.

[John18]

Firstly, heres hoping Haye can do it. Although I think he has bitten off more than he can chew. Personally, having seen Wlads last 3 fights, I would have made that a 60-40 fight. Why he's going after Vitali, who he can't KO, unless it goes late, which would include Haye not getting KO'd in the meantime, is beyond me.

Having said that, their has been some strange comments in this thread.

One was regarding Vitali chasing Haye down. Vitali hadn't fought for 4 years before coming up against an immobile fat midget. He didn't need to chase him, or exchange punches to land the one he wanted to. What proof do we have that he can cope with movement? (and I mean Vitali 2009, not Vitali 2002)

Flint, if you think Haye will shit himself you are even more deluded than I thought.

[John18]

Don't see what Lennox can bring! He was being outboxed when they fought. Lennox fights like Klitschko anyway but is a better closer.

Prime Lennox would have stopped Vitali quicker than he actually did.

[trotter]

One was regarding Vitali chasing Haye down. Vitali hadn't fought for 4 years before coming up against an immobile fat midget. He didn't need to chase him, or exchange punches to land the one he wanted to. What proof do we have that he can cope with movement? (and I mean Vitali 2009, not Vitali 2002)

Indeed, Peter was ABYSMAL. Truly awful. Just stood there, then plodded slowly into range time and again, and took a pounding.

There's no stylistic comparison with Haye IMO, who is athletic and explosive.

I definitely think there are slight question marks about whether Vitali is still the same fighter. Peter was that bad I can't take that fight as conclusive proof.

Haye is young, hungry and has been a dedicated fighter for the last 5 years, Vitali hasn't.

[Diablo]

Cant see Vitali ditching the WBC title to fight Haye asap.

Haye will need to wait until after Vitali meets Gomez.

[JonOli]

If Haye was to some how beat Vitali, I wonder how that would affect Wlads mentality.

[Ed.]

If Haye was to some how beat Vitali, I wonder how that would affect Wlads mentality.
He would need some soft toilet paper.

[Doppleganger]

Haye's going after a big pay-day and striking while the iron's hot. Fair play to him for accepting the harder of the 2 brothers but he's only got a slim chance of outpointing Vitali or to hope that Vitali's gets cut bad or gets injured. He's got more chance of becoming the King of England than he has actually knocking Vitali out. Unless you can kick him in the head Vitali's not going down from anything he might face from Haye.

I hope he does it and it will be a great night but he's got virtually no chance, IMO.

[The taff]

Too much too soon - and Vitali is far to big for him. he won't put him down, wlad would have been better with his dodgy chin

[riot187]

I'd love know what David's thinking here because on first glance it appears he's being brave to the point o foolishness. I'm guessing he has a plan in mind to exploit some perceived weakness of Vitali's. I wonder if he's going to fool everybody by boxing for points rather than trying to bomb VK out of there. I hope so as I seriously don't see his punches having a concussive effect on Klitschko.

If he is indeed going to try and box I just hope someone can get him to raise his mits! He can't rely on his reflexes fpr 12 rounds.

Anyway, this strategy could exploit slowness and possibly poor stamina and could just work.

Gotta hand it to Haye though. He said he was coming up to fight the best and went straight after the toughest opponent (for Haye Stylewise) out there. Maybe now people will see why he ran his mouth so much. He's goaded Vitali into this without a doubt.

Very clever individual, Haye.

[onourway]

I don't think we can rule out Vitali going down.

How many punchers has he fought?

This is the heavyweight division, a well timed shot from Haye could put anyone down I think.

[Doppleganger]

I don't think we can rule out Vitali going down.

How many punchers has he fought?

This is the heavyweight division, a well timed shot from Haye could put anyone down I think.
Vitali took a monster uppercut from Lewis and didn't go down - that alone demonstrates to me the quality of his chin. True, you never know, especially with heavyweights but I just don't see it. Vitali's chin is in the McCall/Chuvalo class IMO.

[SouthpawSlayer]

haye is in a win win situation thats probably one of two things going in his favour, that and speed

[icemax]

Vitali took a monster uppercut from Lewis and didn't go down .

But the effect of the shot meant that he was draped all over Lewis like some pissed up, drunken whore...he was definately on queer street.

[DamonD]

More importantly, Vitali is after all 37 years old and will be 38 by the time this fight comes around. Punch resistance does decline, and he hasn't taken any real heavy shots since Sanders in early '04. You also can't discount the fact that, if Haye can get through (that's the key), there's a question over both that and cuts as well.

Sure, Haye by KO is the least of the likely outcomes but the 100% certainly from some quarters in General seems a little presumptive. There are ways.

Personally...I feel Haye will be looking to outslick Vitali over 12. Do what Herbie Hide did for one round, for twelve :P

It's been a real hornet's nest in General.

[yesihavearm2]

But the effect of the shot meant that he was draped all over Lewis like some pissed up, drunken whore...he was definately on queer street.

Exactly

How many times has Vitali been caught big by a known puncher ?

All we have is the Lennox fight to go on and while that uppercut was savage it wasnt a knockover blow because of the angle and that Vitali pretty much held on for dear life.

If Lennox had landed with the 1-2 that he knocked Rahman out with Vitali gets knocked out.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Corrie Saunders hurt Vitali at one point in their fight..........early on I believe

Saunders can bang though

[mrbassie]

Lewis almost had him towards the end of the sixth, a short right against the ropes and Vit hung on for dear life, see 6:02 [Only registered and activated users can see links]

people-and I use the term loosely-on the general forum are calling him "a man who cannot be knocked down"

[ishy]

Vitali has got a great chin but he's no McCall or Chuvalo chin-wise. He hasn't faced enough punchers for his chin to be regarded that highly.

That uppercut from Lewis was muderous though and would have had most HW's out cold.

[Max Molyneux]

Vitali has got a great chin but he's no McCall or Chuvalo chin-wise. He hasn't faced enough punchers for his chin to be regarded that highly.

That uppercut from Lewis was muderous though and would have had most HW's out cold.

Haye's power at HW Isn't exactly proven to be above average yet though, Barrett was very negative and even Audley stopped Bonin.

Haye will never hit as hard as Lewis.

[DamonD]

I think I would already qualify it as 'above average'.
Don't think he's shown he's a murderous puncher yet, but he seems to have carried his weight up fine.

Audley took several rounds to stop Bonin (and that was seen as a quick stoppage too) while apart from the Couser loss Barrett has usually been very gutsy and durable. Wladimir had to beat the shit out of him too to finish him off in 7.

[achillesthegreat]

Questioning Hayes power at heavyweight is silly. In his two official heavyweight fights he has rocked/hurt his opponent pretty much every time he has landed AND THAT INCLUDES JABS!

[onourway]

I still have doubts over Vitali's chin. He seems to have built a reputation because he survived one punch.

The uppercut is a punch where monster ones land, but the person won't always go down, not sure if it's because of the angle or what.

Look at Calzaghe - Kessler, Kessler lands a huge uppercut, which Calzaghe survives....but then he gets floored by a straight right from Hopkins.

[Beatboxer]

Haye is beginning to win me over again, the story at the restaurant is genuius.

Really is starting invoke comparisons with a certain other fighter with these mind games....one who tormented a feared heavyweight champion when he was shooting craps, one who set up shop on his front garden.....one who acted like a buffoon at the subsequent weigh in....

These sort of shenaigans helped make Cassius Clay who became Muhammad Ali, a legend when he backed up his claims.

I do believe Haye has the ability to do the same, but getting through both Klitschkos is a huge ask.

I admire his bottle for attempting to do so though.

[Grant1]

What happened at the restaurant?

[Beatboxer]

What happened at the restaurant?

Haye and Vitali were having a nice, civlised meal finalising the details for their fight....just as they were about to shake hands, Haye presented Klitschko with the infamous picture in this months Men's Health issue of him holding Wladimir's decapitated head....

Vitali reacted furiously and apparently a bout of wrestling broke out....

Now on the face of it, many would feel this was a bit tasteless and nasty to say the least....but that little provocative gesture, especially in the context it came in (meal in fancy restaurant) could prove to be a signficant psychological blow, delivered by Haye to Vitali....

Will he become angry and unfocused as Liston did all those years ago with Ali?

It's an interesting tactic, and one that has got me thinking for sure. Plus, it builds hype for the fight.

[kurt2006]

That will just spur on Vitali to give Haye a right old spanking. Vit will control the fight from round 1 and Haye will not last 12.

[doggyland]

Haye has got the guts, the power and the combinations to deliver the power - but he badly needs a 15 round set of lungs and legs for this one imo.

[kurt2006]

Haye has got the guts, the power and the combinations to deliver the power - but he badly needs a 15 round set of lungs and legs for this one imo.

He will never develop that without the roadwork and he hates doing that so concentrates on speed/sprinting etc with Ladejo.

[icemax]

Haye has got the guts, the power and the combinations to deliver the power - but he badly needs a 15 round set of lungs and legs for this one imo.

Absolutely right. The good thing is that he has 6 months to prep for this...he needs to stay off of the weights and spar his arse of.

[trotter]

He will never develop that without the roadwork and he hates doing that so concentrates on speed/sprinting etc with Ladejo.

Crazy really when he is in a sport that is essentially a hardcore 36 minute exercise

What's that equivalent to time-wise, a 10,000 metre race or something? And he's training with a sprinter...

[JonOli]

Closer to the time this fight is going to be HUGE!!!:D

I want him to win, but it's hard to get fully behind Haye though like you would say Bruno...

[monim]

vitali's last opponent peter was absolute shite, so its not like he has had a good warm up fight for haye, plus hes bin out a long time b4 that. i reckon haye will win this 1. he shud of took wlad 1st tho, he would smash him no mither.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I really like David Haye and he is fun to watch. The Klitschkos are beatable. Anyone who lands cleanly on Wladimir who can punch will retire him. Vitali is tougher hence the reason Haye has picked him. Haye goes for the glory. What a fighter and what a man. Win or lose he has definitely got my respect.

[ishy]

Another update:

43-year-old Lennox Lewis is set to spar with David Haye after offering his support to the exciting Brit's bid to become heavyweight champion of the world. .

Lewis retired as undisputed champion in 2003 after beating Vitali Klitschko but he has been in talks with Haye about the build up to next June's title bout in London.

Klitschko will face 'The Hayemaker' at a venue in the capital in the division's most eagerly-awaited contest for years with Emirates Stadium emerging as an alternative to Stamford Bridge and Wembley to stage the fight.

"Lennox offered to spar with David immediately he knew that an agreement had been reached with Klitschko," said Haye's manager Adam Booth.

"Lennox was in Germany to commentate for American TV station HBO when Vitali's brother Vladimir Klitschko beat Hasim Rahman at the weekend. He seems to have really taken to David and wants to do all he can to help him land the heavyweight title."

The exact venue has still to be finalised for the scrap, which will be live on Setanta Sports, but Booth has backed Haye's plans to hold it at a major footballing arena.

"Arsenal have been in touch to say they would be interested in staging the bout," added Booth. "And of course they already have the necessary entertainments licence.

"But no firm decision will be made for a little while, although we are obviously keen to get everything finalised as soon as we possibly can."

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[ScouseLad]

I really like David Haye and he is fun to watch. The Klitschkos are beatable. Anyone who lands cleanly on Wladimir who can punch will retire him. Vitali is tougher hence the reason Haye has picked him. Haye goes for the glory. What a fighter and what a man. Win or lose he has definitely got my respect.

Some would say he's the exact opposite of your guy. :good

[ishy]

Some would say he's the exact opposite of your guy. :good

:lol: Don't start all of that again please...

[ScouseLad]

:lol: Don't start all of that again please...

Haha sorry mate, but that was set up so beautifully I just had to!

[ishy]

Haha sorry mate, but that was set up so beautifully I just had to!

:lol::good

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Some would say he's the exact opposite of your guy. :good

This just goes to show how little you and others know about my guy. We have faced whoever the put in front of us. The better the competition the more we kick ass. Just ask Bradley Pryce, Ali Nuubembee and company.

It looks like Junior Witter next in the WBC eliminator in the New Year when Junior will become Elder Witter by the time we finish with him.

[Beeston Brawler]

I hope for your sake that is true, because there has been nothing of note for the past two and a half years other than chat from yourself and Frank Maloney.

When is the Witter fight happening - we know Witter loves a long layoff :lol:

Good luck anyways!

[ScouseLad]

This just goes to show how little you and others know about my guy. We have faced whoever the put in front of us. The better the competition the more we kick ass. Just ask Bradley Pryce, Ali Nuubembee and company.

It looks like Junior Witter next in the WBC eliminator in the New Year when Junior will become Elder Witter by the time we finish with him.

Your guy is 29, been a pro what 7,8 years? and is still fighting nobodies in 6 rounders.

The Witter fight will be good if it comes off for you but i'll believe it when I see it.

[Grant1]

Your guy is 29, been a pro what 7,8 years? and is still fighting nobodies in 6 rounders.

The Witter fight will be good if it comes off for you but i'll believe it when I see it.

He has to fight 6 rounders everybody else is ducking him :good

[Grant1]

This just goes to show how little you and others know about my guy. We have faced whoever the put in front of us. The better the competition the more we kick ass. Just ask Bradley Pryce, Ali Nuubembee and company.

It looks like Junior Witter next in the WBC eliminator in the New Year when Junior will become Elder Witter by the time we finish with him.

If Junior Witter fights somebody who's last opponent was 1-3-1 I'll be absolutely amazed.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Witter is a good fighter

Hatton ducked him for years............a sign that hatton lackd the confidence to beat Junior

i honestly think Junior would have turned him over a few years ago

But Hattons career has been much more successful

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Your guy is 29, been a pro what 7,8 years? and is still fighting nobodies in 6 rounders.

The Witter fight will be good if it comes off for you but i'll believe it when I see it.

Not sure Kpadenue, Holgate, Pryce, Wright and Nuumbembee will appreciate being called nobodies. The so called somebodies like Cynthia Lynes have refused to step until someone else beat them.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

If Junior Witter fights somebody who's last opponent was 1-3-1 I'll be absolutely amazed.

So what when we knocked out Nuumbembee he was practically unbeaten. Of course he has not been the same sine as he. Holgate retired after our war and Pryce has never asked for a rematch as he which should probably tell you something.

[Beeston Brawler]

The fact that Nuubembe was/wasn't unbeaten is irrelevant.

For a stay busy fight you could do an awful lot better than a guy with a 1-3-1 record, especially as you have previously stated that you feel your man can stop anyone below 147 - including the ironchinned Margarito.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Witter is a good fighter

Hatton ducked him for years............a sign that hatton lackd the confidence to beat Junior

i honestly think Junior would have turned him over a few years ago

But Hattons career has been much more successful

I don't know if Hatton really ducked or just hates his guts so much that he is not prepared to grant him the payday. Hatton may find him awkward and stylistically difficult but Hatton I think is the tougher man. Junior is a classic flat track bully but put him in with someone who can really hurt or threaten him and his level declines.

[ScouseLad]

Not sure Kpadenue, Holgate, Pryce, Wright and Nuumbembee will appreciate being called nobodies.

Well its true in boxing terms isnt it? Do you think anyone in boxing (apart from you) thinks your guy is great because he's beat Bradley Pryce and some average African fighters? I appreciate someone like Pryce is a decent win for an up n comer but that was 4 years ago now and if recent form is anything to go by your oppo at 29 years old is getting worse and worse not better and better.

I hope this Witter fight happens for you so you have a chance to back up some of the wild claims but it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if you're still here in a year after another non year saying everyone's avoiding you.

[columbo man]

he needs a tune up fight in between , i will be concerned for haye on that june night, but haye is a very dangerous opponent and vitali has to be in top shape to win!!!!

[Grant1]

So what when we knocked out Nuumbembee he was practically unbeaten. Of course he has not been the same sine as he. Holgate retired after our war and Pryce has never asked for a rematch as he which should probably tell you something.

That was just waffle. It made no reference at all to my post.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

That was just waffle. It made no reference at all to my post.

The WBC have ordered the title eliminator at the recent convention. Basically the winner of Ajose versus Witter is to take on the winner of Bradley versus Devon Alexander. I really don't care which of these guys we face as we will win. Looking forward to the Witter contest very much. The WBC title is coming to Nigeria.

As for Haye the fact he is going after Vitali rather than the weak chinned Vladimir tells me how high his confidence level is. Put it this way he is the most exciting Crusierweight since Evander Holyfield. I think he has an excellent chance. Quite frankly I am getting sick of the Old Soviet block domination of the greatest prize in sports. Had Ike Ibeabuchi not got incarcerated we would never have had to suffer these calamities. I think the key will be Haye's speed athleticism coupled with his punching power.

[Beeston Brawler]

The WBC have ordered the title eliminator at the recent convention. Basically the winner of Ajose versus Witter is to take on the winner of Bradley versus Devon Alexander. I really don't care which of these guys we face as we will win. Looking forward to the Witter contest very much. The WBC title is coming to Nigeria.

As for Haye the fact he is going after Vitali rather than the weak chinned Vladimir tells me how high his confidence level is. Put it this way he is the most exciting Crusierweight since Evander Holyfield. I think he has an excellent chance. Quite frankly I am getting sick of the Old Soviet block domination of the greatest prize in sports. Had Ike Ibeabuchi not got incarcerated we would never have had to suffer these calamities. I think the key will be Haye's speed athleticism coupled with his punching power.

For a change I will agree!

They have about as much charisma as a paper plate.....

Especially Valuev, Chagaev and Iggy - the Klit bro's aren't that bad to be fair.

Ibeabuchi was a nutter, the way he dealt with Chris Byrd still amazes me.

[saturday_kid]

For a change I will agree!

They have about as much charisma as a paper plate.....

Especially Valuev, Chagaev and Iggy - the Klit bro's aren't that bad to be fair.

Ibeabuchi was a nutter, the way he dealt with Chris Byrd still amazes me.

You 2 are agreeing?

It must be xmas :good

[Olu G. Rotimi]

You 2 are agreeing?

It must be xmas :good

Saturday Kid I love Beeston Brawler and all the regular posters on this site. I don't expect all to agree with me. One thing I don't doubt is the integrity and love of boxing you all have.

Beeston is probably correct about Ike. In fact I actually know that he is. It was not just that he kayoed the unbeaten at that Byrd and beat the undefeated and heavily favoured Tua it was the manner in which he did it. He had everything Evander Holyfield had at his peak just much bigger and stronger with excellent ring generalship. A combination puncher with skill as well as i punch power. Put it theis way he was the 1 guy Frank Maloney was never particularly keen for Lennox to get in with. He also had a grade A chin.

Maybe Dr Iron Fist and Dr Steel Hammer are not so bad but hell this is boxing not Rocky IV the Ivan Drago types. I have not seen a great deal of Chris Arreola but it looks like Heavyweight championship is becoming an Eastern European thing with occassional threats from Africa.

Merry Xmas to you all.

[JonOli]

A year delay isn't too bad, but I think Haye fans should be pressing for a fight with one of the two Klits now.


IMO, accepting Valuev II is a bit taking the Mickey, as is any other fight other than the Klits, for a man who claims the things Haye does.

[Neverchair]

A year away might be a smart move for Haye.

I would hope to see Vitali fight a couple of times before that and he's not going to get any better or any younger.

Haye may well catch him just at the right time to out-speed and out-point an aging Klitschko.

[TheUnstoppable]

It perplexes me when people say Vitali will annihilate Haye. He's the favorite for sure but I think Haye has a decent enough chance in the fight.

[dan-b]

A year delay isn't too bad, but I think Haye fans should be pressing for a fight with one of the two Klits now.


IMO, accepting Valuev II is a bit taking the Mickey, as is any other fight other than the Klits, for a man who claims the things Haye does.

A rematch clause is a rematch clause though. He'll be legally obligated to face Valuev or else face litigation. Do you really think he wants to risk everything again, against Valuev, when he could be taking that risk against a Klit?

[ImElvis666]

A rematch clause is a rematch clause though. He'll be legally obligated to face Valuev or else face litigation. Do you really think he wants to risk everything again, against Valuev, when he could be taking that risk against a Klit?

Wasn't the rematch clause one of his main problems with the contract he had with Klitscho. I think David Haye will ride the British public for all he can by fighting non threats for the forseeable future. He is a draw now, losing to a Klit would be the end of his popularity. He will fight the Valuevs and Ruiz's or even the B-Hops because he'll make dosh and keep his "best heavyweight in the world :nut" status.

Maybe, just maybe, he will fight a senile Vitali who needs nappies and a zimmer frame to get around, in 2012.

Hope I am wrong though but that is what I see happening.

[threethirteen]

Honestly, fucking rematch clauses. I'm sick of them when it's a fight no one wants to see.

[Neverchair]

It perplexes me when people say Vitali will annihilate Haye. He's the favorite for sure but I think Haye has a decent enough chance in the fight.

I agree.

If I had to bet my house on it, id play safe with Vitali.

Haye though is better than Chambers, Gomez etc and will be a lot more dangerous.

Possibly Vitali's biggest challenge since Lewis?

[dan-b]

Wasn't the rematch clause one of his main problems with the contract he had with Klitscho. I think David Haye will ride the British public for all he can by fighting non threats for the forseeable future. He is a draw now, losing to a Klit would be the end of his popularity. He will fight the Valuevs and Ruiz's or even the B-Hops because he'll make dosh and keep his "best heavyweight in the world :nut" status.

Maybe, just maybe, he will fight a senile Vitali who needs nappies and a zimmer frame to get around, in 2012.

Hope I am wrong though but that is what I see happening.

Yes, because Haye is renowned for not seeking out the best challenges.:roll:

[ImElvis666]

Yes, because Haye is renowned for not seeking out the best challenges.:roll:

He is renowned for backing out of them.

[dan-b]

He is renowned for backing out of them.

You're just a disgruntled Klithugger aren't you? Haven't you got anything better to do with your bank holiday Monday than troll an Internet forum? Probably not, but I'll make a suggestion, go hang yourself.:good

[ImElvis666]

You're just a disgruntled Klithugger aren't you? Haven't you got anything better to do with your bank holiday Monday than troll an Internet forum? Probably not, but I'll make a suggestion, go hang yourself.:good

So sensitive. I made a reasonable prediction (based on what has already happened, he backed out of two agreements, said he was coming after the Klits after he beat Valuev, then he has to beat his mandatory Ruiz and then it will be the Klits but now he must rematch Valuev. add that to the Hopkins rumours which may or may not have any substance to them) Then I stated a fact. He is renowned for backing out of the big challenges. Ask any non Brit. Maybe you can't handle that fact and feel the need to attack anyone who points it out. :|

I'm not trolling. I made a reasonable post. You failed to make a counter argument and got shitty. If anyone is trolling it's you. You ignored the fact that Haye had no problem with the rematch clause with Valuev but cried about it when it was against Wlad.

PS. I'm not a Klit fan. I don't care all the much for any of the HW division.

[dan-b]

So sensitive. I made a reasonable prediction (based on what has already happened, he backed out of two agreements, said he was coming after the Klits after he beat Valuev, then he has to beat his mandatory Ruiz and then it will be the Klits but now he must rematch Valuev. add that to the Hopkins rumours which may or may not have any substance to them) Then I stated a fact. He is renowned for backing out of the big challenges. Ask any non Brit. Maybe you can't handle that fact and feel the need to attack anyone who points it out. :|

I'm not trolling. I made a reasonable post. You failed to make a counter argument and got shitty. If anyone is trolling it's you. You ignored the fact that Haye had no problem with the rematch clause with Valuev but cried about it when it was against Wlad.

PS. I'm not a Klit fan. I don't care all the much for any of the HW division.

Whatever you say troll.:good

[GazOC]

He is renowned for backing out of them.

Haye has had only 24 fights, and in that time has all but unified the cruiserweight division and is now the WBA heavyweight champ. Thats not a fighter who is renowned for backing out of challenges.

Just because a couple of fight negotiations went pear shaped because Setanta went bust or they couldn't agree over purses/ rematches/ options doesn't mean Haye is backing down.

[ImElvis666]

Whatever you say troll.:good

:lol::good

Truth hurts.

[dan-b]

:lol::good

Truth hurts.

No, no. It's only useless trolls with no life that are emotionally attached to these things.:good

[ImElvis666]

Haye has had only 24 fights, and in that time has all but unified the cruiserweight division and is now the WBA heavyweight champ. Thats not a fighter who is renowned for backing out of challenges.

Just because a couple of fight negotiations went pear shaped because Setanta went bust or they couldn't agree over purses/ rematches/ options doesn't mean Haye is backing down.

Haye was a beast in CW. He deserves his dues for what he did at that weight. But what people remember him for is the Klit fiasco. That is what he is renowned for now.

If Haye fights either of them this year I'll give him props. I can't see it happening though.

[GazOC]

Haye was a beast in CW. He deserves his dues for what he did at that weight. But what people remember him for is the Klit fiasco. That is what he is renowned for now.

If Haye fights either of them this year I'll give him props. I can't see it happening though.

He's "renowned" for not fighting Klitscho? When Setanta went bust and the funding for his purse fell though?

That happened but, unless they've changed the definition of the word, "renowned" is a very poor choice.

[ImElvis666]

No, no. It's only useless trolls with no life that are emotionally attached to these things.:good

Ignore me then if you think I am a troll. I want to have a discussion not a slagging match. You are the one behaving like a troll here.

[TFFP]

Speak for yourself. I think anybody with a sensible head on their shoulders would know him as a former unified cruiserweight champion and guy thats just stepped up and won a belt and has started his heavyweight campaign well. Only if you pay more attention to what goes on outside the ring than what happens in it would you think that.

[dan-b]

He's "renowned" for not fighting Klitscho? When Setanta went bust and the funding for his purse fell though?

That happened but, unless they've changed the definition of the word, "renowned" is a very poor choice.

He stole the word from me, he probably didn't even know what it meant until I used it and he looked its definition up on dictionary.com.

[dan-b]

Ignore me then if you think I am a troll. I want to have a discussion not a slagging match. You are the one behaving like a troll here.

:|:|:|:|:|

[ImElvis666]

He's "renowned" for not fighting Klitscho? When Setanta went bust and the funding for his purse fell though?

That happened but, unless they've changed the definition of the word, "renowned" is a very poor choice.

He is seen by the majority of the boxing world as the guy who made a lot of noise about unifying the division and running his mouth off and then getting suspect back injuries around fight time leading to two agreements to fall through. Very few people outside of the UK took notice of him until he called out the Klits so this is what he is viewed as by most.

[TFFP]

That has jack shit to do with why he's hated in the General forum and by Americans in general. They were on his ass before he even backed out of the fights, if thats what happened. Can't say I followed all the negotiations and it never ceases to amaze me how many people spend more time talking about fight negotiations than boxing.

Everybody hates him because apparently its not cool to talk trash unless you are an American. If James Toney does it 'yeehaw go James!'. Not so much for a Brit. That's what I've observed, its pretty transparent because people were talking shit long before any of the Klitschko sagas. That just added fuel to the fire.

[dan-b]

That has jack shit to do with why he's hated in the General forum and by Americans in general. They were on his ass before he even backed out of the fights, if thats what happened. Can't say I followed all the negotiations and it never ceases to amaze me how many people spend more time talking about fight negotiations than boxing.

Everybody hates him because apparently its not cool to talk trash unless you are an American. If James Toney does it 'yeehaw go James!'. Not so much for a Brit. That's what I've observed, its pretty transparent because people were talking shit long before any of the Klitschko sagas. That just added fuel to the fire.

Oh yeah, if it's Mayweather it's cool also. He can dodge all the fighters he likes, but he's a Hip Hop gangsta, so it's alright!

[GazOC]

He is seen by the majority of the boxing world as the guy who made a lot of noise about unifying the division and running his mouth off and then getting suspect back injuries around fight time leading to two agreements to fall through. Very few people outside of the UK took notice of him until he called out the Klits so this is what he is viewed as by most.

The Wlad fight fell through because Hayes purse went missing. Simple as that.

The Vit fight went south because of the options Vitali wanted, that sort of stuff happens in contract negotiations.

I wouldn't say these 2 issues define how he is seen by the boxing world at all.

I would say he is best known in the boxing world as the WBA heavyweight champion of the world rather than the guy who saw to proposed fights fall though.

[GazOC]

That has jack shit to do with why he's hated in the General forum and by Americans in general. They were on his ass before he even backed out of the fights, if thats what happened. Can't say I followed all the negotiations and it never ceases to amaze me how many people spend more time talking about fight negotiations than boxing.

Yep, the number of financial experts and contracts lawyers on the General Forum far outweighs the number of boxing fans.

[threethirteen]

Haye's best known for making Maccarinelli do a funny dance, doing the same to Valuev and getting up to knock Mormeck out cold.

Yep, the number of financial experts and contracts lawyers on the General Forum far outweighs the number of boxing fans.

I've noticed that too. Suddenly everyone knows what is in contracts despite never seeing them.

[TFFP]

Mormeck was actually stopped on his feet by the ref :p

[dan-b]

Haye's best known for making Maccarinelli do a funny dance, doing the same to Valuev and getting up to knock Mormeck out cold.



I've noticed that too. Suddenly everyone knows what is in contracts despite never seeing them.

It's part of the reason I stopped posting for a few months. That Pac v Mayweather stuff was ridiculous.

[ollyc]

He is seen by the majority of the boxing world as the guy who made a lot of noise about unifying the division and running his mouth off and then getting suspect back injuries around fight time leading to two agreements to fall through. Very few people outside of the UK took notice of him until he called out the Klits so this is what he is viewed as by most.

'The majority'? I want names and addresses.
Does Daniel Jacobs's nutrionist concur?
What about Robert Helenius's cutman?
More importantly what does Elie Seckbach have to say on the matter?

[Trenaman]

i thought this was a fresh link with fight this summer! felt a bit sorry for sosnowski but would have been quality!

[Haye]

The falling through of the Klitschko fights have actually been the best career move he has ever made.

He was on the cusp of fighting Wlad, and it was only the hardcore boxing audiences who were aware of it. Fighting Valuev has made him a bona-fide household name in the UK.

He is going to earn sooo much more for a K fight now its unreal.

[alfi balboa]

class!!! dont care what 1 it is the way haye will go about it either of the 2 will be out of there robotic comfort zone...haye is no flabby punch bag these retards r used to beating over 12 rounds.

once haye starts landing bombs...oooooh :happy

[achillesthegreat]

Haye vs Wlad in Wembledy in June for WBA, WBO, IBF and IBO. I'm ready. Make the fucking fight happen.