tell me which tyson fight after prison he looked good??

[anut]

hey i think tyson came outta prison a myth.....he looked like shit against mcneely.....horrid against buster mathis(being backed up by both fighters)....honestly i think he even looked like shit against bruno.....leaping in the air going head hunting.....bruce seldon he was standing square....holy #1.....he didnt have a hope in hell after his little flury in the 5th rd....wont talk about 2nd holy fight....botha schooled him for 5 plus rds......weven againt norris he looked like shit.....so tell me which fight did tyson look good in.....the answer is none.....not since june 28 of 91.......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smokelets say lewis is lucky he fought a 35 yr old business man

[ozziebattler]

Tyson's my man but your spot on with your post..

He even stated in many interviews that his time in prison only fucked him up more mentally..

I THOUGHT PRISON IS SUPPOSED TO REHABILITATE??LOL..

Ruined his career in my opinion..

Also i love your avatar,i remember that episode of footy show it was a classic seeing that sterlo lookalike.

[hobgoblin]

hey i think tyson came outta prison a myth.....he looked like shit against mcneely.....horrid against buster mathis(being backed up by both fighters)....honestly i think he even looked like shit against bruno.....leaping in the air going head hunting.....bruce seldon he was standing square....holy #1.....he didnt have a hope in hell after his little flury in the 5th rd....wont talk about 2nd holy fight....botha schooled him for 5 plus rds......weven againt norris he looked like shit.....so tell me which fight did tyson look good in.....the answer is none.....not since june 28 of 91.......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smokelets say lewis is lucky he fought a 35 yr old business man

I almost agree with you completely. I'd say he looked really good against Holyfield I (at least up to round 5 - I gave 1 & 5 to Tyson) where he showed outstanding speed & power against ATG competition - look at the right hand leads he landed. Obviously he didn't look so good towards the end lol or when he was biting Holy's ears - but for a good chunk (no pun intended) he looked very good. And ripped as ever. Round 3 Tyson looked very good save the bite (1,2 for Holy; 3 for Tyson - Holy wouldn't have gotten the TKO but only a UD if it wasn't for headbutts IMO). He also put a good performance against Golota - not sure if 2 rounds is something to judge.

Besides those, he clearly did not dedicate himself as he used to. Thus when some people say that Tyson wasn't as effective of a puncher in his later years - it is less about ability or punching and more about not being much a figher (relative to old self).

[anut]

the tyson that fought ruddock im not sayin he would beat holyfield....but it would have been much more competitive........razor ruddock said after the 1st tyson fight that he was so hard to hit cleanly.....against holy.....tyson was very easy to hit...............

[hobgoblin]

the tyson that fought ruddock im not sayin he would beat holyfield....but it would have been much more competitive........razor ruddock said after the 1st tyson fight that he was so hard to hit cleanly.....against holy.....tyson was very easy to hit...............

bad analysis my friend. ruddock was one of the dumbest punchers i've ever seen. his hook was telegraphed, very predictable, and for most of the fight he had only 1 arm. of course tyson would easily escape something like that! holy in sharp contrast, used both hands, carefully timed his punches, countered, and accurately & thoughtfull aimed. of course holy was going to be more successful landing than ruddock no comparison!

i think 86 tyson vs 1991 holyfield ends with holy getting a clear but competitive UD and if he headbutts enough, he may get the TKO instead of the UD. In 1991 - the fight would have ended in similar fashion as 1996. 1996 Tyson was very good.

and for the love of gawd...please change your avatar...that guy has an annoying head

[southpaw1974]

Tyson's best post prison performance, and one of his best career performances was the rematch with Bruno. Go back and watch that fight. His timing, accuracy, defense, and ferocity were fantastic. He beat him quicker than he did the first time and looked as good as ever doing it. He was extremely hungry to regain the title 10 years after having won it, and he was not to be denied that night.

[akPITT207]

Let's not forget he knocked out Clifford Etienne in 49 seconds in 2003 with a back that had been broken for years.:roll:

[hobgoblin]

Tyson's best post prison performance, and one of his best career performances was the rematch with Bruno. Go back and watch that fight. His timing, accuracy, defense, and ferocity were fantastic. He beat him quicker than he did the first time and looked as good as ever doing it. He was extremely hungry to regain the title 10 years after having won it, and he was not to be denied that night.

Bruno was extremely scared - he was like a piece of meat being fed to a shark. Of course Tyson's timing is going to look good when he doesn't really have to time at all but just decide WHEN he feels like punching a frozen deer. Bruno was meant to make Tyson look good considering how scared he was before the fight. Don't mean to be negative but that's how I see it. His best outings as I said earlier were against Holy & Golota where he looked explosive.

[emanuel_augustus]

None. Tyson was ruined by Douglas.

[ruizfan]

McCneely is a bum that never stood a chance againts Tyson before or after prison. For the rest, I think he didn't look the same against Holy and mathis.

[BeReal]

Against Julius Francis, he put it on Francis.............and Savarese:bbb but it is a fact, Mike just didn't have the fire for the game anymore and was looking to make money.

[brooklyn1550]

He never looked like the Tyson of old. Sure he had some quick KO's, but he was never the same great fighter.

[jazzboy]

Let's not forget he knocked out Clifford Etienne in 49 seconds in 2003 with a back that had been broken for years.:roll:

He did look good in this fight

[Axe]

He never really looked like he was in his prime, but IMO in the second Holyfield fight he fought at close to 90% of his potential in his prime. He was kind of tentative in rounds 1 and 2, but when he got pissed off in round 3 we saw some ferocious flashbacks of prime Tyson back in that ring...Holyfield fought him well, but imo lost the third round (fouls aside).

[Scar]

None. Tyson was ruined by Douglas.

Ruined by Douglas?, I don't think so. Tyson's performance from moving, using his jab, throwing body punches all changes to just head hunting after signing with King and that's before he met Douglas. Who should we blame here?, Tyson of course and no one else, he never wanted any advice from the new trainers even though they wanted him to fight the way he did with Rooney. If you remember, after the Douglas fight Tyson has had some great fights as well, a fight with Tillman, Stewart, Ruddock(X2) and was on his way to fight Holyfield but didn't because of prison. What ruined Tyson is going to prison and being inactive for as long as he did, if you notice Muhammad Ali was banned then came back TOTALLY different in the ring but had the will, that's something Tyson didn't have and also admitted he didn't have while in prison, not to forget that he made it clear that he DOESN'T want to fight anymore because he thought he had the money. Sadly, he came out of prison totally broke so he was forced to fight to make money, in boxing it doesn't work that way you must fight because you WANT to not because you have to, if Tyson had all the money he was supposed to have coming out of prison he wouldn't have fought at all in my opinion because he didn't want to. On the other hand, Muhammad Ali did need the money but he also WANTED to fight, he had that desire, if you don't have that you end up struggling against opponents you're supposed to eat up quick, that's what ruined Tyson.

[Scar]

He never really looked like he was in his prime, but IMO in the second Holyfield fight he fought at close to 90% of his potential in his prime. He was kind of tentative in rounds 1 and 2, but when he got pissed off in round 3 we saw some ferocious flashbacks of prime Tyson back in that ring...Holyfield fought him well, but imo lost the third round (fouls aside).

Tyson stunned Holyfield in that third round as well, caught him with a powerful hook and Holyfield froze. Sadly, Tyson not being the same way he was in his prime didn't jump on him and finish it quick, he just stood there clueless for like 2 seconds then threw a few more. I'm still pissed as hell for the biting incident because even if Tyson would've lose that rematch it was clearly going to be way closer than the first time, that third round actually made me think that Tyson does have a chance to stop Holyfield, but then the biting happened and the rest is history.

[PATSYS]

Tyson looked absolutely good against Mcneely, Mathis, Bruno and Seldon and in the opening seconds against Holyfield.

No doubt in my mind that Tyson was in his prime circa 1995-96.

[hobgoblin]

Tyson looked absolutely good against Mcneely, Mathis, Bruno and Seldon and in the opening seconds against Holyfield.

No doubt in my mind that Tyson was in his prime circa 1995-96.

man, you are so lewis-centric...you say a lot of things just to heighten up lewis

getting backed up by mcneeley? looked horrible (he let him do it though) not to mention that mcneeley is so bad there is no credibility

[PATSYS]

man, you are so lewis-centric...you say a lot of things just to heighten up lewis

getting backed up by mcneeley? looked horrible (he let him do it though) not to mention that mcneeley is so bad there is no credibility

:lol:

All you Tyson fans are pathetically funny.

Mcneely may not be so good but Tyson was so quick and powerful in there. So what if he was being backed up by Mcneely? Tyson has backed up by fighters all his career (Holyfield, Botha, and even Norris).

I don't know how old are you now but back in 95-96 (pre Holyfield), Tyson was perceived to be on his indestructible form. Pre-Mcneely, there was a question about if he is still good, but after Mcneely, majority of the experts thought Tyson is the man to beat.

There are of course some minority who always question Tyson's opposition - they have always been there since the start of his career.

Just before the 1st Holyfield fight, everybody was fearing for Holyfield's life in the ring,

It is only when Holyfield beat Tyson that everybody started to look retrospectively and make excuses for Tyson e.g. he doesn't have head movement, blah, blah, blah :patsch :patsch


Stop with the excuses already. Tyson was only 30 years then and looked as fast and as powerful as he was ever been.

HE WAS A HIS DAMN PRIME!!!

[dlogvine]

Look, every time he fought against somebody better than Savarese or McNeely, whe got his ass whooped. All his quick KO fights after he got out of jail were against nonames. He is a done and gone Rusty Mike. And man isnt the tembre of his voice irritating?

[justaboxingfan]

None. Tyson was ruined by Douglas.

Maybe, but I think King was the man who helped orchestrate his down fall. Douglas was just an effect to the cause

[ChampionsForever]

Tyson was an 80's fighter, just like Evander was a 90's fighter. He was never the same after Douglas beat him and even he acknowledges that, hes a top 10 ATG if you ask me, in hes day he had everything.

[southpaw1974]

Bruno was extremely scared - he was like a piece of meat being fed to a shark. Of course Tyson's timing is going to look good when he doesn't really have to time at all but just decide WHEN he feels like punching a frozen deer. Bruno was meant to make Tyson look good considering how scared he was before the fight. Don't mean to be negative but that's how I see it. His best outings as I said earlier were against Holy & Golota where he looked explosive.

95% of his opponents were scared shitless of him!! The fight that most experts consider him to have been at his absolute peak was against Spinks, and what opponent was more scared of Tyson than him? I don't think you should diminish his performance against Bruno in their second fight based on that. Look at how he fought, and tell me he didn't do everything great?

[DamonD]

Post-prison, I would put forward Bruno II, Francis, Savarese, and Golota where he looked good, in terms of his aggression, movement, workrate and so on.

He looked good with his ability to evade shots and counterpunch against Bruno II and Golota, Savarese was a good burst of the old furious aggression, and against Francis he showed good body punching and angles.

He also looked good in parts of Holyfield I, Holyfield II (3rd round, ironic that), and rounds 1 against Nielsen and Williams where he was able to blast away with both hands.


The McNeeley fight is nothing, and it would've been unheard of in Tyson's pomp to see a guy like Peter rush at him and swing (even land a couple) of wild blows. Mathis Jr made him look quite bad in there until he fell to a neat right hand. Seldon folded from the first punch. Botha fight was awful though at least the finish was a classic. Norris was nothing, Nielsen was just a punching bag. Etienne had a good-looking KD but in my eyes a totally bogus KO, and Etienne's bullrushing and bundling Mike to the floor didn't make it look a good fight before that either. McBride fight was just horrible.

[PowerPuncher]

Golota

[pryorgatti]

Bruno II. Holyfield I

[TIGEREDGE]

TYSON looked good in the first five rounds vs Holyfield. He landed some lovely punches. Heres a link:

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The first punch of the fight was great

[TIGEREDGE]

Golota

The best cos he won. Golota was the best fighter he beat after coming out of jail

what a waste the pole was.

Lewis would of strugled with the tyson of that fight. I can see why people really fancied him to beat lennox

[Thread Stealer]

Stop with the excuses already. Tyson was only 30 years then and looked as fast and as powerful as he was ever been.

HE WAS A HIS DAMN PRIME!!!

If a world class fighter is away from the sport for 4 years, and unable to train in boxing gyms, then he most likely isn't ever gonna be the same. There's a sense of accuracy and TIMING that you can't ever recover. Guys much greater than Tyson who took hiatuses around that age and for that long were never the same, and even they could train in boxing gyms.

People thought Holyfield was shot in 1996 after all the tough fights and how he looked in his previous 2 fights, so he was a huge underdog. But really, both guys had seen better days.

Holyfield actually probably peaked at cruiserweight in the late 80s.

[Sonny's jab]

Before he bit the ear in the Holyfield rematch. Tyson had a lot more head movement than in the first Holyfield fight, and was in visibly better physical shape.

[Darthmage]

I just watched that round 3 in the second Holy fight. Man that Tyson was ferocious. I wonder if he had fought the rest of the fight like that what would have happened?

[DamonD]

Before?

I thought round 2 of Holyfield-Tyson II was Mike's worst completed round of all of them (apart from round 10 in the first, natch!) He threw few punches and landed even fewer.

And round 1, well, Holyfield knocked him into the ropes with a series of shots and Mike looked intimidated already.

AFTER he bit the ear, sure, we saw a bit of the quickness and movement of old. Fueled by him being all pissed-off and angry rather than the same youthful energy. But not before, I'd argue.

[DamonD]

I just watched that round 3 in the second Holy fight. Man that Tyson was ferocious. I wonder if he had fought the rest of the fight like that what would have happened?
He collapses and dies of exhaustion in the 5th.
He simply would not be able to keep that pace up. When he was younger, he could've for a few rounds...not then. IMO, of course.

[Thread Stealer]

He collapses and dies of exhaustion in the 5th.
He simply would not be able to keep that pace up. When he was younger, he could've for a few rounds...not then. IMO, of course.

Yeah, Tyson wasn't beating Holyfield that night. If he was going to (and felt confident that he would've won), then there would be no bite.

[josak]

Tyson looked plenty good post-prison but he still wasn't the same guy. He was still barreling into opponents and not slipping/countering/moving in with the jab like he did in his prime. He did better against holyfield then some give him credit for, and he had an overall good comeback up to that point.

[MacManJr.]

hey i think tyson came outta prison a myth.....he looked like shit against mcneely.....horrid against buster mathis(being backed up by both fighters)....honestly i think he even looked like shit against bruno.....leaping in the air going head hunting.....bruce seldon he was standing square....holy #1.....he didnt have a hope in hell after his little flury in the 5th rd....wont talk about 2nd holy fight....botha schooled him for 5 plus rds......weven againt norris he looked like shit.....so tell me which fight did tyson look good in.....the answer is none.....not since june 28 of 91.......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smokelets say lewis is lucky he fought a 35 yr old business manHe's been a bum ever since the Douglas fight.

[Danny]

Tyson's my man but your spot on with your post..

He even stated in many interviews that his time in prison only fucked him up more mentally..

I THOUGHT PRISON IS SUPPOSED TO REHABILITATE??LOL..

Ruined his career in my opinion..

Also i love your avatar,i remember that episode of footy show it was a classic seeing that sterlo lookalike.


While in prison, Larry King conducted an interview with Mike from Indiana. During the interview, Mike states that he feels prison dehabilitates you, rather than rehabilitates a person.

To the original question, I think Mike looked terrific when starching Frank Bruno in three very one-sided rounds. That night, Mike was throwing combinations, was ferocious, fast & accurate. However, it was apparent that the elusive head-movement was not there.

As far as conditioning, being in shape etc, well Tyson, for the most part of his career, always showed up in shape. Personally, I feel he looked in splendid physcial condition for the Holyfield 2. Mike's was solid, his weight was 218lbs, the lighest since the second Ruddock fight, some 6 years previous.

Mentally, well that's another proposition & if a fighter's not there mentally, then forget about it. Tyson is my favourite fighter of all time, I'm a big fan, but I feel prison did more harm than good for him, that's for sure.

Think about it a second: If you felt you were put in prison for soemthing you did not do, you feel you are innocent etc. How would you feel?

I know I'd certainly hold some sort of anger because of it.

[Danny]

He's been a bum ever since the Douglas fight.

Honestly, do you really believe Tyson has been a bum since the Douglas loss? Boy, if the Tyson who beat Alex Stewart, Ruddock twice, was a bum, then all the contenders coming through the ranks might aswell give up now.

For a bum, Tyson destroyed credible opponents such as Stewart, Ruddock, Bruno etc.

[ChampionsForever]

Tyson post 96 lost hes stamina, he was a ticking time bomb. In the 1st Holy fight by the 5th round he was spent, mouth open gasping for air and just waiting to be KO'd. Stamina isn't a thing you can work on that much and 3 years not even seeing a boxing gym made the guy lose it. If you took him past the 6th round in the 90s and were still coming on strong (unlike Neilson) then you had him. When the Millenium turned then if you took him past the 4th round then he was a sitting duck.

The guy is my all time favourite fighter but he lost a key weapon, in the 80s he could keep up a pace all fight from the 1st round to the 12 he would be trying to rip your head off, this is why I beleive he would have kicked Lewis's ass in hes prime, the one round he was effective was the 1st in their fight, he had the speed to catch Lewis and the power to hurt him and he won that round.....now in the 80s he was faster and harder to hit and threw in combinations, he would have kept that pace up for 12 rounds instead of the 1, no way would Tyson have lost, watch the 1st round of Lewis-Tyson and imagine if he kept that pace all fight, he would have fucking owned Lewis.

[MacManJr.]

Honestly, do you really believe Tyson has been a bum since the Douglas loss? Boy, if the Tyson who beat Alex Stewart, Ruddock twice, was a bum, then all the contenders coming through the ranks might aswell give up now.

For a bum, Tyson destroyed credible opponents such as Stewart, Ruddock, Bruno etc.Tyson's resume has never impressed me.

[Jinx]

Tyson looked plenty good post-prison but he still wasn't the same guy. He was still barreling into opponents and not slipping/countering/moving in with the jab like he did in his prime. He did better against holyfield then some give him credit for, and he had an overall good comeback up to that point.

good post...Tyson was still a very good fighter post-prison, he just wasn't AS GOOD as he once was...but he was still phyiscally prime, if not technically(no head movement, no jab, loading up)

[BewareofDawg]

hey i think tyson came outta prison a myth.....he looked like shit against mcneely.....horrid against buster mathis(being backed up by both fighters)....honestly i think he even looked like shit against bruno.....leaping in the air going head hunting.....bruce seldon he was standing square....holy #1.....he didnt have a hope in hell after his little flury in the 5th rd....wont talk about 2nd holy fight....botha schooled him for 5 plus rds......weven againt norris he looked like shit.....so tell me which fight did tyson look good in.....the answer is none.....not since june 28 of 91.......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smokelets say lewis is lucky he fought a 35 yr old business man
Yet so many are so quick to hail Holyfied the all-mighty for beating him after he got out of prison. :patsch

[ChampionsForever]

Tyson's resume has never impressed me.

But Floyd's does?? :huh

[Thread Stealer]

But Floyd's does?? :huh

Floyd has a better resume and better achievements than Tyson.