Let's Settle This Once and For All: Pacquaio vs Hamed

[Morrissey]

There has been a numerous threads about this, actually there is a recent one, but I am interested to really know the pulse of the ESB posters with regards to this mythical good match-up.

Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao vs Prince Naseem Hamed.

Don't just vote. Better to explain your thoughts about this fight. Nuthuggers may enter the thread and poison this, but please be advised it is at your own risk. Mods may ban you permanently for doing such immature thing. They know who you are.:yep

(Just fuckin' with the ban threat..:lol:)

Anyway, I see this fight resembling the Kelley-Hamed KD-infested massacre, with both fighters hurting each others with their own brands of powerpunches. Hamed may perplexed Pac with his unorthodox style and quickness, but he would be blanketed nonetheless by Pac's swarming style. I don't think Pac would look for any body shots. He knows he need to KTFO Hamed ASAP or else, he would be the one who will be KTFO.

A very exciting fight, but won't reach 5 rounds. Hamed, due to his more pronounced one-shot KO power, puzzling unorthodox style, and Pac's penchant to be open whenever he attacks, would win this one via TKO or KO in a very close, action-packed thriller.

[ajohnfp]

Pac would take this one.

And a Pactard accused me of always taking the same line on every thread with Pacquiao the other day. The irony.

[BlueApollo]

A very exciting fight, but won't reach 5 rounds. Hamed, due to his more pronounced one-shot KO power, puzzling unorthodox style, and Pac's penchant to be open whenever he attacks, would win this one via TKO or KO in a very close, action-packed thriller.

I'll give Hamed the "more pronounced" KO power edge, but defense? Hamed barely left his dick protected when he threw.

[Morrissey]

I'll give Hamed the "more pronounced" KO power edge, but defense? Hamed barely left his dick protected when he threw.

But compared to Pac, he would looked more elusive.

[Sizzle]

Obviously Pacquiao.

I'm no Pacquiao fan, but he'd certainly find Hamed with that straight left and wobble him. His power would be too much for a weeny Hamed with a plethora of technical flaws.

This fight is just a mismatch like Pacquiao-Morales III

[Morrissey]

Remember, we are talking about prime for prime, all things considered: experience, boxing skills, talent, power, heart, style, chin, age.

[errsta]

at 126, I'd take Hamed. Both guys like to get in firefights but Hamed had the kind of power that kept people down. As explosive as Manny is, he doesn't have that kind of power. Also, Hamed was rarely caught clean. He'd look like a defensive wizard against Pacquiao's 1-2.

[stillafan]

Hamed has a good chance becasue pac comes straight in and can be hit with lead punches.....having said that, pac has a great chance too....Hamed has one punch Ko power...even more than pac...although pac has popp....this would have been a great fight......

[boxbox]

PAC....people underrate pacs chin, i think he can take Naz's bombs...and pac may be a come forward type of fighter, but he has this awkward stance that is somewhat hard to time...hamed never had a fast opponent that punched as hard as pac before, so we don't know if his chin would hold.

[la-califa]

Against Barrera, Hamed proved he could not handle intense pressure. Pacquaio would bring the pressure to a boiling point! Pacquaio would not let Hamed breathe & would be scoring with plenty of punches inside. The toll would tell & Hamed should begin to crack around the tenth round. Pacquaio 11 TKO.

[stillafan]

Naz is hands down probably the hardest hitting 126 ever....no one could take his bombs, .....he knocked people out cold....i remember seeing some poor guy leave the ring in a stretcher....Freak power....im not saying NAz would have won, but if he landed a big bomb, lights out for pac,,,pacs got kod by lighter punchers than NAZ....Morales, MAB, JMM ...none of those guys come close to nazs power...jumped into his punches with all his body, it got him off balance, but boy did those legs give him power

[tays001]

i pick hamed by ko but in a best out of 10 pac wins 6-4

[Illmatic]

Any fighter coming straight forward got starched by Hamed. Hamed would akwardly dodge the incoming flak and land bombs and Pac would eventually crumble.

[tays001]

pac is just a greater fighter and would find a way to best hamed but in the first fight hamed by ko isay in 5. pac not ready for the power but makes the adjustment to best him in 6-4 out of 10

[tays001]

i remeber when this guy AUggie sanches fought NAZ. auggie was pretty good and had good power was pretty fast to hurt naz in the first round if i remeber well and then got ko'd and look like death had touched him . NAZ truely had the power to get anyone out of there

[C Money]

OK, I hate Hamed and have always made that known.

Hamed's biggest weakness is his lack of skill as was demonstrated vs Barerra. I'd take PAC to actually send Hamed to sleepy time:good

Admittedly, based on Pac's style, this would be an entertaining bloodbath, but PAC isnt an aged Kevin Kelley.

[hellblazer]

PacMan wins no doubt.

[ruizfan]

in his prime, I give him a very good chacne for one reason. Naz. would kill you if you try to act instead of react. if you try to attack, its over.

[tays001]

in his prime, I give him a very good chacne for one reason. Naz. would kill you if you try to act instead of react. if you try to attack, its over.

i never though i would agree with a ruiz fan :yep :yep :yep

[stillafan]

Ruizfan, well said...i remember Barrera saying after their fight that he was not more offensive, because everytime someone gets overly excited with NAZ...BAM!..they are uncouncious!.....that is true, countering him is much better than overly aggressive...in fact Augie sanchez did ok, until he thought he had hamed hurt and ended un in the hospital

[tays001]

Ruizfan, well said...i remember Barrera saying after their fight that he was not more offensive, because everytime someone gets overly excited with NAZ...BAM!..they are uncouncious!.....that is true, countering him is much better than overly aggressive...in fact Augie sanchez did ok, until he thought he had hamed hurt and ended un in the hospital

yeah auggie hurt him pretty bad i remeber that but i also rember the worry going around when he thumped the canvas
:good

[Morrissey]

I don't think Hamed is overrated at all.

[Danny Ocean]

hamed wins by knockout

pacquiao comes bursting in while hameds footworks was too fast an he would dominate him with hooks

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO.

[ko factor]

1st 6 rounds of the fight Hamed wins.
7-12 Pacquiao wins due to his superb conditioning.

[WelshintheUS]

It would be a fucking awesome match up and Naz as much as I hated the little prick, would knock out Pacquaio by the 6th round after maybe being on the canvas himself.

His angles and power were insane.

[Ilesey]

Pac would get Hamed on the back foot and punish him. I imagine Hamed would land but I see Pac wearing Hamed down with a ferocious workrate stopping him late on.

[TIGEREDGE]

Obviously Pacquiao.

I'm no Pacquiao fan, but he'd certainly find Hamed with that straight left and wobble him. His power would be too much for a weeny Hamed with a plethora of technical flaws.

This fight is just a mismatch like Pacquiao-Morales III

I have got to diagree with the last statement. Hamed was worthy to be in the ring with PAC, but i don't think he would win. NAZ was good, he just wasn't the exceptional fighter his fans make him out to be

[TIGEREDGE]

naz has more of a chance with the PAC of 2005, before he improved

[Boom_Boom]

too close to call

Pac's style fits hamed perfectly but Hamed has a chinny chin chin, if he thinks kevin kelley hits hard wait until Pacman hits him.

[timber]

Hamed that fought Badillo would KO Pac but the poor Hamed that showed up against MAB gets KO'd by PAC.

I'm a fan of both fighters!

[Mind Reader]

Hamed would catch him comming in I think... Gotta go with Hamed on this one.

[Outboxer]

It's very tough to call.

And Boom, Hamed didn't have a bad chin -- he was down multiple times in his career, but nearly all of them were due to bad balance that stemmed from his highly strange style. If anything, Hamed had a remarkably good chin, and I rarely ever saw him hurt.

I think this fight would be great to watch. I forsee Pac knocking Hamed down at least 2 - 3 times, but eventually losing via KO as Hamed lands one of his crushing bombs around round 4/5.

[PATSYS]

This is one fight I will bet my house on, not watch the fight during fight time and just sleep comfortably.

Pac by KO.

[Morrissey]

bump

[Rollo]

Against Barrera, Hamed proved he could not handle intense pressure. Pacquaio would bring the pressure to a boiling point! Pacquaio would not let Hamed breathe & would be scoring with plenty of punches inside. The toll would tell & Hamed should begin to crack around the tenth round. Pacquaio 11 TKO.




As far as I remember Barrera hit Hamed mostly with one-two combos, but he didn´t follow up too much because he knew it was dangerous to chase Hamed. Pacman would probably try to get on the inside - a VERY BAD strategy against Naz! I see Hamed winning this one.

[retriever]

Pac by K.O unless hamed landed a lucky punch.

[reed_man02]

This is one fight I will bet my house on, not watch the fight during fight time and just sleep comfortably.

Pac by KO.

Same here.

Hamed by KO>

[Morrissey]

Ok folks, enough of this Mexican-Philippines fiasco... Get over with it. Bautista is really more of a prospect (with a chin issue), Ponce is a heavy-handed primitive monster, Penalosa is a solid crappy, skilled veteran who can crack some ribs if he is 118 and Gonzales is cursed with being KOd when he is leading the scorecards... :lol:

Now, cast your vote and give out your sensible thoughts here...:yep

[Morrissey]

bump.

Those who have not voted yet, feel free to take your pick.:D

[Mrboogie23]

I truly believe Hamed stops him. Naseem had ridiculous power for that weight class and Pacman comes straight in. I doubt Nas would have had trouble slipping and countering the 1 2 combo from Pacman and landing something solid.

Not a knock on pacman at all I just think stylistically it would be a terrible match for him.

[Morrissey]

I truly believe Hamed stops him. Naseem had ridiculous power for that weight class and Pacman comes straight in. I doubt Nas would have had trouble slipping and countering the 1 2 combo from Pacman and landing something solid.

Not a knock on pacman at all I just think stylistically it would be a terrible match for him.

Agreed. Hamed is an unorthodox beast with power who can knock anyone cold coming straight to his way.

[Executioner]

Hamed would behead Pacman within 8

[puga_ni_nana]

hamed is not in pac's league.

[Morrissey]

Has Hamed faced any fighter with the combination of speed and power of Pac?

And has Pac faced any heavy puncher in the league of Hamed? Or atleast near that league since Hamed is obviously a great Ko artist.

[Executioner]

You're right, he's a few leagues above it.

:yep

[puga_ni_nana]

Has Hamed faced any fighter with the combination of speed and power of Pac?

And has Pac faced any heavy puncher in the league of Hamed? Or atleast near that league since Hamed is obviously a great Ko artist.

No and No. So this will be a good fight. pac is the favorite while hamed has a puncher's chance and only a puncher's chance.

[Raden]

Manny would take him to sleepy hollow...no doubt.

[puga_ni_nana]

Bs, Pac´s style is just made for the prince.

you can say what you want but hamed never fought someone like pac. speed, power and high workrate. i'll be generous and say pac takes out hamed 7 out of 10 matches. but no doubt all wins between them are by KO.

[ravtrav]

Pac By Ko

[tays001]

Are We Still On This ? Dam

[boxbox]

yeah...well i guess majority picked pac..when does this poll end btw?

[johnco]

Hamed would lift Pacquaio off the floor with an upper cut after which they'd need to rescucitate Pac as Hamed does celebratory somersaults in center ring.

wow... i never thought pyschiatric patients are on the loose :lol::lol:

i would like to ask marco on how did he put hamed into somersaulting thing :yep

and i also do believe pac put mab into breakdancing :good:good

[nighthunter]

Barrera and Pacquiao have two different styles. Barrera boxed Hamed behind an effective left jab and moved side to side. Can you possibly imagine Pac changing his style, getting up on his toes and developing a great right jab and boxing / using the ring like Barrera did?

No WAY you're going to beat Hamed coming straight in like that.

:good paquiao is not one dimensional fighter now he also develop hi right hand and with good side to side movement and most of all his style. lack of balance but can throw hard punch, hard to imagine but he can :scaredas: :hi: :bbb

[Scar]

Pacquiao wins!

[Morrissey]

yeah...well i guess majority picked pac..when does this poll end btw?

By next year, and hopefully, all the members who have seen both both Pac and Hamed's fights and style will vote and give their thoughts.

It is Pac right now, but the lead is slipping..

[paulfv]

Pac -- too fast, too strong.

Prince was great against guys he could just bully around, but Pac wouldn't have fit that category. He would have out-sped and outpowered the Prince. Just remember what he did to Barrera and Morales. Yes, it wasn't the same MAB that Prince fought, but it was still MAB. Pac beat MAB as thoroughly as anyone ever has. That wasn't an illusion, even if it wasn't the greatest we've seen MAB be.

[Morrissey]

bump.

[precision]

i think hamed takes it

[roadrunner]

Pac by brutal ko.

[nervousxtian]

Pac by brutal KO.. that's funny.

Maybe you should watch some Hamed fights before you talk all stupid.

[ripcity]

Pacquaio has more skills than Hamed. Hamed was awakward and can hit.
I think Pacquaio wins this one. Hamed with his awarkwardness and punching power would not be easy to beat.

[doknochrisan]

I see PAC taking this one via late KO.

[Carlos Primera]

truly 50/50

a lot of guys are saying that hamed catches pac when he comes in. but what do you think happens when pac catches hamed clean first, with his hands down? no doubt hamed had a good chin, but i dont think that he'd just take pac's left and smile, if pac managed to send the iron chinned morales back a few feet in their second fight, and lift that thai dude off the canvas with an uppercut, then i dont think it's ridiculous to say that pac floors hamed. dont forget pac's also one of the best finishers in the game, and if hamed goes down pac makes sure he's down.

[DobyZhee]

Pacquiao's prime is fighting a bunch of future HOF'ers who were a little past their prime. Give him credit, he IS the only guy to fight JMM after the MAB beatdown and fighting JMM in 'JMM's prime' and coming away with a draw. Funny how the draw is seen as a negative for Pac but is seen as a positive to JMM fans. Pac hasn't been knocked down by any of the big 3.

Hamed's prime is what..fighting a bunch of tomato cans and getting 'outboxed' by MAB.

I know its silly to rank fighters based on common opponents but Pac has totally faced better compeition prime for prime.

[CarltonBlues]

Is this a fucking joke? Pac murders Hamed. I mean he just brutally destroys him and steps over Hamed's shattered body. I mentioned this matchup to my dad and he just laughed. Hamed was always vastly overrated, and good fighters had no trouble solving his "unorthodox" style and pummeling the shit out of him. He was exposed by Barrera and never fought anyone good again.

Pac KO4 Hamed in a one-sided massacre

Agreed these poll results are whack, Pac would destroy him.

[1lehudson]

Pac isnt a good boxer, he is a power punching banger. With that being said, he is smaller then Hamed and maybe not as powerful. If he stood and traded with Hamed he would get waxed. Problem is Hamed was the better boxer of the two as well. I think that that would have been a hard fight for pac to win.

[CarltonBlues]

Pac isnt a good boxer, he is a power punching banger. With that being said, he is smaller then Hamed and maybe not as powerful. If he stood and traded with Hamed he would get waxed. Problem is Hamed was the better boxer of the two as well. I think that that would have been a hard fight for pac to win.

Hamed was a great boxer against tomato cans in England but he got exposed and retired when he stepped up and came to the US. Hamed isn't even on Pac's level as we saw with his miserable showing against MAB.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[1lehudson]

Hamed was a great boxer against tomato cans in England but he got exposed and retired when he stepped up and came to the US. Hamed isn't even on Pac's level as we saw with his miserable showing against MAB.Pac has been knocked out several times by lesser fighters then hamed, so one could use that very argument the other way. Hamed also beat some very good fighters, all and all I would actaully say that hamed had a better resume then Pac. Madina, Johnson, Kelly, Wilfredo Vazquez, Wayne McCullough, Soto, Paul Ingle, Vuyani Bungu...Tomato cans???? Not even close. He had one bad night, vs a great fighter, and keep in mind that fight wasnt a blowout, MAB won but If i remember right it was 115-112 twice and 116-111.

[gamay]

PACMAN by KO

[dwilson]

Hamed could'nt even shit in Pacmans shower. Complete walkthrough for Pac.

[ThePlugInBabies]

do some people not realise the sort of power naz possessed? jesus fucking christ! you do not just walk through someone like him, he has once in a lifetime power, you try to swarm and walk through him and you will have your fucking head taken off. in order for pac to win he would have to change his gameplan.

EDIT: brilliant thread on naz here btw. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[CarltonBlues]

do some people not realise the sort of power naz possessed? jesus fucking christ! you do not just walk through someone like him, he has once in a lifetime power,

His supernatural like power didn't do him any good when he fought MAB who Pac knocked out by the way.

[ThePlugInBabies]

His supernatural like power didn't do him any good when he fought MAB who Pac knocked out by the way.

that's because mab didn't try and walk through him and go to war, he fought an extremely intelligent fight that didn't play into hameds hands.

pacman v naz for me would be all about whether pac could change his style.

[Carlos Primera]

Pac has been knocked out several times by lesser fighters then hamed, so one could use that very argument the other way. Hamed also beat some very good fighters, all and all I would actaully say that hamed had a better resume then Pac. Madina, Johnson, Kelly, Wilfredo Vazquez, Wayne McCullough, Soto, Paul Ingle, Vuyani Bungu...Tomato cans???? Not even close. He had one bad night, vs a great fighter, and keep in mind that fight wasnt a blowout, MAB won but If i remember right it was 115-112 twice and 116-111.
morales3x, barrerra2x, marquez, larios, julio, ledwaba > medina, johnson, kelly, vasquez, mccullough, sotto, ingle, bungu

pacs resume is better than hamed imo. thats 2 demolition jobs against 2 ATG in barrera and morales and another fight with barrera coming up, he draws against the guy hamed shamelessly ducked in JMM and toyed with former ring 122 champ larios, and has fought credible fighters like julio, ledwaba, hussein

[stake501]

Hamed was a fucking bum. His best win was an off-the-floor victory over a faded Kevin Kelley.


Yet Barerra gets max credit for beating a faded Hamed.


Prime Hamed KOs Pac....too much power, speed and angles

Pac UDs Barerra version of Hamed......too much work ethic for lazy hamed

[Morrissey]

Yet Barerra gets max credit for beating a faded Hamed.


Why should not he get it? It was not his fault Hamed did not train
"properly" for his biggest fight.

That is why MAB's win was great.

[PATSYS]

Hamed also beat some very good fighters, all and all I would actaully say that hamed had a better resume then Pac. Madina, Johnson, Kelly, Wilfredo Vazquez, Wayne McCullough, Soto, Paul Ingle, Vuyani Bungu...

Please tell me you're joking :lol: :patsch

Sasakul, Hussein, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Julio, Lucero, Barrera, Marquez, Morales (2X), Velasquez, Larios, Solis.

Pac KO wins over Morales and Barrera alone totally eclipses Hamed's resume.

Not even close.

[bill poster]

Hamed only fought one technically gifted boxer (unless you include the aged Kelly and WM)

But he has a real chance against Pac-

Hamed definately has a stronger chin; yes he gets knocked down but never seriously hurt
His KO power could definately find Pacs chin.

In fact if he should ever return, Pac is the man to gun for if Hamed could make the weight. Forget Barrera, he already owns Hamed

[PH|LLA]

Hamed only fought one technically gifted boxer (unless you include the aged Kelly and WM)

But he has a real chance against Pac-

Hamed definately has a stronger chin; yes he gets knocked down but never seriously hurt
His KO power could definately find Pacs chin.

In fact if he should ever return, Pac is the man to gun for if Hamed could make the weight. Forget Barrera, he already owns Hamed
you think that Hamed could make a comeback and beat Pacquiao?

[achillesthegreat]

Good poll. Shows how close the match up. Take away a good 20 picks for Pac simply because he is part of the current scene and morons who think Hamed is a D fighter because of the Barrera bout.

[PH|LLA]

it basically proves that Pacquiao is the most underrated boxer today.

[Morrissey]

truly 50/50

a lot of guys are saying that hamed catches pac when he comes in. but what do you think happens when pac catches hamed clean first, with his hands down? no doubt hamed had a good chin, but i dont think that he'd just take pac's left and smile, if pac managed to send the iron chinned morales back a few feet in their second fight, and lift that thai dude off the canvas with an uppercut, then i dont think it's ridiculous to say that pac floors hamed. dont forget pac's also one of the best finishers in the game, and if hamed goes down pac makes sure he's down.

This well-said post makes me want to shift my vote to number 3 option...:deal

[Nigel_Benn]

As much as i despised Hamed he had freakish power at the weight and better 1 punch ko power then Pac,However Pacman would have applied pressure Hamed would never have faced before and when he traded toe to toe with Augie Sanchez he did brutally knock him out but was floored himself to me it comes down to whos got the better chin and heart.

[Morrissey]

Agreed these poll results are whack, Pac would destroy him.

:lol:

Because people voted for Naz?

[achillesthegreat]

As much as i despised Hamed he had freakish power at the weight and better 1 punch ko power then Pac,However Pacman would have applied pressure Hamed would never have faced before and when he traded toe to toe with Augie Sanchez he did brutally knock him out but was floored himself to me it comes down to whos got the better chin and heart.
Do you question Hameds chin or heart?

[puga_ni_nana]

it basically proves that Pacquiao is the most underrated boxer today.

yep. its either some of these people underrate pac or have too much regard for hamed.

[Nigel_Benn]

I do question both his heart especially yes in fights with Kelly and Sanchez he come of the floor to win but Pacman is a different animal completley, he was never seriously hurt in his career but who did he fight with serious power? Barrera rocked him with a right hand in the 8th that made his legs buckle.

[achillesthegreat]

I do question both his heart especially yes in fights with Kelly and Sanchez he come of the floor to win but Pacman is a different animal completley, he was never seriously hurt in his career but who did he fight with serious power? Barrera rocked him with a right hand in the 8th that made his legs buckle.
Why would you question his heart? I don't think for a moment there has ever been any evidence that he doesn't have a great heart.

I remember Kelly being considered a quality puncher.

PACs never faced anyone with Hameds power. It works both ways.

[stake501]

Why would you question his heart? I don't think for a moment there has ever been any evidence that he doesn't have a great heart.

I remember Kelly being considered a quality puncher.

PACs never faced anyone with Hameds power. It works both ways.

Thats the point....

Its basically a pick-em fight. Both have strengths and weaknesses.. The poll suggests its a 50-50. You can pick one but can not be guaranteed you will be right either way...anyone who says different is deluded. :deal

[Morrissey]

Hamed only fought one technically gifted boxer (unless you include the aged Kelly and WM)

But he has a real chance against Pac-

Hamed definately has a stronger chin; yes he gets knocked down but never seriously hurt
His KO power could definately find Pacs chin.

In fact if he should ever return, Pac is the man to gun for if Hamed could make the weight. Forget Barrera, he already owns Hamed

That is immensely debatable.

I would say they are both equal in terms of chin.

Pac ate a lot of leathers from Morales, Barrera, Velasquez, and JMM and was not rattled that much.

[Morrissey]

bump and vote and discuss why...:yep

[mad_takamura]

you think that Hamed could make a comeback and beat Pacquiao? he won't.

[theHawtness]

pac by late KO. end of thread.

[Morrissey]

pac by late KO. end of thread.

I see this not reaching th full 12 rounds.

There ought to be a KO. Its is either hamed uncorked his bombs or the other way around.

[Morrissey]

bump.

people who has not voted yet, there is still time.

and discuss.

[sues2nd]

Pac wouldve knocked his ass out.....

[ripcity]

Dose once and for all mean that this match up will never be brought up again?:lol: :lol: :lol:

[BobDigi5060]

Present day Pac wins, but Pac from 04 would lose IMO. He has gotten a whole lot better and to be honest Hamed never fought at 130.. Not like it matters anyway ;)

[Mob]

Hamed's style was susceptable to crafty boxers.......not quick handed agressive sluggers.

Sure, Manny would be the hardest hitting and fastest handed fighter that Naz ever fought.
By the same token, hamed would be the fastest and hardest hitting fighter that Pac ever fought.

Styles people.

Manny is tailor made for a guy like Hamed.


Hamed stretches him after going down twice.

Hamed KO 6 Manny.:happy

[Morrissey]

Dose once and for all mean that this match up will never be brought up again?:lol: :lol: :lol:



or it can be a sticky for everyone else to vote..:yep

[Mob]

Hamed is not in PAcs league, PAC was 2006 Fighter of the year p4p#2 soon #1. Lineal Champ at Fly and Super Bantam... Hamed who?? Hamed who had problems with a baby boomer Kevin Kelley???:rofl :rofl :rofl

Manny would have had trouble with Kevin Kelley..........GUARANTEED:scaredas:

[Morrissey]

bump for the nth time.

[Smith]

Hamed...Its a style thing, and the Prince would soak up some hits before KTFO Pac

[Morrissey]

bump.:|

[Guru_Too_You]

Any fighter coming straight forward got starched by Hamed. Hamed would akwardly dodge the incoming flak and land bombs and Pac would eventually crumble.

Nothing else to say about this. You can't come forward against Hamed.

Period.

Its sad to see that less than half of the posters here have the most basic boxing acumen.

[PH|LLA]

Pac doesnt always come straight forward he usually bobs and weaves his way in.

Hamed's stance is too wide for Pac's speed, straight punches, power and quick feet.

Hamed would get ktfo, easily

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[duran83]

Naseem Hamed couldn't fucking box for shit. That stupid ass style of his may have bamboozled domestic-level UK bums, but good fighters could reach right out and hit him.

What a fucking idiot you are, the guy held all four wolrd titles IBF WBO WBC and WBA, you retard, he was as high as 4 p4p.

[Guru_Too_You]

Pac doesnt always come straight forward he usually bobs and weaves his way in.

Hamed's stance is too wide for Pac's speed, straight punches, power and quick feet.

Hamed would get ktfo, easily

Youre delusional.

Bobbing and weaving with your head doesnt mean your body isnt coming straight forward.

There is no way in hell Pac beats Hamed. Not once out of ten. You can't be a PRESSURE based fighter and beat Hamed. He will take your head off.

[Guru_Too_You]

I can't believe this shit is still going on. Pac would be starched.

Period.

End of discussion.

Lock thread.

This is a perfect poll to see how far the collective ESB head is up its own ass.

[Morrissey]

bump.:tong

:lol:

[Billy Basham]

Pac prevails on sheer guts!!!

[Zakman]

Pacquiao. Hamed had trouble taking the punches of a past his prime Kevin Kelly. Manny wouldn't just SEND the overrated Hamed to the canvas multiple times - he'd KEEP him there. :nod

[mad_takamura]

Pacquiao. Hamed had trouble taking the punches of a past his prime Kevin Kelly. Manny wouldn't just SEND the overrated Hamed to the canvas multiple times - he'd KEEP him there. :nod hamed stuns pac a little bit, pac backpedals, then a lefthook hits hamed!! he"s down on the canvass! pacquiao lunges foeward throws 4 shots to hameds head while being hit by hamed backs up and hits hamed with a left straight!! this might happen!:nono

[boxbox]

well since this is still the best boxing forum. we can argue that most people posting on here are knowledgeable of the sport. and of course there's the minority.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[Mob]

I am still saying that styles make fights.

hamed was tagged and dropped....but never stopped. And anyone who slugged with him DID get dropped and stopped for the most part.

Manny would be the best guy Hamed ever faced.....but the style matchup would be in his favor.

And Manny can be hurt.

Hamed gets off the deck to coldcock a charging Manny Pac in about the fifth round.

[dangerousity]

Pac couldnt handle MAB combinations, he wont handle Pac's combinations which are much faster. Pac has trouble with tall rangy boxers, Hamed is an off balance 5'2 fighter. Pac would just dart ina nd out all night and KO Hamed inside 6.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Heres a clip of the Great Hamed against a gatekeeper Kevin Kelley.
Now Kelley was very popular in NY especially Queens, He was a media darling very nice guy but he was not considered a threath to Hamed at the time esp with all Naz hype...People were laughing at Hamed coz he looked so stupid in this fight.

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All the esb experts are talking about blah blah blah styles makes fights.....can someone really think that this monkey has a shot at any greats?

he knocked kelley out inside 4!

what fucking more do you want from him?

yes he looked sloppy and cocky in this fight and got knocked down cause of some dodgy balance, but was he hurt in this fight? fuck no! look how quickly he got back up when knocked down.

in the future don't take some posters picking someone over your boy so personally. pacman would stand a much better chance against atgs in my opinion than naz, but i also think pacmans style is made for the prince. styles and all that shiz, capiche?

[Morrissey]

bump for the nth time.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[ikeabuchia]

I think it was the 4th round when Pacman got buzzed right down to his rupert Y_fronts and was clinging on to dear life againt hussein hussein, who lost to scot harris and even buzzed the great scot, cant rember which round, pac was down for a litle while didnt know if he was gunna beat the count, please b4 you read this just check out the fight and you will see it pac did regroup and win the fight i give him that, But he took a lightning jab and he went down and was queer street, till the ref had to literally pryse him off lol (at least he survived) seriously check it out , btw the fight was at super bantam weight,
Now if that cocky arrogant hamed ( i do not like his antics) wouldave landed a shot pac would be snoring, its no biggie, just that hamed just so unorthodox clumsy everything against pugilistic techniques, but he seems to land that kryponite "BOOM" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Morrissey]

I think it was the 4th round when Pacman got buzzed right down to his rupert Y_fronts and was clinging on to dear life againt hussein hussein, who lost to scot harris and even buzzed the great scot, cant rember which round, pac was down for a litle while didnt know if he was gunna beat the count, please b4 you read this just check out the fight and you will see it pac did regroup and win the fight i give him that, But he took a lightning jab and he went down and was queer street, till the ref had to literally pryse him off lol (at least he survived) seriously check it out , btw the fight was at super bantam weight,
Now if that cocky arrogant hamed ( i do not like his antics) wouldave landed a shot pac would be snoring, its no biggie, just that hamed just so unorthodox clumsy everything against pugilistic techniques, but he seems to land that kryponite "BOOM" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The question is, who has the better chin between the two?

[PATSYS]

Hamed will look good in the opening seconds, with all his clowning and showboating. But after 3 rounds of getting hit with shots here and there, he slows down. Then the inevitable...

Pac by KO.

[Morrissey]

The young Kelley:good

That was not a fading Kelley.

[Morrissey]

bump...and still vote.

I want to have all posters here vote. And discuss why.:deal

[Morrissey]

bump.

[SugarShane_24]

My pick is Pac by KO.


Hamed is such a puncher, and that's a dangerous thing for Pac, but with Freddie Roach in his corner, obviously he will get some good advice when to turn up the heat or when to back up. Pac is not that stupid to pursue someone who hits like mulekick recklessly.


I'd say Pac will have a lot of uncomfortable moments, as Hamed is very quick and has a very underrated defense. But along the way, he's pressure and accumulation of punches wil take a toll on Naz.


Pac may not have the same power Naz had, but the damage that pile up is what beats the opponent. It's the same thing that stopped Morales in the second fight.

[hmi]

I also picked Pac to win. If we're talking about them fighting during their primes, the prime of Pacman is now or during his third fight with Erik Morales. We all know what happened to Erik. The same thing will happen to Hamed only it will happen earlier due to his lack of defense (as compared to Erik). Pacman is too strong that his sparmates say that he hits like a welterweight. Of course we also know that he is fast. I think faster than Hamed.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[mad_takamura]

I think it was the 4th round when Pacman got buzzed right down to his rupert Y_fronts and was clinging on to dear life againt hussein hussein, who lost to scot harris and even buzzed the great scot, cant rember which round, pac was down for a litle while didnt know if he was gunna beat the count, please b4 you read this just check out the fight and you will see it pac did regroup and win the fight i give him that, But he took a lightning jab and he went down and was queer street, till the ref had to literally pryse him off lol (at least he survived) seriously check it out , btw the fight was at super bantam weight,
Now if that cocky arrogant hamed ( i do not like his antics) wouldave landed a shot pac would be snoring, its no biggie, just that hamed just so unorthodox clumsy everything against pugilistic techniques, but he seems to land that kryponite "BOOM" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (btw. hussein was resorting to dirty tactics and the referee was letting it go all the time till the count so let's not point our fingers too much on the so-called referee incident ok? )
prime to prime for me pac would win because his prime is here on the 130pnds., though some would argue that his best weight is in the 126pnds. if they meet at either weights while in their primes, for me pac has the advantage considering that he has clearly improved now on his prime and his best weight might be in the 126pnds.
pac in prime, had vastly improved: his chin now has been tested,
added a new arsenal in his right hook and an occasional left too, bobs and weaves etc..he has more weapons to use against hamed:for me this is not the 1-dimensional fighter anymore like some argued..
hamed would try to land against pac with his unorthodox style while pac is approaching, but if pac used his brains and bobs and weaves a little to get the first punch with his speed and try to take command of the fight he might gain the upperhand by swarming up hamed's open defense then covering up and pulling off. one of those punches would surely stagger hamed and pac goes for the kill if he sees someone staggered.
however if hamed catches him there's no question that it would hurt pac. but like i said it goes down to the question of the chin and considering pac's performances on the 130pnd.s in his prime he was hit countless times by jmm, em, solis, larios,etc. but recovered still...

[ApatheticLeader]

I think Pacquiao wins what is in fact an extremely messy and boring fight.

[warrior85]

Against Barrera, Hamed proved he could not handle intense pressure. Pacquaio would bring the pressure to a boiling point! Pacquaio would not let Hamed breathe & would be scoring with plenty of punches inside. The toll would tell & Hamed should begin to crack around the tenth round. Pacquaio 11 TKO.


you hit the nail on the head.

[elTerrible]

PAC....people underrate pacs chin, i think he can take Naz's bombs...and pac may be a come forward type of fighter, but he has this awkward stance that is somewhat hard to time...hamed never had a fast opponent that punched as hard as pac before, so we don't know if his chin would hold.

Im thinking the same thing, that if it became a war and power shots were exchanged that Pac would come out on top.
Hamed could try to run and outbox him, but we know his ego would get in the way and hed try to brawl with him.
Weve seen Hamed get dropped by alot less powerful punchers than Pac.

[Morrissey]

I see that there are still some people who have not voted in here..:D

[Jbuz]

Pac.

[theunderdog]

depends. hamed has a chance against the pac who faced MAB four years ago because back then, pac tended to overely on his left and a fighter who will not back down will be a threat to pac. i also think the pac then would be thrown out of his gameplan by the anitcs of hamed.

but against pac today, not a snowball's chance in hell. so prime for prime, pac takes it

[Jbuz]

Pacman by KO.

HIGHLY unlikely.

Pac UD for me.

[chimba]

Where is Hamed ranked among the ATG's???? nowhere close!! Hes a notch below the real elites..and MAB showed him ..quit sucking his cock...he is almost forgotten as it is..

And btw, I grew up in Flushing Queens NY, Kelley is the Media darling in NY..hes the lunch pail fighter everyone is rooting for..a feel good story...

In reality hes a funny guy..no one ..I mean no one from Michael Katz to Lupica picked Kelley...He was a sacrificail lamb..As a matter of fact it was Hamed whos everyones hailing.."The Prince is here"

But a funny thing happened.. he made Hamed look like a fool!!! And I wished to this day that Kelley would have been just a little better of a fighter.. he would have ended Naz there at MSG...instead MAB had to do that job...

Fuck shit you guys know about Hamed... Kelley brawled him and almost ended his ass (talk about styles making fights) ..and I already told you about kelley

[BoppaZoo]

Pacquiao wins this for me.

Hamed would more than likely not be able to handle Pacs pressure or Left.

When it comes to big time fights Pacman always steps it up as where Hamed folded against Barerra.

[Carlos Primera]

Im thinking the same thing, that if it became a war and power shots were exchanged that Pac would come out on top.
Hamed could try to run and outbox him, but we know his ego would get in the way and hed try to brawl with him.
Weve seen Hamed get dropped by alot less powerful punchers than Pac.
:good agreed. i've been saying this since this thread popped up 2 months ago. people picking hamed to ko pac coming in like to think that hamed landing first is always a given. imo it's definitely who lands clean first. pac is an awkward fighter him self who has got very fast hands and a very good punch @126. i can easily see pac landing his left first, as these fools who easily see hamed catching pac coming in. pac is also the best finisher in the game right now, if he's got you down he'll go hell and high water to make sure you stay down. 50/50 fight at best, but i lean towards pacman.

[DobyZhee]

Hamed had the better ring entrances and better dance moves.

[thai-hardhitter972]

I'd Pick Hamed, He was extreamly quick and powerful and he could also BOX, its hard to land a full force punch on him because hes always moving his body even though he has his hand laying all over the place , I can see Pac coming in trying to land some bombs on the quick footed Naz, and getting caught as Naz moves backward as he create angles....thats one thing I like about Naz is that he knows how to create angle and find open shots. Im a big fan of PAC ,but he was shooken up by MAB , MORALES , JJM , no doulbt Hamed would KO him.

[Jbuz]

Totally off topic... I just dont wanna start a new thread..

Can someone tell me the name of the song in this clip, the song starts at about 0:50.

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[Jbuz]

Cancel that I got it. Requiem for a dream.

[rydersonthestorm]

It all depends on how the fight goes, if pacman decides to box naz he easily beats him, if he tries to slug it out with him he is getting kncoked the fuck out. People tend to forget that mab beat naz by changing style and boxing him because he new he would get startched if he went inot a trading war with hamed.

[JediPimp007]

looking at the replies you'd think Hamed would be winning the poll... I guess Pac just has more fans ;) lol

For me it would be Hamed by KO. I don't understand where all this crap about Hamed's chin is coming from as I only ever saw him hurt once, but even then he KO'd his oponent in the next round and has great recovery powers. Sure he went down a bit, but look at the way he throws his punches ffs lol

[Jbuz]

looking at the replies you'd think Hamed would be winning the poll... I guess Pac just has more fans ;) lol

For me it would be Hamed by KO. I don't understand where all this crap about Hamed's chin is coming from as I only ever saw him hurt once, but even then he KO'd his oponent in the next round and has great recovery powers. Sure he went down a bit, but look at the way he throws his punches ffs lol

Yep. Hamed had a fantastic chin.. just terrible balance.

Pacquiao takes this one, but there is no KO.

[Sinew]

Pac's straighter punches does the deed, me thinks.

[Outboxer]

For all the silly people who have only seen Hamed in the Barrera or Kelley fight, take the time to see him at his best --

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As for this fight...well, it's hard to call. I can definitely see Pacman decking Hamed, and more than once due to those arrow-like straight shots that he loves to throw, especially the left hand. However, I honestly think that (out of the two) Hamed was a bigger puncher, especially in single shots. I rarely saw Hamed hurt either -- even when he was decked it was normally because of how his style left him off balance (swaying/leaning away from punches from the waist) and so even getting clipped from that position will definitely put you down. Hamed was never knocked out, and has never appeared to be even close to being hurt enough to be knocked out -- Pacman, on the other hand, has been on more than one occasion. There's also the fact that they're both fighting from the southpaw stance, which always throws things off balance a bit. In terms of speed, I give it to Pacman. Hamed was fast, but Pac is like lightning.

Overall, I see Hamed taking a KO win after having to get up from the deck numerous times. Like others have said, the clashing styles here will make this fight -- Pacman doesn't have the boxing finesse to do a 'Barrera' on Hamed, and I believe that without doing that, he loses.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[puga_ni_nana]

Barrera and Pacquiao have two different styles. Barrera boxed Hamed behind an effective left jab and moved side to side. Can you possibly imagine Pac changing his style, getting up on his toes and developing a great right jab and boxing / using the ring like Barrera did?

No WAY you're going to beat Hamed coming straight in like that.

i was browsing this old thread and guess what? :D

[boxbox]

yeah..he did change a lot..i remember this thread... you did some hard digging there! lolz

[puga_ni_nana]

yeah..he did change a lot..i remember this thread... you did some hard digging there! lolz

it just happens that some newbie made a new thread like this and someone was kind enough to link this old thread to him.

maybe a few here who once voted for hamed will now change their mind after they saw that pacquiao can really box if he really needs to.

[boxbox]

it just happens that some newbie made a new thread like this and someone was kind enough to link this old thread to him.

maybe a few here who once voted for hamed will now change their mind after they saw that pacquiao can really box if he really needs to.

i doubt, haters will always be haters.. they'll say even if Pac changed his style, Hamed would still knock him out... but this one sure did eliminate one of their arguments:yep! Pac was not a one dimensional fighter ever since, he just didnt need to box before.

[puga_ni_nana]

i doubt, haters will always be haters.. they'll say even if Pac changed his style, Hamed would still knock him out... but this one sure did eliminate one of their arguments:yep! Pac was not a one dimensional fighter ever since, he just didnt need to box before.

i'm not asking the haters. they have made up their mind on this one. i'm just asking the new opinions of those who picked hamed because of the argument that pacquiao fight's only one way and his style is tailor-made for hamed (an argument prior to pacquiao-barrera rematch).

[ThePlugInBabies]

my opinion is still hamed by stoppage. out 'boxing' a washed up version of barrera who was not interested in exchanging does nothing to change my mind. when he out boxes JMM then come back to me.

[puga_ni_nana]

my opinion is still hamed by stoppage. out 'boxing' a washed up version of barrera who was not interested in exchanging does nothing to change my mind. when he out boxes JMM then come back to me.

but this "washed up barrera" did have a close fight with marquez. i am guessing that when the rematch with marquez comes, he will employ the same tactic he used for the barrera rematch. a little boring pacquiao but a more wiser boxer.

[ThePlugInBabies]

if he tries to outbox JMM he will lose, period. i haven't seen JMM's match from the weekend but i did hear he was getting tagged a little too much, so PAC should employ his usual gameplan and ktfo marquez.

[puga_ni_nana]

if he tries to outbox JMM he will lose, period. i haven't seen JMM's match from the weekend but i did hear he was getting tagged a little too much, so PAC should employ his usual gameplan and ktfo marquez.

he can outbox marquez by moving in and out just like what he did with barrera. its a little harder because of marquez superb counter-punching skills but pacquiao could use his speed to his advantage.

yeah, pacquiao could try to blitz marquez again but i doubt he will do it this time. imo, he have matured tremendously and he can see now that he can win fights not only by brute force but also by ring generalship.

marquez was tagged by juarez but not as much as you are thinking. for every one punch that juarez connects, 2 or 3 punches were returned. it was really a one-sided beating.

[Strangely Brown]

Hamed by KO. While he had some deficiencies I see him catching and finishing Manny fairly early - and his power at that weight was just freakish.

[Holmes' Jab]

Naz would starch him. Stylistically this matchup is all wrong for Pacquaio.


Hamed KO5 Pacquaio

[puga_ni_nana]

Naz would starch him. Stylistically this matchup is all wrong for Pacquaio.


Hamed KO5 Pacquaio


care to explain why stylistically this is all wrong for pacquiao?

[Holmes' Jab]

Do you really envisage Pacquiao's kamikaze style working in his favour against a slick, unorthadox counterpuncher (and heavy hitter) like Hamed? I don't.


Manny would move straight in and would be picked appart in doing so. Style wise he's made to order for Hamed.

[puga_ni_nana]

Do you really envisage Pacquiao's kamikaze style working in his favour against a slick, unorthadox counterpuncher (and heavy hitter) like Hamed? I don't.


Manny would move straight in and would be destoyed in doing so. Style wise he's made to order for Hamed.

when was the last time you watched pacquiao? haven't you watched his rematch with barrera?

your argument is good, two months ago. but now, i don't see this stylistic problem for pacquiao anymore.

[rydersonthestorm]

Come on mab was pretty shot in that rematch, i like pac and think he is a better fighter than naz but i think naz would ko him. For all naz's problems he was very quick and is possibly the hardest puncher ever at featherweight, if he tags pacman with a couple of his bigges shots he's getting koed.

[ThePlugInBabies]

when was the last time you watched pacquiao? haven't you watched his rematch with barrera?

your argument is good, two months ago. but now, i don't see this stylistic problem for pacquiao anymore.

fucking hell. that version of MAB was nothing special, he showed very little fight in there, and looked like he had only turned up for the paycheck.

that win means very little, especially compared to pac's first win over barrera.

do you honestly think pac could go in with those tactics against a prime barrera and come out on top?

[puga_ni_nana]

Come on mab was pretty shot in that rematch, i like pac and think he is a better fighter than naz but i think naz would ko him. For all naz's problems he was very quick and is possibly the hardest puncher ever at featherweight, if he tags pacman with a couple of his bigges shots he's getting koed.

"shot" is a very abused word when describing boxers that pacquiao fought. i wouldn't be surprised if marquez will be labelled "shot" if he losses to pacquiao on a rematch.

going back to the topic, i agree that pacquiao's one-dimensional style is a problem when fighting hamed. that is why previously, i am giving hamed an almost equal chance to beat pacquiao even if, as we all agree, pacquiao is the greater fighter of the two. but after seeing the way he fights against a defensive barrera, a pacquiao who picks his shot and doesn't rush in compulsively, i think hamed will have a lesser chance of stopping or beating pacquiao.

[rydersonthestorm]

To be fair mab was well past his best and marquez is still giving beatdowns to other contenders so he is far from shot.

[puga_ni_nana]

fucking hell. that version of MAB was nothing special, he showed very little fight in there, and looked like he had only turned up for the paycheck.

that win means very little, especially compared to pac's first win over barrera.

do you honestly think pac could go in with those tactics against a prime barrera and come out on top?

that version of barrera was still in the game until round 8 of that fight.

if pac knew how to fight that way before, i think he can employ those tactics and still come up winning because of his speed advantage. but if a "matured" pacquiao knows that he is tagging a barrera who is not running, he will more likely go for the kill, just like the way it happens during the first match.

[puga_ni_nana]

To be fair mab was well past his best and marquez is still giving beatdowns to other contenders so he is far from shot.

i agree. but that barrera was still dangerous and could still upset pacquiao if pacquiao played into barrera's game of cat and mouse.

[ThePlugInBabies]

that version of barrera was still in the game until round 8 of that fight.

this was because we saw an under par pacman on the night.

[puga_ni_nana]

this was because we saw an under par pacman on the night.

those who were used to seeing pacquiao steamrolling his opponents will think of it this way. but for me, seeing him change his style according to his opponents fight-plan (or flight-plan in barrera's case), is a huge improvement in his game.

[SugarShane_24]

Facts:

1. Pac is not 100% when he faced MAB. Amounting to only 7 weeks in training. ThePlug is correct in saying Pac is subpar.

2. MAB chose to move more than deliver using every bit of experience he has acquired thereby avoiding a KO defeat ending his career in a positive light.

Lastly,

3. Pac really is evolving from a slugger to a smart boxer-puncher. His last fight is not a coincidence. Puga is correct here. But you have to admit Pac's lack of conditioning surely did help his cause.


Both of you are correct in your own points of view.

[rydersonthestorm]

He might evolve into a smart boxer puncher but at the moment he is still a slugger the majority of the time and that doesn't work against naz.

[puga_ni_nana]

He might evolve into a smart boxer puncher but at the moment he is still a slugger the majority of the time and that doesn't work against naz.

he can certainly box now. if you have the time, please see his last match.

and i am only working on one side of the equation here. seeing the overwhelming reason for those who pick hamed is that pacquiao only fights one way.

[rydersonthestorm]

I have seen it and outboxing an old mab doesn't make me think he has become a smart boxer puncher yet.

[puga_ni_nana]

I have seen it and outboxing an old mab doesn't make me think he has become a smart boxer puncher yet.

did you see how barrera wants pacquiao to come in so that he can unleash his combinations and counters? pacquiao was smart enough not to play into this trick. he just picks his shot, using right jab and darting in and out once he connected.

but since barrera is too old for you, none of this matters and pacquiao is still a slugger in your eyes. lets just wait for his next fight. :good

[rydersonthestorm]

If he fight's jmm and outboxes him that will change my mind :)

[puga_ni_nana]

If he fight's jmm and outboxes him that will change my mind :)

fair enough! :yep

[pejevan]

Come on mab was pretty shot in that rematch, i like pac and think he is a better fighter than naz but i think naz would ko him. For all naz's problems he was very quick and is possibly the hardest puncher ever at featherweight, if he tags pacman with a couple of his bigges shots he's getting koed.

naz is small and he had been koing opponents smaller than he is (similar to Darchinyan). at 5'3'', MAB is even bigger than him (just look at youtube).

Just because he was able to KO his opponents that he can KO pac. Pac is way bigger than Naz, probably punches stronger than Naz. If Pac can Manhandle MAB when MAB was 29 years old, what made you think that he can not do it against Naz. Naz is unorthodox, but so is Pac. Naz unorthodoxness (if there is such a word) is entirely different in that he contorts his upper torso either by leaning backward, sidewards or forward (similar to Guzman but with power) to avoid punches then lunges forward. It can be timed. On the other hand, PAc has this dart in and out style.

It would probably boil down to size difference. Naz is way too small at 130. At 126, it would be a 50/50 depending on who would be able to connect first. At 122, pac is a monster at that weight. I would favor pac 60:40.

[Jbuz]

I'm sick of these threads! Pac floors him 4 times on his way to winning a wide UD. Hamed wouldn't be hurt IMO, but he would be floored plenty with his lack of balance and Pac's aggressive powerful style.

[Sister Sledge]

Pac has too much machismo and take way to much punishment to ever win a shootout with Hamed. Naz would get hit, and probalbly go down. But he would adjust his style so that he wouldn't get bombed so much. I can say the same for Pac, who would get brutally koed in a classic shootout.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Pac is way bigger than Naz, probably punches stronger than Naz.

:lol:

[Morrissey]

can you still vote?:blood

[psychopath]

Both are very capable of beating each other . . . so I voted for the third option.

[reed_man02]

Its no surprise pacman won the poll. There are a lot of idiot pac fans here.:deal

[Morrissey]

Its no surprise pacman won the poll. There are a lot of idiot pac fans here.:deal

as well as haters..:yep

I am acually surprised that many picked Hamed. Was expecting more on the draw option.

[reed_man02]

as well as haters..:yep

I am acually surprised that many picked Hamed. Was expecting more on the draw option.

I actually dont know of any pac haters. I dont see how anyone can hate pac. Hes humble and exciting. You know as well as I do of all the pac nuthuggers on this site. I cant see how anyone can pick a fighters with no defense to beat a fighters who has a good chin and can crack moreso than anyone in the history of that weight divison.:deal

[Morrissey]

I actually dont know of any pac haters. I dont see how anyone can hate pac. Hes humble and exciting. You know as well as I do of all the pac nuthuggers on this site. I cant see how anyone can pick a fighters with no defense to beat a fighters who has a good chin and can crack moreso than anyone in the history of that weight divison.:deal

I'd say the haters are whose who hate the boxer's fans who think he is unbeatable. Not exactly the boxer. So, they jst want to see that boxer loses, so his mentally-deranged fans who think he is God will shut up for once. :yep YOu know very well there are posters who are in that league.

This is a a very close, interesting match-up, and I even picked Hamed in the end, though Pac can definitely close this one with his own brand of combo.

The poll can also indicate that many fans here believe Hamed is just an overrated clown with mosnter power who could not rise to an elite level.:D

[PH|LLA]

I actually dont know of any pac haters. I dont see how anyone can hate pac. Hes humble and exciting. You know as well as I do of all the pac nuthuggers on this site. I cant see how anyone can pick a fighters with no defense to beat a fighters who has a good chin and can crack moreso than anyone in the history of that weight divison.:deal
there's ALOT of Pac haters on this site. They claim that they are objective in their analysis but they are not. They are the ones who think prime Morales beats Pacquiao at least 9 times out of 10, and that JMM completely schooled Pacquiao over 11 rounds.

[Quik]

there's ALOT of Pac haters on this site. They claim that they are objective in their analysis but they are not. They are the ones who think prime Morales beats Pacquiao at least 9 times out of 10, and that JMM completely schooled Pacquiao over 11 rounds.

Pac haters are just ppl that hate Pac nuthuggers and hate pac because of his delusional fans.

PS I was watching yesterday's FNF on RDS :D

[PH|LLA]

bump

[psychopath]

The sad fact is we can't really settle this once and for all . . . because the fight won't ever happen. :D

All we can get is the number of who picks who. :yep

[jupzrooni]

he can certainly box now. if you have the time, please see his last match.

and i am only working on one side of the equation here. seeing the overwhelming reason for those who pick hamed is that pacquiao only fights one way.


when he fought oscar larios, he was throwing combinations on different angles and showed some lateral movement which proved that he really was evolving from a come-forward slugger to a multi-dimensional boxer (although some may argue because larios is slow and was an easy target for pac)

i was really convinced that he could really box after watching pac-mab 2..

with the right game plan provided by roach and pac's patience.. he can even decision naseem hamed if he wants to..


pac by ko or ud

[elTerrible]

hammed

if they would have fought back when hammed was at 122, hammed was the more experienced fighter of the two

[monjay]

Hi people!

My first post!

Speed and power kills!

It's Pacquiao!

[kartog]

Hi people!

My first post!

Speed and power kills!

It's Pacquiao!

good for you noob..:yep

:good

[Morrissey]

The sad fact is we can't really settle this once and for all . . . because the fight won't ever happen. :D

All we can get is the number of who picks who. :yep

and i think it is Pacquaio.

another sad fact is, we can no longer vote here.:oops:

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[Morrissey]

Pac by KO

Amen.

[Dude]

Hi people!

My first post!

Speed and power kills!

It's Pacquiao!

Any more excited you might risk a hearttack.




Pac wins in an exciting fight.

[knockout]

Pac because he can put together killer combos when Hamed throws one punch at a time.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[puga_ni_nana]

and i think it is Pacquaio.

another sad fact is, we can no longer vote here.:oops:

morrissey, you picked hamed when you started this thread several months ago, did you change your pick now?

[wizardguy]

Speed + Power = pacman

I choose Pacman by KO/UD

[kerrminator]

This poll only proves that theres more Pac fans here than Hamed fans (not that shocking when you consider that this is a pro pac site)

[stevebhoy87]

I think naz prime for prime takes this fight, pacman loves to tear it up with people, you just don't want to do that with naz, he had a freak amount of power, you need to box naz at range not slug it out with him in a firefight

[hmi]

I think naz prime for prime takes this fight, pacman loves to tear it up with people, you just don't want to do that with naz, he had a freak amount of power, you need to box naz at range not slug it out with him in a firefight
Let's judge Pacman after his fight with JMM. He is supposed to be in his prime now. Are telling us that Pacman doesn't have the power to stop Hamed with his punch and hence needs to box? Pac himself has a freak amount of power. Just look what happened at the iron-chinned Mexican warriors.

[Carlos Primera]

This poll only proves that theres more Pac fans here than Hamed fans (not that shocking when you consider that this is a pro pac site)
or that maybe a lot of people just think he'd win over hamed.

[Morrissey]

morrissey, you picked hamed when you started this thread several months ago, did you change your pick now?

Honestly, no.:yep

I think Hamed's awkwardness and legendary power on both hands will take Pac's head first before Pac's fast hands find his own target in Hamed.

[bill poster]

Pac and Naz in 2009 at lightweight..

[Morrissey]

Pac and Naz in 2009 at lightweight..

Naz would be lucky to survive the first three rounds then, after seeing Pac ate Diaz for his dinner.:yep

[sitiyzal]

Depends whether it was at & 122 or 126.

[DINAMITA]

I don't mean to be rude, but anyone who thinks any version of Naseem Hamed could beat the best version of Manny Pacquiao knows NOTHING about boxing. I'm not responding on this thread again, this should be fucking obvious. It's laughable to be honest.

[BadJuju83]

I don't mean to be rude, but anyone who thinks any version of Naseem Hamed could beat the best version of Manny Pacquiao knows NOTHING about boxing. I'm not responding on this thread again, this should be fucking obvious. It's laughable to be honest.


If youre saying Pac post 04 with his improving defense,+ all round boxing ability beats a Prime Naz then thats hard to argue with, But a pre 04 pac would be in a hell of a lot of trouble with prime naz, if pac engaged him in a brawl coming straight at naz, Bad Bad news.

To write ANY version of Naz wouldnt beat the BEST version of Pac may be true, but ANY version of Pac may not beat the BEST version of Naz.

[Morrissey]

If youre saying Pac post 04 with his improving defense,+ all round boxing ability beats a Prime Naz then thats hard to argue with, But a pre 04 pac would be in a hell of a lot of trouble with prime naz, if pac engaged him in a brawl coming straight at naz, Bad Bad news.

To write ANY version of Naz wouldnt beat the BEST version of Pac may be true, but ANY version of Pac may not beat the BEST version of Naz.

It is a pick-em fight, and would have been a bad, bad news for either of them.

One thing is for sure, it won't last 12 rounds.

[BadJuju83]

It is a pick-em fight, and would have been a bad, bad news for either of them.

One thing is for sure, it won't last 12 rounds.


Very true. would have been a classic.

[batang kanto]

pac by KO, the thread said prime for prime. prime pac is the more skillfull pac post 2005. that pac would massacre hamed.

pre-2005 pac, the one that got a draw with marquez, its 50/50

[batang kanto]

the best version of hamed will not beat the best version of pac.

[sitiyzal]

I don't mean to be rude, but anyone who thinks any version of Naseem Hamed could beat the best version of Manny Pacquiao knows NOTHING about boxing. I'm not responding on this thread again, this should be fucking obvious. It's laughable to be honest.

Good decision, as you've just shown how embarrassingly biased you are regarding Hamed on the other thread.

[DINAMITA]

Good decision, as you've just shown how embarrassingly biased you are regarding Hamed on the other thread.

I'm not biased at all, I simply think this is a mismatch and that Hamed is very overrated. Is having a strong opinion backed up with reasoning "bias"??

[Carlos Primera]

:bump:yep

[hmm]

hmm says Pac...
Pac looks a lot more stronger and aggressive.. Hamed looks to me like a showboat and his defense uhhh is kinda lacking. Mainly Hamed's d is more of a slickster style but can get caught. Remember the Barrera fight..he just kept hopping around. I don't think Pac would fall for any of Hamed's tricks and physically Pac has the advantage.

[PATSYS]

The only thing to be settled here is if Hamed can hear the final bell or no.

[Addie]

I voted for Hamed at 126lb, which is where this fight would obviously take place if we're talking prime for prime. Both Manny and Hamed got their best respective wins as Featherweights.

Manny Pacquiao, during this time, was not incredible hard to hit. Marquez exposed this, by repeatedly landing the right hand and beating Pacquiao to the punch during their first fight in 2004. Naseem Hamed, for all for his flaws, could punch with some of the hardest hitting 126lb fighters in history, along with Salvador Sanchez and Danny Lopez. He had true one punch power, and I see him hitting the reckless and defensively crude Manny Pacquiao during some point of the bout. It's true, Hamed is just as hittable, if not more so, but he was not facing a one punch knockout artist.

I think a war ensues, where both fighter stake their licks, and despite perhaps having to get off the canvas to do it, Hamed knocks Manny out late in the fight. What a war.

[Rico Spadafora]

Pac would shatter Hamed's Glass Jaw all over the ring.

[Boxing Gloves]

Id favour Naz to win at either Bantam, Super Bantam or Featherweight in his prime years of course, the one that fought Barrera would get beaten convincingly, but Naz in his Ingle years was a different fighter and Pacman wasnt in his prime years at this stage.

[kalunya5964]

at 126, I'd take Hamed. Both guys like to get in firefights but Hamed had the kind of power that kept people down. As explosive as Manny is, he doesn't have that kind of power. Also, Hamed was rarely caught clean. He'd look like a defensive wizard against Pacquiao's 1-2.

Hamed was invincible and indeed looked like a defense wizard against slow fighters but Barrera made him looked silly. IMO, a much faster prime Pac (than Barrera) would brutalized Hamed and KO him within 6 rds. The Pac who stopped Barrera in the first fight would stop him (Hamed) earlier unless he was hit first by Hamed's more powerful shots as Hamed would not need too many of those shots to stop Pac.

[evalistinho]

Pac would shatter Hamed's Glass Jaw all over the ring.

How does Hamed have a glass jaw when hes never been knocked out?

I think you should check chinipedia on that one Rico.

[Flea Man]

Pac was far more open in his 126 days....Naz would be getting battered then catch Pac with a signle shot, hurt him, and finish him.

Anything above FW and not only does Naz look out of place, he loses.

[Flea Man]

How does Hamed have a glass jaw when hes never been knocked out?

I think you should check chinipedia on that one Rico.

He was also never close to being genuinely hurt in his entire career!

He barely got a glove laid on him until late on in his 126 lb career.

[MemoCan]

Hamed

[KingKrish]

Against Barrera, Hamed proved he could not handle intense pressure. Pacquaio would bring the pressure to a boiling point! Pacquaio would not let Hamed breathe & would be scoring with plenty of punches inside. The toll would tell & Hamed should begin to crack around the tenth round. Pacquaio 11 TKO.


Intense pressure U joker.

Barrera didnt put any pressure till the last 2 rounds ROFL

Barrera fooled everyone and counter punched, thats what won him the fight.

His punch output was the lowest it had ever been, he knew he couldnt make a mistake for 1 second or hed be KOD with some wild shit.



BArrera boxed a counterpunching masterclass. If hed pressuered Hamed hed have been KOD without doubt. A pressure fighter doesnt beat Hamed and exceptional counter pucnher does.

Thats why I pick Hamed over Pacman (narrowly) Morales but I think Marquez BArrera beat him. The early version of Barrera gets KOD all day long.

[Carlos Primera]

Pac would shatter Hamed's Glass Jaw all over the ring.
:lol::happy:lol:
YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[carias]

Intense pressure U joker.

Barrera didnt put any pressure till the last 2 rounds ROFL

Barrera fooled everyone and counter punched, thats what won him the fight.

His punch output was the lowest it had ever been, he knew he couldnt make a mistake for 1 second or hed be KOD with some wild shit.



BArrera boxed a counterpunching masterclass. If hed pressuered Hamed hed have been KOD without doubt. A pressure fighter doesnt beat Hamed and exceptional counter pucnher does.

Thats why I pick Hamed over Pacman (narrowly) Morales but I think Marquez BArrera beat him. The early version of Barrera gets KOD all day long.

Morales can counterpunch better than barrera in my opinion.

[Carlos Primera]

Morales can counterpunch better than barrera in my opinion.
i'm a big morales fan, i have his entire career on dvd. but he was more liable to get into a fire fight than barrera, which is why i dont think it's such a stretch to say (as the hamed appologists do) that hamed could score a ko over morales.

[theboy_racer]

peak NAZ wins

[psychopath]

The voting should be over by now . . . so this gets settled in everybodies dreams. :D

. . . there's no way to settle a "dream match" once and for all . . . because unexpected things always happens in the ring.

[elchivito]

122lbs on down hamed would take this in a hard fought battle, in his prime he was just as fast and probably hit harder than pacman. at 126 on up, it's all pacquiao, hamed looked way too flabby and looked like a bloated bantamweight and was starting to get lazy, while pacman was only getting faster, smarter, and stronger

[Babality]

Easy. Pac by KO. Too fast. I would love to see Hamed doing his bullshit vs PAC. He would get put to sleep. Pac is too fast he would catch him, often. Plus he has the power.

PAC by KO.

[bernie4366]

Pac wins most of the time but his style gives Hamed a puncher's chance.

[Morrissey]

Still, IMO, Hamed beats Pac, in a close terrific potential FOTY.

[Gneus7]

Against Barrera, Hamed proved he could not handle intense pressure. Pacquaio would bring the pressure to a boiling point! Pacquaio would not let Hamed breathe & would be scoring with plenty of punches inside.

Thats my view.

[Addie]

Thats my view.

Intense pressure? Barrera was not putting on intense pressure that night. Hamed showed that night he couldn't deal with a smart technician, he'd have a better time with a wide open 126lb Manny Pacquiao, in my opinion.

[Darni187]

By the time Naz faced MAB he had lost his hunger and was done, Naz in his prime was near unstoppable, he used to KO fighters for fun.

Naz would have KO Pacman in 5 rounds, out cold (prime on prime)

[Kush]

By the time Naz faced MAB he had lost his hunger and was done, Naz in his prime was near unstoppable, he used to KO fighters for fun.

Naz would have KO Pacman in 5 rounds, out cold (prime on prime)
:good

[PH|LLA]

i must sound like a broken record but so does ESB sometimes. Pac is fucking underrated.