Fatalities in the ring...

[Russell]

How many fighters have more than one death related to them?

Fitz killed two people in the ring, correct?

Jack Perry seemingly killed two.

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[joe33]

Max baer?,though maybe one cant really 100% be said to be his thought.

[Russell]

Can we get some... originality? :(

[Russell]

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He also killed two men in the ring.

[Sizzle]

Max baer?,though maybe one cant really 100% be said to be his thought.

For the life of me I can't figure out how anyone can attribute Schaafs death to Max Baer.

[Russell]

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No one else interested in two guys with two fights a piece killing both of their opponents?

[hopkinsfan07]

Walter Robinson might of been a good fighter

probly diddent want to kill no more

[mr. magoo]

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He also killed two men in the ring.


That was a pretty interesting find. I've never heard of him before. What's more, it's rather bizarre that in only 2 fights, both of them resulted in fatalities. However, it's likely that he may have had more fights, due to spotty record keeping in those days.

[Russell]

Yeah, I'd agree. The two year gap between those fights makes me think the same.

[Mendoza]

How many fighters have more than one death related to them?

Fitz killed two people in the ring, correct?

Jack Perry seemingly killed two.

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Fitzsimmons took an unusual amount of pleasure unloading on other fighters in the ring. Fitzsimmons combined a great deal of velocity and driving power in his blows. They were not your typical heavy handed blows or snapping shots. They were the type that made indentations when they landed. Historian Nat Fleischer said Fitzsimmons was the best knock out puncher at heavyweight to the head or the body.

A person named Masters who knew Fitzsimons asked Fitzsimmons the secret to his amazing power. Fitzsimons said he developed his hand speed by visualizing he was falling down a water well, with only one chance to grab onto the rope to stop his fall. Fitzsimmons channeled his fear and would dart out with his hands grabbing the imaginary rope with great repetition. The power part of the equation came from Fitzsimmons long and lean whip cord like muscles that were hardened by the driving force of being a black smith.

Fitzsimmons was a genuine life taker. Fitzsimmons killed three men form boxing related injures. Two from scheduled fights, and one from a sparring session.

[Manassa]

Hall of Famer Charles 'Bud' Taylor killed two men in the ring.

[Lex]

Potentially lethal injuries were more likely before the 1930s due to the lighter, thinner gloves. A man with hard hands that didn't need much protection could do serious damage - skull fractures (basal skull fractures are particularly dangerous and can follow a whiplash or side-snapping motion), facial fractures, with resultant brain and spinal cord damage.

The thinner gloves also made defense trickier. Less padding to ward off blows. Winky Wright and PBF would need to adjust their defenses if they had to wear those thin gloves.

Several times a year brief fistfights result in fatalities. The usual report is that only one or two punches were thrown and nobody expected a single punch to kill someone.

I would bet that Fitzsimmons had hard, strong hands.

[Illmatic]

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He also killed two men in the ring.

2 fights and he killed both? Id retire quickly...

(i know boxrec is sometimes inaccurate and missing info)

[Illmatic]

Mancini killed Kim
Griffith killed Paret

Ezzard Charles killed a fighter as well

[Drew101]

Sugar Ramos
More recently, David Gonzalez.

[Russell]

Fitzsimmons took an unusual amount of pleasure unloading on other fighters in the ring. Fitzsimmons combined a great deal of velocity and driving power in his blows. They were not your typical heavy handed blows or snapping shots. They were the type that made indentations when they landed. Historian Nat Fleischer said Fitzsimmons was the best knock out puncher at heavyweight to the head or the body.

A person named Masters who knew Fitzsimons asked Fitzsimmons the secret to his amazing power. Fitzsimons said he developed his hand speed by visualizing he was falling down a water well, with only one chance to grab onto the rope to stop his fall. Fitzsimmons channeled his fear and would dart out with his hands grabbing the imaginary rope with great repetition. The power part of the equation came from Fitzsimmons long and lean whip cord like muscles that were hardened by the driving force of being a black smith.

Fitzsimmons was a genuine life taker. Fitzsimmons killed three men form boxing related injures. Two from scheduled fights, and one from a sparring session.

That's... terrifying stuff.

[young griffo]

Aussie light/jnr welterweight contender Hector Thompson sadly had two opponents die after being stopped by him. Roko Spanja and Chuck Wilburn both died after 10th round stoppages against Thompson (I say their names as both men are forgotten these days and deserve to be remembered).

Thompson (who gave Duran and Cervantes decent tussles) wasn't a thunderous puncher like Fitzsimmons or Baer but rather a solid accumulation puncher who wore opponents down with a steady,withering attack.These sort of punchers are more likely to be involved in fights ending with serious injuries than your one punch KO artists.

[Meast]

Aussie light/jnr welterweight contender Hector Thompson sadly had two opponents die after being stopped by him.

Beat me to it. Thompson was a tough fighter who never stopped coming forward, his fight with Duran is one of my favorites.

[anarci]

David Gonzalez a contender from Houston,Tx who fought from Lightweight to Junior middle killed two fighters in the ring Rico Velasquez of Baldwin Park,Ca and Robert Wangila of Kenya.

The only fighter i know of to kill 2 fighters in the ring.

[young griffo]

Beat me to it. Thompson was a tough fighter who never stopped coming forward, his fight with Duran is one of my favorites.
He did pretty well Hector didn't he?

Duran whilst not at his peak still oozed talent yet Thompson landed some very solid punches and really made Duran earn it.But Duran's power and supreme ability proved too much for Thompson eventually.

I read that Duran rated this as one of his toughest title defenses and I've heard that Duran collapsed in his dressing room and was pissing blood after it (don't know how true that is though).

[Meast]

He did pretty well Hector didn't he?

Duran whilst not at his peak still oozed talent yet Thompson landed some very solid punches and really made Duran earn it.But Duran's power and supreme ability proved too much for Thompson eventually.

I read that Duran rated this as one of his toughest title defenses and I've heard that Duran collapsed in his dressing room and was pissing blood after it (don't know how true that is though).


Yeah Hector put up a good fight, he just kept coming forward which is something most fighters wouldn't dare do against Duran.

I read that he spoke highly of Hector even a few fights later when asked how a fighter he'd just beaten compared to him.

[Dave's Top Ten]

Potentially lethal injuries were more likely before the 1930s due to the lighter, thinner gloves. A man with hard hands that didn't need much protection could do serious damage - skull fractures (basal skull fractures are particularly dangerous and can follow a whiplash or side-snapping motion), facial fractures, with resultant brain and spinal cord damage.

The thinner gloves also made defense trickier. Less padding to ward off blows. Winky Wright and PBF would need to adjust their defenses if they had to wear those thin gloves.

Several times a year brief fistfights result in fatalities. The usual report is that only one or two punches were thrown and nobody expected a single punch to kill someone.

I would bet that Fitzsimmons had hard, strong hands.

Interesting points, but if it's true regarding the thinner gloves we would expect to see many fatalities in the UFC. Defenders of MMA claim the gloves are part of the reason for the LACK of fatalities.

Also, from what I have read, the fatalities from a street fight are usually the result of the back of the head hitting a hard surface when the victim falls after being hit.

[Flea Man]

Davila killed someone and he wasn't a puncher by any means.

In terms of people that have killed more than one I think it's already been covered.

[Flea Man]

Interesting points, but if it's true regarding the thinner gloves we would expect to see many fatalities in the UFC. Defenders of MMA claim the gloves are part of the reason for the LACK of fatalities.

Also, from what I have read, the fatalities from a street fight are usually the result of the back of the head hitting a hard surface when the victim falls after being hit.

If boxers worse those gloves they'd kill people. They have better punching form, whereas UFC fighters are primarily jack of all trades (master of none) or people not good enough to box.

In my opinion.

[GPater11093]

Was just reading about ring deaths earlier and they really are terrible and the effect on the other man must be so great but the bravery and courage the defeated men show is unbelievable.

In the 12th round of his bout with Pintor, Johnny Owen told the referee "i'm alright Sir i can carry on."

The courage he showed in that bout is simply amazing, all fallen fighters proved they had the ultimate courage.

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If boxers worse those gloves they'd kill people. They have better punching form, whereas UFC fighters are primarily jack of all trades (master of none) or people not good enough to box.

In my opinion.


Well, the argument is that the result would be quicker stoppages. Proponents of MMA reckon that fewer punches to the head, because of shorter fights, result in fewer fatalities and less brain damage. Time will tell, but no fatalities in UFC so far makes the argument compelling.

Believe it or not, and I have no specific dates or issue numbers to refer to, but this debate came up years ago in KO Magazine (I believe, may have been Ring) and Angelo Dundee apparently made the same suggestion - that smaller gloves (or NO gloves) would result in fewer tragedies. Gloves have the effect of prolonging a bout, and many argue that the longer the fight goes on, and the more punshment that's dished out, the greater the chances are of damage to the brain.

[anarci]

Davila killed someone and he wasn't a puncher by any means.

In terms of people that have killed more than one I think it's already been covered. That fighter was Kiko Bejines who was a very exciting and popular fighter on the West Coast.

[Flea Man]

That fighter was Kiko Bejines who was a very exciting and popular fighter on the West Coast.

:good

[TBooze]

Was just reading about ring deaths earlier and they really are terrible and the effect on the other man must be so great but the bravery and courage the defeated men show is unbelievable.

In the 12th round of his bout with Pintor, Johnny Owen told the referee "i'm alright Sir i can carry on."

The courage he showed in that bout is simply amazing, all fallen fighters proved they had the ultimate courage.

What was so heartbreaking about the Owen story was his innocence, and his dedication to the sport.

[GPater11093]

What was so heartbreaking about the Owen story was his innocence, and his dedication to the sport.

It is, just that quote he said to the referee just shows his courage and desire

[Maxmomer]

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No one else interested in two guys with two fights a piece killing both of their opponents?

Walter Robinson must have been a badass.

[China_hand_Joe]

Here is a large list of in ring deaths, with reports:

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on Robinson:

Fresno Weekly Republican, May 19 1904; Los Angeles Times, May 15, 1904. The overmatched Bryant was practically unconscious on his feet during the ninth round. His corner threw in the towel, but he was still hit one last time. He collapsed to the floor and he died soon afterward. The coroner subsequently ruled that Bryant died from cerebral hemorrhage. Robinson was black and the writer for the Weekly Republican was aghast at the thought of a “grinning Negro” killing a white man.


and

Here he is mentioned in an artical about another fighter - Robinson lost
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also on his opponent "His favorite training method was running 10 miles on the railroad ties to sharpen his eyes and coordination." lol

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